Vierne editionhttps://youtu.be/wjNJ_KaabFcThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129835356
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOovs9lGj7Q
Harmony is the simultaneous sounding of two or more notesCounterpoint is the relationship of two or more simultaneous musical linesMusical lines are made of notesTwo or more musical lines, made of notes, constitute harmonyTheir relationship therefore is inherently harmonicCounterpoint therefore is a form of harmonyq.e.d.
>>129848228yes very niceI'm sure it could make a good thesis and the board of dismantler phenotypes would all clap
>>129848228This is the post the>mental illnessposter ought to be quoting and pointing out.
>>129848246>>129848260>still mad about being demonstrably wronglol, lmao even
best Brahms Double Concerto?
>>129848612he only wrote one
>>129848612https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq-KYQslnxM
>>129848228we know but why are posting this
>>129848612disregard any other replyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGvpLj0BlV0
>>129848612Heifetz/Feuermann/Ormandy (old mono)Milstein/Piatigorsky/Reiner (better mono)Kaplan/Geringas/Gielen (stereo)Everything else is over 30 minutes and therefore cringe.>>129848631Absolute fucking dogshit
>>129848634Suck my syphilitic dick, wench
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2qmECLxnCY
>>129848625>>129848634>hiss shitI'm going to assume anyone who tries to make others listen to hissfests wears diapers.
>>129848228very good but there are at least three others:1. functions(deals with finding the underlying functions or root progression when moving from one set of tones to another.) 2. set theory3. part-writingthis one appears to be the most closely related to counterpoint but there are some important differences, chiefly the fact that it starts with chords and it is concerned with how to connect one chord to another.
>>129848719Keep listening to mid then, not my problem
>>129848626>NO, Urofl, roflmao even
>>129848745Can you run that by me again after you've changed your diapie
>>129848796Poor guy has been listening to shit for so long all he can think of are poop insults
>>129848816Bold of a hissfest enjoyer to excuse others of having been deafened into stupidity
>>129848612I'd say the usual recommended reference recording is Szell/Oistrakh/Rostropovichhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et1zSwsXubEthough of course I gotta said with the K-God, with Karajan/Mutter/Meneseshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HXGtVVBexMCan't go wrong with either, and there are some other good ones with great performers (Walter/Fournier, Abbado/YoYoMa/Stern, Ormandy/Rose/Stern, Chung/Capucon/Capucon, Barenboim/Perlman/YoYoMa, Chailly/Repin/Mork), but these two should more than satisfy.
>>129849117>Szell
who is locked the fuck in for holy week music?? tell me cool shit ur singing/playing.
>>129849223I'm singing the abramite schizo song
>>129849223The new Pichon Bach release!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFwVHq_j4Us&list=OLAK5uy_knFZeu6J3JD9k3hHzlMsMxmpO0Pfzz2xU&index=1then tonight, let's get holyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkj2zcCwnSA&list=OLAK5uy_nCVsk37Wd2hB7-rDBlvr7bhzD3LP9DNGk&index=6:D
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HPmy0pb5WU
>>129848752literal nonsense reply
>Type in "FF Chops" >Invalid captchawtf
Hello I didn't know this thread existed. I'm new here my favorites are Wagner, Stockhausen, Ligeti and Xenakis
>>129851232Xenakis mogs the others
>>129851232>Stockhausen, Ligeti and Xenakis>>129851163I though you were meming but I just got the weirdest captcha question I've ever seen "which flag is the rarest on /int/" - tf? How should I know? They should just drop this captcha nonsense, AI can bypass everything.
>>129851232>Stockhausen, Ligeti and Xenakisbut why
>>129851268no one thinks this
Happy April /classics/, going to start the month with this piece. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV8e_RkpiNA
>>129849223https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoG-GueZo1khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6F7wMWNLGMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzkjK-ZHA1Iholy hiss week
>Rossini—Il barbiere di SivigliaProbably great entertainment if you see it live, but just shy of standing on its musical merits alone. The Figaro arias were fun.
>>129851483That one's probably the most musically worthwhile of his works. For me, at least.
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Just found out there is a regional performance of St Matthews Passion going on but I already bought movie tickets to see Project Hail Mary. Oh well, Bach was a STEMchad anyway and Im sure he would understand
>>129851446not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>129851793Deep Purple are honorary Classical. Also its probably time to retire your stale cliché spam
>>129851814Its a bot, no one is pathetic enough to spam the same thing this many times.
