I am in love with Edith Mathis editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-L7WBx57EYThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129902907
Young conductors don't know their professionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyBPZY8oMl8
>>129930182>I always get a laugh every time Goodall is mentioned just because I remember that he was a devoted Nazi and holocaust denier for his entire life and no one seemed to care.wait whaaat
Basic Errors of Today's Specialists of so-called Authentic Performance Practicehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_BBwGpN0ak
>>129930594It's just innocuously sitting on his wikipedia bio as if there's nothing strange about it.
>>129930594>>129930650when you're talented enough they let you get away with ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJRxlzTEKA8&list=OLAK5uy_nevn2_pvsNVTR3OAVcR_szQLZNEnmFgik&index=5his Tristan is in the top five recordings ever tbqh. his Ring and Parsifal I'm still deciding on
I am in love with Scriabin.
feels like a Tannhauser -> Gotterdammerung -> Parsifal dayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHawNTIfFqI&list=OLAK5uy_k1VOKTJtEEGwTltjdOtQkgnzVpaqm7m-g&index=1Such a shame Sinopoli didn't record all of Wagner's other operas (he has a recording of The Flying Dutchman). Whenever I see this kind of situation, where a big-name conductor records only one major work of a great composer, I always wonder the circumstances behind it -- did they only like the one work (as is the case with Bernstein and Bruckner 9)? did they not think they had anything worthwhile to say about any of the other works (this is, supposedly, why Levine never recorded any Bruckner, because he didn't think he could surpass Karajan [might be apocryphal])? Who knows.
Pollini's Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsnyCAjbpgo&list=OLAK5uy_miiRAYnN8k-oy9p6LydL2bYa70nrHQj4c&index=18
RachAnon, do you have a ranking/tier-list of Rachmaninoff's Preludes and Etudes?
enough with the Wagner spamming. go listen to another composer ffs
>>129931094Sorry anon, I'm hooked. Tomorrow I'll do a Verdi/Puccini day, then after that a Russian opera only day.
Does Puccini like garlic bread?
>>129929173Barbirolli is fantastic in non-English repertoire too, a rare quality in an English conductor, who almost always tend to stick with their own countryman (similar to many Russian conductors).
now playingstart of Schumann: Piano Concerto in A Minor, Op. 54https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6DDXE7GYmk&list=OLAK5uy_l42lXMKvWLOl7zqBpJnrtkEcwHcmOZY-g&index=2start of Schumann: Violin Concerto in D Minor, WoO 23https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyTnEtpTVIU&list=OLAK5uy_l42lXMKvWLOl7zqBpJnrtkEcwHcmOZY-g&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l42lXMKvWLOl7zqBpJnrtkEcwHcmOZY-g
>>129930594not surprised that Goodal was crazy his style was eccentric as hell (and fucking awful, too)
>>129931521You gotta learn to luxuriate in his languid, broad, tranquil soundscape, anon.
>>129931551id rather listen to music with a sense of melody and rythm thank you
>>129931574His Gotterdammerung runtimes tops off at 312 minutes/5 hours and 12 minutes, lmaohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqWrF7aKsk8&list=OLAK5uy_laMGm6pRXS753PXodJLNbWuVqEss2Ea5Y&index=1his Tristan is bomb though, and people seem to rate both his Ring and Parsifal highly. But I understand not liking them and his approach.
>>129931617Jesus fucking Christ that's a whole hour over Keilberth. It's considerably slower than even Kna.
>>129931632you WILL luxuriate! bathe in the slow waves of Wagnerian strings and winds!
Favorite recording of Schumann's Fantasie in C, Op. 17? Here's three great ones,Andsneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ7hE4lQAYsAnnie Fischerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77m5DlCJ6wkand, of course, Richterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEjhA3QVdJA
Top 40 Bach Cantatas (Unified Must-Listen List)#01 BWV 140#02 BWV 147#03 BWV 80#04 BWV 82#05 BWV 106#06 BWV 4#07 BWV 78#08 BWV 12#09 BWV 21#10 BWV 29#11 BWV 110#12 BWV 61#13 BWV 36#14 BWV 66#15 BWV 34#16 BWV 30#17 BWV 172#18 BWV 119#19 BWV 194#20 BWV 76#21 BWV 182#22 BWV 149#23 BWV 130#24 BWV 57#25 BWV 35#26 BWV 169#27 BWV 54#28 BWV 51#29 BWV 199#30 BWV 170#31 BWV 8#32 BWV 105#33 BWV 46#34 BWV 95#35 BWV 27#36 BWV 39#37 BWV 65#38 BWV 41#39 BWV 68#40 BWV 104
>>129931028No. Do you mean performance sets or the individual pieces?
