Berliozhttps://youtu.be/ApWXmeby5QkThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129930452
>Wagner’s four operas in the Ring Cycle were recorded by Karajan between 1966 and 1969 for Deutsche Grammophon. Karajan leads the Berlin Philharmonic in recordings which were made at the Jesus-Christus-Kirche in Berlin. Karajan created the Salzburg Easter Festival in 1967 expressly for the purpose of creating a Ring Cycle with himself as conductor and director. Deutsche Grammophon subsidized the recordings sessions which took place before the actual stage productions, thus reducing the cost of stage rehearsals because they used the recordings instead of a live orchestra. huh that's interesting
Just wanna remind everyone here about this great substack about classical musichttps://classicalguy.substack.com/archive?sort=newThey have quite the posting history, so any composer, conductor, or piece you're interested in specifically, I'm sure if you search it up using the search function, you'll find a post directly related to it. For example, this recent one on Shostakovich 5https://classicalguy.substack.com/p/building-a-collection-100-shostakovichsor Wagner's Parsifalhttps://classicalguy.substack.com/p/building-a-collection-104-wagnersor this one on Chopin's Ballade No. 1https://classicalguy.substack.com/p/building-a-collection-70-chopins?utm_source=publication-searchThere do seem to be some posts which require a paid sub, like his posts about the best recordings of the year, but there's enough free articles to make it worth checking out.
>>129972414article about the K-God, Karajanhttps://classicalguy.substack.com/p/the-top-75-conductors-35-herbert
Best harpsichord Goldberg recording?
>>129973235You might find this article informative,https://theclassicreview.com/best-of/bach-goldberg-variations-the-best-recordings-part-2-harpsichord-versions/>The Choices>To conclude this long (but satisfying) comparison of harpsichord recordings and select my top three versions of Bach’s Goldberg Variations on the instrument, I arrive at three standout interpretations.>I feel that Richard Egarr plays as if his life experience is woven into his interpretation, without losing any of the freshness and sense of wonder this major work inspires. As I mentioned earlier, he takes his time compared to other versions (or perhaps they are the ones who rush?), but when you finish listening, you are left with a sense of inevitability that few other interpretations achieve.>Pierre Hantaï’s first take on the Goldberg Variations remains as exciting and moving as it was upon its release and should be heard by any Bach or Goldberg Variations enthusiast. Though somewhat difficult to find on CD, it is available on streaming services. His second version, recorded for the Mirare label, is still readily available.>And for the “Sleeper” version, Ignacio Prego delivers a performance bursting with talent that is hard to resist, even for veteran Goldberg Variations listeners such as this writer.>These three versions blend the best of what the Goldberg Variations can offer on the harpsichord and serve as a gateway for listeners to explore both older and newer recordings, some of which have been mentioned above.
>>129973271Thanks Pierre Hantais first recording is the one I usually listen to. So I can probably follow this guys recs.
I've yet to come across a bad Lohengrin recording. Even the ones on the periphery, like Sir Colin Davis', or the newer ones, like Sir Mark Elder, Janowski's, or Bichkov's (which is legitimately stellar), are all solid.
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMveEoRmkJE
huh, for some reason I didn't know he actually had finished recording all 9 symphonies. well, the complete cycle just dropped. maybe i'll finally go through it nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4LUcHXMaEE&list=OLAK5uy_kfWJspr5hfj-l90N68iw9iVtb8xWq5RD0&index=1shame it doesn't include the 10th or a Das Lied. looking around, it appears it took seven years to record this cycle.
my favorite Ring is genuinelly the audio CDs of Boulez's version, but someone really needs to remaster them so that the orchestra isn't pushed so far back. Hagen's Call doesn't sound nearly as cataclysmic as it should because the orchestra is too quiet.
>>129973335h-how did you bypass the filter?
>>129975564He didn't spell his name correctly
>>129972316>Milei edition
Any musicological recommendations? I've been meaning to read something about Mahler and have zeroed in on Stephen Johnson's "The Eighth". It's an engrossing account of the 8th, dissected from every which angle (the cultural context, the antecedents, the music itself, the staging, Mahler's relationship with Alma, etc.). I am also dipping into "Mahler & Strauss" occasionally. It's written episodically and dissects the similarities/differences of the 2 in various domains, with chapter titles like "Husbands", "Conductors", "Ironists", etc.Eventually I'd like to read Cooke's and Fischer's books, however I couldn't find them in epub format (I read on a Kindle and don't like buying printed books unless the contents necessitate this). Before these, I tried "Beauty and Sadness: Mahler's 11 Symphonies", but the prose was horrifically, garishly purple and conveyed nothing of substance.