>>129851814not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
feels like a Siegfried -> Tannhauser -> Tristan und Isolde DayThe first Act of Siegfried is very enjoyable to watch but it's kinda meh to listen to.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCtvMKFa6_A&list=OLAK5uy_kW-alwDLnzRkqd1RpatnS1mipjGU52je0&index=35
>>129851851>click link>over the top opera shit singingyeah im going to skip this one.
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pD0b59Sw3U&list=OLAK5uy_mubCqTIAmfVJd3UbhLgB27L1b7eR79hOc&index=9
>>129851881:(I've quite enjoyed this Ring cycle so far. It's a very understated, dare I say even English approach to the interpretation and performance.
>>129851881perhaps you'd preferhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A6cjmoYBuU&list=OLAK5uy_nNH_GLm3_EC3hqAbi19cm4HaxbFUkN8lw&index=1
>>129851895You're such a wimp
Is it autism if i always listen to instrumental music from a purely technical perspective? I dont tend to have this with vocal music, but anything instrumental, even programmatic styles of instrumental music like tone poems and overtures will have me trying to listen to it's form before thinking what the music represents. I tend to think of that on later listens after I am already familiar with the music.
>>129852081The best kind of music does not represent anything.
>>129851881this retard doesn't like Simon O'Neill
>>129851483how can you even listen to opera on its musical merits alone?like, I can't NOT imagine the secenes playing out in my head when I hear the characters singing and talking. It's like a radio play.
>>129852081Whatever works for you.
>>129852107Opera is not the best kind of music.
>>129852114not an answer to the question
>>129852107NTA, but while I'm sure most people do that, for me, when I listen to recordings of opera, I treat it like symphonic-lieder. The voices might as well mean nothing. I care solely about the music on its own terms as if there was no plot at all.
What music should I listen to while watching the launch in around 7 hours? They are going around the moon, not actually landing on it though.
>>129852107I don't really have an automatically active imagination like that. I also don't imagine the scenes of a book playing out in my head when I read it. I just listen. And something like this for example certainly has incredible musical merit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLs-Z47oFYw
Never understood why some composers insisted on making outdated music like Wagner and Opera or Bach and Fugues. They are like the Greta Van Fleet of their time living in the past and refusing to accept the world is moving forward.
>>129852129https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IVVkEC5dvghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSrNE79lpa0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JgbLea1KF0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSiQH09zhLE
>>129852125honestly at that point I would just listen to something else. I like to pay attention to all the characteristics an artist includes in his work, and if he bothered to include lyrics then I can't just not paying attention to them why listening to music. It's like only seeing the hot colors in a painting and ignoring the cold ones
>>129852141Who cares whether the form was outdated or not? All that matters is they felt they had something to say best expressed in those forms.
>>129852141says the guy listening to classical music in 2026
>>129852133>I also don't imagine the scenes of a book playing out in my head when I read itAnon, I...
>>129852164It depends. Yes, there are many operas which do not hold up on their musical merits alone, but there are many great ones that do. Like I said, they're essentially symphonic-lieder. Consider it the same as listening to, say, Mahler's Das Lied von der Erde or Strauss' Four Last Songs or an orchestrated version of Schubert's Winterreise. You wouldn't consider knowing the lyrics of those words to be essential to their enjoyment, right? Same thing. Opera is just larger scale, which is part of the appeal.
I feel bad for the anons that don't play an instrument, the only thing better than listening to music is actually playing along to it.
>>129852164A lot of the time, the lyrics actually detract in my experience. Like Nessun dorma for example, the music on its own is incredibly heroic and inspiring, but then you read a translation of the lyrics and it turns out that it's about how he won't tell some chick his name. What a letdown!
>>129852129Probably something unoriginal like Holts planets
>>129852171Most of the music I listen to is from 2020+, but sure I do listen to the classics from time to time. I don't try and ignore the period of time I am living though
>>129852185...you're reading the lyrics to Nessun Dorma without reading the rest of the libretto beforehand?
>>129852220nigga why are you even here
>>129852241Trying to see what the fuss is about classical music. There are some composers I like but a ton are just not my style
guarantee you this guy likes to Chopin
/co/ here, can someone tell me the name of the song that is used from 0-9 seconds. I think the style is called barokhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3QYkqf2v4U
>>129852275Hes ok but overrated. The real crime is all his imitators
>>129852225I read a plot synopsis.
>>129852185NTA: interesting enough, I was surprised by how much better the writing in Wagner's operas was than I had imagined. The poetry, the character development, the drama. Genuinely great. I need to watch one of Strauss' soon to see how his are.
