Giacomo Puccini Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96TbPwQn-9AThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenhttps://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996/prev: >>129859141
finally listening to the Bernstein recording of Strauss' Der Rosenkavalier and it is changing my life it's so wonderfuliconic openinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNucfMfqWlA&list=OLAK5uy_m4J7kAeRM7dOSnJg_e8RiHVwhKl2lzuJU&index=2vocal movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f8xKzUQCX8&list=OLAK5uy_m4J7kAeRM7dOSnJg_e8RiHVwhKl2lzuJU&index=2so damn good.
>baking a new thread on page 4
>>129875466We always do once the bump limit hits!
Why can no one else scratch the Chopin Ballade and Preludes itch I have?
>>129875466Got to be proactive if you want to beat the schumann spammer these days.
>>129875487There's nothing else quite like them. I suppose I'd suggest going through all of Faure's solo piano music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZcKii9Sd-ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svtiDFfjYXIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiwG-4uxTl8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdPetLZZs2cLots of points in the Impromptus that are like the Chopin Preludes.
Best recording of Brahms: Symphony 4?
>>129875518I like Carlos Kleiber with Vienna but I haven't listened to many other recordings
>>129875518There are so many fantastic ones. This is the usual recommendation though,Kleiberhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxB5vkZy7nMalternativelyJochumhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRYe6EwWpPQor Karajanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUWKdARd-24
>>129875550>>129875544Well good because thats the one I already started. going in raw, first time listening
>>129875559Enjoy!(and prepare to have your mind blown right from the opening)
>>129875559It's one of my favorite pieces. I could listen to it on loop for hours.
if you don't like Brahms, we can't ever be friends or sleep together, sorryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ec_DnPL578
>>129875593Enjoy being a virgin forever
>>129875517Thanks. I've already gone through all of Faures keyboard works but just doesn't scratch the itch
>>129875642True. There's a reason we praise Chopin so much here. The highest greats in classical have no equivalent, all you can really do is spend your time listening to different recordings of their music.
>>129875544>>129875550Not even Kleiber's best Brahms 4th.
>>129875659we get it, you're a contrarian
>>129875659Well? Which orchestra is he better with?
>>129875675There's nothing contrarian about having an ear for a better performance. Most diehard Carlos fans know that his studio performances never captured him at his best; he was notoriously antsy and too stiff in the studio, as a result of his high demands and heavy insecurity. >>129875684He has a few with the Bayerisches Staatsorchester, all of which are live and in stereo. I think they're less stiff, better balanced, and, frankly, are easier on the ears by comparison to DG's glassy digital sound. His most exciting performance is with the Berliner Philharmoniker, but that's also in mono and is recorded behind the orchestra, so the balances are a bit off. That concert also has a positively insane Coriolan Overture, which very aptly fulfills Carlos' description of conducting the Berliners: >like running into a wall at 60 MPH with a Rolls Royce.
Bach sucks, sounds like you are listening to AI generated music, totally soulless
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_b2Y5py-w&list=OLAK5uy_mnet2I6uGM1-AfdG-QncDQLQYtvqaOEU4&index=4
>>129876102Feinberg's Beethoven is so fucking good
>>129876078I will find you and I will kill you.
The fuck is tonality, why can't they just use a church mode but base the tone around a certain key? Why is there only major and minor
>>129876103https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3FTid6-2rUyeah, shame he didn't record more of em
>>129876195Because the tonic triad can only be either major or minor. There are modes, and they're used often, but they're all either major or minor.
>>129876316Dont major and minor have to have a tonal center? Like D dorian is C major but what happens when you cadence to D
>>129876195Because only in major and minor can you build a dominant seventh chord on the fifth scale degree.
For me, it's Christa Ludwighttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXk2GQIa10I&list=OLAK5uy_mPhXM2TdUV4R1WWfmd8-jgZR48EDE74HE&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av4UXL4oe5s&list=OLAK5uy_mPhXM2TdUV4R1WWfmd8-jgZR48EDE74HE&index=3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWdNvw6rbew&list=OLAK5uy_mPhXM2TdUV4R1WWfmd8-jgZR48EDE74HE&index=4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHUIqhykbdk&list=OLAK5uy_mPhXM2TdUV4R1WWfmd8-jgZR48EDE74HE&index=7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-cm-XyniOA&list=OLAK5uy_mPhXM2TdUV4R1WWfmd8-jgZR48EDE74HE&index=10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwQ2VRAuxJE&list=OLAK5uy_mPhXM2TdUV4R1WWfmd8-jgZR48EDE74HE&index=22https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRBSy9z2Z64&list=OLAK5uy_mPhXM2TdUV4R1WWfmd8-jgZR48EDE74HE&index=23
>>129876361Ok I think I get it
>>129876337Everything tonal has to have a tonal center.>Like D dorian is C major but what happens when you cadence to DSounds like Dorian. Lol. Don't know what else there is to say.