>>129931905Moiseiwitsch by far obviously.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfGmISHll84
>>129930684Too slow. Any Tristan over 4 hours is getting the boot, no matter how well sung.
>>129931905https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WLCkyU74wA
Les Troyens
>>129932193>>129932258I'll agree with these. Backhaus has a very good early one too.
>>129932178Individual pieces. Best Preludes or Etudes to the worst (ie least good) ones.
>>129925893>no solo piano musicdismissed
[Editor's Caption: the kitty hears Bach's Goldberg Variations playing softly in the distance on piano, and experiences her first taste of the sublime, miraculously transforming her into a self-aware proletarian subject with class consciousness, free from the stranglehold of false capitalist ideology; thanks to Bach's angelic music, she will spend the rest of her life fighting for labor rights and economic equality, and against the oppressive, wealthy elites]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzKl121n3Jw&list=OLAK5uy_lDPSgCjgjxFJ7xfZmSbpOfdx3cqaqGr54&index=26
>>129932222b-b-but anon...
So anyone peep the new Mahler 7 from Paavo Jarvi/Tonhalle-Orchester Zurich?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njehvcLk6WA&list=OLAK5uy_nw8fE5qQzffuUGmUarAxovw7JL4kYvQZ8&index=1Also, if your browser has a translate function, check out this interview with Paavo Jarvi about his Mahler cycle in progress, it has some great tidbits, thoughts, and quotes,https://tonhalle-orchester.ch/news/paavo-jaervi-interview-mahler-zyklus/>Paavo, why is it time for Mahler now?>To me, Mahler sums up all the music history that came before him, a lot of people have realized that, Leonard Bernstein was arguably the first to say it. Mahler was perhaps really the last great symphonist We could talk about Shostakovich, about Prokofiev And of course there are others, I don't want to deny them anything. But this type of symphonic tradition in German-speaking countries ended with Mahler, although the word «end» doesn't actually fit: after a performance of Mahler's music, I always have the feeling that it could take another step forward, that another level could be explored – this feeling has accompanied me for 15 years since I first did a Mahler cycle in Frankfurt. And now, with the Tonhalle Orchestra Zurich, I have musicians*at my side who can really take this step. They understand this kind of depth and virtuosity and bring with them the agogical understanding, to get very close to Mahler's inner world.well said, Paavo
>>129932572Yup. Too slow. Much as I admire Furtwangler's Wagner at times, he was too slow. I even find his Rome Ring too slow. He tempi became much slower in those works after 1950, when his health started to decline. He did an earlier Tristan und Isolde live for which we have Act 2 complete on record, and it's one of the fastest performed, and is absolutely electrifying. I don't consider his post-50s Wagner to be an accurate representation of his style in Wagner desu. The Die Walkure is alright, I guess. It's not that slow and is still amazingly sung.>>129932736I wrote this about the performance: >Järvi's Mahler 7 is likely the best of his cycle so far. The audio quality is good, especially for a modern recording, and the playing is, as expected, effortless, if a little generic. The balances aren't quite to my liking -- a little more wind focus in the tuttis would have been nice -- and he still uses the inferior orchestral layout that combines the first and second violin sections, robbing us of Mahler's rich antiphonal effects. I have seen some critics (like David Hurwitz) comment that this is too quick a reading, and honestly, I have to question their judgment; this is above average in tempo for a modern recording, yes, but in the overall discography it still leans toward average. There are many faster readings, some of which the aforementioned critic(s) have lavished with unabashed praise, so I do not understand the criticism. It is true that Järvi tends to underplay tempo fluctuations at a few points (the first movement coda comes to mind), but, if anything, I welcome such an interpretive change from the mainstream. Most conductors tend to stretch out Mahler's instructions to the point of exaggeration. But I digress; this is a fairly solid recording in the modern tradition.
>>129932410I'll make one, which one you'd prefer? Maybe I'll even do both sometime.
>>129932794>I wrote this about the performance:Nice! I like it. The 7th works best with a bit of speed and verve, imo. The soundscape approach exemplified by Bernstein and Chailly and of course Klemperer and many others is no doubt valid, but I think it sounds best when it's a little waltzy -- not a nighttime soundscape, but a dreamy adventure.