>>129852141Wagner's late "operas" have little to do with the Italian bel canto or any earlier forms of opera.Bach transformer fugues into something else, pushing its boundries further than anyone ever has. Ultimately, why do you care? Unless you'rr living at their time and getting tired of hearing similar styles (which doesn't even work in case of Bach and Wagner, who were geniuses), you have nothing to complain about. This is your newfag pretentious ignorant ass speaking, not logic and reason.>>129852255>but a ton are just not my style"Your style" is just arbitrary result of your past popfagging experiences, not your actual, retined taste.>>129852275Very unlikely, late Chopin is high-end.
>>129852342>transformer*transformed
There's no better way to start the day than with Beethoven's Choral Fantasyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DUCF6Te5i4Such an unfairly neglected piece. It's one of Beethoven's most fun, and surely one of the most purely exciting in all of the repertoire.
Should women sing during pieces that were meant for male castrati's? I had an argument with a discord friend over this, I think they should be historically accurate and only use men since in the end they sound better
>>129852755Castrati no longer exist you dumb gorilla fuck.
Conductors who hum along should be shot.
>>129852831Imagine being this ignorant. Men can still train to reach high pitches, ever hear of falsetto? Also you can just get teenage boys to sing.
>>129852849None of that is remotely the same
>>129852839No one does this
Damn, I didnt know about this recordinghttps://youtu.be/tdPx8ns7XkgA recording of Figaro sung in German by Suitner with Dresden Staatskapelle? Surprised I didnt see it before.
>>129852929Why do you want to hear women so bad?
>>129843665>Glenn Gould>50 IQ How to tell someone's a tourist without saying so.
>>129853272He was literally mentally retarded. No more like 80IQ
>>129851273>>129851307Simple minded folks falling for cheap trolls>>129851400He's certainly more palatable than Stockhausen at least
>>129851814>honorary Classicalno such thing, fuck off back to /rock/ or /trad/ or whatever the fuck
>>129852081>Is it autism if iyes; also maho more like my whore
What do you guys think of this recording of Rite of Spring? I've heard a few others and I think I like this the best. I like how you can hear every element of the polyrhythm in Procession of the Elder really prominently.
>>129852181Yeah I'm with the "listening to opera for the music not the plot" crowd but that was really fucking weird. Man must have aphantasia.
>>129852199or Also Sp-->>129852157https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSrNE79lpa0oh shit someone actually posted it
>>129852107You enjoy the good parts and then sit in boredom for 30 minutes.
>>129852755Yes, we should absolutely irreparably ruin a child's life and disfigure pubescent boys against their will so that you can enjoy a tune, you nonce>>129853240Nice non sequitur, nonce. I bet you're circumcised.
>>129853566Nice to see someone else post maho. I think Gould's main problem is that he relied too much on gimmicks and being "different" rather than the quality of his interpretation. He absolutely raped the mozart sonatas due to this.The whole tirade he went on about with Mozart also feels like contrarianism for the sake of it. Especially when he fixates exclusively on Mozart's piano work with not a word about his operas and late symphonies. But then when talking how Beethoven was better, he picked an excerpt from his fifth symphony which wasnt a piano piece and was written 17 years after Mozart died while acting like it's a piece contemporary to Mozart.
>>129853070A lot of them do it. I can clearly hear in recordings.
>>129853627It's decent, but It doesn't *fuck*. Pic related *fucks*.
>>129852755The only way to have men sing them is to have a countertenor sing in falsetto, which is going to sound different than both a castrato and a woman.https://youtu.be/N7XH-58eB8c
>>129853676kill yourself nonce
>>129853688I listened (or rather watched) Gergiev with Mariinsky and it was alright. Is that one better?https://youtu.be/NQQR-GU14sQ
>>129853724funny, I thought that was the best performance available on youtube, so I don't know what to tell you. I've only listened to about five recordings of it and that >>129853688 one in my opinion stood head and shoulders above the rest
>>129853632Mad that I didn't fall for your first ragebait attempt so you tried again?
>>129853627It's bad.>>129853688This is also bad.
>>129853820Are there any good recs that don't butcher that polyrhythm in particular? That's my favorite part of the piece.
>>129853820Thank you for your rich and engaging contribution, I'm sure we can only expect even greater things from you going forward
>>129853802literally my first post in this thread today since >>129848621calm down
Opera is meant to be experienced in film. If Wagner were alive today he would almost certainly want films made of each of his operas.https://youtu.be/six6ZSN1REw
Pardon me if this is sacrilegious here. Zappa often included quotations in his music, and I want to test your ears. I'll link two Zappa and say the composer(s) he's quoting. You tell me if you recognize the piece.Debussy and Stravinsky:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kIsAZRv62IStrauss:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87oeOtx4Bt4
>>129853830What do you mean butcher? Do most recordings have the percussion and guiro too loud for you or something?
