The question of why Trump’s Iran war hasn’t sparked a wave of anti-war protest music is actually very simple. The overall American left has been stuck when it comes to effective anti-war activism. The way the US does war nowadays isn’t Vietnam but El Salvador: instead of sending in a bajillion troops to invade/occupy the US just funds proxy armies and now uses drone/aerial warfare. That’s what Obama did in Syria last decade, for instance. The anti-war music we’re all used to was very much a product of the 60s New Left, and there was no 60s New Left without the Civil Rights Movement and Vietnam War. The youth were afraid of being drafted into a bullshit war that the U.S. couldn’t win. But we don’t see mass boots on the ground today, and because of that, we don’t see a mass response to war in the cultural realm. In order for Billie Eilish to be “John Lennon”, Iran needs to be Vietnam (Gd forbid). In order for Kehlani to make a “What’s Going On?” or a “Someday We’ll All Be Free” Iran needs to be Vietnam. The war needs to conform to a method of warfare that the left knows how to effectively oppose. It’s morbid and disgusting but that’s sadly the case.And assuming the “woke” pop stars make music in response to this conflict, what will it contain? It won’t be universalist anti-war or anti-imperialist anthems but centre entirely on “I hate Trump, this war is about Epstein, AIPAC bad”. Will be highly dated in three years once Trump and his goons leave office.
>>129986661
it's because music industry is kissing the asses of jews and pledging allegiancecriticizing trump is tantamount to criticizing israel, and it leads to criticizing industry heavyweightsyou know what happened shit to artists rebelled against music industry in recent years
She is a literal foreigner who came to my country and called it illegitimate and "stolen". She can fuck off back to Ireland if she doesn't appreciate the fame and fortune she found here.
>>129986661Because people have noticed that "protest music" is often one-sided. Have you heard any of those folk punk "artists" ever criticizing Cuba or Venezuela? No, never ever. Bunch of hypocrits.
>>129986736The hell are you talking about? Pop stars tend to be liberal/progressive and highly anti-Trump.
>>129986736There is a theory that the Jewish-dominated media of the US in the 1960's and 70's used Vietnam as a tool to reduce the power of the old WASP political establishment (and also overthrow Nixon). Since Jewish power currently supports the overthrow of the Iranian regime, it will not sponsor anti-war media in any of the channels it controls. That includes popular music. This used to be a fringe theory, but certain 'alt-left'/Marxist-adjacent sources have been mentioning these kinds of ideas after Gaza/Iran.
>>129986661the record labels support the iran war, so theyre not going to promote anti-israel messaging>>129986810criticizing trump isnt the same as criticizing israel. iran war is primarily an israeli war
>>129986933>>129986928There’s no evidence the labels support the war. Also, Billie and Finneas have defied their label in the past.
There's no draft now unlike Vietnam. That's all it is, really.
>>129986661Protest music had the value of novelty back then because it was new and hadn't been done before. Today it's corny and doesn't impress anyone.
>>129986784There was counter-protest music in the 60s that had a right-leaning message, it was mostly from the country music scene, songs like "Okie From Muskogee" and "One's On The Way."
>>129986810>Pop stars tend to be liberal/progressive and highly anti-TrumpPop stars have no beliefs of their own except to reflect the views of the record label.
>>129987221That’s the exact point OP was making.
the Eilishes are the most lame, basic rich Facebook California Democrats who functionally stand for nothing
>>129987245it's funny but the charts had a lot of pro-war, pro-military songs that are all scrubbed from history
>>129987300They’re both good friends with Hasan “dog zapper” Piker.
