was millennial culture and music really that bad, /mu/?
>>129856320Yes, yes they are.
>>129856320Zoomers are obsessed with millennials for some reason. Their entire culture revolves around appropriating millennial culture and complaining about us online meanwhile I dont care or think about them at all
>>129856644>meanwhile I dont care or think about them at allmillennials on this site seem to spend a lot of time talking about zoomoids
>>129856720I dont know who those people are and I will not engage in generational divide shitflinging. When I was young I had respect for the older generations but I guess those days are over
>>129856320neoclassical and emo is goodi blame histerfags hipsters ruined everythig
>>129856320>getting actual interesting stuff censoredWhat is he referring to?
>>129856320millenials gave you the entire culture of the internetso yes
Millennials invented grunge eat my cock
>>129857108gen Xers invented grunge
>>129856320>>129856861Emo was literally the best thing to come out of music in the 21st century...
>>129857162Xers invented classic rock retard
>>129856644It will happen to you old man, all you can think about is the generation after yours, and you pass it off as if they're the ones thinking about you, lmao fucking pathetic, just kill yourself honestly, you deserve it. Fucking dickhead.
>>129857287Ur a fucking retard no they didn’t
>>129857301Nice meltdown bro
>>129856320NopeZoomers are 1000x worse
>>129856644it's not zoomers it's poojeet bait farms
>>129856320No. If you're stuck on algorithms and charts then it might look like that. If you're not a spoonfed loser then you know every modern generation has good art so far.
>>129856839They're over because the older generations have stopped being respectable. Boomers have done nothing at all to earn any respect from the rest of us and Gen X is not far behind in cringe.
>>129856320Millennial culture was everything and its contrary. Then you see some smooth-brained nigger like that cherrypicking some things to create the impression that's what it was all about.The first generation that laid down the foundations of woke were GenXers with their 'alternative lifestyles', female braids, tattoos, gay rights. All that started in the 90s with GenXers. Millennials were handed down the culture wars, which didn't start in their actual cultures. It was some kind of score settling between boomers and GenXers.
>>129857108Why do millenials pretend to be gen x? Gen x were cool even if they were losers. Every time one of these threads point out how shit and cringe millenials are, they fall back to stolen valor posting how they did gen x stuff like grunge and skateboarding. Niggas you played pokemon into your 30s and wear thigh high socks.
zoomer twink death has been fascinating to watch. Like this anon >>129856644 said, they haven’t created anything. They are just taking credit for millennial culture and pretending they made it. Millennials created internet culture as we know it now. Millennials invented memes as we know them now.
>>129856320Total Zoomoid Death ASAP please.
the last days of the monoculture were indeed horrendous but there was still interesting stuff going on. In europe club culture was still thriving and I didn't stop partying from 2007 to covid
>>129856644funny enough, and its too early to tell, but its looking to me like Gen Alpha is just gonna be Gen Z the sequel
>>129858003yeah everytime I think oh this was a cool millennial artist i realize its actually Gen X. how about the Strokes thats Gen Y right? Animal Collective? not a huge fan but theyre certainly artists.
>>129856320The 2000s were pretty shit. TMZ and celebrity gossip dominated the culture. Half the shows on TV were just celebrities flaunting their wealth, or shows talking about how extravagantly different celebrities lived. The OC was the most popular show reinforcing California as the cultural epicenter of the Western world. Everything was just about worshiping celebrities and wanting to live in Hollywood, far more so than even today. They still made good movies back then but other than that it was a pretty shitty culture indeed.
>>129856320>anime pfpall opinions automatically worthless
>>129858561Strokes definitely were not for a GenX audience, though.I would separate the age of musicmakers from which generation their music was addressed to.Strokes and White Stripes came too late to speak to GenXers. They could be classified as Xennial bands, straddling that period between the late 90s and the 00s.It's always been the case that bands in their 20s were making music for teenagers. So they weren't strictly for their own generation.
>>129857773gen xers are the product of jew psych driven boomer alt parenting
>>129856320He's right about weird twitter. That shit has aged like milk
>>129856320>Ferguson>Rooney>Safdieswhat are these things?
>>129856320The culture? Yes it was bad but zoomers are worse because they doubled down on the woke shit.Was the music bad? Maybe, but again der zoomer doubled down on the absolute worst aspects of it (soundcloud rap), while millennials still had some based and soulful genres like DnB.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqF8WUfCXik
>>129858870all social media is inherently dogshit, it doesn’t have to age. twitter was shit then and its shit now.
>>129859509TRVKE
>>129857773>>129858860Nothing of worth to be gleaned from either of these posts
>>129856887Holocaust denial slop videos on youtube I'm assuming
>>129856861If you cunts think that a particular type of glasses made you emoYou were always the type to not be in a band or play any instruments yourself but your idea of being "scene" or "emo" is wearing a Brokencyde shirt smoking a Marlboro you stole from your uncles couch while eating a donut behind the dumpster at the mallAt 6 in the morning
>>129856320Millennials valued the melody, zoomers hate melody. Therefor millennial music will always be better.
>>129859852If music was all about melody, we would've ran out of new music by now
>>129856320most people never done any of what matthew ellis listed.
>>129859868t. 2slimey
Its bad but not that bad. Get ready for it to be nostalgiafuel in ten years
>>129859935>Get ready for it to be nostalgiafuel in ten yearscant wait, i miss dubstep
>>129858810Strokes I agree. White Stripes being pure rock had a good boomer and xer fanbase too though but your new, right music is always for teenagers and belongs to them.