>>129932794>Yup. Too slow. Much as I admire Furtwangler's Wagner at times, he was too slow. I even find his Rome Ring too slow. He tempi became much slower in those works after 1950, when his health started to decline.B-B-BUT ANON...!Nah, I appreciate you have your preference. I always forget how relatively fast Bohm's is. At three-and-a-half it's a substantial difference. Not even Janowski is that quick!
>>129932816Up to you, it's your list(s)! I'd just figured since you have one for the Nocturnes, maybe you'd have one for Rachmaninoff too. I figured you enjoy making lists as much as I do.
>>129932794>>129932834correction: not a dreamy soundscape, but a nocturnal adventure*That wording works better, lol.
>The TC Top 200 Recommended Post-1950 Works ListWell? How many have you listened to, anon? You *are* cultured and into classical music, aren't you? So you should be familiar, and if not, work on becoming familiar with these works.
>>129933031It really is astonishing that Ligeti's Requiem can be utilized so many times and have such a hold on pop culture, and yet you still hear something new every time you listen to it. There’s a 50 year graveyard of pieces that try to emulate Ligeti’s micropolyphonic music, but can you imagine being the first person to write like that? There was zero precedent for music like that before Ligeti. He expressed emotions that had never been expressed before in art. It’s also astonishing that after centuries of Catholic tradition, a Transylvanian Jew came along and beat every previous composer at their own game. Ligeti wrote the greatest requiem of all time despite viewing the religious tradition behind the form as, at best, a fascination. If anything, that distance is key: Ligeti understood Catholicism as a vehicle for complex horrors, which is the perfect foundation for a work informed by his experience during the Holocaust. I don’t think a true believer could have done that as effectively.
>>1299330316 at most. Didn't find any of them to be good enough.
>>129933114How can you find them not good enough without listening to them
>>129933513I believe they mean of the six they listened to.
Does Scriabin moisturize his hands before shaking the hand of Nicholas II?
>>129934071Not sure, but he usually applies vaseline before preparing Borscht after his piano sesh (practicing the 8th).
any other classical album covers I should hang on my wall to match my Sofronitsky Scriabin Recital poster?
I wanna feel those fingers of Scriabin and have him chuckle softly. My beloved Alexander Nikolayevich
Chad Liszt vs Virgin Chopin
Strauss' Elektra is a real kick in the ass. In a good way!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrN3a--lvP8&list=OLAK5uy_kj08xPEjCFhIAMPuZVtpLKdp4rfUMK4MA&index=1
>the best Bach interpreters are CanadiansWtf why is this?
>>129935223but Simon Preston was English?
>>129933031where the fuck is Schnittke's choir concerto
a true fan of the Ring has edited his favorite recording from multiple different ones in audacity
a true fan of the Ring only listens to it live in Beyreuth
Mussorgskyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gap4MNSlJLI&list=OLAK5uy_kxfBOTT3knP_lGECvfWrr_29gYttpAv18&index=19
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YTkw06FpyM
>>129935672It would appear to be #129 on the larger list.
Swiss cheese pussy kept a man sane
>mfw composers don't write poetry for their compositions to explain the meaning of them>mfw other composers don't write masterpieces they immediately forget about only to be reminded by a pianist playing it in the other room>mfw germcels can't write erotic music
>Baroque is King>Renaissance is queenIs there a more beautiful feeling than the ecstasy and spiritual renewal composers like Bach, Zelenka, Vivaldi, Morales, Lassus, Palestrina, and De Rore can give you?
Mozart is chopped, listen to my nigga Haydn and his Spanish flavored sun kissed homie Boccherini
>>129930452Listened to William Walton's Cello Concerto yesterday and can highly recommend it. Written in 1957 but it's a very romantic piece. If anyone can recommend their favorite recording(s) that would be great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVO_CevHNnM
>>129936355Do you think he would enjoy his hair being washed gently?
>>129936510probably this onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6p9u4gqzmE&list=OLAK5uy_nn7USfkLBeNrCOVnITalQX0gsJsBEplCQ&index=6Alternatively, Yo-Yo Ma/Previnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wzDFAQFXyM&list=OLAK5uy_mTLOeRoZriHmt7v2gF6iiJREADbbLJ5zI&index=4
Can't believe Beethoven said Spohr were too dissonant and then he writes the Grosse Fugue.
>tfw no mozart cello concerto>tfw no beethoven cello concerto>tfw no brahms cello concerto>tfw no mendelssohn cello concertowhy live
>>129927442What's the context of the "not an aria" comment?