>>129853897Not sure what this has to do with classical. Maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>129853949Please try to stay on topic, this has nothing to do with classical music.>>129853897Interesting, I didn't know about this. Im going to listen
>>129853897https://youtu.be/6kIsAZRv62I?t=100 Petrushkahttps://youtu.be/rubci_2LQtI?list=RDrubci_2LQtI&t=12not sure about the Strauss one, i don't listen to much Strauss
>>129853859while stoned, as he would've wanted
>>129853910There are like 4 different rhythms going on and in the Karajan I can hear all of them.
>>129853990>pretending to be an interested poster coming out in his defensepoptards are hopeless>>>/mu/
>>129854014Complaining about other people isn't classical music. Please stay on topic.Going to listen to some Chopin boys.
>>129854038kill yourself
>>129854038Basedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7dOvJlb8Xo
Zappa sucks ass. Might as well listen to jazz if you're going to stoop that low.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzaYotn9hbQ
>>129854038>>129854071Fuck off newfag
Anything else like this that mixes jazz and classical? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMthLFcadhg
>>129854154>>129854142
>>129854150Ive been here since 2023 but whatever you say, please stay on topic. >>129854006Pretty much everything I listen to is when Im stoned. Music just sounds better that way
>>129854154>Anything elseEntirely too much; it's half of what the french, czech and austrians were doing during the interbellum, and some germans and russians were also doing it>>129854166>2023You are but a newborn babe
>>129854161Eh, im not that into atonal stuff and yet I know free jazz is atonal but still
>>1298541664/10 got some replies>>1298541753/10 dropping off
>>129854175>Schulhoff>atonalthis is the brain of a poptimist at full power
>>129854154Yeah, I really love Kapustinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dne2KSqLBnw
>>129854216Took my like 2 seconds to google and prove you wrong
>>129854257You're a buffoon and a moron. A slapstick sad man and an encumberance. There is nothing at all atonal about the concerto Op 43. You ignorant drunk cub. If you listen to it and your first instinct is to a) call atonal, and b) compare it with free jazz, you need to quit music, or even better, quit life. Your elders weep for you and shed tears of shame and regret.
>>129854257His atonal period lasted all of five years, and in that time he didn't exclusively write atonal stuff, rather he wrote works such as his op 35 or his thrid piano sonata along perfectly tonal, even neoclassical works. Ignorance is excusable but petulance backed by ignorance is not.
>>129854294You said >Schulhoff>atonalSo that is wrong
>>129854376You are illiterate, have no idea what context cues are, have zero self-awareness, and are convinced you could get a "gotcha" from anyone on a meaningless technicality which only the most deeply moronic don't take as understood within the current narrative. Cockroaches flee from you. Pigs sneer at you. In war you'd be safe: Even a .22 short cartridge outweights the value of your life.
>>129853993Petrushka is right, nice!>>129854154I thought of the record Mahavishnu Orchestra made with the LSO. The closing track is my favorite.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPneV91xTyU>>129854014I like classical and I like Zappa. Zappa's compositional complexity is a lot higher than most of the classical I listen to. I know it can be a bit off-putting.Barvinsky's Piano Cycle on Lovehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baPgggDqM4cZappa's Strictly Genteel (with the LSO)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn3qy_JjXxc
>>129854418>Zappa's compositional complexity is a lot higher than most of the classical I listen tosounds like a (You) problem
wake me up when the jazztards and poptimist have left
>>129854432Sorry for enjoying Mahler, Chopin, Strauss, Stravinsky, Rachmaninoff, Sibelius, Ravel, Liszt...
Oscar-Arthur Honeggerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu7NskuYF7Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2WmIoUeX1chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa5nMSrME-4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PjvRC6OGbohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl6ZnIDwKEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqSFBwBC0S0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_73erL8o_9whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4FmuobrUs4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AR8Y8bWFSwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKLcpEF29nQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbTdcWUTV4Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prxyp8EHITohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrDpP0Z2ojEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeqhKYRV7ughttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rocZ_0CayFohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcHHFH1AN_0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qFqUUQx2Lshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ddnp-GHn6Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJm2AEcbzIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vnhPVyMb38https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDy3brfTcIshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQw_xezqK_shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUGLqJEfJAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpT_I8tjxbQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTd_1GKeQg8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKYCB3PdLakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wjT1ycujT4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8FX5ZtnNMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iphzdVU9kEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLlg0r2wXuIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZRBxy6onXM>>129854154check out the piano concertino, cello concerto, and the first symphony, all included in this post
>>129854479>shows off entry-level, reddit-tier listfigures
>>129854499thats like 90% of posters. don't tell me you think the 89234th wagner post isn't entry level. Only the Honegger poster gives us anything original these days.