*steals the /classical/ general's Rheingold*
now playingstart of Schoenberg: Violin Concerto, Op. 36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de5PaxlvyJc&list=OLAK5uy_k7ptqBRHHGzMfidM8q9pmM_Ad3vfhqHro&index=2start of Sibelius: Violin Concerto in D Minor, Op. 47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06WmTl_d1FM&list=OLAK5uy_k7ptqBRHHGzMfidM8q9pmM_Ad3vfhqHro&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k7ptqBRHHGzMfidM8q9pmM_Ad3vfhqHro>Few would argue that Schönberg's Violin Concerto makes for easy listening. Its angular expressions, weird, heavenly decoration and the long solos that seem designed to maim the violinist can be, simply, too much. Hilary Hahn, on this new CD, plays the work as if it were an outgrowth of Romanticism (which it is), rather than the start of a musical revolution (which it also was) and the result is lyrical, songlike, and, well, Romantic. Yes, the 12-tone thorniness is clear, but each melody makes sense not only within itself, but throughout the whole concerto. If the first movement puzzles, the Andante sounds practically like a Viennese Waltz and the finale is not only like a feat by a virtuoso, but a culmination. This is the most approachable performance of this work available. The Sibelius concerto gets a fine if unusual reading. Hahn plays it with a Nordic coolness; the first movement's long melodies have less passion than the listener will be accustomed to and even the finale, normally played with somewhat of a bellicose nature, comes off without much heat. But it certainly cannot be faulted as sheer gorgeous playing and neither can Esa-Pekka Salonen's accompaniments. -- Robert Levine
The Brahms fog is dissipating.
>>129876817Finally, I can see!
Lucia Popp has the funnest name to say in all of classical musicLucia POPP
>>129875439Halfway through this. It's typical Bernstein: indulgent, perverse, completely contrary to the intent of the composer and the spirit of the piece.And fuckin' glorious.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoRjhySweKw&list=OLAK5uy_m4J7kAeRM7dOSnJg_e8RiHVwhKl2lzuJU&index=15
Thoughts?
>>129877021Indulgent, perverse, completely contrary to the intent of the composer and the spirit of the piece.And I hate it.But, like with all Bernstein, some people seem to love it, so sure, give it a try. For me, Tchaikovsky needs some verve. The slow pastoral approach to that level completely ruins it. Same with Bernstein's disgusting Vienna Brahms cycle.
>>129877033I don't care for anything else Bernstein but he just WORKS for Tchaikovsky 6
>>129876981yikes
>>129877040All I know is every six months or so I think, "y'know, maybe I've changed my mind on those DG Bernstein Tchaikovsky recordings, let's try them again" and I end up turning it off within ten minutes it's so unlistenable.Like I said, love-it-or-hate-it. Maybe I'll love it on my next attempt!For the slower tempo Tchaikovsky, I think Rostropovich, Pletnev, and especially Bichkov do a much better job, particularly because they aren't Bernstein-indulgent in their slowness.
>>129877056Mind-blowing, right? Makes me wanna revisit his Handel Messiah and Bach St Matthew Passion, two other vocal works where he pretty much does the same thing.
>>129877061I'll have to check out those. I haven't listened to the other Tchaikovsky symphonies with Bernstein, I typical go for Mravinsky.
Marc-André Hamelin's performances always sound 'modern'. Even when he's playing Liszt, I don't feel like I'm hearing an authentic romantic sound.
>>129877425He's an exceptional technically adept pianist, whose deft fingers can make even the most difficult Liszt of Chopin work sound easy. But, yes, he's incredibly dull overall as an interpreter. I usually don't listen to him outside of extremely virtuosic repertoire, and even then when there aren't that many other options. Like some of Godowsky's stuff, for instance.
Grieghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6EHOh-Xqz4
Retard here, can someone help me understand what's the difference between polyphony and a counterpoint?
i listened to strauss' operas all day and now im schizo helphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2rDQOV8944&list=OLAK5uy_lVdUYC3hNJyHhYNMekc_g1PpkCuhHG1ns&index=3
It's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C1_puvcKZk&list=OLAK5uy_kAT2ppuHtBv8ekg2Zi0xHnTIYiQOyc3d4&index=145
>>129877924Listen to Rosenkavalier instead of Elektra and you should return to normal.
>Forgotten Melodies, Alexander Malofeev’s debut for Sony Classical, features music by four composers who ultimately spent the rest of their lives away from their birthplace. His curation of works by Glinka, Glazunov, Medtner, and Rachmaninoff reflects an interesting idea of nostalgia — not necessarily for a homeland, but for what he describes in the booklet as a kind of lost dream world.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaAfTc66i9Q&list=OLAK5uy_nwJFyX0gxO7a7s3m-rGeLrurMHJgT-gqI&index=1Neat collection of Russian solo piano music.
guess I'll try that Serafin/Tebaldi/Bergonzi recording of Puccini's Madama Butterfly one more timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hap3DPMk92E&list=OLAK5uy_lGL8kMCFAWHTqvCxxMNhPRFG_HOYkHjo0&index=18good night