>>129986661Because Trump is winning. Its a military plan that been in the making for easily more than 20 years, if Kamala won it would have been Kamala. Nobody could have changed the fate of the Radical Islamist Regime of Iran. They say Death To America and the Jews. They fund most islamic terrorist groups in the world with their oil money because they believe Jihad is life highest calling it says in the Quoran that Allah likes war and imposing slavery on the conquered non believers the most. This disturbs global trade. We aint having it so we killed their Cleric Dictator. Until they run out of enough zealots this will end. They are importing them from Afganistan now. They attract them with prostitutes but Islamic prostitutes work different they arrange a temporal marriage lolTo loop around their Sharia LawWar never changes
>>129987325It’s a war for Israel. AIPAC blackmailed Trump into going to war.
>>129987325All the same, /pol/ has been unusable the past month with all the screaming Muslim diaspora and Russian/Chinese bot farms. Go on there and there's 20 "Iran will smash the decadent AmeriKKKan empire!" threads up at any moment.
>>129987356I go to these threads to laugh everytime one of their terrorist leaders is killed just to remind them that we are not even in the same league. They are fucking delusional. They fantasise about killing us and raping our women 24/7 literally thats all they think about. Its pathetic man.
>>129987343The war was on the cards for more than 20 years easier regardless of Republican or Democrat presidentYes, its for Jews and Oil Tycoons it just happens to benefit the part of Iran that is sick of religious rule. USA is eventually going to feed them and arm them and there will be civil war in Iran. Then Reza Palavi will get installed in. Done.
>>129986661The main reason “Middle America” (Trump’s supporter base) opposes the Iran War isn’t because they’re afraid of their 20-something sons and daughters being sent to war but because they’re concerned about the price of gas going up. That’s it. They voted for Trump because they wanted him to lower the cost of living. How do you make anti-war music when the message isn’t “we’re being sent to die for empire” but “I can’t afford to fill up my car at the pump”?
>>129986661Protesting the war is anti-semitic.
>>129986736>>129986933>>129987343Are we forgetting the time last year when Kehlani went against her label for standing up for Palestine, received death threats from Zionists, and still came out unscathed by the whole ordeal?
>>129987422We don't get any oil from Iran, brah.
>>129987386you noticed Obama and Bill Clinton haven't said a peep about the war?
>>129987490Funny enough, Kamala has.
>>129987477Straight of Hormuz?
>>129987422Holy shit, it’s almost as if people oppose war when the war directly affects them.
>>129987498During the campaign she made a statement saying America couldnt trust Trump to be tough on Iran.
Don't care
>>129986661>In order for Billie Eilish to be “John Lennon”These two are in no way comparable.
>>129986661Plus the entire West, not just the USA is vastly more non white and of many different ethnicities than it was in the 1960's. The real story is what happens in about 20 years when the West has nearly run out of white Gentiles to command troops and white sons to take the forward front lines. The different ethnicities don't get along except on propaganda posters. That will also cause trouble at home as the different races begin to get numerous enough to enforce their own ideas of how society should work. The music we might get out of such a chaotic society could be interesting but it won't have much to do with white Imperialism. That ideology stopped breeding a very long time ago.
>>129986661https://youtube.com/watch?v=-njxKF8CkoU
>>129986661>>129986736>>129986755>>129986784>>129986810>>129986928>>129987325>>129987686What's missing in your analysis is that America in the 21st century lacks a monoculture. In decades past, all Americans received all their information through very controlled media outlets. Everything from broadcast to print was filtered through a handful of cultural elites selecting exactly what the American public could see, hear and consume, and when impressionable people are blitzed with images and footage of war, reports of atrocities, police brutality and other assorted phenomena, so they're going to react and speak up with opinions based on the information they received. In the age of the Internet, monoculture has gone the way of the Dodo, and everyone has a contrary take on just about any subject matter. It's hard to deliver protest music to a world that's not even reading from the same page.
>>129987446She stopped being political after she got a top 10 Billboard hit and began doing brand deals.
>>129987697I don't know about that. When the media told Americans to riot over Fentanyl Floyd, they did, to the point where dozens of people died. The media can still start or end protests at will, at least in the US. Plenty of musicians chimed in on behalf of #BLM, and the media amplified them. Not so with the Iran war, even though the Iran war is obviously several orders of magnitude more meaningful and significant than Fentanyl Floyd.
