>Lars Ulrich of Metallica snitches on and turns in over 300,000 Napster users when he testifies in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee. (July 11th, 2000)What a weenie.
>>129965517He should've spent that time practicing drumming.
>>129965517He turned me in lol
>>129965517How many of them got anything more than a letter in the mail?
>>129965519For real?
>>129965521Yeah, I was one of the people on Napster back then who got banned from it for having Metallica songs.
>>129965518>HE. FOCKING. LEFT. THE. BAND.
>>129965517When he was a nobody he did not mind peopel copying his tapes in order for the mouth to mouth to do his thing. But once the band was a billion dollar machinery then all of a sudden copying music is now seeing as something negative and that is taking the band's money away. He is a jew, never forget this.
>>129965524He's a quarter Jewish man. And legendary drummers like Mike Portnoy are Jewish.
>>129965522A lifetime ban or just till the whole thing blew over?
I'm going to see Metallica at the Sphere in October :)
>>129965527You'd have to pay me to see Metallica in 2026.
>>129965527I had a hot dog yesterday
>>129965529Perhaps you better cool your dog down then!
>>129965526I was a teenager at the time. The ban was implemented somehow through the program itself. I tried going on and got a message like pic related.At the time I was playing the original Rainbow Six online as part of a clan with a corporate CEO guy. He walked me through how to remove the ban by doing something in the registry on my computer (have no idea what). But I’m assuming I was part of that list.
I actually discovered Alex Jones through the later part of Napster when it allowed video files.
1:aw man metallica sold out in like 45 minutes2:yeah i know..2: oh did you mean a concertthe only good metallica track is a cover of the misfits
>>129965527What a waste of money. Why not save that money and get some potatoes instead?
>>129965533Disposable Heroes? Sanitarium? One? Dyers Eve?
seeing how everyone is getting shafted by spotify and apple music, metallica was on the right
>>129965533The Diamond Head cover is good too.
>>129965536Shafted?
>>129965534>potatoesA man of wealth and taste I see
>>129965531>>129965526As a follow up to this. A while later I ended up getting the exact same ban because I had downloaded and shared Dr. Dre songs. At that point I gave up on Napster.
It clicked.
>>129965525So what's your point? Just claiming that x and y are jews? If he is quarter jew and acts like that iamgine if he was a whole jew.
I downloaded "I Disappear" from the mission impossible soundtrack on napster and my parents got a letter in the mail saying that we were going to be sued for like 2 million dollars. my dad almost killed me. i wish they had saved the letter because it's a cool story now
>>129965541It really didn't
>>129965541Imagine thinking this garbage is good
>>129965517>NOOOO, YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE ME PAY FOR YOUR PRODUCT
Fuck my ass little one don’t forget to cum I suck your dick Lick your balls Keep you in my mouthCause the fagman wants cuuuuumSleep with one eye openBiting the pillow tightGO IN DRYENTER DRYYYTAKE MY ASSSWe’re off to faggot faggot land
>>129965529I take it you just slide it down your throat without chewing?
>Metallica’s first manager was literally named Cliff Burnsteinhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_BurnsteinI wouldn’t be surprised if everything in popular music is fake and gay
>>129965530what the fuck it has a toilet roll for a leg
>>129965522>banned from it for having Metallica songsthis seems reasonable even without the lawsuit
>>129965550something terrier. there's a joke here
>>129965549Hate to break it to ya, but it is.
>>129965531>At the time I was playing the original Rainbow Six online as part of a clan with a corporate CEO guy. He walked me through how to remove the ban by doing something in the registry on my computer (have no idea what).cute!
>>129965517Metallica were slowly morphing into a gigantic world-conquering rock band and this really exploded when I Disappear leaked on Napster and fans LOVED it.Fans loved the Black Album and Load & Reload as well. Garage Inc and S&M were both hugely successful. I Disappear was the first new original song since Load/Reload was recorded and everyone was shocked that it was so good, it helped propel the MI2 soundtrack to massive chart success.
