Backhaus edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhc-DphuAKk&list=OLAK5uy_n-lLSy2KTlTyd4q3MJx69gYDtdlJmfnCk&index=1This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129994736
Backhaus' Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuscIIr7PQI
Have you ever considered how hot it is to see a performer’s O face, as they climax during whatever stupid Chopin nocturne?If you’re watching the pianists fingers, I hate to break it, you’re an emotionally broken nerd. Watch the face. Make eye contact with the performer, if possible. And it never hurts to stick a hand down there, too, for the best results.
>>130018716what about Frönthaus?
>>130018738Yulianna Avdeeva's Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu4GvDu3Lgw&list=PLTmn2qD3aSQs5S_ey0HQdBEpByk-h3Nxc
>>130018739I actually started searching for that name, fucking lol
Scrabin
>>130018786is love.
It's Boccherini time
What did he mean by post-African repetitions?
>>130018804no, anon. no!
>>130018811nigger garbage presumably.
>>130018877thank you AIslop sister
>>130018877jej
So everyone knows and praises the Barenboim Ring on CD, but how is it on DVD? Very... new wave, industrial, digital. Very coming of a new millennium.
Does anyone else find the third movement of Brahms 2nd concerto lacking compared to the rest of the piece?The first 2 movements are masterpieces, I can recall every moment, every detail and talk about it, the finale is catchy as fuck and my third favorite movement. The third however, obviously has that beautiful cello theme, but my mind sometimes wanders off in later section. And yet, from what I've heard, it's the 4th movement that gets the most hate.It's still great music and I know I'm splitting hairs, just wanted to know what you guys think.1 > 2 > 4 > 3 for me
>>130018877STEAK
>>130018716Who?!
>>130018716>>130015213the best symphony of that #>no numberFranck>1Nielsen>2Borodin>3Rimsky-Korsakov, Beethoven>4Yoshimatsu, Nielsen>5Beethoven>6Beethoven>7Beethoven>8meh>9Beethoven>10BonusStravinsky Symphonies, and Haydn's 45, 101, and 94>>130018804Que Viva Espana!
>>130019038he was one of Ŕãûndħåüş's most notable students.
>>130019088based for including Nielsen but I gotta be honest, anon, Rimsky-Korsakov might have the dullest symphonies of any good composer in all the repertoire. I don't think I'd even accept free tickets to attend a performance. but to each their own
>my favorite Nocturne is 20 C# minor What kind of person is this?
>>130019014The 4th movement lacks the gravitas one would expect from a final movement, I always expect there to follow a 5th movement that is more like the final movements of Rach 2 or 3. Sometimes I also think that if the movement had that kind of fake-out like the finale of Mendelssohn's violin concerto then I wouldn't mind the lighter texture so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI5mcsPWUmo kek
>>130019014Almost all of Brahms' music is noticeably better in the first half. Not so much he doesn't know how to close, but more he believes in leading with his best ideas.
>>130019125I love the Russian 5's musical style and like especially the way Rimsky-Korsakov handles melodies and harmonies so the 3rd Symphony is never a bore or chore to listen to.Nielsen is so harmonically fresh and rhythmically exciting, I fell in love with him in the first minute of his 1st symphony. Whenever anyone says tonality is done, I show them Nielsen and Poulenc.I'm also adding La mer to my symphony list for the 10 spot because why the fuck not.
>>130019312Funny because I have a similar feeling for the finale of Rach 3 as for Brahms 2 third movement, it's lacking compared to the other movements. Whereas Rach 2 is consistent. I have no issue with the finale of Brahms 2 whatsoever, it's perfect imho, unlike the third movement.>>130019324>Almost all of Brahms' music is noticeably better in the first half. I think that's true for majority of pieces by any composer ever.
What's a Passacaglia?
>>130019433When you pass a caglia
!!!!This should be fun. Since it's Luisi, expect for the volume to blow up your speakers worse than Solti. But otherwise he's a pretty good conductor.