>tfw listening to a recording and notice the performer has the same last name of an ex and it makes me sadsigh
>>129936355>>mfw other composers don't write masterpieces they immediately forget about only to be reminded by a pianist playing it in the other roomExpand on that
>mfw an opera singer says you're not meant to be able to understand the words when i can understand every word in old opera recordings
>>129937938That really happen? Makes me feel better about listening to Peter Grimes and not understanding a word.>Peter Griiiimes!>Peter Grimes! We-are-here-to-[gibberish continues]or any other English language opera.
>>129937966>That really happen?Unfortunately yes, it's the excuse all opera singers use today. Meanwhile you listen to any opera singer from the 20s or 30s and their diction is as clear as ordinary speech.
So now that the dust has settled, we all agree this is the greatest recording of Beethoven's Violin Concerto, right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFP1eqOviqk&list=OLAK5uy_kOGXRNBvHpyO4JMdnph5G42E0hP5sLWes&index=1Greater than Karajan/Mutter, greater than Bernstein/Stern, greater than Munch/Heifetz, greater than Cluytens/Oistrakh, greater than Steinberg/Milstein, greater than Haitink/Szeryng, or whatever other option, despite these and many others being great and worthwhile.
>>129937980They had to differentiate themselves somehow I suppose.
>>129932816Also, if you do make a list, I should warn you of the power and responsibility you wield, for whichever pieces you put in the top tier will forever imprint themselves onto my subconscious, and for the rest of time whenever I listen to Rachmaninoff's Preludes or Etudes and get to those specific pieces, my mind will pay closer attention and most likely react, "huh, these are the best ones"
now playingstart of Mendelssohn: String Quintet No. 1 in A Major, Op. 18, MWV R 21https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30r-OgZRAkY&list=OLAK5uy_nIVkQOax9mUTLt2dmZrg0tjMeuWEIrTdY&index=2start of Mendelssohn: String Quintet No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 87, MWV R 33https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkfTRHm3cL8&list=OLAK5uy_nIVkQOax9mUTLt2dmZrg0tjMeuWEIrTdY&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nIVkQOax9mUTLt2dmZrg0tjMeuWEIrTdY>The Doric String Quartet is firmly established as one of the leading quartets of it's generation, receiving enthusiastic responses from audiences and critics around the globe. Following their acclaimed recordings of Mendelssohn's string quartets, here they are joined by leading violist Timothy Rideout for this album of his two string quintets. Mendelssohn's two String Quintets were written at the beginning and end of his short but remarkable compositional life. No 1 was written in 1826, shortly before the Overture to 'A Midsummer Night's Dream', when Mendelssohn was just seventeen. No.2 was written in 1845, when he was thirty-six, a year before the premier of Elijah and just two years before his death.Much like Mendelssohn's charming two cello sonatas, I often forget these two string quintets exist, which is a shame because they are some of the finest in all the chamber music repertoire. I also often forget about his two piano concertos but they aren't really worth remembering lol.
>>129937938Modern opera singers are the biggest copers. It's really quite sad how they can't come to terms with the fact that they don't even have a quarter of the talent of old singers.
>>129938075That sounds discouraging. Our tastes might not align and I hope you're not missing out on op.15 and op.32 nocturnes because I ranked them lower compared to op.62 and op.55 that would be a crime. However I appreciate your trust and I shall make one for preludes.
>Verdi—AidaA great ruckus.
Boccherini (underrated)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VPz1jquFmo
>>129937866a mozart cello concerto would be too good for mankind and we simply don't deserve it
>>129935716sorry but I don't care for Hotter or Varnay
>Boccherini >Cuck chair
>>129939611yeah it's amazing
Is it Cree-do or Cred-o?
>>129940117It would probably be as generic, cheesy and forgettable as his violin concertos.He should've just composed more minor key piano concertos, we don't need anything else.
>>129940740bait should be believable
>>129940740
>>129940748Dogma should be defensibleRitual should be repeatableLiturgy should be legibleBelief should be beautifulWhat fulfils these conditions in the decadent modern world in which "God is Dead"? Answer: the holy poetry of Richard Wagner and his "Sacred Festival Stage Play" which transforms and supersedes religion.https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg?list=PL_Cf5Xxn5OZY1gE9zsWHAjXz6MVz9IZYS
Let's say I'm taking Scriabin to the dentist. What flavor of toothpaste would he enjoy?