Boomers are the root of modern faggotry. Everything stemmed from them and their fucking hippie shit. Fucking fags still control shit. The most selfish generation in human history. We're all just the trickle down from their accumulated shit.
>>129857579Fully expected this to have 0 replies.You know that I know that you know why.
>>129859868>valued>all about
>>129856644>Their entire culture revolves around appropriating millennial cultureNot true. Millennial internet culture was shit like saying "epic fail" and demotivational posters
>>129858631https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyles_of_the_Rich_and_FamousThat well predates the 2000s.
>>129860003We speak English here, Ranjeesh.
>>129860087everything stems from the vienna school of psychology
>>129856320Generational brackets are zodiac tier social science. Nobody cared about this shit until those embarrassing 30 year old boomer monster energy viral marketing posts from a couple of years ago.
>>129856320millenial culture was kind of dogshit, but at least it existed. >zoomer fashionliterally just parts of 90s fashion.>zoomer music??, halfway through the 2020 and there's not much unique music to note since zoomers think more numbers = more gooder>zoomer moviestoo early to tell >zoomer mediai'll admit, short form video isn't unique to zoomers but they did make the most of it in a way other generations did not. >zoomer literaturelol>zoomer politicsreintroduced autistic moral censoriousness and a permanent us vs them mentality, for which i cannot forgive themam I missing anything?
>>129856320OP is right-wing (retarded) for sure
>>129859848Yes
>>129860948Bernie is a scam artist and his targets are people like you
A millennial invented 4chan
thank you for all the campaign donations comrades, sadly le bad guys won again u_u let's give it our best shot again in 4 years!!!!!!! OWO
>>129860996sorry but the scam victims voted for the criminal warmonger currently in charge
>>129861326Trump voters aren't victims
>>129858631This pretty much. "Millennial culture" if you can call it that, was just a downstream of American centric "mono-culture" that originated with boomers, proceeded thru Gen X, and ultimately became shallow sludge by the 00s and 10s. It's cringe seeing retards beg for a return to "mono-culture" when the culture was already.Say what you will about zoomers, but having things be more disconnected means there's no expectation to engage with garbage like everyone else does.
>>129856320Besides the 40 part he's literally describing zoomers.
>>129860886trvke
>>129856320Gen Z is so shit they killed art and music.
>>129860668Nah that shit was firmly Gen X
>>129861350Being raped ABSOLUTELY makes you a victim, anon, and Trump supporters' gaped anuses are the definition of RAPED.
>>129862145Get your timeline straighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Sky1AyDzM
>>129858697>pfp instead of avatarOpinion discarded, poster flagged as malformed retard and sent to execution.
>>129861442we killed off monoculture so that zoomers could be obsessed with the same 3 bands and 5 anime
>>129862798you get your fucking timeline straight nigger, I am tired of people younger than me trying to tell me how the internet used to be
>>129861442>no expectation to engage with garbage like everyone else does.what bubble do you live indoes the tiktok generation actually believe this about themselves?
>>129858003Shut up poser
>we KILLED monoculture
>>129858003i wish i could wear thigh high socks lol
so what are zoomers gonna do now? what's their plan? nothing is stopping them from doing things. millennials literally tell them to touch grass. we'll even join them in grass touching. stop bein hoes and give millennials a hug zoomzooms
>>129856320All gens after X are garbage and bickering over who is worse is like retards in special ed fighting.
>>129863981Xers combine the "fuck you got mine" attitude of boomers with the cynicism of zoomers, they gave rise to the "equal opportunity offender" stereotype that thinks peak basedness is believing in nothing and being extremely loud and hostile about it, they deserve so much more hate than they get. Gen X is the fucking worst.
>>129863941nobody is stopping you except yourself
>>129863981all this posits is that people started sucking when they stopped being raised by TV
>>129856861Look the same shit to me, just don't be a 4 eyed freak.
>>129864060They still made a lot of great media. Can't say that millenials/zooms and probably alpha.
>>129864226Xers worship their slop media to a grotesque degree, yes, thank you for reminding me
>>129856320>neo-classicalI didn't realize Stravinsky was a millennial.
boomer and gen x nostalgia left zero room for the following generations to leave their mark
>>129864060idk boomers still had some spirituality and idealism to them. why Gen X so enamored of nihilism?
>>129864531boomers were the first to have their idealism coopted and marketed back at them
>>129864531>why Gen X so enamored of nihilism?for the same reason millenials and zoomers are enamored of pornography
>>129864226>great media>responsible for all the whedon quipping marvel cinematic shitiverse content
>>129864531What passes for spirituality with boomers is either the Scofield Bible, prosperity gospel, or pretending to be jeets. Their "idealism" is blank-slate communism for the brown third-world hordes but hardcore Social Darwinist boostrapping for their own white children and grandchildren. Gen X's brand of reddit atheism and George Carlin safe-edgy cynicism, as obnoxious as it is, is still sadly an improvement over what boomers bring to the table.
>>129863954groomer ahh unc hug your ass
>>129856644>Zoomers are obsessed with millennials for some reason.Nostalgia cycle. It was for the 50s in the 80s, the 60s in the 90s, the 70s in the 00s, the 80s in the10s, and now it's rotated back around to the 00s because nobody gives a shit about the 90s for some reason. We're due for hipsters and Mumford & Sons again before long.