>>129987724The riots happened largely because Americans were under strict COVID lockdowns for two months that consequently drove them absolutely insane. The economy also went into freefall with millions of jobs lost and worse. It didn't take much to set Americans off at that point.Social media had also thoroughly deplatformed, demonetized and censored the right apart from a handful of GOP influencers, and with the right fragmented post-Charlottesville and subsequently infighting, none of them were in any position to even supply a coherent counternarrative to the one presented by the media, much less mount an opposition. With millions of Americans jobless and eager to lash out, they were given a blank check courtesy of the media. The American left, with the help of liberal elites, rarely enjoyed a period of free rein this obvious. Even those who defended their neighborhoods would be put on trial.
>>129987724Not new. The Spanish-American War happened because Hearst and Pulitzer wanted to sell newspapers so they ginned up fake headlines about Spanish barbarities to enrage the sheeple into demanding war.
>>129986661"Protest music" is like protest marches, it only exists when the rich jewish leftists donors and NGOs cut the checks for it. It's not happening this time because they also want this war. That it's Trump in charge right now and not a Democrat works even better for them because it means he'll get all the blame for the war rather than the Dems. The general public is too stupid to remember that the Democrats pretty much handed the election to Trump on a silver platter because they were also too cowardly and owned by the zionist lobby to stand up to Israel.
>>129988204We did have protest music during the Iraq War, which Jews largely supported, because Iraq was an instance where the US was deploying thousands of troops to occupy Iraq indefinitely. The chances of Trump sending loads of boots on the ground to Iran are less than zero.
>>129987762>The riots happened largely because Americans were under strict COVID lockdowns for two months that consequently drove them absolutely insane.The Summer of Floyd had little to do with COVID. 2020 was an election year and BLM riots had been part of the Democrats' election year playbook since Ferguson in 2014.
>>129986661Someone show Fantano this thread. I want his personal take on this subject.
>>129988214The difference between then and now is that Israel's approval ratings are now utterly dismal with everyone younger than the boomers and it's just going to keep getting worse. Israel has lost their minds and they're trying to squeeze in all their dream wars while they still have any significant public support in western countries at all. With Iraq, the donor class clearly felt like they could play both sides and pretend to be against it in the media because the general public was still naive about Israel and its influence on our politics at the time. Whereas today I don't see them being willing to risk funding any anti-war media that might make Trump backpedal away from the war to salvage his own image.
The gaza genocide has sparked some music, hinds hall by macklemore comes to mind. Iran has also been pushing their own music using their A.I lego videos. Instead of laminating about being sent to die for empire people sit at home and root for empire to die. So you thats a very good development and great opportunity. So I don't think we need good songs, we need to create a concrete post U.S empire foreign policy to give to propagate among the masses. For once uncheck imperialisms is not just a given anymore. The U.S isn't able to export the domestic cost of imperialisms through drones and special forces. A draft would just accelerate this.
>>129988282Are they as based as this?https://youtu.be/kml-DnHoG9IWhere's your dome?I paid for it and I demand to know!You're a little slowSo let's paraglide over to the raver showYou can Hannibal those broadsAnd no one has to knowThe war crimes and the griftYou're a long, long wayFrom october 6thAtrocities, in self defenseWithout a right to exist!You're a long way from October 6thOctober 6thDismembered bobsJiggling in the middle of the bombed out roadWhere's the video?I was promised rapesAnd babies in microwavesAll i see are drugged out thotsHiding in underbrushThe war crimes and the griftYou're a long, long wayFrom october 6thRockets fall and missiles slipYou're a long way from October 6thIt was a new day, a new world.It'll never be October 6th again.Welcome to the new 10/7 World!The new 10/7 World!The war crimes are the griftYou're a long, long wayFrom october 6thAtrocities, in self defenseWithout a right to exist!You're a long way from October 6thRockets fall and missiles slipYou're a long, long way, A long, long way,You're a long, long way from October 6thYou're a long way from-It'll never be October 6th again!