>>129940740dumb teenager
I'm the Meistersinger
>>129942559shut up Beckmesser
So I felt like listening to Mendelssohn's 3rd and 4th, and I searched on Amazon for a new recording, and instead what I found was a new Nelsons' Mendelssohn set, that not only includes the symphonies, but Elijah and Paulus as well!It doesn't appear to be on YouTube Music yet so I can't link or listen, but I am very excited, should be great. About time for Mendelssohn's oratorios get some of the renown they so rightfully deserve.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uodyjwSpDus&list=OLAK5uy_lWOSsQvOQt0Q6Ddfgmmbdn9suFfX8uRig&index=1
>Peter Schreier
>>129943118truth nuke: the conductors/conducting is of more importance than the singers/singing in vocal works
Truth nuke: the recording engineer/equipment is of more importance than the conductor/conducting in classical works.
Peter Schreier and Andras Schiff performing Schubert liederhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbpP-U8ChnI&list=OLAK5uy_nKDhTYSFX5X_T8EiGFAUiYLd25MPTZGds&index=1
In case any newbies are here, this is the essential set to have for Brahms' string quartets/quintets/sextetshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7gd54SVp-Y&list=OLAK5uy_k6DH3crcyUpM9iXdk6Qr340W8AIk2frUk&index=20
I'm giving Scriabin mint toothpaste when he's at the dentist.
>>129943237lay off the meth, anon, it's doing disagreeable, noxious things to your brain
>>129943260Why the fuck would anyone do meth? Scriabin would not approve of meth. Would he?
>>129943137here's your (You)
>>129942842>but I am very excited, should be greatWhy? Nelsons is mid as shit. >>129943137A bad conductor and orchestra can be saved by great singers, but a great conductor and orchestra cannot save a performance tainted by terrible singers.
>>129943812don't bother, you're likely responding some monolinguist who doesn't pay attention to the singing because they don't know the language lol
>>129943812>Why? Nelsons is mid as shit.I'm not so much excited for his performance of the symphonies as I am for a big budget, new recording of Elias/Elijah and Paulus. Plus the Gewandhaus always sound great.
>>129943812>>129944120I listened to and quite enjoyed this recording last night, in which I found the conducting to be the star of the show. Granted, I may be biased because I do enjoy modern opera/Wagnerian singing, unlike most here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nguaBg1GYs&list=OLAK5uy_k93gZdsQpS16SHApqUgzPKJ6gWrDq2iXg&index=4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px7_Lz2MjLs&list=OLAK5uy_k93gZdsQpS16SHApqUgzPKJ6gWrDq2iXg&index=21https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGtazruZsHI&list=OLAK5uy_k93gZdsQpS16SHApqUgzPKJ6gWrDq2iXg&index=29https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VBGYptUCcw&list=OLAK5uy_k93gZdsQpS16SHApqUgzPKJ6gWrDq2iXg&index=33https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efamvAFTtdo&list=OLAK5uy_k93gZdsQpS16SHApqUgzPKJ6gWrDq2iXg&index=53I mean it's not a 10/10, but a 7.5 or even 8 I'd be happy to revisit in the future? Sure.
I don't get this generals obsession with Wagner. Im going in raw to the Rheingold but I doubt Ill like it too much, too much fat ladies wailing
>>129944575>HeiAhAHahAHaHAhAhAhaAhAHaHaHa--otter...Complete fucking dogshit.
>>129944602You have to be into opera, though even if you aren't, his overtures and preludes are still very good. Anyway, the main impetus for his discussion here, beyond the love of his music many of us have, is that there's a lot of things to discuss -- various recordings, the state of modern opera singing, the plot, the man himself, the singers, the staging. Same reason we discuss Mahler and Bruckner more than we discuss, say, Beethoven, Brahms, and Mozart, because again, there's more interesting and divisive variety in the recordings to talk about.
>>129944609Don't really hear what's special about the conducting either. Sounds pretty soft edged and flabby.
>>129944635? It's the opposite. There's an edge, a poetic, delicate aggression. Makes it exciting and distinctive, yet without any loss of depth and three-dimensionality like certain some others who go for the aggressive approach. It's like Haitink but, instead of perfunctory and dull, with edge and guts.
>>129944635>>129944684Try a couple of those links. If you still don't care for it, well, then, fair enough, this is why we have variety in recordings after all.
>>129944633>You have to be into operaI don't think this is accurate. I never liked opera and Wagner immediately blew me away.