>>129856320The pop music was the worst ever but the good music was better
>>129856320that's an April Fools' post
>>129857098Technically that's not true, the edgy culture of the 2000s in general was set up by Gen X, millennials made the internet (and everything else) gay once they got old enough to have any real influence in everything. Let's also not forget that millennials viewed the edginess of the 2000s as cringe, and as a response they pivoted towards the wholesome chungus attitude that they're known for today. They also loved mocking the style of the 2000s as gaudy and ugly, but of course now that Gen Z is reviving all of those old styles suddenly they want to back track and act like they invented everything and want their due credit (never gonna happen since Gen X created all of that "Y2K" and baggy Nu-Metal/Grunge/Skater style that became popular during those times).
>>129870122Y2K aesthetic sucks and skaters are gay.
>>129864060>cynicism of zoomersZoomers got that cynicism from Gen X retard>>129864304List ten memorable pieces of millennial media from the late 2000s to the late 2010s. >>129864615All of those movies were made with the millennial consumer in mind. Everyone knows if you don't add a wholesome baby like character, an interracial couple, a cunty girl boss, and a lanky white nerd (millennial self insert) who drops wise ass quips every 5 seconds while using self deprecating humor to cope with his fake depression, then no millennial would watch it.
>>129860916this post is too kind to zoomers. even the short videos and memes are blatantly stolen.>>129861442retard zoomer, how is this for monoculture >75% of all conversations are criticism of trump and/or israel >the rap icons are… still kanye, kendrick and drake>MAGA is listening to… kid rock >every show and film is a reboot/sequel >film discussion this year was “have you seen sinners?”
>>129870192>List tenDubstepKanye WestParty RockStomp ClapRed Dead RedemptionThe WitcherMass EffectPixarHarry PotterInterstellar
>>129856320no. They never got anything "censored" and cancel culture is fake right-wing martyrdom, nothing more. nobody ever gets cancelled who doesn't deserve it except for maybe D4vd (and the jury is still quite literally out on that one. no indictments yet from the grand jury)
>>129870212>film discussion this year was “have you seen sinners?”It's a good movie with a great music. And it's not yet another goddam reboot, remake or comic book movie.
>>129856320the rotting corpse of 4chan is exhibit A of zoomer "culture"
>>129856320you envy them for having sex and going to parties
>>129870278/thread/mu/ has been reduced to unc cope/seethe threads about stuff that's only tangentally related to music.buncha olds and /pol/ tourists niveling about how millenials "censored" stuff and cancel culture, while hating on the mid-at-worst Underscores record because "REEEEE TRANNY" is standard-issue hypocrisy at this point.
>>129870312underscores is terrible
>>129867125meds>>129868422also nobody gives a shit about the 00s or wants to relive it
>>129857108Millenials are Taylor Swift and Charlie Kirk.
>>129870122emo was a welcome reaction to more than 10 years of angsty goatee shit
>>129868422Every zoomer on the street is dressed like a dickhead from the 90s and all the zoomer artists are trying to do some 90s club revival thing.
>>129870609>also nobody gives a shit about the 00s or wants to relive itExplain the y2k thread that hung out in the catalog for a month before hitting the bump limit
>>129870846>for a monththeres your answerif people cared it wouldnt be up so long (it was bumped by a single autist)
>>129870192>All of those movies were made with the millennial consumer in mind.You just proved his point. X-ers created slop chungus media that ruined millennials.
>>129870192>hurr durrNo. Gen X wrote those movies for themselves. Shiteating zoomers DESPERATE to blame millenials for things we didn't do need to skibidi 67 fanum tax their asses back to school to learn how reality functions.
>>129870231>Kanye WestHe's late gen x are you stupid nigga?>Harry Potteralso the product of a gen xer
>>129870248this
>>129856320Yes, unironically. Besides niche internet genres, millennials were some of the hackiest people ever with no real musical culture.It's utterly ridiculous when you look into a lot of supposed best, most praised "millennial musicians" and the musicians themselves are gen-x (this happens all the fucking time). Millennials absolutely did nothing with rock music and arguably even killed it in the mainstream, but will turn around and blame everybody else and then parade around some late gen-x band as millennialcore while they listen to the most braindead hiphop music.
>>129871714I'm a late millennial and I can't think of any rock bands I listen to / have listened to religiously that are millennial.
>>129871714>with no real musical culture.Literally EDM.>Millennials absolutely did nothing with rock musicGood, what was there left to do with it? Rock music has been solved and everyone got tired of it after the cringy Xer emo shit.
I think we keep getting our millennials mixed up because there are two very different types of millennials, the early and late millennial era. Early millennials dressed baggy and listened to hard rock and blended moreso into the 90's Gen X rock scene era, but when we talk about younger millennials I think of stomp clap hey, skinny jeans, embracing rap, '10s lumberjack attire etc because they hated hard rock and unanimously disavowed it but now they're mad that Gen Z is reincorporating it in their style.
>>129871798Stomp clap never had mainstream appeal it was for hipsters that most millennials laughed at while going to parties and fucking to David Guetta beats.