>>129854479Yeah there's no way Zappa is more complex than Stravinsky.
>>129854517Zappa is literally doo-wop with noodling shoehorned in it and random xylophones/keyboards doing their worst Varese impression
>>129854515>Only the Honegger poster gives us anything original these days.Thanks, I try
>>129854499Yes? I won't hide that I'm new. Maybe a year into this. You've been in a lower position musical knowledge wise yourself.>>129854517I don't know how true it is, but Stravinsky has been a huge influence to Zappa.>>129854547Funny you say that, his one and only doo-wop record was inspired by Stravinsky's neoclassical work. Your views come from clear ignorance. Maybe you heard Apostrophe(') but there's a lot more to him.
>>129854515>Only the Honegger poster gives us anything original these days.He posts the same list every thread.
>>129854574Last line meant for>>129854535
>>129854574>Funny you say thatI didn't, though>>129854577Yeah, it's kind of the thing to do when you want more people to be exposed to a composer that's rarely if ever mentioned here
>>129854574>I don't know how true it isNot true. Stravinsky (at least his Russian period) is some of the most complex music out there.
>>129854515>thats like 90% of postersYou don't just stop listening to entry-level composers when you dive deeper into the roughly half-millenium of music we have at our disposal, you just stop using them as bragging points/leverage when someone points out that you're a poptimist yet again overrating a le epic electric guitar player. If anything it's counterproductive.
>>129854593I mean the "entry level composers" are the ones who have stood the test of time in a highly rigorous musical environment for at least a century, I wouldn't say it's at all comparable to "entry level" popular music artists. The "entry level" composers are mostly the peak of the genre.
>>129854574>Your views come from clear ignoranceFine, he also did le avantgarduh (just add noise!) psychedelic cock rock, shit-eating comedy music, tepid fusion, and three full albums of nothing but meaningless wankery a.k.a. le epic solos xD
>>129854583>Yeah, it's kind of the thing to do when you want more people to be exposed to a composer that's rarely if ever mentioned hereNo its not lol. Give us one or two links, a wall of text with 30 links is just way too much
>>129854617You're allowed to take it in peacemeal, anon
>>129854590>Stravinsky (at least his Russian period) is some of the most complex music out there.No it isn't you tard lol. Not that anon btw, he's even more retarded, but you are clueless.
>>129854593You were the one saying ">shows off entry-level, reddit-tier list"
>>129854613>The "entry level" composers are mostly the peak of the genre.
>>129854624Well I mean music can be made arbitrarily complex, but at a certain point it stops mattering. I don't know if you're saying that like Bach is more complex (which it is, in certain aspects) or some garbage nonsense that nobody actually likes is more complex.
>>129854629Yes, very good! Now try to read the post in the context of the entire exchange. I know, it's hard, but take your time and don't rush yourself.
For me, it's Busoni, Bridge, Hába, Szymanowski, Bartók, Roslavets, Scriabin, Schönberg, Nielsen, Delius, Sibelius (from his violin concerto onwards), Medtner, Milhaud, Fartein Valen, Vaughan Williams, early Stravinsky, early Messiaen, early Křenek, McPhee, early Mosolov, early Luria, Šulhov, Skalkottas, Wyschnegradsky, Decaux, Scelsi, Obukhov, Hauer, Markevitch, Feinberg, Fanelli, and some specific works by Langgaard
>>129854641>Actually some of the greatest composers of all time are actually le bad and redditThe state of /classical/
>>129854642Unironically based list, except for Fanelli who seems a bit overrated and Obukhov who was more of a historical curiosity really
>>129854633Alright then give me a piece from some literally who that's better than Beethoven or Bach
>>129854652>reading compherension being this pisspoorI'm disappointed, anon. I even told you you could take your time and really take in the entire exchange.
>>129854590There's a site that analyzes Zappa's pieces in great depth. It's miles better at describing the music than I am.https://zappa-analysis.com/the-london-symphony-orchestra.htm>>129854616Name one noise track besides the closer of Weasels Ripped My Flesh when they just wanted to troll the audience.>three full albums of nothing but meaningless wankeryFour* full albums. The fourth one is a double LP.*ignoring post-humous work releases
>>129854657>non-sequiturhey sure
>>129854661strawman
>>129854669The implication of your post is that the "entry level" composers aren't the best to ever do it. So give me a piece from some niche composer better than the most famous composers. It's a simple request.
>>129854665>prove to me that you're even more acquainted with this pop trash musician than you already areNo thanks, I'm happy just sticking to good music.