>>129965555Based
>>129965524correct. there is even an old interview of him talking about tape trading with others when he was young. now that he makes music though he thinks its le bad
>>129965547I never realized how gay-coded this song was
>>129965553You know what always grinds my gears? When a huge fucking band like Metallica or any butt rock band pretends to have natural origins like “we cane from nothing man! We were playing on a shittty blown out amps and pots and pans as drums in a homosexual dive bar” no you weren’t, none of that happened. you’re all music majors put together in a band by some Jewish round table that wants to sell merchandise to teenagers and manchildren. This is literally why objectively good music doesn’t even exist in modern pop culture too, they look at them and determine what will sell the most shirts,
>>129965559stop listening to modern pop culture music though, there are a thousand songs recorded like every nano second, you'll never run out of things to try. i'm gonna listen to MSI for the 15,000 time
>>129965559>you’re all music majors>MetallicaWho's gonna tell him
>>129965559https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AcQI81gE2MListen to that song and chill out, dude. You are right, but chill out.
>>129965559https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KEwoF9jRoc
He was right. Now albums as an artform died. Albums are again a compilation of random singles released in between a certain period of time. And why? Because youtube/Spotify are literally consented piracy. To fight against piracy they have to give you all the music in the world for the price of a single album monthly. Of course no one will ever make money but spotify from that deal, and you cant put back the genie in the bottle.Most bands will not ever make a cent from recording music, only through live playing, and the capacity of stadiums got quite small for the population growth and lets call it "live events tourists" which are those people that go to every fucking concert they can but are not really fans of the band. Now the cost of touring is insane, and thus the tickets skyrocketed. We will soon see the average ticket going for 400 bucks and still selling stadiums out. Even known bands are getting priced out from touring.So yes, Lars WAS right. Everything he said would happen, happened.
>>129965564and that's a good thing, people should only make music if they were going to do it for free anyway
>>129965565Oh yes I actually agree with it. Hence my neutrality towards AI slop, it will clean the rest of the slop too. We will reach saturation levels of slop and people will go back to real instruments and more intimate shows. AI will eat green screen movie slop. Already killed photobashing too.Im ready to go back to the basics. But still concerts are fucked forever.
>>129965566>ai slopopinion disregarded
Imagine being filthy rich, and being this upset that people are listening to your music for free (which is free advertising, btw).If you're ever rich and famous, just take the win, and try not to be an asshole for the rest of your life. It's that easy.
>>129965555>and Load & Reload as wellnot really
>>129965564Have albums ever really been an artform outside of like niche prog rock groups?
>>129965555>Garage Inc and S&M were both hugely successfulalso thisi mean not really
>>129965559>pretends to have natural origins like “we cane from nothing man! We were playing on a shittty blown out amps and pots and pans as drums in a homosexual dive bar”They absolutely did. How the fuck do you think music works? Do you think a label spawned them or something? Do you think a contract with a label is an instant ticket to success? Because both of those are just false. It's a manager's job to seek deals, and young bands generally take anything they can get. They managed to get some popularity so they got better deals and got promoted further and so on and so on, that's how it always worked, and in fact how it still works to this day.
>>129965570Yes. Concept albums aren’t exclusive to prog rock>NIN - The Downward Spiral>The Antlers - Hospice>MCR - The Black Parade>good kid maad city>Boards of Canada -GeogaddiAlso I dunno what that anon is smoking because a compilation album has no cohesive sound when all these albums do and they don’t even need to be concept albums
>>129965573those are pretty much also niche rock groups(or IDM or whatever the fuck). I imagine the modern equivalent groups are still making concept albums, because that's what those people like to make, and what their audience wants.I mean, did 50 Cent ever make a concept album? Did The Backstreet Boys ever make one?
>>129965574MCR, Kendrick Lamar and NIN aren’t niche tho
>>129965575Also nobody gives a fuck about 50 Cent and The Backstreet Boys besides I want it that way so maybe they should have made one *shrugs*
>>129965575Borderline pop, but they were never like Madonna or something. It was still music for kids who fancied themselves a bit artsy and alternative.Although I plain don't know who the fuck Kendrick Lamar is. I'm too white.