>>130018716Looks like The Elephant Man with that haircut
>>130019509here's the cast list. Will it top Zweden/Hong Kong as the Ring of the 21st century (so far)? We shall see.>>130019591lol yeah Lynch was my first thought too
Do you prefer the early, core or later romantics, and why?
>>130019344Completely agree on Nielsen. All of his symphonies start out hot. I guess I'll give Rimsky's symphonies another try on your recommendation. Which recording/set do you recommend? Kitajenko? Neeme Jarvi?
>>130019623I guess later. Primarily because there's a ton more quality in the non-top tier of composers and repertoire. For early and core, it's just the big names for the most part.
>>130019623Early just because Chopin is the one true God.Otherwise later because that's realistically when the sophistication of classical music reached its peak (Mahler)
>>130019038Bella Lugosi is dead
>>130019851>6 genres in 100 years vs 5 genres in 1300The people in the past were just fucking around. Modern people are so much better they get shit done they weren’t even trying before the 19th century
>>130019851Nonsense.
>>130019896Why?
Chopin Twenty-Four Preludes Opus 28>Vladimir AshkenazyThe audio is honestly kind of bad, and the interpretation is nothing to write home about either except for a very nice No. 13.>Evgeny KissinNot sure what to make of this one. Some of the interpretive choices sound strange, but I can't quite put my finger on why, and he doesn't turn the pieces completely on their heads like Katsaris does either. He even plays a few completely conventional. I guess you could call it idiosyncratic.>Ingrid FliterClear and straightforward with relatively slow tempi throughout. Good for what it is but didn't blow me away or anything. Great No. 23.
What's the best source for downloading high quality rips of classical recordings? I'm on redacted for a private music tracker, but their economy is horseshit and I can barely download anything.
>>130020519rutracker dot org
>>130020519Soulseek, google 'rutracker + [recording]'
>>130020546>that pic:333333
>>130020419Kissins does sound strange. I've listened to it a few times over the years and kind of enjoy it but also kinda don't. I like Fliters too. Pollinis is the gold standard for me but for contemporary ones Aimi Koboyashis is pretty good.The Rubinstein ones are too low quality but I'm sure they'd be great otherwise.
I might just outsource my posts to Chatgpt -it know its stuff
>>130020419Nice, back at it. Pretty much agreed on all counts, except I probably like Fliter's a bit more. Make sure to try Mao Fujita's in the next batch! Curious what you think.
It can even accurately rank Beethoven's symphonies
>>130020632>profoundly human:eyeroll::Very much unlike the creator of the pic!
>>130020334You either show the internal diversity of all periods, including Medieval and Renaissance, or you don't. Flattening 900 years into two boxes while singling out things like Impressionism as a "bridge" (a bridge to what?) is stupid, especially when actual transitional styles like galant/Empfindsamkeit are left out.Then most of the 20th century gets arbitrarily split into overlapping labels, even though it could just as easily be grouped under Modernism. And those aren't even the same kind of categories. Some are stylistic, some technical, some just vague umbrellas. So it can't decide whether it's using broad periods or fine-grained styles, and ends up doing both badly. It's incoherent.
>>130020632Tell your retarded AI to rank Scriabin's sonatas. I want to laugh.
It's so weird people learn voice leading and fuge writing in school. It's like learning Medieval looming or something-it's obsolete
>>130020747I never studied music, but I assume because it provides a structure to aspire to and learn from. Much like with rhyming schemes and meter with writing verse.
>>130020747Bait or retardation?
>>130020632I listened to all the Beethoven symphonies (most for the first time) last week. Here is the trvth nvke
>>130020860Forgot trvth nvke
>>130020871Top 3 is good, kinda weird the rest but good you have your own preferences!
>>130020747No, it's like learning fundamental painting techniques like highlight, shadow, reflection etc.Philosophically you could argue it limits your creative expression, but in practice it amplifies your creativiry and gives you a workframe. All the worthwhile art & music is working within some kind of framework and law - but the all the great art expands the boundries, breaks rules, but by knowing them in the first place.
it's pronounced 'giuseppe berdy'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4FW0WTnBU0&list=OLAK5uy_lx_uR3PNflNtbMZEtsrlvdK2mvWy9l0V4&index=3
>>130020614>Austria >France, Debussy
>>130020896no. people don't use them anymore
>>130021136Debussy was from France though?