>>129854676>I'm happy just sticking to good music.Me too man. Be it classical, Zappa, blues, jazz, noise, pop, or rock. It all sounds good to me for different reasons.
>if you don't spoonfeed me and satisfy all my demands then you LOSE THE ARGUMENT! HAHA!poptimist moment
>Be it classical, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, or pop. It all sounds good to meyeah I bet it does
>>129854731based
>>129854731based 2
>>129854484Nobody enjoys listening to this crap, let's be honest here
>>129854988That's a terribly unkind, unproductive, pointlessly antagonising thing to say, anon. Also, the archived threads beg to differ. Did you listen to any of it? What makes you think it's "crap"?
>>129855035don't engage with trolls and agitators
Frith is miles above and beyond Zappa anywayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngw63yHbW1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igHOaMOzzUo
>mfw Moiseiwitsch's absolutely perfect, the single greatest performance of Schumann Op.17>mfw that spinechilling development sectionThe voicing is divine. You can hear details that are inaudible in other recordings. The new Lugansky one for example, is just not even close. He doesn't voice as neatly as Moise. It's all harmony to him. Not to mention the obvious expressive elements are severely lacking. What's not to adore? This is the best thing ever.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfGmISHll84
>>129855328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ZL5AxmK_A
Szell's Haydn is good actually
>>129855507>Szell
>24 songs that are like 30 seconds longWow this is the greatest thing I've ever heard
>>129855786I also love grindcore
>>129855786This but unironically.
>>129855813I wasn't being ironic
>>129855873this but unironically
>>129853627It's not particularly idiomatic but I love me some Karajan.
>>129855786Yes it's good for the ADHD generation.
>>129855936Also this one
>>129855936>ADHD generationcirca -250.000BCE - 2050CE we had a good run but it's climate apocalypse for us goodbye r1
Solti's Tannhauser recording is truly inspired. Barenboim's and Sinopoli's and Sawallisch's all come close, but Solti's just has that little extra bit of magic.
One of my favourite works of classical. Its hard finding other pieces like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxTdTaNIUxo
>>129856077not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>Donizetti—Lucia di LammermoorGreat musical variety from scene to scene, feels like he pulled all the stops. Grating overuse of trills in one particular soprano aria in the first act. The soprano also concluded pretty much every duet and ensemble piece by jumping up an octave for the final note, which was exciting the first time but seemed garishly bombastic when it kept reocurring. Speaking of, the beginning of the second act sounded like someone had actually set off a bomb on stage. Maybe just some liberties taken by this particular recording. Was a bit odd that it ended with 20 minutes of soprana solo followed by another 20 minutes of tenor solo. Great opera overall.
>>129856097A bit slow aren't you. Or maybe this is just a bot
>>129852183I wish I still played mine, fuck depression
>>129856116Dont mind him, he is a severally mentally ill man who has been doing this for years. He literally spams the same thing when people post Satie.
>>129856116not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>129856112I'll have to try that one. I haven't listened to any Donizetii.
>>129856127>standard response to people posting pop>trollslearn the difference you fucking idiot
>>129856145>Anything that isn't Wagner is pop.Yuh huh. No one takes you seriously>>129851834
>>129856155t. ourist
>>129856077Charlatans enjoy this
>>129856155>>129851834we all do it, idiot, lurk more
>>129856200No its just you m8
>>129856189Meanwhile real pianists cannot even physically play it
>>129856212Thats because its got impossible fingerings. Its played on a player piano
Wagner sucks balls
>>129856155>>129856211>>129856212No one here thinks your plink plonk is classical nor cares what wikipedos have to say about it
>>129856217You have to listen to him louder.>>129856220Correct.
Aphex Twin is a greater composer than Chopin.
>>129856224>Checks date Yup checks out.
>>129856224excellent post, sister
>>129856224Correct. Aphex is beloved and respect here, unlike Ch*pin.
>21:06:01
>>129856227>>129856229Get with the times, grandpa. Chopin and Fagner impress nobody with taste.
>>129856212>Meanwhile real pianists cannot even physically play itthat's not the flex you think it ishere lemme just compose a piece that consists of a 38-note chord followed by a 412-note arpeggio that's meant to last 0.2 seconds oh shit this must be the most amazing work ever since no one can play it
shitposters, please be gone
I don't know why people are trying to gate keep modern classical out of this general all of a sudden. The more contemporary stuff is what got me into classical in the first placehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up_RtM69unA
>>129856224>>129856230Richard "Aphex" is literally just Satie with added bleeps and boops.
>>129856258>all of a sudden
>>129856267and Satie sucks, so...
>>129856258Careful with the microtonality, you're gonna scared the sexagenarian ITT.