>>129965577I just thought you were asking if albums as an artwork were a thing exclusive to prog and I just said they weren’t. Why’s it suddenly a popularity contest
>>129965576It was incredibly popular mainstream music, when it was at it's peak.So was like Abba. That's the caliber of music that the masses listened to, historically. Not Nine Inch Nails. Nine Inch Nails had a specific audience.
>>129965578I said *like* niche prog rock groups.
>"snitching">when you're the one who's literally the victim of a crimeIt's called reporting niggers
>>129965581copyright law isn't real.
>>129965579Keyword, *was*Hell fiddy probably makes more money from investments than nobody listening to his musicMCR, and NIN still resonates with people today and they sell out arenas
>>129965517>Dr. Dre>Make music about killing people and robbing them and raping women and selling drugs >"Piracy is stealing"Lol.Lmao.
>>129965541IF DARKNESS HAD A SONHERE I AM!
>>129965558the song is literally JOI for kids yes its extremely gay
>>129965517I've never forgiven him for that; the little rat thought Joe Schmoe and not his Jew record company were robbing his band, and he threw Napster under the bus as a scapegoat. Fuck him and his lame-ass garage band.SLAAAAAAAYER!!!!!!!!!
>>129965531>Banned by Metallica LOL
>>129965517>Some minutes I have all this strength, and I can stand there and just go, "Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. I'm bulletproof, it doesn't matter. I got Hetfield and Hammett, we're a team, and fuck you.">Five minutes later it means nothing, and I just become really vulnerable.
>>129965519He kinda did me but it was my high school's computer. I think the real lesson we all learned is that IP addresses aren't actual people.
>>129965517I remember buying Kill Em All on CD in the long carboard box they sold CDs in back when CDs were knew. It said it had "Am I Evil" and a couple other bonus tracks on the back. It lied. I tried to get my money back and failed. Fuck Lars, fuck Metallica, Fuck record companies and record stores. But especially fuck Lars. Don't pay for recordings.
>>129965517Remember when Metallica plagiarized Excel's Tapping into the Emotional Void? For their biggest hit Enter Sandman? Then remember when Green Jellö ripped off Enter Sandman (on purpose- even mentions Metallica in the lyrics) in Electric Harley House of Love, and Metallica fucking sued them? While it was parody and should have been protected, Metallica won. Fuck Lars.
My (literal) boomer dad was obsessed with Napster. He easily had 100K songs downloaded. I just remember him being pissed as fuck at Lars when it got shut down.
IP law shills are retarded niggers.Simple as.
>>129965517Megadeth mogs Shittalica>>129965584kek I have never ever paid for music and I will continue to do so. Fuck em.
>>129965595>Megadeth mogs Shittalicahmm... no
>>129965517>IT WAS ME LARS>I PUT YOUR ENTIRE DISCOGRAPHY ON NAPSTER
Napster was pretty retarded. At least have the decency to do your piracy business in secret on some russian web servers, rather than pretending to be a silicon valley start up sensation.
>>129965598they were larping as spotify
Look guys i understand the difference between a poppy song and some real granular talented shit, but idk the fuck anyone says Megadeth is better than Metallica when you can just play End Sandman next to Holy Wars and immediately see the clear difference in worth
>>129965596They do. Also Dave is more based than anyone in Metallica.
>>129965517Metallica has always been music for closeted gay men.
>>129965595Megadeth and metallica are so wildly different as bands its really only because their own rivalry people even compare them
>>129965598sharing music with friends, copying records, making mix tapes, had been going on for 50 years before napster. all they did was put it on the internet to expand the pool of friends. i get why the buggy whip recording industry would be pissed off about it but thats just the way it goes. now the money in music is live performances, where it should be.
>>129965603It could also be because the guy that started Metallica started Megadeth
>>129965594>how dare you expect to make a living with the product you created, you should just give it out for free and live on the streets!