>>129944787Maybe I should have stated into opera/vocal (non-choral) music. Some people are utterly turned off by vocals in classical music. I used to be, I get it. But I suppose you're bound to find an exception or a work that awakens you to it. And I suppose Wagnerian singing is distinctive, so I can understand liking him but not, say, Puccini or Verdi or whatever, though I think it should mean you can at least get into the operas of Strauss and Mozart.
Backhaus' Beethoven11th, Op. 22https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KejHnOzm8s&list=OLAK5uy_lERwjwx0bBOki3BE8CqdGpNXNOkgmTAcU&index=3712th, Op. 26 "Funeral March"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCJsrEQo6ag&list=OLAK5uy_lERwjwx0bBOki3BE8CqdGpNXNOkgmTAcU&index=4113th, Op. 27 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zum0fmTg78&list=OLAK5uy_lERwjwx0bBOki3BE8CqdGpNXNOkgmTAcU&index=4514th, Op. 27 No. 2 "Moonlight"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziZv-gA5NzQ&list=OLAK5uy_lERwjwx0bBOki3BE8CqdGpNXNOkgmTAcU&index=4915th, Op. 28 "Pastorale"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeTZM52WsRA&list=OLAK5uy_lERwjwx0bBOki3BE8CqdGpNXNOkgmTAcU&index=51Love this cycle.
Holllywood could rake in milions if they made a high budget Ring Cycle. They don't know what they are missing out on
>>129944989converted to a musical, written by Lin-Manuel Miranda, taking place in the streets of Chicago
>>129944989>Brunnhilde
>>129945065>mfw there's already a Marvel "Brunnhilde"The memes write themselves.
>>129944684>poetic, delicateNice way to say soft edged. There is nothing excited about this at all, the attacks of the strings are so legato laden that any sense of rhythm or drama is heavily undercut in the Act 2 drama. Moving on,https://youtu.be/sgpQztiI0Us?t=197Just listen to the end of the final scene where all hell is supposed to breaking loose. What an anti-climax. If I heard this in concert I would boo without hesitation. Where's my double forte? Where's the rhythmic gallop? https://youtu.be/QZ0J249VoYQ?list=OLAK5uy_mVFJ0IchfokdbCO9sxf1kiToxrcXjidmQ&t=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfWPVo28-oUEven Levine's, which is a cycle I really don't like, gets this correct: https://youtu.be/2lUOwmmaOKY?list=PLdY1CsVLZQ3W5JzWDYJphEL9TU__ZkE-r&t=865Most of the major ones mog Young here. Her conducting is boring as shit.
>>129945109also the decision to underplay the rhine/water motif (portrayed here with arpeggiated strings/winds) while bringing forth the curse motif more to forefront seems like seriously bad judgement. It's okay to bring it to the front a bit at first, but the audio/visual depiction of Hagen getting 'dragged' underneath the water to his death is totally lost here, while in you instantly tell what's going in Bohm's. you can really hear the Rhine "eating" up Hagen whole
do you guys actually have all the leitmotifs memorized
>>129945243Don't underestimate the mental illness of a Wagnerian
>>129945109>If I heard this in concert I would boo without hesitation.kekPull a Boulez and shout "Merde!" ?Well, I appreciate you giving it a try and giving your input. Maybe my standards are low because the last two cycles I listened to were Mark Elder and Thielemann, both of whom had very, very safe conducting, so whatever perceived edge in Young's is mostly there by comparison. I still maintain it's solid though. Don't worry, Bohm's will be the next I listen to. It'll be my first re-listen to it.
>>129945243>>129945275There's only like 130 of them at most
>>129945243Keep in mind the leitmotifs don't necessarily need to be consciously recognized. They accomplish their emotional, musical effect in isolation too, ex. the youthful adventurism of Siegfried's or the wise gravitas of Wotan's.