>>129856253want anything else while I'm at the perfect utopia store picking that up for ya
>>129856277not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>129856279a 21st century recording of Tannhauser (that isn't Janowski) would be nice.
>>129856283You don't recognize Adam KalmBACH, the greatest serialist of the century? Get out of here...
>mfw retarded poptimists think microtonality is a new thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GhGuEW4k5w
What's like Consolations and Liebestraume? What other Liszt should I go for (keyboard works).
>>129856295Is that what's happening? Are we getting le epic raided xD by the oligophrenics at /metal/ again?
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PReJ5V1sKyQ
>>129856312Harmonies Poétiques Et Religieuses, Années De Pèlerinage
>>129856312https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qypYyZLVKIs
>>129856312>What other Liszt should I go for (keyboard works).Annees de Pelerinage, Harmonies poétiques et religieuses, Transcendental Etudes, Hungarian Rhapsodies, then there's some random pieces like his Mephisto Waltz, Sonata in B minor, Concert Etudes (this is similar to what you're looking for), Réminiscences de Don Juan, S. 418 (After Mozart), Polonaise (also similar to what you're looking for), etchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nApjk6nC2N0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlzn6nQpmgE
>>129856267Incorrect.
>>129856318>>129856325>>129856327Merci
>>129856312https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNbYde8PG6U
Now listeninghttps://youtu.be/UyYXOMleRsU?si=1pMN1hBKlf7Og-Id&t=173This journey through Boccherini's works is proving to be highly satisfying. It's like a sunkissed, mediterranean Haydn
>Boccherini
>>129856513Yes, that's the composer I just mentioned. What's the problem?
>>129856424Great music to play in the background of an upper-class party.
>>129856589Dismal prospect, frankly
>>129856327>>129856325>>129856315>>129856307>>129856424Why would you listen to this when you could witness xenoharmonic microtonal greatness. Whan an utter waste of time!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzqC6zvesBo
>>129856642the funny haha moment has been over for a while, metal man>>>/mu/
>>129856666Why not click on the link I shared to discover something new, instead of settling for the usual trite posted here?
>>129856696>waaah why won't you listen to metal in the classical general waahgo back to your containment thread you shit eating nonce
>>129856763Jute Gyte isn't even metal, if anything it's honorary classical and on topic."Democritus Laughing" opens with a four-measure riff that accelerates by gaining an extra note each measure in a horizontal 4:5:6:7 ratio, for a total of 22 notes. The 22 pitches played by the opening guitar were generated aleatorically by rolling a 24-sided die; the three other guitars play serial transformations of that pitch material. When the drums enter, the tempo ratio becomes vertical and the four guitars trade tempos in that 4:5:6:7 ratio every time the opening theme recurs.
>>129856790>it's honorary classical and on topicNo>"Democritus Laughing" opens w-No one cares
>>129856790>When the drums enter
>>129856642Don't bother, modern classical doesn't get any love in this general. Plebs.
>>129856870go back to your containment thread you shit eating nonce
>>129856885Nice off-topic post you braindead retard.
>>129856870Oh but I do. This is contemporary classicalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw1hClYiYoY&list=OLAK5uy_l4iFNGOIasD9sJdGCzGkQ39zrsqhSZkAs&index=1Great music.
>>129856893>NO, Uthis is the mental prowess of metal listeners
>>129856896Shit
>Jute GyteETERNAL HEILS TO HIS 12 TONE GLORIES
>>129856642Shit
>>129856970Oh, s-sorry. It has many good reviews!
>>129857089Sorry for being rude anon. It ain't bad actually. I'm just annoyed the other anon dismissed Jute Gyte as "metal"... Foolish thing to say
>>129857107go back to your containment thread you shit eating nonce
>>129857128Listen to the song I shared you shit eating nonce
>I'm just annoyed the other anon dismissed Jute Gyte as "metal"... Foolish thing to say
>>129857138>listen to metal in /classical/ or I will cryNo.>>>/mu/
Thank you wojaksister
>>129857164It's classical you troglodyte
>>129857181No. It's metal. It's off topic. It's also shit but that's by the by
>Thank you wojaksister
>>129857191You must be brown if you don't hear that it's classical but with modern day instruments, and that doesn't make it metal. It's spiritually classical no matter what.