>>129965550arrrr
>>129965605Right, which is a petty feud and Dave is some the of weirdo jerk who insists on competition when he is clearly some other type of thrash guitarist. Not to say that Lars isn’t that Napster dick though
>be Robert Fripp>spend 50 years tryin to make sure the only way anyone can listen to your music is directly off an official vinyl or CD >find out what the internet is in like 2020>suddenly stops caring and films himself playing music at home daily while his 70+ year old wife dances near-nude cabaret with both of them in outlandish costumes that change every videoOddly based
>>129965584Dre was a studio gangster that made up everything he said
BOHO OH WHOAAAA WAH!
>>129965517How was he wrong ?
>>129965528They still sound good and you're a gay jaded faggot
>>129965541The biggest problem with it is the mixing is too clean. When they play songs from it live they sound great. It's really not a bad album at all, just not one of their elite ones
>>129965517You can just immediately tell that he has a cunt phenotype. Exactly the kind of person that kills rabbits for enjoyment by tearing out their limbs.
>>129965559They were put together by a magazine and toured in European shithole villages playing for 100 people. Which is what most people do unless you actually know someone very important.
>>129965572>that's how it works to this dayexcept these days modern "artists" don't do the instrumentation or lyrics for "their" songs, and they're often artists because their parents are rich.Yes a lot of them are also talented at singing, but are they meritocratically the people who should be there? Most likely not.
>>129965517metallica is boomerslop, and was always shit
The only way I find out about new music is from watching twitch streamers and youtubers play music that gets them DMCA striked
>>129965517Not paying for your music isn't badass metal rock and roll.
>>129965617>some Swedish guy writes your songs and hooks>some freelance lyricists make songs for you to buy>a team from WB/Sony makes your "look" and all your marketing from how you dress to how you pose to what your music will be about and your career>autotune helps you stay on tune for the studio version>you lip sync at least 60% of the times you go on tourSo when you look at a self-titled artist's music and career, what really is "theirs"? Like which part of, let's say, "Sabrina Carpenter" (the brand) did Sabrina Carpenter (the person) do?
>>129965579Then again, Perry Como sold a lot more records than Bo Diddley in the 50s but who left more of a legacy in the long run.
>>129965615that's an oddly specific fantasy, anon. you sure you don't have some inner demons you need to work out with your therapist?
>>129965604>>129965622Did you know that also the establishment music people in the 50s tried to get the FCC to ban rock-and-roll and R&B from the radio as degenerate music because they were angry that kids were buying Bo Diddley records instead of croonerslop?
>>129965531>groomed by a ceo playing rainbow sixcoded words, here?
>>129965555>I Disappear was the first new original song since Load/ReloadThat would be No Leaf Clover and Minus Human.Btw, did they ever catch just who it was that leaked IDis? It would have been stolen from the studio which I assume are fairly tightly locked down, especially in the digital age. You'd literally have to do M:I shit with a picrel between your teeth, make a copy and sneak out with it.
>>129965518Are you implying that his drumming is, let me choose my words carefully here, a bit stock?
>>129965517He was pushing 40 at this time and it was the first moment where he became a boomer and realized he wasn't one of the kids anymore.
>>129965540>Dr. DreLike from the real slim shady?
>>129965606how did musicians make a living during the 5000 years before recording was invented?
>>129965540>downloaded>sharedYou mean stole and illegally distributed.
>>129965598Spotify did the same thing.
>>129965604>sharing music with friends, copying records, making mix tapes, had been going on for 50 years before napsterYeah and it did not have a significant impact on the profits of the music industry. When your "friends" turn out to be the entire world then it has the potential to disable the entire music industry. Of course lobbyists would cry murder and get it banned asap. This was the obvious outcome from the start. The Napster people should have known they would get shut down pretty quickly.Of course eventually piracy became so widespread that the music industry gave in and switched business models. Now almost all profits come from streaming (ads/subscriptions).
Where did this thread come from?
>>129965669/tv/
>>129965517Hot take: he was right and we should have listened. Making a living off art has been gatekept hard by the ramifications of that time.
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>>129965564>no one will ever make money but spotify from that dealspotify's first profitable year ever was 2024.
