How many people are going about life listening to music without realizing just how good it can be? I never realized how good music could be until I listened to pic rel. How many people are listening to top 40 on autopilot and only kind of enjoying it, but not knowing how much more they could enjoy their music?
>>12992773099% of the population.
>>129927730The rat race folks at large
>>129927730Most classical is good music, but it's held back by the limited instrumentation and weak rhythms. And yes, I know there are exceptions, but most exceptions are unlistenable modern art crap. Jazz improved on classical by adding strong rhythms, and jazz fusion improved on jazz by adding variety to the instrumentation. Despite this, I listen to more classical than jazz fusion simply because there's so much good classical out there.
>>129928542Classical music is infinitely more inclusive in its instrumentation than Jazz or Jazz fusion. How can you even think that between Bach and Wagner there is a lack of timbral diversity? Just an insanely ignorant opinion. It's the same with rhythm. An enormous diversity in the handling of rhythm. And you think Brahms and Stravinsky are lacking in strong rhythms? You really need to study classical music more.
Listening to Gesang der Juenglinge and feeling so above the hylic dregs of earth my propellor beanie is keeping me in the clouds
>>129927730Tchaikovsky is pretty mid tho
>>129930904t. Pleb
Classical is literally elevator and background music.
>>129928629>infinitely more inclusive in its instrumentationIt lacks the most important instruments (excluding gimmick compositions nobody listens to):>electric guitar>bass guitar>synthesizer>drum kitJazz fusion uses all these while retaining the harmonic sophistication of jazz, making it objectively the best genre.>And you think Brahms and Stravinsky are lacking in strong rhythms?Compared to rock/metal/EDM, yes.
>>129931263Stravinsky is more rhythmically complex than 99% of rock music. Only some metal and prog rock is even in the same ballpark.
>>12992776399% of the population aren’t listening to music, anon. certainy not shitty us chart music. zoomers are as broke as boomers with the cynicism
>>129927730When you say "good", do you mean the symphony itself, or this particular interpretation by Leonard Bernstein (and the New York Philharmonic)?And yes, it's a huge difference, and your intelligence will be judged depending on how you answer my question,
>>129931291>rhythmically complexStrong rhythm = loud repetitive banging noises. Complexity doesn't matter. Loud repetitive banging noises make music exciting. Classical cannot do this properly because concert halls have too much reverb.
>>129931559So you're just complaining that classical isn't rock music?
>>129927730Post yt link please! I wanna listen to this but I see so many different versions on YouTube. I don't know which one I should pick.
>>129931559it's called a refined taste. Maybe you think putting ten spoons of sugar in your coffee tastes great, but you cover up the taste of coffee, Maybe you think, soaking everything in ketchup tastes great, but it tastes only like ketchup if you do that.Everything deep and good needs a bit of patience and effort to get into. The solution is not to force yourself to enjoy it, though. You'll realize when your time has come.I couldn't get into classical music as well, now I think there's nothing better and more sincere.And I always thought that it's just unlikely that people who dedicate their life to music and have the deepest understanding of it find enjoyment in music that is in some way mediocre to rock music. That's actually laughable.Rock and Pop have hardly anything to offer that classical music doesn't do better at least somewhere.I listen to rock and pop as well, but to very selected groups and pieces that can somehow convey a similarily sincere feeling and message.The Beethoven piano sonatas alone give you enough enjoyment for a lifetime.
>>129933634>piano sonatasSolo piano is not enjoyable. Piano isn't expressive enough to stand alone. It's intentionally designed this way. The action disconnects the keys from the hammers each time so all you can control is how hard to hit them (pedals are just a performance aid to simulate extra fingers, half-pedaling is a rarely used extended technique). Piano concertos > piano sonatas.
>>129927730Seems to me that you were always listening to shit music
>>129927730boooring zzzzzz
>>129933053Listen to OP's pic
>>129927730Damn this was fucking boring. What to listen for something similar to waltz of flowers
>>129927730>How many people are going about life listening to music without realizing just how good it can be? I never realized how good music could be until I listened to pic rel.I'm a big Tchaikovsky fan but never warmed up to the Pathétique. I prefer the ballets, swan lake for example. And the concertos.
>>129928542>Most classical is good music, but it's held back by the limited instrumentation and weak rhythms.limited instrumentation... yeah man, unlike jazz that uses drums, bass, piano, saxophone or trumpet, and the occasional guitar or organ. Unlimited instrumentation in jazz!! /sgo away kid
>>129933929>Solo piano is not enjoyable. Piano isn't expressive enough to stand aloneSolo piano is all I listen to (not really, but I do prefer it over orchestral and ensembles).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L31ftDLTloghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mhp7lrYjTwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQDKjDeV5W0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE413i1eAso>half-pedaling is a rarely used extended techniqueAbsolutely not. Only shitters don't pay attention to how much they're pedalling.My piano teacher's teacher wrote a book and developed their own notation to indicate even finer degrees of pedaling than just full, half, and off.
>>129938584>drumsThe most important instrument of all. BTFOs orchestra percussion.>bassOrchestral upright bass is usually played bowed, which misses the essential bass character.>pianoNot a good instrument, but it's rarely played solo so the other instruments can cover its weaknesses.>saxophoneThe king of woodwinds. Second only to electric guitar in expressiveness. Rarely used in classical.>trumpetMediocre brass, but jazz at least uses mutes for increased expression, which classical almost never does.
>>129939482There's like 5 jazz fusion bands. Check and mate.
>>129927730i think all classical music is shit quite honestly. just because you really enjoy it doesnt make it superior to other forms of music. also im an old fag been collecting music since 1990 so im not a little kid
>>129933929yes, that makes the piano a very special instrument, because it creates an illusion of dynamic. That doesn't mean it's not enjoyable. It's very dumb to think millions of educated people finding deep enjoyment in Bach's, Beethoven's and Schubert's piano works somehow fake their emotions. In fact chamber music is the deeper music, because it allows composers a more direct way to convey their ideas.The piano has the limitations that you describe, but the art of playing the piano is to overcome these limitations and make them into a strength, that strength being to create an illusion that can transport any emotion or musical idea.
>>129939736The piano didn't exist during Bach's lifetime, lol.
>How many people are going about life listening to music without realizing just how good it can be?Holy main character syndrome lmao