>>129871786>Good, what was there left to do with it?Revive Midwest Emo:https://youtu.be/22ds1uoN2s4https://youtu.be/vHlRYkKhsichttps://youtu.be/1kaMiIaT-sgfrontman is a zoomeralso if Panic! At The Disco is considered rock then that was pretty revoltionary and from an entirely millennial outfit
>>129857108how did they invent it when they were either barely 10 years old or just being born when it was made?
>>129871798>mid millennial doesn't existgoofy>when we talk about younger millennials I think of stomp clap hey, skinny jeans, embracing rap, '10s lumberjack attire etcthose were mid millennialslate millennials were lame in comparison and not participating in any of thateven now you would be hard pressed to name any late millennial celebrities who are cultured>they hated hard rockdefine "hard rock", because yes I largely detest dadrock but I loved Papa Roach
>>129871798assuming late millennials means 90-95 births this is false, at least with respect to rock/guitar-driven music. a kid born in 94 was 13 in 2007 and listening to stuff like My Chemical Romance, Evanescence, Fall Out Boy. 'stomp clap hey' was the product of early millennials who were in college in late 2000s early 2010s and influenced by alternative/indie of the late nineties, the types who mocked nu metal and emo.
>>129857287Old fuck boomers made classic rock dumbshit.
>>129871827This. Im a zillennial and i listened to Pop punk and House.
Millennials got Julia Holter and Joanna Newsom. Zoomers have, what, pastiche schlock like black midi and geese? It's very clear who the superior generation is.
>>129871879>zillennialcope term for early zoomers
>>129871882>Julia Holter and Joanna Newsomwho and whopeople actually know who Andy Samberg is
>>129871903December 96
>>129871840People also mistakenly assume "Stomp Clap Hey" was all there was when Vampire Weekend could be deemed a rock band and they were huge and actually listened to during the hipster era (~2008–~2012), and they are early millennials.
>>129871919yeah that's zoomerlate 1996, class of 2015, ~late August 1996 onward, is zoomer
Calvin Harris
>>129857108Millennials made open relationships a thing
>>129871958all that sex nerd "pornography and degeneracy is so cool" shit was thoroughly gen x.
>>129871857Even that's wrong because the oldest boomers would have been kids when rock n' roll started
>>129871958Run-off concept from Gen X-degenerates.
>>129856644I think about zoomers a lot, i want to fuck them
>>129856320Early millennials born in the 80s had some cool music and cultural output in the 00s-very early 10s. Late millennials born in the 90s didn't do a whole lot of note music-wise, they mostly became hipsters who developed fake personalities based off the artistic works of other people. Millennials in the 2010s were too busy wagging their fingers at others like busybody old women about Trump or abortion or something during the time period they would normally be making albums.>t. late millennial born in the 90s
>>129857162The CIA invented grunge.
>>129872690>Late millennials born in the 90s didn't do a whole lot of note music-wisewe are in our early 30s or 29most of us outside the NWO have done nothing>they mostly became hipstersyou have a distorted grasp of time and reality if you think the stereotypical hipster was a late millennial, who were ~18 in the middle of the hipster era
>>129872735I was 18 during the hipster era and i did all the dumb rituals... i owned desert boots, checkered shirts that i still like tho, scarves and beanies during summer and suspenders and bowties like Matt Smith from Dr. WhoAsk /fa/ how ridiculous it was.Meanwhile the Emo era was edge kino.
>>129861017I 'membe this i was Leftoid back then and foolish. I also donated to Tulsi Gabbard though which became based.
>>129872735>who were ~18 in the middle of the hipster eraI was born in 1992 and I was in my early 20s in the middle of the hipster era. Teenagers of every other generation made plenty of music, so that's no excuse. It was my generation, and I got a front-row seat them them being a bunch of cliquish, talentless assholes more concerned with looking the part than doing anything remotely interesting.90s millennials also lost half of our cultural spotlight to covid, but it's not like anyone was doing anything interesting anyway.
>>129872769I wore a gray keffiyeh, trilby, button pins with "deep" quotes on them, a suit vest, and skinny jeanswearing the fashion of the time doesn't mean you were a hipster nor a meaningful participant in hipsterdom
>>129872792I was a Teenage Anarchist.https://youtu.be/c7RUeMCZL3Q
>>129872797>inb4 semantics over when the "hipster era" actually wasI was in Austin, which typically likes to stay in the previous era for a few years longer. I have no idea what coastie hipsters were doing and couldn't care less.
>>129872797> was born in 1992 and I was in my early 20s in the middle of the hipster era.you were 20 when it arguably essentially endedit only extends as far as 2014 and many people would say it was already dead before then>Teenagers of every other generation made plenty of music, so that's no excusethat doesn't mean that shit was goodtake that album with the grayscale cover art of boys in a swimming hole; that sucksalmost nobody peaks musically in their teen years, and we matured into an age of greater documentation where mediocre debuts could haunt you for the rest of your attempted career due to poor first impressionslook at how Sabrina and Chappell (zoomers) were ignored for a decadeif you have no artistic support and didn't take the time hone your craft early (our subgeneration is also the death of the band and analogue craft skills), there's no way you'd produce anything people would care about and pay attention tothere are probably dozens of such ignored late millennial attempted musicians whose names neither you nor I know>It was my generation, and I got a front-row seat them them being a bunch of cliquish, talentless assholes more concerned with looking the part than doing anything remotely interesting.What was "your" generation? Because you are a mere late millennial. We have no identifiable culture belonging to us. Every "hipster" in the popular imagination is unambiguously an early or mid millennial. There is very little awareness of what late millennials represent because we by and large have created nothing of our own, and didn't even participate in the scene immediately available to us. We're the reason hipsterdom died and didn't get carried on; we refused to carry it on. We just quietly consumed and stood in corners while daydreaming about our times coming without ever actually taking any steps to bringing it about. Almost nobody has a late millennial idol or cherished product.