If Scriabin was to not eat Borscht, would he prefer blini?
>>129976082He would prefer mazurkahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am72tucOpNk
>>129975561Yeah, the orchestra is too quiet in that recording. It's a pretty great interpretation of the Ring, but I wish Gwyneth Jones was 10 years younger before she developed that wobble, and that Manfred Jung was better.
>>129973235https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNaOa6c4Sx4
>>129976289This is awful. Fuck you.
>>129973235Virginia Black (note: some releases place variation 24 as variation 1 for some reason, right after the aria. as far as the performance goes, however, it is my favorite)
absolute banger youtube recommendations pullhttps://youtu.be/l2mZ8HCjH60
>>129975777Strauss and Mahler have such opposite faces. Swarthy and masculine versus pallid and babyfaced.
>>129975564oh sorry my badL*hengrin
>>129976744They were contrapositives of one another in many ways, making the comparison more interesting>short vs tall>lean vs fleshy>choleric vs phlegmatic
How would you rate Beethoven's concertos among his symphonies?
>>1299769798 > 3 > 6 > PC5 > 5 > VC > PC4 > 7 > 9 > rest of them
>>1299769799 > 3 > VC > PC5 > 6 > 7 > 8 > PC4 > 5 > PC3 >the VC, PC5, and 6 is the hardest part. Part of me wants to put the 6th first, but then the VC and PC5 feel too low... ah it's tough! All three are masterpieces.
Crap i didnt know this transcription finally got recorded in stereo!https://youtu.be/gfQUknillUASadly i had to find out through the gay jewish faggot retard but im absolutely listening to this
>>129974170No one else is interested in exploring this cycle with me? Too many Mahler cycles? I guess the main comparison with Bichkov's to come out recently would be Vanska's, which is pretty hit-and-miss, with an interesting 'objectivist' approach. Curious to see how Bichkov takes it, as unlike with Vanska, I don't really have a conception of his overall style as a conductor.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq7r-5tqZ7U&list=OLAK5uy_kfWJspr5hfj-l90N68iw9iVtb8xWq5RD0&index=26
>>129973335Forgot to mention Lovro von Matačić's as one on the periphery. It is also solid.
>Alfred Schnittke wrote two cadenzas for Beethoven's Violin Concerto, of which the first includes musical quotations from violin concertos of Berg, Brahms, Bartók (Concertos No. 1 and No. 2), Shostakovich (Concerto No. 1), as well as from Beethoven's 7th Symphony.[17] Schnittke also wrote a cadenza for the first movement of Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 24 in 1975.Is that allowed? or even legal? To write a cadenza for a work which contains quotations from another piece written well after the original work? How postmodern!
>>129977112>the gay jewish faggot retardstfu you low IQ bigot
>>129975354true
Listening through all of Haydn's symphonies and it's mostly faceless pleasantries indistinguishable from other music of the period, but every once in a while there's something really weird like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNAZM_SGs0EI guess this is supposed to be his much lauded "humor."
>>129977316filtered
>>129977316Haydn is easily the most boring composer on earth if we exclude the modern/contemporary classical.
>>129977366maybe if you're soulless
>>129977384We all are.
>>129977366>most boring composerThat would be Bruckner
>>129976122Delicious, only the best for Scriabin
>>129977260But all those statements about hurwitz are factually true
>>129977112That's a much lovelier orchestration than I would have assumed. It sounds really, really good.
[bridal chorus theme plays softly]
>>129977433At least Bruckner has the adagio of 7th, even if you're too retarded to appreciate the rest. Haydn is almost exclusively a bore.
>>129977640Retards easily appreciate Bruckner because it's sorted into loud autistically discrete blocks of sound. Haydn on the other hand evidently requires you to enjoy music as such.
>>129977561No, retard isn't true, also using gay and jewish as derogatory terms makes you a retard.
>>129977670You are conspicuously silent on the faggot part.
William Walton's 1st symphonyhttps://youtu.be/6imWPR4bPiE
>>129977695Faggot is derogatory term for gay so I didn't need to repeat myself.
>>129977711One of the best English symphonies.