>>129857208go back to /metal/
Thanks for the wojak spam you congoid, I bet you listen to chopin and fagner while stroking your micropenis
>discover something new, instead of settling for the usual trite posted here>it's honorary classical and on topic.>It's classical you troglodyte>You must be brown>it's classical but with modern day instruments>It's spiritually classical no matter what.>I bet you listen to chopin and fagner while stroking your micropenis
>Jute GyteBased
>go back to /metal/>No. It's metal. It's off topic. It's also shit but that's by the by>go back to your containment thread you shit eating nonce>this is the mental prowess of metal listeners>the funny haha moment has been over for a while, metal man
>>129857233cry harder metalcuck>>129857246you're not kidding anyone
>>129857255>aping replies making fun of his dumb fucking shitty metal bandis this the true power of /metal/
Gotta love how Adam makes all the brainlets mad just by existing. Truly the king! Sharing more classical for the classical fans out there.https://jutegyte.bandcamp.com/track/i-am-in-athens-and-pericles-is-younghttps://jutegyte.bandcamp.com/track/only-castles-burning
>>129856424I like this but the problem with classical music is that it all sounds samey, it was just a bunch of people following the same rules and churning out the same stuff. I guess you couldn't be too experimental back then or you would never ''make'' it, must have been a very oppressive environment for unbounded creativity
>>129857412Sterke scheite schichtet meow dort
>>129857412This picture is too powerful. Every time it's posted I look at it a dozen times, each time for a few seconds. It comes three of my loves: classical music, cats, and zaniness.Plus I'm pretty sure that's the same type of cat as the last one I had and loved.
If you don't love Schubert's Impromptus, you might not even be humanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzCbLCVX0gA
>>129857518I might not be human
>>129855786he paved the way for brainlet composers to publish full cycles of preludes with no fugues or any coherent pairing
Giacinto Scelsi
>>129857531And that's a good thing.
I hate that diaper wearing boomeralways has the most predictable opinions on everything, probably doesn't even know music theory
>>129857741you don't need to know music theory to review recordings
>>129858000I disagree
It's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lonuxGeaNf8&list=OLAK5uy_nNzxLMkTn2fnKDwoQDL8tqViEqyznE0kA&index=1
>>129857412
>>129857741He's written dozens of books on classical that showcase his knowledge of music theory. The videos are meant for mass consumption so of course he won't talk about those things at length.
>The Greatest ‘Ring’ Cycle: A Study in Obsessionhttps://medium.com/@bosiemoncrieff/the-greatest-ring-cycle-94edcf409490
>>129858650>and the viscerally exciting 1966 Böhm account from Bayreuth has the utterly olympian voice of Birgit Nilsson and a still formidable HotterwotIt's Adam you fucking RETARD. Well, I would say he's correct in his initial opening at least. Really, just go with Bohm. It gets the least wrong.
>>129858672The article has convinced me to give the crudely recorded Furtwangler La Scala 1950 set a try.
>>129858702It's pretty good so long as you go into it expecting the sonic compromise. And the very noisy Italian audience. I do recommended listening to the pitch corrected version, it makes a big difference since the majority of releases of that cycle are very off pitch from the original pitch of the orchestra. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmC6dsV9zv4
>>129858717The Reference Recording guy, Alexandre Bak, has a version as wellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWkhg8T5FM0&list=OLAK5uy_krUiIOdREye1KPLepNVr2f1tmkoRdu5BA&index=1I'll give both your link and this one a comparison when I listen to it this weekend.
>>129858727Yeah. It's shit. Like all of his stuff. Not in the correct pitch. The only thing that guy does is take existing transfers, applies haphazard EQ (usually globally, with no consideration for particular parts of the recording), and dynamic compression as well. And hilariously he also advertises his stuff as "hi-res" when, if you look at his releases, they usually are never actually hi-res. This guy is a fucking scammer and it's amazing to me that he's somehow managed to get away with publishing this derivative garbage. Any standard transfer is vastly superior to his fucking trash.
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Puccini's Tosca conducted by Michael Tilson Thomas (almost went with the Sinopoli/Freni recording but a review on the page convinced me to try this MTT one with Eva Marton as Tosca instead)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwl-PCZEIOM&list=OLAK5uy_nRiCTcOGTqtrVHsaBItDTsY7R5IpXbkoI&index=1>>129858736ah lol rip. Well guess I'll go with the one you posted then. Thanks for doing the comparison.>This guy is a fucking scammer and it's amazing to me that he's somehow managed to get away with publishing this derivative garbage. Any standard transfer is vastly superior to his fucking trash.The primary reason I listen to his releases when they're available for historical releases is they're available on the streaming service I use; sometimes they're even the only version of the recording to come up in the search results at all! But if there's an official release or superior alternative I generally don't.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsbrKX8Lufs
>>129859098Mahoposter, what's your favorite composer that's not Mozart?
>>129859101Tchaikovsky
new>>129859141>>129859141>>129859141
>>129858113>>129857412spot the difference
the vagner meme