>>130021170he's saying there are better french composers
>>130020871>8 that low>5 over 6 and 8
>>130021254Let them speak for themselves
how's this for an idea for a comic, just thought it up on my walk>setting: Richard Wagner teaching a classroom in inner-city America>title: Inspiration Can Come From Anywhere>Richard Wagner, addressing the students: "Now, can you all pronounce, 'That's Rheingold?">Students: "Das Rheingold.">Richard Wagner, internal: Das brilliant!>caption: A violent incident an hour later involving Mr. Walker and a student would inspire the next title in the tetralogy.:D
watching the NBA playoffs on mute while listening to classical :)
>>130020614>Charles Villiers StanfordI've seen a couple recordings of his works around but never listened. His music any good? Or typical Anglo-flavored late-romanticism slop?
>>130020614fuck AI and AI users even if they're being le ironic xd
>>130017099>So you prefer period instrument ensembles playing his music?Never really thought of it that way, but I guess I do. Period instruments are always good, so long as they're played properly (but then again hopefully that's true of any instrument)>>130020747>learning Medieval loomingSounds pretty cool, honestly. Do you only seek to learn or understand things that have an immediate, practical, pragmatic and functional application? That's a very dull, colourless and sad life you lead if so. Consider acquiring some whimsy.
>>130021764People generally don't pay to go school out of whimsy
>tfw Boulez clicked
>>130021967lead poinsoning finally advanced enough
>>130020546>>130020551Even RT fails sometimes, e.g. I can't find the Zuzcikova Poulenc/Martinu harpsichord album or Bax's harp chamber music there
>>130021991Seek medical help stop eating and drinking the lead, it's not good for you
>>130022015Well, you get what you pay for.
Is Rattle's Mahler as bad as Dave claims? I'm no expert, but I recently saw his Mahler 2 live and wasn't bowled over by it: I loved hearing it live, but I figure any reasonably competent performance would have produced the same reaction, the thrill was actually hearing the piece being played. Now I can't tell if it's because the interpretation objectively wasn't that great or because Dave's senile Jewish rants have poisoned me against Rattle (I didn't love hearing his Firebird live last year either). Here's him doing the same program with the same ensemble a day later elsewhere, anyone care to look? I think the whole thing's kind of rushed, the final movement most of all: the whole choral finale's WAY, WAY too rushed, there's no weight to it. The only movement where the spritely tempo felt entirely justified was the scherzo, the rest varied from fine to too fast to way too fast. Didn't love the soloists either, found them too warbly (but that could be because I'm unaccustomed to vocal music). Thinking back on it, I'm actually mad Rattle robbed me of the majesty of the last 5 minutes with his excessively fast playing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZLteE1RWgo
>>130019636To be honest, I haven't branched out of the Neeme Jarvi recordings because I always been satisfied the way he conducts Russian music, so in my biased opinion start with him, but this guy anichanov does a wonderful jobhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Osnhowfzjo&list=RD_Osnhowfzjo&start_radio=1I can smell the crisp winter Russian air just in those first 30 seconds alone.
I want to understand Scriabin.
>>130022161rattle's everything is bad
When he played excerpts for friends, he would stare off in the distance away from the piano, as if watching effluvium rise from the floor and walls around him. He seemed frightened and sometimes shuddered.
>>130021143Yes, and as a result no good music is made anymore either.
>>130022161>Is Rattle's Mahler as bad as Dave claims?Many love it, some hate it. It's up to you how you feel.
>>130021908You have a distorted, borderline pathological idea of both what whimsy is and what the pursuit of the arts is all about. Reconsider your life.
>>130022769What a ridiculous post
>>130022446No, his Szymanowski is literally the best on record
>>130022787>seeking higher education for the sheer joy it brings to your life is ridiculousHeartbreaking
>>130022377Welcome to the Diner
>>130022377>>130023218Welcome friends, baptize yourself in opium and listen to Mysterium, and a new world and horizon shall open up for you.