>>129973235Helmut Walcha
>tfw fire alarm in my room needs its batteries replaced so it's making a loud, obnoxious beep every so often, ruining my classical music timewhy is this happening to me!?
Listen to Malcolm Arnold's symphonieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wVwvuAGY94https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0f9NbCqVJ4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ci-mSDAtYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JhmPrVTk6w
Is Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade the most universally liked masterpiece in all of classical (and /classical/) music? I bet even the most stodgy of the antiquated baroquesisters to the most tryhard of the avant-teen postmodern RYMsisters enjoy this heartwarmingly beautiful work.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DokrPBOQ2T0
>>129978211Probably not? It gets dismissed pretty regularly by German chauvinists for being kind of a virtuoso orchestral showpiece. Also that recording of it is godawful and flatfooted like everything I've ever heard from Gergiev.
>>129978364>Probably not? It gets dismissed pretty regularly by German chauvinists for being kind of a virtuoso orchestral showpiece.Are you sure? I feel like even those types who regularly dismiss Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninoff still enjoy Scheherazade.>Also that recording of it is godawful and flatfooted like everything I've ever heard from Gergiev.I picked it at random outside of not wanting to post the usual Reiner or Stokowski or Karajan. My bAs for Gergiev, I think he's pretty good with the Russians -- Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Scriabin, Prokofiev, Rimsky's operas. And occasionally non-Russian things too. But I can understand not liking him. I just figured his Scheherazade would be good since his Rimsky operas are good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA-1IwThpyE&list=OLAK5uy_m18l9cSv6ouZiiAOU9xVVJBXcG2ZmIS6M&index=1
>>129978463>Are you sure? I feel like even those types who regularly dismiss Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninoff still enjoy Scheherazade.Yeah, I've seen people condescend to it or file it under classical 'pops' they grew out of.
>>129977575Always really liked this orchestration, so it finally being recorded in stereo is great. Recording is a little lacking in energy at points but I'm grateful someone even recorded it at all.>>129977670Gay is and should always be derogatory. Jewish I can agree with just because I like too many Jewish musicians.
Scriabin smells nice
The Scriabincels have gone insane
>>129977260oh okay so Hurwitz is actually smart straight and latino now
now playingstart of Chopin: 24 Preludes, Op. 28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUAyyek9Mrc&list=OLAK5uy_nfg90zj-aRjosXB6ityGoDJbwKsp8uEKA&index=2start of Scriabin: 24 Preludes, Op. 11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho7InyZfVw0&list=OLAK5uy_nfg90zj-aRjosXB6ityGoDJbwKsp8uEKA&index=26start of Akio Yashiro: 24 Preludeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMFFbfUrR68&list=OLAK5uy_nfg90zj-aRjosXB6ityGoDJbwKsp8uEKA&index=49https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nfg90zj-aRjosXB6ityGoDJbwKsp8uEKA
>>129979194>Mao Fujita follows up his 'acclaimed' debut album on [Sony], the Mozart Piano Sonatas, with a similarly ambitious recording project, 'Preludes'; three complete sets of 24 preludes by Chopin, Scriabin, and 20th century Japanese composer Akio Yashiro. This album represents a fascinating exploration of three different but intricately connected worlds, each full of poetic diversity, volcanic energy and atmospheric stillness. Each of these three sets are in perfect symmetry with each other, each containing 24 short preludes, one for each major and minor key. >But it is Chopin's preludes that form the axis around which these other two sets of preludes orbit. Chopin's Preludes, Op. 28 (1839) broke all expectations of the term 'prelude', elevating the form from small, often-improvised, introductory pieces to singular works in their own right, and in this Op. 28 set, presented as a spinning constellation of self-contained ideas and emotions, and some of the most enduring and loved piano pieces in the repertoire.>Scriabin's Preludes, Op. 11 (1888-96) echo Chopin's set in so many ways - the number of preludes, the ordering of the keys, the concept of the prelude as a short, but significant work - but is certainly no copy, rather more a descendant, an extension, hyper expressive, each prelude an intricate miniature world of it's own. >The third set of preludes is perhaps the most intriguing. A world premier recording of the 24 Preludes (1945) by Japanese composer Akio Yashiro. Taking Chopin's model even further, Yashiro creates a highly idiomatic and original work, written when only 15 years old. This is the most personal work on the album for Mao Fujita, with a relationship to the composer's widow, and presenting the work for the first time as a commercial studio recording. Or as Mao puts it, "the Chopin and the Scriabin are the fish and the rice, the base, but the Yashiro is the wasabi, just as vital, and that special kick to create something delicious."