now playingstart of Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D Minor, Op. 70, B. 141https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvl1ryLY8Kk&list=OLAK5uy_naLzkTnBNK9jTtSe74pP2bqnjvPe0bREw&index=10start of Dvorak: Symphony No. 8 in G Major, Op. 88, B. 163https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J_t1OmrY_A&list=OLAK5uy_naLzkTnBNK9jTtSe74pP2bqnjvPe0bREw&index=15start of Dvorak: Symphony No. 9 in E Minor, Op. 95, B. 178 "From the New World"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4na7pOt2cY&list=OLAK5uy_naLzkTnBNK9jTtSe74pP2bqnjvPe0bREw&index=19https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_naLzkTnBNK9jTtSe74pP2bqnjvPe0bREw>Sir Colin Davis's recording of Dvorák's Symphony No 9 was the first title recorded and released on LSO Live, immediately establishing the label's international reputation. In celebration of it's 25th anniversary, LSO Live presents a remastered edition of Dvorák's Symphonies Nos 6-9, recorded with Davis in the label's early years. As one of the leading figures of nationalism in music, Dvorák's symphonies exude the essence of his Czech homeland. The influence of his native Bohemia shines out from every one of the symphonies, which are full of drama and laced with rich folk melodies. These recordings are paired with works by Smetana and Janácek, who also drew on the mythology and pastoral beauty of their beloved country. Janácek's "Sinfonietta" showcases the Czech musical tradition through dancing strings and celebratory brass, while Smetana's six tone poems that form "Má vlast" depict aspects of Czech myth and natural wonders, including the river Vltava as it flows through the countryside and into Prague. The release of this album in 2024 also marks the 200th anniversary of Smetana's birth, the 120th of Dvorák's death, and the 170th of Janácek's birth.I'd be surprised if there was anyone who didn't like Dvorak's final three symphonies.
Scriabin Diner
>>129945710They finally got the light on the letter 'N' fixed?
>>129945517is there like a video with all of them somewhere
>Arabella has gradually become the most popular of Strauss's operas after Der Rosenkavalier and it is not really surprising.huh who would have thoughthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JZh2N0f8wA&list=OLAK5uy_n26trW9FYPfxdWPTFOhQBPqCLwctj4L0g&index=1
do all of the female parts in Strauss' operas have the direction, "hysteria"?
I love you Scriabin
What is similar to this?
>>129946012Check out Bach's other piano music. Well-Tempered Clavier, Art of Fugue, French Suites, English Suites, Partitas, Inventions. Gould has recordings of them all if you particularly like his approach.
>>129946012If you're specifically referring to the variations structure, then Beethoven's Diabelli Variations has the exact same structure, though doesn't quite sound the same as it's from a different era.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PebmYKm-BE4
>>129946012https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FU189_fW7Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAI4-9yc6kAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCmMYh6S5XAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9tbCkACbGUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG367OBh2Sghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiDtLscGnn8
>>129946040>Variations structure Idk what that means but I'll listen to these.
>be at party>"oh yeah I'm a huge fan of [composer]">hour or so later>somebody starts playing a bit of classical>"oh this is great, who is it?">"anon, it's [composer]"my nightmare
>>129945109The specific moment you linked, it is impossible to deny the three you linked did it better.
>>129946081Meant for this too >>129946057>>129946079Thanks
Wherefore does the enchanted forest sing its secrets to me? It tells me now that I am the king of the once and future world. The lark trills, the eagle screams, and the giggling nymphs bathe in the supernaturally blue waters of the Oracular Pool. I step forward to receive their vision, and lo! Ancient dragons, fairy castles! The yodelling bard walks a weary road, calling out for knights of faith to hear his melancholy and redeem the tragic renunciate with a sword of justice! The whole world is lost and reconquered before my very eyes.Alas, it is over too soon! This is but a foretaste of what awaits the pilgrim soul when he surrenders to the genius of Richard Wagner.https://youtu.be/iXUjuxF2oIY
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgmMHtRV_c0
>>129945065>>129945090lmao
>>129946115kekcouldn't be me though, I've memorized every Mozart piece
>>129937224Thank you!
you see, shit like this: >>129946364 is why we have rules 1 and 2.
>>129948257Listen. This is /classical/, not "plebbit". We only discuss patrician refined music here. You are on the wrong bus stop, but instead of being a civil individual and leaving, you are instead creating a "ruckus" for the other waiting passengers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMw0EjLFPXw Wagner showed us the dangers of being a "faustian" man, not with long essays and tedious literature, but with elegant sound and smooth instrumentation. You are the devil, "Mephistopheles" trying to seduce us poor souls into degeneracy.W.
let's get Choralhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a_v7lGgSCc&list=OLAK5uy_nbF7vAcMnuyM5ZxbqkSMiRwxAcp3arSvY&index=57Eight hours of Schubert's secular choral music performed by the talented Arnold Schoenberg Choir, why isn't this recording in your library already!?