Why aren't you listening to Scriabin anons'? Can't handle the pandiatonic psychic shifts?
>>130023406His music is ugly more often than it is beautiful. That's all.
>>130022790>his crap is the best on record
fun fact: despite only being together onstage for one scene (Wotan's last), Wotan and Siegfried both have the same total number of scenes in the Ring, each being onstage for 13 scenes spaced out across all the operas' acts
What are the best recording of the English Suites on harpsichord?
>>130023712Filtered so hard by the musical Messiah, get fucked
it's Ockeghem and Obrecht for me, then maybe Morales, Rore, and Gombert, and probably Victoria and Lassus and last but not least Gesualdo.
>>130023751I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't an unlikeable cunt
minimalism completed classical
I like Wagner, Mahler and Scriabin but I'm embarrassed to cause of their fans.
>>130024258You're weak
>>130024223for this century at least I would have to agree. 20th century composers gave 21st century composers a vast pallet to draw from, resulting in not only new possibilities for complexity but also new possibilities for simplicity.
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P0HPYg6RS8&list=OLAK5uy_mEJ0aOjK1GTUcvtu3FZpuGAhZr2bUFodc&index=77
favorite Beethoven 7 recording?
>>130026167Bernstein/Viennahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJT90o_89wU&list=OLAK5uy_n-jO5APIL_q9quwfY7tAEEkDnD4KI0MPA&index=26orBlomstedt/Staatskapelle Dresdenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOhdL2wBGnY&list=OLAK5uy_kZSWihYITz0xdD9NoyLkYGZuIOCKegvYQ&index=26orKarajan/BPOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onS70p6Mam0&list=OLAK5uy_nhN2Yat-dAC08OfZn3tg16DTkXr__iEcE&index=26
Is lieder pronounced like 'liter' or more like 'lighter'?
>>130026865i've always said it like "leader"
BEST Missa Solemnis (Beethoven)?
>>130026906Karajan for sumptuous beauty, Klemperer for reverence and spirituality, Bernstein/Concertgebouw for excitement and vitality. Take your pick.
>>130026897take me to your lieder.
>>130025358are you saying that XXI century composers are good, and that they're good BECAUSE of the post,o minimalslop debacle?
>>130026865It's pronounced "lieder", you know, the way germans pronounce german words.
https://theclassicreview.com/best-of/top-five-stravinsky-the-rite-of-spring-the-best-recordings/>Top Five – Stravinsky – The Rite of Spring – The Best Recordings>Cleveland Orchestra, Pierre Boulez>New York Philharmonic, Leonard Bernstein>Philharmonia Orchestra, Igor Markevitch>Kirov Orchestra, Valery Gergiev>City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra, Simon Rattlehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64LBVVHDxPg&list=OLAK5uy_kLwMjKlFl6--Z7tAQneFyQra_tPfOEzbs&index=11
>>130027625>>Kirov Orchestra, Valery GergievMy all-time Fave
Music only existed for the short period of time from around 1809 to 1925.
>>1300279691842 to 1883 actually.
>>130028083Excluding Wagner because music is instrumental, shrieking a.k.a. "singing" is vulgar and not music.
>>130020747Wrong. Sounds like you should go to school.
movie night
>>130019433Its nothing, these types of music are all just vibe based. Passacaglia's sometimes have a continuous bass pattern but even then not always
>>130028647>it's nothing, everything is the same, nothing matters or means anything, I am so smart and nihilistic
>>130028634utter garbage.
What is the Whiplash of classical?
not quite me tempo
>>130029021The actual conservatory.
>>130029117can confirm. you need skin thicker than a gumboot if you want to survive as a conservatory student.
Any of you anons know how to compose?
>>130029192if you don't have any raw talent to start with you're gonna have a bad time.
>>130029203I've been told I do, but everything I’ve made over the years has only got worse.
>>130029218post some samples then.
>>130029232Why? It's all shit. Have something I just started.https://voca.ro/12zOFvgxaqSX
>>130029320Sounds like a Touhou track.
>>130029320Correct. And Junya Ota is a genius, his compositions will be studied by future generations.