>>129986661>>129986736Less than 25% of Americans say they support Trump's actions in Iran.Compare that to how 40% of Americans supported the Vietnam War at its lowest.There is no reason why explicitly anti-war pop songs by established pop artists couldn't become successful and chart highly even without an industry push.
>>129988214>The chances of Trump sending loads of boots on the ground to Iran are less than zero.Trump says Iran is willing to make a deal with him since the blockade is working. He knows what he's doing. He's playing the Iran situation according to The Art of the Deal.There isn't going to be a reboot of this war.
>>129988312See>>129987697Another thing I forgot to add: music isn't half as profitable as it used to be. Unless you got the distribution channels, paid media appearances and ample merchandising, you aren't going to make shit off album sales alone or make that much of an impact politically. Bruce Springsteen who has a massive reach was only able to preach to his own choir with his song about Minneapolis. Yes, it has roughly 3.5 million streams, but it isn't moving the needle politically or culturally.
>>129988312Look what the industry did to Kanye. They'll do the same to any artist who steps out of line and criticizes this war, and it'll be insurmountable for the majority of artists who don't have the wealth, fame and rabid fanbase that Kanye already had beforehand.>>129988338>He knows what he's doing.It amazes me that there are still unironic MIGA cultists left who believe this.
>>129988378Kanye just performed two sold-out shows in LA in front of 80,000 people. The only reason BULLY underperformed is because it was a mid-tier album full of AI. Ye clearly has autistic burnout. You can't blame "the Jews" for this.
>>129986661>wanting political music from Billie EilishShe's dumb as a rock and 2014 Tumblr girls were smarter and more politically-aware than her.
>>129988390Kanye was one of the richest artists on the planet before the blacklisting and has one of the most devoted, entrenched fanbases in music. That's why he can still make it work on his own after the industry blacklisted him.Your average artist or band stuck in a 360 deal, not even owning their own publishing, with a tepid fanbase that can easily drop them for the next new thing, would not be able to endure even half of what Kanye did. It would completely destroy their career. So even if they're against the war, they're not going to risk what is already a tenuous gig in the best of times just to write an anti-war song about a war that the vast majority of Americans already hate without their input.
>>129988448What makes you assume being against the Iran War will get an artist blacklisted? If you're going to pull the "LABELS ARE OWNED BY EVIL JEWISH ZIONISTS" do realize Kehlani was outspoken for Palestine all last year and her career not only recovered from the criticism but went into overdrive (she has a top 10 Billboard hit and won two Grammys).
>>129986661much like protest, protest music is useless. the people need correct theory and correct practice. lenin never put any of his works to song.
>>129986661What are you talking about protest music is stronger than ever. Trump himself covered We Are The World with other countries's presidents
>>129986661Culture is entirely dictated by Spotify algorithms. Even the whole idea of "the pop star" or the "voice of a generation" is on the wane.
>>129988378Kanye never criticized Israel or Zionism once.
The reason we don't have protest music anymore is because the protest music of the 60s was a response to the draft you idiots. There is currently no draft, Trump's shit in Iran is being fought with a volunteer military force who wants to be there. That's it. It's really not more complicated than that. We don't need to here your dumb fucking armchair analysis
>>129989015That's literally what OP was saying. America doesn't do the draft anymore, it funds proxy armies from the local population and sends them to do their dirty work. That's what Trump and Bibi were thinking about doing with the Kurds in Iran.
>>129989171OP went on some weird diatribe about politics and the 1960s. It's just because we don't have a draft. It doesn't have to be more complicated than that. I guess you could also argue that Zoomers really don't have any positions to defend because they're all sheltered and don't go outside, so their opinions are formed by living vicariously through other people on the internet, and without any of that firsthand experience, their outrage is just reduced to performative activism and doomerposting
>>129987666They are both fake leftist champagne socialists.