>>129856644No it’s mostly gen xers seething, zoomers are busy seething at boomers for their laziness in the job market.
>>129856861I don’t know if millennials will ever be able to live down hipsters to be honest. That was a fucking horrible time.
>>129872797>90s millennials also lost half of our cultural spotlight to covidnot only was that irrelevant, but it also was a boon for primarily online vectorsLudwig, born July 1995, became the biggest streamer in the world during lockdown. And yet, Ludwig has not actually created anything of enduring value. It was just moment after moment.We haven't made anything worth committing to a canon yet. We inherited this idea that the canon was full and complete by the time we were mature enough to make anything, so gave up prematurely. We did not think our contributions could ever be worthy. We can't even collaborate with each other.Things are only going to change if we start waking up to the fact that our time *is* now and this current cultural wasteland is the perfect opportunity to attempt to make an impact.
>>129872970Dubstep was bigger than stomp clap.
>>129872970Hipsters were cool and even zoomers now have stopped pretending otherwise.
>>129872998picunrel?dubstep (brostep more properly) was a wonderful cultural and artistic phenomenon and the face of it was an 1988 born mid-millennialthe folksy shit was for cafes and commercialsI'd reckon even Vampire Weekend was organically bigger than stomp clap hey
>>129873007Maybe in your hipster commune, but everyone else views dubstep and faux hawk wrap-around guys more fondly than they do that hipsters.
>>129870122No, millennials were the core of edgy early internet like newgrounds. The gay wholesome chungus internet came to be in the 10s.
>>129873043Americans have such a strange love for hipsters. Where I live, dubstep was far more popular in Germany. In Germany we have a far better music scene.
>>129873136stfu Gigger
>>129873136hipsterdom was a global phenomenondubstep was a global phenomenonhttps://youtu.be/Q5axTTaxOV0>we don't do zat in germanyvid was literally shot in germany
>>129873113you live under a rock'Millennial Optimism' was the name of the recent trend where zoomers began admitting they wished they could have been hipsters too:https://youtu.be/_cNhYSzGtzQhttps://youtu.be/zWnKamEudYE>faux hawk wrap-around guysguidos?no; basically forgotten
>>129873128>The gay wholesome chungus internetwas just an evolution of the millennial strain parallel to the edginess encompassing more cutesy and moe shit like nyan cat and caramelldansen and longcat which turned into the reddit heckin' doggerino type shit
>>129873136We had hipsters too but a lot less, germany has always been an edm country.
>>129856320I think millennials are okay but they had higher peaks of cringe than anyone in history. On a graph they are about like Gen X then they spike almost to break the scale. Every other generation is a wave form, goes up and down. Zoomers wave form is much higher than millennials but never spikes its just sorta always cringe.
>>129873251FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT WE ARE BRINGING BROSTEP BACK YOU LOSThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWDGqZWJeW0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWDGqZWJeW0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWDGqZWJeW0
>>129872970>>129873113"hipsters" were just overly cultured people who were into art that frequently alienated normies. and like with anything that's genuinelycool eventually there were unauthentic grifters who ruined it and turned it into a caricatured cliche but generally speaking hipsters were cool down to earth and interesting people who had style and taste.
>>129873408>overly culturedno such thing
>>129873251>performative males want to mimic a performative subculturewow groundbreaking revelation anon
>>129873251No he’s referring to nu-metal guys like Fred Durst.
>>129873408They were dorky losers who made going to Mumford and sons concerts and being ironic their entire personality. They’ve always been lame and “uncool.”
>>129873690This. I would hardly call it representative of the entirety of Gen Z. They shit on stomp clap hey more times than not. I don’t think hipsters are representative of all millennial culture either. >>129873310has the best summary of it.
>>129873404literally the most fun music ever created
>>129856320Ryan Ross is my favorite millennial.
>>129873690>>129873752Zoomettes are posting about how they wish they could be working "writing listicles for Buzzfeed"stop the cope
>>129873732you're a parrot of bog standard 15-year old hipster hate divorced from concrete reality
>>129873761>effective musical genius>peaked in his early 20s then burned out being a partying druggie>spends the rest of his career doing almost nothing in-between sparse uninspired releaseshe has to be representative of the generation
zoomers ARE cringe though
>>129873794> Zoomettes are posting about how they wish they could be working "writing listicles for Buzzfeed"maybe the ones in your local artisanal hipster brewery.> stop the copeThis coming from the guy who thinks there will be a hipster comeback?
>>129873829reminder Skrillex *is* South Asian
>>129873867you keep desperately coping out of not being tapped into the online discourse and contemporary narratives whilst also imagining things which were never said
>>129873817You’re brutal but not entirely wrong. Sad thing is he could’ve definitely been a success in his own right had he been more consistent. He took the failure of The Young Veins way too personal. It came at a time where musicians were already struggling with monetization and the internet. He just needed more time to refine the band’s sound and keep going. It will always be a shame he burnt out as badly as he did. Oh well.