>>129965547Popped my ass
>>129965694>Making a living off artThis is a meme, trying to keep people from realizing any music you are not actually living in your community is dead. In the end the recording revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
>>129965598IDK, I have a hard time blaming them more than the radio stations who started playing the I Disappear demo when it leaked. Those stations' owners and management couldn't have possibly been stupid enough not to know the IP laws, they had to deal with the labels all the time when putting their playlists together, so itn hindsight it looks like they were intentionally sabotaging Napster on behalf of the music industry with that stunt.Napster themselves were obviously trying to do what other piracy services like Crunchyroll would later successfully do - build an audience on piracy, attract VC money, then sell out and go legit - so it's not like they were particularly sympathetic either, but the music industry's greed and vindictiveness at the time was strong enough to make it impossible for them to reach that last step.
>>129965564Albums as an artform didn't start to decline until streaming took off and changed the financial calculus for the biggest artists. Now thanks to Spotify, the Taylor Swifts and Drakes of the world are incentivized to treat their albums like bloated playlists so they can game their streaming numbers instead of putting a modicum of thought into their music.
i thought the whole issue was they were mad that an unfinished version of the song got leaked, same thing happened with system of a down having a whole unfinished album leaking which turned into steal this album
>>129965519Me tooI have a screenshot somewhere i think it said You have been banned by Metallica or something
>>129965573>NIN - The Downward Spiral Not a concept album, retard.
>>129965517He wasn't wrong about file sharing hurting the music industry (it's a shell of what it once was at it's peak in the 70s through the 90s which is why all the best selling albums come from that era and nothing will ever surpass them) it was just incredibly stupid to go after the users for it. In the end it didn't hurt Metallica that much but it was never going to anyways. They were already too big to fail at that point. Lars lost the PR war badly and just came off as a dick (like usual) despite having the good intentions of pushing against something that was hurting the music industry as a whole. The industry has adapted since then to embrace streaming but now favors merch and touring over album sales which was ironically what got Metallica big in the first place before the black album shot them into the stratosphere.
>>129967657>He wasn't wrong about file sharing hurting the music industry (it's a shell of what it once was at it's peak in the 70s through the 90s which is why all the best selling albums come from that era and nothing will ever surpass them)That's more a cultural/creativity issue than a money one.
>>129967704No it's actually an accessibility issue. If you want to listen to music now theres multiple ways to listen to it that don't require actually buying the album. Back then you had no choice because the only alternatives were radio and MTV which rarely played the stuff you wanted unless it was super popular anyways. It was an industry built on a single way of operating that became obsolete with the rise of the internet and file sharing. Napster was when it became obvious to the common man that there were easier ways to listen to music than having to buy an album and the industry panicked.
Was the internet really that centralized back then? Like how can't you just go through the ban by creating a new account or deleting shit on your computer?
>>129967746Not at all. You could go back to 1970 and have strictly physical album sales but a Taylor Swift album is still a Taylor Swift album and won't magically become listenable music because it's on a vinyl disc.
>>129967657>He wasn't wrong about file sharing hurting the music industry (it's a shell of what it once was at it's peak in the 70s through the 90s which is why all the best selling albums come from that era and nothing will ever surpass them)Actually, there was at least one study done back then showing that filesharing had no statistically significant impact on CD sales:https://www.cnet.com/tech/home-entertainment/music-sharing-doesnt-kill-cd-sales-study-says/The music industry had simply grown fat and happy with its success in the early CD era, throwing money around and acting like the glory days would last forever while ignoring advancements in technology and progressively tougher competition from gaming and home video. Their first instinct when challenged was to blame piracy as an easy scapegoat instead of looking in the mirror. They were retarded to expect CDs to always be the dominant way to distribute music once the internet had taken off and hard drives started to offer a decent amount of storage space. They should have been ready to pivot again like they were when they moved from vinyl and cassette to CD.
>>129967910they were starting to run out of ideas in the late 90s before Napster was around
>>129965541I can't stand how ass their newer albums sound from a production standpoint. You'd think they'd have the money to make great sounding albums but instead they all really dry and weak sounding. The Bob Rock/Randy Staub produced albums from the 90s were all mixed and sounded better than their current stuff. Get them a decent engineer.