>>129986661I'm gonna run that third paragraph through gpt and figure out what the exact difference in types of warfare breed certain kinds of politicsYes I'm autistic. I'm a philosopher who is a semi retired musician.
>>129986661>The anti-war music we’re all used to was very much a product of the 60s New Left, It wasn't part of the "left/right" psyop. People decided that they were not going to die for the war industry. If there was a draft you may see protest, but you ate not going to see a mainstream artist stand up without record company problems. All media and record companies are owned by the same cabal. Try to put anything bon any platform and you will be banned or shadow banned. All true dissent is smashed and heavily propagandized as a great evil. The "left and right" have been the tools of the same internationalist, one world corporate beast for many decades. No musican is going to fight that beast unscathed.
>>129986661hmmm interesting point OP
Any political song by someone born after 1980 is cringe
>>129988353>tripfag forgets that septaugenarians don't typically have as much cultural pull as 25 year olds
https://youtu.be/e4f_VFvKT1Y?si=D08BMqRdAx2lnfAI
who's going to perform or listen to it? remember, to a zoomer, caring about anything is cringe.
>>129988242You are ignoring the facts if you think the COVID lockdowns were inconsequential to the 2020 riots. They most certainly were. 20 million out of work, an unemployment rate unseen since the Great Depression and an economy in freefall primed people for just about anything. Let's compare the 1992 LA riots and 2014-2015 BLM riots (Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner). All of those received national media attention and nationwide protests, but the civil unrest/riots were largely contained in the cities where the precipitating events occurred. George Floyd's 2020 riots sparked nationwide civil unrest with similar cases like the Jacob Blake case sparking their own unrest. Without the lockdowns and unemployment, the riots would've been contained exactly to Minneapolis with possible nationwide protests but not a fraction as destructive as the 2020 riots were. >>129989785I'm more than aware that every generation thinks they're year 0. The point being is that protest music as it exists today lacks the necessary conditions for it to have any weight.
>>129989467Yes
>>129986661Zoomers don’t need anti-war music when they have TikTok and Xitter.
>>129986661>Iran warThere is no war. That's why there's no anti iran war music
>>129991116Right. It’s just a bunch of images like the Gulf War was.
>3 letter agencies instigate the vietnam war>3 letter agencies assets create the protest music about itCan someone explain this phenomenon to me?
>>129986736>>129986933Joe Hill and Víctor Jara were literally martyred for making protest songs.What will happen to Billie and Kehlani when they do the same? Right, they’ll get called “stunning” and “brave” by white liberals. Maybe they’ll get a bit of criticism from the right but nothing close to outright persecution. Not a single musician has ever been killed for speaking out against Israel.
Protest music is almost universally shit because it cares more about the message than actually sounding good. It's the same reason political comedy is shit because the comedian is looking for applause rather than laughter.
>>129991747Huge generalization once you consider how Woodie Guthrie songs are still sung today every time unions go on strike.
>>129986736How do you explain nearly every musician speaking out against Israel? These anti-semitic conspiracy theories fall apart if you think about them longer then 2 seconds
>>129992677And none of them have suffered anything close to the amount of blackballing that Kanye has suffered for… being an actual antisemite.Again, Kehlani wouldn’t be seeing the best success of her career so far if the industry was deliberately attacking artists who are pro-Palestine. Kehlani is an Afro-Latina too so don’t give me the whiteness bullshit.
>>129986661Because it's not rebellious anymore since just about everything in society is liberal
>>129993024Wouldn’t that mean anti-war songs would have a strong audience?
>>129993024your terminally cynic brain can't compute people having genuine shared morals
Because the left has been a massive failure since 2020 when it liquidated itself into the Democratic Party in the name of fighting Trumpism and covid. Your average American “anarchist” or “Marxist” is merely a Democrat in a keffiyeh.
