Is it perfect pitch if I can hear a note and recognize it from something else? I'm a total beginner, so my ear isn't very trained. But I'm training intervals, and I hear what turns out to be an F#, and recognize that as the intro to Scriabin's Fantasia in B minor. Does this mean I have perfect pitch, or is it just from hearing that piece in particular many times?
Thats called relative pitch and honestly perfect pitch is over rated.
For me its the G note at the start of the Black Parade. I don't even particularly like the song but its so iconic that I use it for sounding out the other notes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRKJiM9Njr8
>>129834893So this is normal? Why do people say perfect pitch can't be trained then?
>>129834916because that's not perfect pitch
>>129834929If you can remember a single note, then you should be able to tell what any given note is, right?
That's not perfect pitch since it's only one note. Intervals are what relative pitch is all about, which is super useful and actually has a lot of applications.Btw I don't have perfect pitch but I've memorized what Enter Sandman's opening E sounds like and use that to tune my guitar to standard.
>>129834916I think its pretty normal, most people can recognize the song just from the note/piano. I think it "can't be trained" in the sense that you are just memorizing the notes rather than it coming naturally what note is being pressed but the difference is kind of blurry. I haven't found a case where its even that useful to be able to tell what note is being played. Knowing intervals is more important
>>129834839If you can hear a pitch and know it's higher or lower than another, that's relative pitch If you can hear a pitch and know exactly what note that's perfect pitch
>>129834939yes, you know it based on the relative position to other notes, thats why its called relative pitch. Its a skill that can be trained as well
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>>129834874So what's even the difference? Just how long it takes you to name the note?
You don't have it and will never get it, and people trying to sell you shit are just that.
>>129834839>Is it perfect pitch if I can hear a note and recognize it from something else?well that's how it starts with people but you need musical training to eventually know if you have it or not.
>>129837670Well yeah, I'm going to train my ear every day. I'm just wondering if that's a normal thing, and if so how it's even distinct from perfect pitch.
>>129834991>you know it based on the relative position to other notesSeems like you need to work on your reading comprehension. OP said he recognizes the note from Scriabin's Fantasia in B minor. There are no relative notes; it just is based on his memory of that piece.>>129837682Might be normal. For me, it's G because of Rachmaninoff's prelude in G minor. I'm sure there are others, but that's the one that imprinted on my soul.
>>129837764So does this mean most people have perfect pitch?
>>129837682I dunno, I remember watching an old Rick Beato video on his son having perfect pitch and he knew he had it because he's recognize a note by some famous song's opening note and I don't think he had any musical training at that point yet.
>>129837813no it's rare to have it and you can't learn it no matter how much musical training you get.
>>129837864If you can remember a piece's opening note then can't you work out any note?
>>129837764ok but if it was played up or down an octave he probably wouldn’t recognize it and if he can’t do that for all the notes he doesn’t have perfect pitch
>>129837894I guess if you know intervals. That's not perfect pitch though, that's relative pitch. Just because you recognize an opening note doesn't mean you'll recognize it in different octaves or sounds.
>>129837934I mean anyone can learn to recognize octaves and notes on different instruments, no?
>>129837943you would think so but no, I guess not. I'm not an expert musican myself but I just know that you can't learn perfect pitch. Beato says he was a music professor and knew lots of other professors as well and he's never heard of anyone 'learning' perfect pitch during their studies, and these guys play music 8 hours a day for 4 years in college.
>>129837988I mean someone can definitely learn to recognize octaves and notes on different instruments
>>129838000I guess, but I don't know where you draw the line between recognizing notes and perfect pitch. Maybe someone who is very proficient at music can chime in and explain.
>>129837943I’ve been playing bass for 4 years, I can learn anything by ear …on bass. once the timbre changes too much it’s hard for me to recognize the notes. I didn’t grow up with music, I only started playing at 30. some people genuinely have amusia and are tone deaf
>>129838022I'm sure as hell not. My relative pitch sucks.
>>129838023I imagine if you trained on piano it'd take you a lot less time to get a good piano ear than someone starting from scratch.
>>129838022perfect pitch basically means you can hear any note in any register from any instrument even sine waves and tell what it is. you can even pick out all the notes of a chord. It’s like learning colors but they also typically see it as the note itself, say you play a Cmaj7 they typically wouldn’t say oh that’s a Cmaj7 because you’ve heard one before they would literally be hearing the C E G and B individually. also all documented cases of perfect pitch that I am aware of, that person became deeply involved with music as a child. most people believe you can only develop perfect pitch if you start in childhood.
>>129837813No, I wouldn't consider knowing a couple notes 'perfect pitch.'>>129837903I can't imagine getting thrown off by an octave, but I agree that not being able to do that for all notes means it's not perfect pitch.Different instruments with different harmonics fucks me up more than different octaves.
>>129838052Is it any meaningfully different to say recognize the C root note and simultaneously hear a major seventh chord though?
>>129838034it would, all the intervals carry over plus the music theory. but most if not all perfect pitch tests are blind. meaning you hear the note with zero other context and it’s typically not in any familiar timbre. I know where the notes are on a bass when I hear a bassline but I score less than 15% on perfect pitch test
>>129838080Do you train for perfect pitch at all or not?
>>129838088I tried for two weeks and made very little progress. I scaled it back to just three notes that were at least a step apart and scored 30% but showed no signs of progress. >>129838069functionally, no. as a musician if you can identify what key you’re in, that’s all you need to be successful.
>>129838108Well this is interesting. I tried a perfect pitch test and got every F# and none of the others. Weird.
>>129838117that’s funny. I’m sure you could use that to develop very accurate relative pitch