>>129864615Marvel quirk humor and capeshit soifaccing is one of the most defining and clowned on millennial traits. You can't just say that's actually gen x lol.
>>129873980I'm a millennial and don't like either of thoseYou're overgeneralising
>>129873886zoomers like the economic conditions, majority don’t idolize going to mumford and sons concerts or wearing suspenders and looking söy. they’re much sooner to idolize hypebeasts and black culture than they are to worship looking like they work at “two guys with a crazy idea” restaurants.
>>129873968frankly the young veins "take a vacation" isn't as good as pretty.odd. and even behind the sea is better than anything else on that albumhe went too hard trying to be authentic and tributary and lost what made panic at the disco special and appealingthere was not much of an audience for surf rock in the turn of the decade, nor for british revivalism but he actually made *that* happen within the context of that whole "emo" milieuhe let fanboyism poison his creativity and wasted his efforts trying to bring back something nobody else was checking for instead of using it as the basis for something appreciably new like pretty.odd. did or vampire weekend didit's the same as conor oberst killing bright eyes with all the folk shit when fevers and mirrors style was peak
>>129873999I don't like trap rap or broccoli hair as a zoomer, doesn't mean it's not memed as a defining zoomer trait.
>>129873980>You can't just say that's actually gen x lol.Jim Carrey is a Gen XerJohnny Depp is a Gen XerRobert Downey Jr is a Gen XerEddie Murphy is a Gen Xer
>>129872957Zoomers are unemployable
>>129873980Everyone involved in creating those things are gen x. Stop falling for low IQ youtube grifter videos inventing terms like "millenial writing".
>>129874040you keep spamming mumford and sons as if most people gave a hoot about themdo you even realize multiple bands made the vague musical landscape you're imagining in your head?:https://youtu.be/dZX6Q-Bj_xghttps://youtu.be/MmZexg8sxykhttps://youtu.be/qybUFnY7Y8whttps://youtu.be/vraoiVCDdaMAt this point I think you're just a larping zoomer trying to turn a pastiche of randomly acquired tidbits into an analytical perspective capable of replacing lived experience of the actual conditions of the day
>>129874084>>129874110Absolute cope. It's millenial targeted and millenial consumed. It's part of the gens "culture."
>>129874110'Millennial Writing' is an actual thing though you can easily observe in plenty of earlier indie films as well as more corporately supported mainstream outings.The "quirk" is a stereotype but aggressively self-aware raw awkwardness is effectively a defining trait of millennial cinema produced by millennials themselves. Tiny Furniture & Girls, Ruby Sparks, Must Come Down, to name a few.
>>129874140I know zoomers who are into capeshit and pokemon.Generations are not like boxes, there's a lot of in between and stuff that carries over
>>129874140if it's not millennial produced, then it's by definition not a millennial productmy chemical romance is not a millennial bandmindless self indulgence is not a millennial bandbright eyes is not a millennial band
>>129874063I agree with what you said, but I give him benefit of the doubt. Maybe too much, but this is why I emphasize it was the beginning of the band and the importance of consistency. It’s very likely he would’ve switched styles as time went on or better refine his sound in general. Would they have been as good as his peak? No, but it would’ve been better refined. Instead it is as you said, we get “sparse and uninspired releases” that lack refinement or the same quality. I imagine a lot of that comes down to these repeated long stretches of nothing. Use it or lose it as they say. I heard a meme the other day about a “potential man.” I suppose you could argue Ryan Ross is one, but I’d say that’s too simplistic given how early he peaked and never was able to really capture those same heights. Regardless he would’ve been great, but not Fever era or Pretty. Odd great. Would a more consistent Ryan Ross and TYV have been better than what Brendon gave us with PATD later on? I think that’s up in the air, but I’d say yes.
>>129874122you know anon, maybe I judged you and hipster culture too harshly. It’s unfair for me to treat guys like you with a level of disrespect that isn’t warranted. you guys have a diverse field of music and taste. It is really unfair to flatten it all into the same archetype. at the end of the day, hipsters like mods, punks, and goths will be looked upon fondly. sorry anon and thank you anon for the perspective.
>>129871958No, that's just a rebranding of the same old "free love" and "swinger" bullshit that's been pushed since the boomers.
>>129873408>"hipsters" were just overly cultured peoplelol, lmao. Hipsters were always posers wearing a Halloween costume all year.
>>129874186That is the quintessential modern woman
>>129874695All I'm trying to communicate ultimately is that the hipster hate meme was propagated by low brow retards who hated being made to feel intellectually inferior for their own disinterest in self-cultivation and painstaking curation and emotional collective effervescence apart from the ecstasy of debauched drug-fueled clubbing, and that there was and is in fact quite a lot to appreciate left behind by those who contributed both explicitly and implicitly to that zeitgeist.'Millennial Optimism' was a rage against the dying of the light of seemingly hopeless economic times which present commentators would do well to seek to adapt for their own circumstances not terribly dissimilar, even if the amount of people capable of creating such an uplifting countercultural community has dwindled to nigh untenable numbers.There is a lot to learn there for the sake of younger generations, who will need not only to cope with the trying times of today, but actively construct replacements to a crumbling establishment which no longer even remotely serves the public interest.
my wife lavren is a millennial
>>129861442>no monoculture>everyone gets funnelled garbage by the same algorithms on the same 3 websitespick one and only one
>>129874140No, it's a circlejerk of Gen X'ers trying to be "hip" and "ironic" like their heroes David Foster Wallace, Chuck Palahniuk and Joss Whedon. That's why all this drivel revolves around IPs that Gen X'ers were obsessed with as kids. Millennials didn't care about capeshit until Gen X used Hollywood to ram it down our throats. Marvel was going bankrupt when we were reaching comic-reading age.