>>129986675TL;DR: Billie needs to show those tiddies to protest the Iran war.
>>129992677It's like you never heard of Liberal Zionism. Most Jews worldwide are Liberal Zionists. Sure, they support Palestinian rights and some would even be open to a two-state solution, but Liberal Zionists are as much for the continued existence of the State of Israel as are the most odious Greater Israel Zionists you see on the American Right. They tolerate pro-Palestine statements from artists for no better reason than to keep their potential enemies closer and to control the opposition from ever crossing over into actual antisemitism.
>>129993700And what exactly is wrong with liberal Zionism?
>>129994123All forms of Zionism are a threat to all non-Jews.
>>129994123The point was to explain why a massive swath of entertainers are speaking up about Palestine whereas previous generations would've kept quiet. The other factor, as I've previously stressed before, is the death of American monoculture. Now that we have everyone reading from different scripts and consequently people absorbing their information online, people can coalesce around different points of view.
>>129986661the pop musicians today are either too illiterate or low iq to even have an opinion about politics.https://www.bitchute.com/video/8GffNizSnCnc
>>129994147Why?>>129994154>is the death of American monoculture. The algorithm isn't a monoculture?
>>129993700Kek, Kehlani was literally accused of supporting Hamas and liberal Zionist organizations were the ones demanding she be cancelled. Guess what? It didn't work.
>>129994276Maybe so, but until she pulls a Kanye, odds are she'll still be able to keep her career going so long as she brings in the money and keeps her personal life clean.
>>129994289Kanye has never expressed support for Palestine, at least not in a serious manner. Ye was cancelled for legitimate antisemitism and promotion of Nazism. Kehlani is a communist IIRC.
>>129994300That was sorta implied that she's not an antisemite and will only face cancellation should she arrive there or get dropped from her label for lack of sales, personal misconduct or some combination thereof. If she's a genuine leftist, then plenty of Jews will be happy to have her.
>>129994312Being pro-Palestine and being antisemitic are two entirely different things. The question isn't about being cancelled for real antisemitism, the question is about being cancelled for simply being pro-Palestine. So far, being pro-Palestine doesn't get you cancelled (as we have seen), so the notion that you would be cancelled for making pro-Palestine protest music is bullshit.
>>129991283https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD49vdreggw
>>129994320I never claimed that to be the case. Being pro-Palestine or critical of Israel caused entertainers trouble decades back, but certainly not now especially given that Millennials and Zoomers are overwhelmingly pro-Palestine. Those who control the entertainment industry have to make concessions if they want to remain in business.
>>129994336Stop shilling Caleb Maupin. That man lost a debate to Mike Peinovich and Joseph "Eric Striker" Jordan. No one should take anything he says seriously.
>>129994388>Those who control the entertainment industry have to make concessions if they want to remain in businessThere's not much they can do DESU.
>>129994401Pretty much. They're either stuck with making sales or sticking to their deep-seated beliefs at the expense of relevance and profit.
>>129986736>it's because music industry is kissing the asses of jewsSince when?How many artists have overly come out in support of Israel vs. how many of them support Palestine?Olivia Rodrigo, for instance, just made a video about children in war and one of the places highlighted was Gaza.The only people who are still super pro-Israel are boomers and Gen Xers who are culturally irrelevant today.
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>>129993664i can get behind this
>>129986661HH was technically a protest song.
who is paying you OP?
>>129986661https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0u_BNPOsMw
>>129995148My grad school advisor.
>>129995165ok, well stuff like that takes time. you can't just use a calculator because then you need to learn everything later
>>129986661>Billie Eilish>has won multiple Grammys and two OscarsProtip: if the establishment is rewarding you this much, you ARE the establishment.
