We're in a post-innovation state of music. every sound and combination of sounds has been done.
Mark Fisher was right
>>129894566>Then, a year or two later, during the last summer of Brahms’s life, Mahler’s prospects of going to Vienna as Director of the Vienna Court Opera began to increase. But he still needed Brahms’s support, so he visited the great man at Bad Ischl in Austria. As the two of them walked along the Traunsee, Brahms lamented the state of modern music and said that as far as he was concerned music was now dead. They crossed a bridge and Mahler took Brahms’s arm, pointing into the flowing stream below. "Look, Herr Doktor, look," he said wryly. "There goes the last wave!"
yes. but the rise of AI will bring new unexpected developments in music
>>129894674AI can't produce a waveform that FM synthesis hasn't already created
>>129894574Mark Fisher was a brainwashed communist.
>>129894574he was shit at music
there is a concept in literature called "Dionysian imitatio", it was created by the greeks, is basically means to rip off an older author to create are, you dissect a bunch of authors and you take themes, subjects, style, etc. you put it back together like a Frankenstein monster and you now have something original the idea of orginality is a romantic concept born in the 1800s during the romantic era, the idea of a lone genuis creating something new.but for centuries before that people just ripped off and stole from each other, dionysian imitatio.the only musician who understands that is bob dylan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysian_imitatio>Latin orators and rhetoricians adopted the literary method of Dionysius' imitatio and discarded Aristotle's mimesis; the imitation literary approach is closely linked with the widespread observation that "everything has been said already", which was also stated by Egyptian scribes around 2000 BCE. The ideal aim of this approach to literature was not originality, but to surpass the predecessor by improving their writings and set the bar to a higher level.[1] A prominent Latin follower of Dionysius was Quintilian, who shared with him the view of imitatio as the practice that leads to an historical progress of literature over time
>>129894566>farts in your mouth and slams your head into a wallthere's your new sound, bitch
>>129894842ntayrt Those sounds aren't new anon, not only have they been around for millennia, but many old songs have already included them, that's not breaking new ground.
>>129894566wronghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luQIkjJQdlA
>>129894836when it comes to music, this is even more trueall music is made by taking an existing song and changing it
>>129895060thanks for the chuckle anon
>>129894836language is different from pure audio though because it is derived from it, in a sense language is just a fraction of music and the possible audio spectrum
>>129895060nothing new about a single sound in this.
It is hard to even accurately express in human languages how retarded this all is.The numbers involved, and the amount of possibilities, are fucking astronomical.A human mind can't even properly comprehend such things.
>>129894836>you dissect a bunch of authors and you take themes, subjects, style, etc. you put it back together like a Frankenstein monster and you now have something originalThat's exactly how I write music. Thanks for posting so I know what it's actually called.for example, I took a rock song I like, changed the time signature from 6/8 to 4/4, changed the key, made it four chords instead of two, and changed the melody to fit all these changes. You would never tell unless I took you through each step, even if I personally think it's still a bit obvious.
>>129894674No it won't, these song AIs are trained on existing music.
>>129894684>musical innovation = FM synthesisAutism
The real redpill is that music has never been innovative and you were just an NPC the whole time. Now that all the journos and reviewers have embraced poptimism, no one is telling you that something is "new" anymore.
>>129896123Peak dunning krueger. What the sound represents to the audience is what matters in language, literature, and music not the sound itself.
>>129901389Not so trueFor example, Aphex Twin used to make his beats by going out in the city and just recording random sounds then using them as samples to create percussive effects.Which is why a lot of his stuff hasn't aged so badly, as it doesn't sound like whatever samples were available in some standard library for synths.
>>129901407You're talking about replay value, not innovation
>>129901423It's both.He pioneered this technique in electronic music and the music was occasionally memorable enough too. That innovation might have contributed to what made his music age not so badly. Which is rare in electronic music, typically it ages the worst of all genres
>>129901484>He pioneered this technique in electronic musicdepeche mode did that in the early 80s
>>129894566If your definition of innovation is "finding new sounds and combinations of sounds", then you have an extremely limited grasp of music and are a midwit. That said, you're right that we're in a post-innovation state of music.