>>129874910>>129874695How's the weather in Mumbai?
>>129874515I think we should be taking figures like him as cautionary tales and negative examples motivating ourselves to unlock and unleash our own genius within instead of sitting around waiting for people who've disappointed us to somehow shape themselves back up. We've spent almost a decade collectively as a culture trying to excavate and reanimate past glory for use in revitilizing the culture today, to no avail, and have driven ourselves sick of it all. We are at the breaking point now where we all realize we have to seriously move on from the past and take resonsibility for a visible culture failing to inspire as being the result of our own inaction or half-hearted efforts. We can only spend so much time dwelling on such peoples' "what-if's" because we ourselves never put anything out to begin with, such that we'd be wondering about our own "what-if's" if we too hypothetically had not given up.I think these conversations can be productive with coming to terms with the tragedy of it all and allowing us to emotionally let go of our implicit abnegation toward what came before us deceiving us into believing nothing could possibly ever hope to succeed it. For our own sakes, we have to remove people like Ryan Ross from the pedastal we've kept them on for so many years to no real improvement to the situation we find ourselves in. We have to accept these things as spiritually dead as for example the founding fathers.
>>129861442Monoculture still exists, zoomers all talk about the same 10 subject matters on every single social media app. People into underground stuff are still outliers, even today, the times may change but normies always stay the same.
>>129856320Fucking faggot kids of today think we all liked that mainstream trash.
>>129874991Marvel got bought out by Disney.George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney by choice because he was utterly tired of raging original trilogy xer manchildren that couldn't comprehend the prequels.
>>129870710>welcome Everyone hated on it and called them faggots, they were bullied constantly and in a way, gave birth to the quirk chungus character with their "rawr means I luv u in dinosaur >:3" bullshit
>>129873285there was plenty of hipsters on the techno scene but it's a different breed; the "techno interests me" kind
>>129875010Absolutely he should be a cautionary tale. We should move on from the past and it’s obvious none of these guys will get any better any time soon. I don’t think the cautionary tale should stop at him not living up to his potential, but how he handled failure. Here is a guy who had 2 great successes, but got cold feet the moment his third project didn’t go as expected. I like Ross and I will always say Panic! with ross is far better than it is not. However for all Brendon’s faults he at least did the best he could at achieving his own potential. There is good reason why Brendon got to live on with such success and Ryan didn’t. Moving on from the past, not relying on the old guard, and motivating ourselves to be better is all great but I don’t know if it’s enough. We need to motivate ourselves to be better even if we stumble and failure. Ryan Ross’s cautionary tale shouldn’t just be about living up to potential, but about being able to continue despite adversity and failure. https://youtu.be/1AWXO2Jm9jQ
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Zoomers inventedAtmospheric Dnb, Dariacore, Hyperpop, Drift phonk, Fruitigo Aero, vaporwave, Actually funny memes that aren't just pictures of cats with "I can haz", 67, post-sincerity, vtubingMillennials invented stop clap hey, corporate artstyle, ukelele music, "so that happened", having an ironic disposition toward fucking everythingWe are not the same
>>129859073Ferguson was a chimpout in Missouri or some place. The 2010s equivalent of the George Floyd riots.
>>129856320>millenial this zoomer thatyou retards realize were all going to be in the retirement home at the exact same time? in both age and culture millenials and zooms are practically the same fucking thing
>>129877151almost fell for the bait, well done
>>129857662They had good music though. My opinion about zoomer music taste is that they lack any sort of context to put the things they like into. As far as I can tell they will be crying until the end of time about how perfect the year 2016 was and how everything that came after ruined it. Nothing but nostalgia for what they think was one perfect moment with no looking back or forward.As a millennial I grew up with all the music of the boomers, gen xers, and developed my own taste. Internet music piracy meant I could listen to whatever the fuck I wanted. I didn't isolate myself into some bubble where I only listened to the same shit that was generally popular with people my own age. I really mean it when I say I listened to whatever I wanted. Instead of looking to some moment I think is perfect, like for example the years 2002 and 2012 are quite special to me, I just keep looking for new things I like and move on with my life.I don't care if zoomers think I'm cringe because they're starting to give off big time peaked in high school energy.
>>129877151Dubstep and Liquid DnB mog all of these genres, millennials won.
>>129879392Listening to a Fabio set from his atmo days puts me to sleep. The liquid/swerve era is where it's at.
>>129859093DnB was created by gen x though
>>129879392not music
what's the best you guys got? Taylor Swift? LOL
>>129856320>was millennial culture and music really that bad, /mu/?is the sky blue?
>>129871786>Literally EDM"EDM" is just a marketing term to make up for Americans missing 30 odd years of electronic music evolution because of their disco sucks hangover. Almost all of the dance music lineages that led to the shambling corpse of what used to be dubstep going global were made by gen x.Actual millennial invented electronic music genres: dubstep (and its subgenres), grime... and that's about it unless you want to go into micro subgenres of barely differentiable house.