>>129979141they've always been fake-crazy in an attemp to be funny. one in every ten posters here is actually somewhat normal and mature and thus enjoyable to talk to. the rest range from avatarfaggots to actually crazy people who have no social life.
>>129978539>Gay is and should always be derogatory.What an embarrassing, low IQ bigoted comment. I shall never reply to your stupid questions.
>>129979301There's also TalkClassical, Good-Music-Guide, and reddit.
>>129979301You can help to improve it by lending a hand in getting rid of the avatarfag.>>129979320What are you talking about, schizo?
essential schizo-core>scriabin>strauss (operas)>wagner>messiaen >stockhausen>philip glass>bach (hip + harpsichord)
>>129979356Who the fuck was trying to "force lgbt" you actual fucking retard?
>>129979358Morton Feldman, Schoenberg, Stravinsky
>>129979371That's me you idiot, where was I "forcing lgbt" and what the fuck does that even mean?
How would you describe Puccini in one word
>>129979207>the Chopin and the Scriabin are the fish and the rice, the base, but the Yashiro is the wasabi, just as vital, and that special kick to create something deliciousOk
>>129979440Cucc
Be it being against change or wanting to go back to previous times, the essence of reactionary thinking is that change is inherently negative in the context of progress, of creating a new, arguably better paradigm. Nietzsche was the opposite of a reactionary. He was an iconoclast and a revolutionary.
The final redpill is that Wagner, Chopin and Mahler are the only good composers, we can forget about the rest, they are waste of our time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg3pHkzUerc
>>129976911>zodiac-tier reading tell us more, oh phrenologist
>>129977235Not only is it allowed and legal, it's traditional and par-of-the-course
>>129976979>>129976979>>129977112>>129977561>>129978539kill yourself
>>129980344He's avatarfagging which is against the rules btw.
>>129980358all the more reason it should kill itself
>>129980294I'm just highlighting their obvious, surface-level differences, not drawing any conclusions from them
>>129980383I don't care what it is you're doing
>>129980370You should help the process.
>>129980400and how do you propose one does that
>>129977316>faceless pleasantriesThat's a good description, most of the Classical period sounds like that to me
>>129980473That's why Beethoven is a romantic, he stands out from the rest of the faceless pleasantries.
Boccherini moment of the day: String Quintets op 18https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5AM3yqgOf0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQELF6ES6GYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMoHxa4HhZ0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRjK2vh0VOIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M88yB20tX0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjw3gDH9zAk>>129980473>>129977366>>129980473>>129980511Grow a heart or die a beast
>>129980527>Grow a heart or die a beastline goes hard ngl
>>129980311idk the last recording I listened to that does this, the Rattle/Veronika Eberle performance of Beethoven's Violin Concerto, the reviews and popular response was pretty unanimous in criticizing the modern-sounding cadenza, outright claiming it ruined the entire thinghttps://youtu.be/V_3c6AKU6CY&t=1200not very traditional nor par-for-the-course, and I'm contacting my lawyer to see if this is in fact illegal
>>129980700I'm all for trying new things but if I heard that in concert, I'm shouting>Merde!
>>129980700>criticizing the modern-sounding cadenza, outright claiming it ruined the entire thingThat is also, starting with late romanticism, traditional and par-of-the-course
It is now out for real, the new Nelsons/Gewandhaus Mendelssohn cycle, of both the symphonies and oratorios!Paulushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8ZkdIBI3Gs&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=2Eliashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwfLj4AyRMA&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=52Symphony 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qPUQleXrjM&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=93Symphony 2, "Hymn of Praise"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMPs9hONS8I&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=97Symphony 3, "Scottish"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThLH3AuQQ8I&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=111Symphony 4, "Italian"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wTNo5Tz4p4&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=115Symphony 5, "Reformation"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuQ8c9-jNWE&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=118reviewhttps://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-mendelssohn-complete-symphonies-paulus-elias-gewandhausorchester-nelsons/yes these posts take a lot of effort to create, so please at least give a peep. Not even because I'm a huge fan of Nelsons (though I always support contemporary musicians when I can) or particularly Mendelssohn, it's more so I'm always hyped about new big budget recordings of great oratorios -- if this set only included Paulus and Elias I'd be just as excited. The symphonies are nice to have though for sure.