speaking of Schubert, now playing, with the new Eric Lu releasestart of Schubert: 4 Impromptus, Op. 90, D. 899https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F2UudZ_6Uk&list=OLAK5uy_nzMAUWmgRtYuXU2XTYxaNg_4Ypftw9SLU&index=2start of Schubert: 4 Impromptus, Op. Posth. 142, D. 935https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHY-W8oO8DE&list=OLAK5uy_nzMAUWmgRtYuXU2XTYxaNg_4Ypftw9SLU&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nzMAUWmgRtYuXU2XTYxaNg_4Ypftw9SLU>Produced during the astonishingly fruitful year before the composer's death aged 31, the Impromptus are short, lyrical miniatures of contrasting mood and character which create a musical narrative whose imaginative reach transports the listener far beyond the 19th-century drawing room. They have been core components of Eric Lu's repertoire for several years, but the pianist decided to wait before recording them. "I have a real sense of a journey with these works, in particular with Op.90, having lived with them intensely in preparation, on stage and, finally, in the recording studio," he says. "For me, the Impromptus are some of the greatest jewels in the piano literature. They are magnificent, deep pieces of music, and the very essence of Schubert."Schubert's Impromptus might be the closest thing we have to heaven on earth.
>tfw tonedeaf
If only recorded audio media existed hundreds of years earlier, if only for the benefit of all the interesting and amusing anecdotes we'd have about certain great figures, particularly musicians and composers.>It is said Scriabin wore out hundreds of LPs of Liszt's Harmonies poétiques et religieuses and Sonata in B minor.>Napoleon famously played Beethoven and Mozart for his troops before every battle.>According to many, Bruckner listened to his Wagner records from the moment he woke up until he fell asleep with the LP still playing on the record player. He listened to Wagner while he ate, composed, and even bathed.stuff like that
>>129948588>While listening to a recording of Beethoven performing his own Ninth Symphony, it is said Furtwangler hastily stood up, wrestled the LP from the record player, and angrily snapped it in half, at which point he furiously proclaimed Beethoven did not have the slightest clue as to how to perform his own music.
>>129948588>On many nights, Rachmaninoff could be heard through his bedroom door listening to recordings of Chopin. On occasion, he would exclaim, "why can't I compose as well as this!?" followed by the sound of an object being thrown against the wall or crashing to the floor.
>>129949071Kwab
>Back in 2013 Giovanni Antonini embarked on Haydn 2032, where, in time for the 300th anniversary of his birth, he would record with the two orchestras he is most associated with all of Haydn’s Symphonies and major choral works interspersed with pieces mainly by the composer’s contemporaries. As of June 2025, they had reached volume 17, Per il Luigi.Has anyone heard any of the recordings in this series? Here's the newest one, Vol. 18, Il maestro di scuolahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gk3uLOLrk8&list=OLAK5uy_lxlERiqoEyUT-y-RnaKed9qJ36ggOAwLk&index=1What's impressive is it appears the conductor still finds time to record other music too.Here's the official site of the project,https://www.haydn2032.com/en/I've never been the biggest fan of Haydn's symphonies, much less the pre-London ones, but this is pretty cool, and figured someone here might find this of interest.
>>129949071>"why can't I compose as well as this!?" followed by the sound of an object being thrown against the wall or crashing to the floor.That would be the reaction of any composer at all listening to Chopin, given that they're honest to themsleves, tbf.
>>129930452Anybody else really fucking hate the harpsichord? It genuinely hinders my enjoyment of baroque music.
>>129951356Nah, it has its charm. I always prefer the piano, but harpsichord has such a unique and lovely timbre, sometimes that's all I want to hear. It has medieval, vampiric aura.
>>129951356Agreed. Piano or avoid.
>>129951356Depends on the harpsichord. Some are pleasant. Some art not.
>>129950897skill issue. I once composed a Chopin style piano piece for an assignment.
>>129951433Doesn't sound medieval to me at all, it's very much a baroque sound.
>>129951501A great composer I should say, since they perceive much more nuance than amateurs like you.
>>129951541>muh it's 2 deep 4 u.please stop worshipping ashes.
>>129949474I'm mixed on them. Some of them are pretty good, some of them have typical problems with period performance (anaemic and inexpressive, overdriven tempos).
>>129951606Get out you shallow midwit normalfag.
>>129952064>gets upset when an actual musician posts in the thread.perhaps it's you who should leave.
Preservation is not the tradition of ashes but the fire of maintenanceEat raw meatDissent against the systemFind on the grailFocus your Vril energyhttps://youtu.be/kJSLxJ2wA_Y
Would Scriabin eat raw meat? I just brushed his teeth and I plan on flossing him later. He has sensitive gums
>>129952243you sound extremely gay.
>>129952093>actual musicianActual shallow midwit hack more like
C418 is a better composer than Chopin
>>129952682how about no.