>>129877151>Actually funny memes that aren't just pictures of cats with "I can haz"...Yeah but millennials created YouTube poop and I've never laughed harder than at some of the YTPs. Also just better threads on 4chan
>>129880924>all dnb is the same KEK
>>129881033House was created in 81, when the oldest Xers were 15.Xers didn't invent EDM either, sorry buddy.
>>1298809562010 Liquid DnB is the peak of music.
>>129881061There isn't any dnb made by millennials that was sufficiently different from what gen x producers were doing to be its own genre. Tweaking synth settings and slapping a new adjective in front of dnb doesn't actually magically create a new cultural movement.>>129881072Sure thats why I said almost all. Its fairly undeniable that the explosion of different dance music genres happened in between the mid 80s and early 2000s which is peak gen x. "EDM" itself was invented by marketing people around 2010, the term was barely used before then.
>>129881118Xers didnt invent shit. All the modern electronic sound is due to millennials, all Xers did was french house (sampling funk tracks made by boomers) and trance.
>>129879646https://www.mixcloud.com/D90_D120/fabio-live-at-bluebeat-may-2004/>>129881118You're not quite right about this but I'm not going to completely nerd out about dnb for hours to argue with someone who isn't into it enough to know. The tl;dr of it is you used to need a lot of equipment that was expensive and difficult to learn how to use. That is why there was a role called an "engineer" which was very important. There were huge shifts as the genre moved away from hardware to DAWs. The engineer wasn't really needed and bedroom producers weren't just a thing, they were the thing. Saying it wasn't that different is wrong because many producers failed to make the jump to the new production techniques and changing styles. A lot of the changes were social too. No more need to stand in line behind some big name DJ while he gets 20 dubplates cut.
Zoomers are the most pretentious generation
>>129880956uncs stuck in the 70s
>>129881127Rave, jungle, dnb, speed garage, 2step garage, trip hop, happy hardcore, acid house, whatever you want to call the wanky beep-boop rephlex/warp stuff etc. Its harder to name electronic music genres that aren't invented by gen x than the reverse.>>129881155I was an event promoter and worked for electronic music festival organisers in the UK in the 2000s. I think a good rule of thumb for if a genre its its own thing is "does/did it have club nights specifically for it?". No-one ever went "I'm going to the atmospheric dnb night instead of the jump-up night on friday", there is no cultural separation there, while when dnb branched off from jungle, separate events sprang up.
>>129881295Well the sort of people who wanted to hear what was coming out on Innerground or Hospital weren't going to the same nights as the people who wanted to hear what was coming out on Freak. In the 2000s dnb was all about the subgenres. The culture is insular though and didn't always care to come up with music journalist (or people like you lolol) friendly names foe what was the flavor of the month.
>>129881311This its like saying Xers didnt invent Pop punk and emorock because the silent gen was already doing another Version of Rock in the 60s.
>>129881311It was exactly the same people and you're drastically overestimating the differences. You could try to put on a jungle night at some club and they'd say no we don't like that crowd, even though they'd do dnb nights. You would never get the same with artists from different dnb labels because it was exactly the same crowd.
>>129881396I like liquid dnb and hate jungle or neurofunk
>>129881396You really think the same people who vibe to this:https://youtu.be/IZau_ks3f84Want to go to a night where this is blasting out of the system?:https://youtu.be/uzSgAPdNbn4
I think a lot of the reason why millennial and zoomer cultural movements don't stand the test of time is because the cultural vampires have got too good and too fast at co-opting things. Its very hard to keep a movement from becoming cringe when brand marketing/media people have their beady little eyes on everything, waiting to steal it and sell it back.Its telling that the two cultural youth movements that have stood up to this are, for whites: edgy internet racism, and for blacks: drill rap culture, because its impossible to put virulent anti-semitism and young black men shooting and stabbing each other on iphone adverts.
>>129872012>the oldest boomers would have been kids when rock n' roll startedWhich is why they invented classic rock. Classic rock is not the same thing as rock and roll.
>>129856320saying millennials censor more than zoomers is straight up retarded.
>>129856320Generational discourse has got to be the most retarded monkey-brained behavior imaginable.
>>129856887White Pitchfork-core music like Animal Collective
>>129857108Wow thanks for inventing BUTTROCK, what a great contribution to music!
>>129856644Zoomers deep down realize they're a hollow and plastic culture and completely void as actual people which is why everything they do is just a cargo cult version of things millennials and gen Xers did but acting like they're better. It's hilarious watching them bitch and seethe endlessly about millennials while wholesale stealing everything we did.
>>129882972Ok Millennial.
generation wars are the worst thing to happen to /mu/
>>129883028They're still better than all the hair metal and nu-metal apologia threads that started appearing post-/pol/
>>129883004Zoomers are frfrightened by hallways lmao
>>129856320i was listening to japanese music that whole time so i have no ideat. 40yo
>>129883004I know you're baiting but come on these people are narcissists with personality disorders that will do anything for attention. Even just 0:25 on the left video is enough proof that these people have personality disorders. They are trying so hard to appear quirky and normal human beings because they know they are empty vessels that only serve to get external validation so that they feel validated for 5 seconds. These people are not even human, their entire existence is copying other people to try and appear human. They're aliens in human skin because they get abused as kids. Not representative of normal people. stop baiting
>>129883808You can try to explain this to him all day but he won't figure it out until he gets burned by some people like this.