>>129972316Any vidya music you guys like? Was listening to FF15's soundtrack and it has some good orchestral pieces.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJyzjV50tS8
>>129980971Not sure what this has to do with /classical/. Maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>129980973/mu/ is retarded, I wanted recs from you guys who are slightly less retarded.
>>129981010Not sure what this has to do with /classical/. Maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>129981010You are even more retarded than /mu/ so you don't have any kind of authority to claim who's retarded and who's not.
>>129980971bro u ever heard of hans zimmer hes pretty heckn cool dude
>>129980971Ace Attorney has some good stuffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQRCRW7Q9iQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYiQuNAuvJIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9GPdUkMmFo>>129980973>>129981024>>129981029Chill retards, some game and movie OSTs are classical-adjacent. Fucking Shostakovich did movie scores
>>129981076kill yourself.
>>129981076Not sure what this has to do with /classical/. Maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>129981090>>129981091nearly every classical radio station plays movie scores and video game shit occasional, you are retarded
>>129981114>retards play retard music>this justifies my obsession with retard music
>>129980971This general may be more your speed >>/mu/kpop
>>129981161The average classical station host is more knowledgeable than the average retard in here.
>>129981114that's not the gotcha that you think it is
>>129981182Yeah, I'm sure they are. lmao.
>>129981182go listen to them instead of being an annoying cunt here then, cunt
>>129981040Most J game composers mog western film composers. It's a shame the Zimmers of the world get lauded because of the medium's popularity.
>>129973235Trevor Pinnock
>>129981263Thanks I'm familiar with his already. It is good.
>>129981235>Most J game composers mog western film composersnot the feat you think it is
>>129972364Is there no piano arrangement of a ring cycle? I thought it's a solved problem.
Swiss cheese kept a man sane
Why aren't you listening to Scriabin anon?
>>129981475I'm busy listening to Boccherini
>>129981475I'm listening to Liszt.
>>129981524That's great, but I would recommend some Scriabin preludes and poems afterwards, try the the op 32 set, and his first 48 set of preludes, specifically op. 11, and op 16-17
>>129980971https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQoEIfzZp1c
>>129981475I'm listening to Pergolesi.
>>129981548Thanks, but I've already listened to everything Scriabin's done that's been committed to recording. Not to say I won't ever do it again (I do often enough), but the point is there's no need to recommend him to me. Boccherini on the other hand I'm only now getting to know.
>>129982016You can never have too much Scriabin anon :)
Mahler's 7th didn't click till I heard Gielen's version. It's like a caleidoscopic film score, at times triumphant, at times melancholy, at times mischievous. Bernstein's and Levine's are nice too, but this really clicked.
>>129982604Hmm, other people have said this before in the past too. Fine I'll give it a try, I'm sold.
>>129981201Ignore this faggot
>>129981437Now that's some real cost-savings! Where'd you get your MBA
I keep talking myself into listening to the Knappertsbusch, Krauss, or Furtwangler Rings, then like 30 minutes to an hour in, after the reminder of how poor the sound quality is, and how there's so many great sets without audio issues, I turn it off. Then the cycle repeats like a week later, once I convince myself the sound issues aren't actually as bad I think. I'm just not cut out to be a hiss sister, sorry.
Tchaikovskyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEWd5JlSAhw&list=OLAK5uy_kmQ5tchhUnSCEJIWUoAtuzNFsfClOM2pQ&index=15
>>129983018I wonder if this album cover bothers me so much because it's a mirror to my own body type; giant head with a small, thin, twink body.
Interesting Karl Bohm doesn't seem to have a distinct, identifiable conducting style. He just does a good job of whatever the piece is at hand. Similar to Haitink, but even Haitink's careful, intelligent style is more readily distinguishable in comparison to Bohm.
>>129983356I think Bohm's Mozart is pretty easily identifiable.
>>129983555I agree. I meant that style doesn't carry over to his performance of any other composers. His vision of a work often applies to anything else by that same composer, true.