>>129986661>The anti-war music we’re all used to was very much a product of the 60s New Left>>129988312>There is no reason why explicitly anti-war pop songs by established pop artists couldn't become successful and chart highly even without an industry push.>>129988390>Kanye just performed two sold-out shows in LA in front of 80,000 people. I think it's weird and much more complicated than people liking/disliking war, because the 1960s had a massive wave of politicized art, especially music. The whole counter-culture then really did feel OUTSIDE the system in a way that it doesn't now, and it also the counter-culture and the music involved could freak people out. We just don't understand that because if you're posting on /mu/ you were probably born much later, and we hear the Rolling Stones in a commercial and don't think of them as scaring mom and dad (because they are mom and dad, or grandpa and grandma).If you want to see some artists who have really gotten blacklisted, see Little Big. But they're Russians and left Russia and they will be arrested if they go back there because the Kremlin just wants people to listen to Shaman and Oleg Gazmanov:https://youtu.be/7Yy4RP4FMNk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-57FrioeuE>release a song titled "Boots on the ground" in the current state of global affairs>it's about le ICE protests, homeless veterans and BLM with no mention of Iran warWhat's wrong with boomers bro
>>129986661zoomers are devoid of creativity it really is that simple the liberal mind is no longer liberal in thought expression and creativity its a group think idealist closed loop
extremely interesting subject that warrants real discussion.extremely retarded post just to make a /pol/ spam thread.can’t have shit on this board because of you fags now jfc
>>129986661The real reason we don't see protest music anymore is because the working class is asleep
>>129996798>Ask inherently political question>Get mad when the answers are political???
>>129994276Who tf is khelani?
>>129986661Its because nobody gives a shit about the war in iran. Barely any americans died, gas never reached the price level it reached in 2022 and is already falling, and not even the worst of the online tankie left us going to simp for ayatollahsNormies dont give a shit
>>129999153Look at the billboard charts.
No kings day = boomersStop ice = millenials#gaza = zoomersAll generations must find their own dumb shit
>>129999253Uh no? Lol
>>129986661Why didn't libshits make protest rock when Obabomba attacked Libya?
>>129987085>There’s no evidence the labels support the war.Besides the fact that all of the labels are…Nevermind
>>129992633Interesting how Guthrie is now being celebrated by one of the most elite universities in the world at a school owned by one of the music industry’s most powerful people.
>>129999439Because they’re owned by Jewish guys, right? So why do these labels allow their artists to be pro-Palestine?
>>129999543See>>129993700
>>129999431OP already answered that:>>129986661>The overall American left has been stuck when it comes to effective anti-war activism. The way the US does war nowadays isn’t Vietnam but El Salvador: instead of sending in a bajillion troops to invade/occupy the US just funds proxy armies and now uses drone/aerial warfare. That’s what Obama did in Syria last decade, for instance.
>>129999431>>129999813>The war needs to conform to a method of warfare that the left knows how to effectively oppose.
>>129999526What is recuperation?
>>130000169Why would academic elites hold workshops on Woodie Guthrie if the message of his music is so “threatening” to said elites?
>>130000394So they can twist his message of class solidarity and turn it into woke intersectional bullshit.
>>130000684And how will they do that?
>>129999825Yes of course the Iraq War was conventional boots on the ground so they could protest that even if it was pretty silly since it wasn't a draft army.
>>129999431Obama was the “peace president”.
>>129999813Technically that doctrine was already being used by the Reagan Administration--targeted bombings like Libya in 86 and small raids/interventions like Grenada but mostly they just funded insurgencies. What Bush did was a really backward reversion to Vietnam-style combat.
>>130000808Yes, exactly. The Iraq War stands out in the fact it was a full-scale invasion and not sone through the funding of proxies/contras.
>>129999526Someone tweet this to Caleb Maupin yo get his response.
>>129999526NYU also bans all criticism of Zionism. Anyone who cares about Palestine should boycott that institution fully along with all books written by faculty.
>>129987692no consumption aloud
>>129987692>>130000914truly we live in a matrix: revolutions of sorts, amirite?