One day, I started to look at some of the manuscripts and I noticed that they contained some numbers. In the first movement of the E-flat string quintet, K. 614, for example, Mozart writes a number at the end of the first section of the first movement-the part we call the exposition-the spot in so-called sonata form where the players go back to the beginning and repeat what we have heard thus far. And Mozart wrote a number there; and at the very end of the movement he wrote another number. The number that he wrote at the beginning was the number of bars that he had used up to that point, and the number at the end was the number of bars from that point until the end of the piece. He wasn’t counting them, mind you, from line to line, He just wrote them down, and he wrote down the correct number of bars in the first section, and then he wrote down the correct number of bars of the second one.Why do you suppose he wrote them down? They must have mattered to him. Why did they matter to him? Probably because he was interested in proportions.Sometime in the late ’60s or early ’70s, Wolfgang Plath, one of the century’s leading Mozart scholars and the expert on his musical handwriting, started looking at a sketch leaf that puzzled him. It had some music on it but it had a pile of numbers. As it turns out, Mozart dabbled in number theory. He never went to school for a single day, but he was interested in double and triple factorials-just fooling around on his own with numbers. Maybe it means something, maybe it doesn’t ‘ambidue, ambitre,’ …how you can take numbers and do things. You could think: maybe it means something, and maybe it doesn’t.
>>129983617Plath saw these numbers, arranged in three columns. He thought, “I wonder what these numbers could be? There are hundreds of things they could be I couldn’t possibly figure out 200 years later. They could be receipts for lessons, or concerts, they could be laundry expenses, or food expenses, or God knows what. Hmmm, is there anything they could be that I could figure out?” And suddenly, he thought, “Bar counts. They could be bar counts. But wait a minute. Three big columns…If it were a sonata, there could be only three numbers per column; in a symphony or string quartet, there would be only four; with five or six, or seven, maybe it could be a divertimento or some other occasional piece. But this is a long series of numbers in each column, so it cannot possibly be one of those. What could it be?“Wait! An opera. It could be an opera. …“All right. Let’s look at this more carefully. Is there any music on this sketch leaf I can date? Yes…here is something from 1782. What opera did Mozart write in 1782? Die Entführung aus dem Serail, K.384.”Plath then proceeded to take out the score of The Abduction from the Seraglio. The first number of column 1 was the bar count of the overture. The second one was Belmonte’s first aria from Act I…and so on. Plath hit the jackpot. Not only that: there was a number in the third act-24-that came before the chorus of janissaries. But the autograph score has no 24-bar piece there. It does, however, refer to the fact that a march should come before that chorus, in spite of the fact that there is no trace of the march in the autograph. When Gerhard Croll was editing The Abduction from the Seraglio for the New Mozart Edition – Neue Mozart-Ausgabe – he consulted not just the autograph, but all surviving early manuscript copies. And one of them did contain a march before the janissaries chorus. And guess how long it was? Yup, 24 bars.
>>129981662His Stabat Mater is peak.
>>129983617>>129983623Just short of interesting. But still enjoyable to read.
Essential Complete Beethoven Symphony Cycles>Barenboim>Bernstein>Blomstedt>Chailly>Furtwängler>Jochum>Karajan>Kletzki>Konwitschny>Leibowitz>Mackerras>Scherchen>Schuricht>Solti>Szell>Wand
>>129984317Haven't heard any of Barenboim, Konwitschny, Leibowitz, Mackerras, Scherchen, Schuricht
>>129980527Boccherini is rapidly becoming one of my favorite composers. I guess this is what happens when you finally take the chamberpill.
>>129978097honestly surprised you could tell the difference.
what composer should I try if I like shoving my entire arm all the way up my ass?
>>129983795It begs the question, WHY did Mozart count his bars?
>Among the audience at Bayreuth was the young Sergiu Celibidache, who hid in the lavatory overnight in order to surreptitiously attend rehearsals.The type of dedication that just doesn't exist anymore.
>>129984424You can't physically shove your arm up your ass. Unless you amputate your arm first.
Gilels Brahms PC 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9TlSOeFU1Q
my sped teacher when i was a kid used to say classical artists have autism was that true or was she trying to make me feel better
>>129984424Henry Cowell
>>129984521kill yourself.
>>129982942How do you think ballet/opera rehearsals were happening in the past, especially before record players? What, they gathered the entire orchestra for corps de ballet or choir to work on a scene? No, often composer produced a piano version in addition to a full score so you need only one player for rehearsals, etc.
>>129984521Not only were classical composers autistic, but so were (especially) mathematicians, physicists and all the other major innovators and great minds. Innovation and intellectual contribution without at least some autism is rare. High performance in STEM is constantly linked to autism in studies, and great artists, philosophers and writers aren't too far behind. If you take a look at the biographies of Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin, or Newton, Riemann, Dirac etc. It's easy to notice how autistic they were.
CALL ME PACHELBEL, 'CAUSE I HAVE A CANON IN D
>>129984533a femanon cant ask a question can she?>>129984580thanks that makes me feel better about myself and my stimming. i feel a bond towards music unlike most normies.
>>129984664100% chance of this being a tranny
>>129984684>all women must be troons on the internet>if she says she's a woman she's a troon>if she says she's a terf, she's just bad as a troonfine if you want to jack off to scriabin like the other homos here i just wont ask anything
>>129984664The fuck does being a female has to do with anything here?
I am in a world, where I am taking a stroll in a beautiful park built by the divine, suddenly my legs feel tired and request to stop. Cordially I went on ahead to sit under the shade of a chestnut tree. My fatigue washes away from me as I slip into my imaginative daydreaming, I can hear the melancholic chirping of the sparrows and the water flowing from the creeks, feel the gust of a chilly wind approaching my face, smell the rejuvenating fragrance of the good earth. But then I realize I was just listening to the start of Lohengrin. I a poor soul, venerate the gods for creating such beauty and allowing an inferior soul like me to experience it!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG53S27HI5k
>Verdi—RigolettoThouroughly entertaining from start to finish.
This sounds like Beethoven's late string quartets. Bach is truly the genius of all geniuses.
>>129985706Yeah I really love that one! Which recording?
>>129985846It's incredible, yeah. If it were an outright string quartet piece, it'd be in the top five ever, easily. Check out the recordings by the Keller Quartet and Cuarteto Casals -- much faster and taut than the Juilliard's, but very good!>>129984462That's a fantastic anecdote.
How is it most of Sawallisch's Wagner recordings are in the most popular tier of their respective work (ex. Tannhauser, Lohengrin, Meistersinger, even Flying Dutchman) but his Ring is kinda brushed aside? Is it a marketing thing? Or really about comparative quality?
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>>129985895Ah, haven't heard that one. It seems to be the most popular on a cursory search. I'll check it out on my next listen! I usually opt for Kubelik or Solti.But yeah, I completely agree it's a sonic treat from the very first note to the end. One of my favorites from Verdi for sure.
now playingstart of Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 2 in G-Sharp Minor, Op. 19, "Sonata-Fantasy"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMWuGF-aAZw&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=2Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 5, Op. 53https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INDMiMWJBD0&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=4Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 6 in G Major, Op. 62https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ5jAJT_sNs&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=5Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 7, Op. 64, "White Mass"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpJW87KOBcI&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=6Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 9 in F Major, Op. 68, "Black Mass"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TU5ShZwBI&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=7Scriabin: Fantasie in B Minor, Op. 28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHGtgZnYE0w&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=7
Beethoven? No thanks, I prefer Vaughan Williams.Bach? No thanks, I prefer Purcell.Mozart? No thanks, I prefer Byrd.Haydn? No thanks, I prefer Tallis. Brahms? No thanks, I prefer Elgar.Schumann? No thanks, I prefer Britten.Mendelssohn? No thanks, I prefer Holst.Bruckner? No thanks, I prefer Arnold Bax.Mahler? No thanks, I prefer Malcolm Arnold.Tchaikovsky? No thanks, I prefer Walton.Schubert? No thanks, I prefer George Lloyd.Chopin? No thanks, I prefer Michael Tippett.Dvorak? No thanks, I prefer William Alwyn.Sibelius? No thanks, I prefer Delius.Shostakovich? No thanks, I prefer Thomas Ades.English classical supremacy NOWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCdw_gUq4nM
>>129985967Utterly vile and nauseating.
>>129985925So far I've just been checking classicstoday for what they list as reference recordings and then listening to whichever one of those has Pavarotti on it.
John Eliot Gardiner fucks you. He fucks you so hard you can't even relate. You can't compromise. You can't adjust. He fucks you hard, he fucks you deep, he fucks you long. 100% pure bred English Dick. In your ears, in your mind, in your music.John Eliot Gardiner fucks you beyond your own capacity to understand. He fucks and and sucks you to the grave, to the second life, to the astral realm. Bow before JEG's Mass. The Mass Grave of your resistance to the Empire.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT6vRpmyiW0
>>129986153A solid system as any.