>>130029403>>130029344
Wanna hear the best interpretation of Tchaikovsky piano concerto's introduction?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1lRdGhdp1U
>>130020419>Nelson FreireLike the gentle caress of a lover. Lacks some firepower in the B-section of No. 15. The sound is also a bit iffy, but that can be forgiven.>Mao FujitaWhen he deviates from conventional wisdom, e.g. in No. 12, it seems forced; when he changes up the tempo, he has a tendency to rush or drag. When he gets everything right, he mostly just sounds like eveyone else.>Louis LortieYou can tell that he tried to put his spin on the set, but it mostly just sounds like a standard interpretation with the personal bits glued on top.>Mikhail PletnevYou get the feeling that he is a museum curator handling a priceless artifact with silken gloves to present all its facets to a visitor. Soft and subdued, but also surprisingly playful sometimes. Brings the bass and inner voices to the fore almost as often as the melody. Nos. 18, 22 and 24 sounded a bit geriatric, No. 20 might be the quickest on record. Stronger in the first half of the set, but overall very good.
>>130029192I'm a maestro in bed.
>>130029881Love Freire's Chopin :3Surprised you tried and liked that new Pletnev recording.
>>130030942Surprised that I tried it or surprised that I liked it? Anyway, I get the feeling that it is the kind of recording that will lose its luster upon repeat listening rather quickly.
What would be the best Mozart piano concerto cycle sound quality wise (no pianoforte)?
>>130031208The four I would consider are Perahia, Barenboim, Buchbinder, and Uchida.
>>130031208>>130031330Sound quality doesn't really hinge on performers now does it
>>130031498...no but how else am I supposed to refer to their cycles?
>>130031522You don't
>>130031330>>130031498>>130031522>>130031532Ok, but that's three I don't have, thanks for the suggestion.
>>130031522>>130031532Use barcode.
>>130031842barcode mark of entechrist satanic lasers in your food and tvs stop using barcores
>>1300318600 7464-35828-1
>>130031870vede retro saten this is a house of the christ
>>1300318784 600383 162911track 22
>>130031904tough i walk thru teh vale of dark I am not afraid there is god he feeds me
The fact Thielemann released a second Ring cycle with the Vienna State Orchestra only a few years after his first one with the Bayreuth Festival Orchestra, one that was initially billed as the high-budget Ring cycle of the 21st century, a putative landmark recording to bring Wagner's masterpiece up-to-date with modern production, orchestral performance, and singing, makes me wonder if it wasn't so much a cashgrab and more Thielemann (and perhaps the label DG?) weren't happy with the first set, so he wanted to improve on his efforts, whether with interpretive changes or perhaps a better cast of singers, who knows. I think about this because I'm starting to warm up to the first cycle, but if Thielemann himself wasn't happy with it, then maybe I should follow his lead. I do know the first set more than a little criticism about the singing. My main issue with the second set is the balancing, the orchestra just sounds so recessed, the first cycle has a much fuller sound.It's funny going back and reading contemporary reviews of the first cycle, because like I said, it was very much marketed as a landmark event, so knowing a second set would come out only four(?) or so years later kinda nullifies that and changes the context lol.first set with Bayreuthhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe0Ipos5VFQ&list=OLAK5uy_mEJ0aOjK1GTUcvtu3FZpuGAhZr2bUFodc&index=189second set with Vienna State (the same orchestra used in the Solti cycle)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro3GqHjF2XY&list=OLAK5uy_lfrUABKDy1AzdYDGYgaUOcUiqyxgAqgNI&index=129
christcucks
>>130031935why do modern opera singers sound so wobbly anyway?
>>130019088why no 10? are you stupid?
>>130032369why no 76? are you stupid?
>>130032376why would you include a 76 if symphonies of that number are not commonly peformed?No. 10s, on the other hand, are, and you even included the number 10 with no symphony as though you were making some (stupid) point
>>130032407bro thinks he's talking to >>130019088 lol, lmao
>>130032334it's because they're liberals
>>130029881>he had a tendency to rush or dragWell was he rushing or dragging?
>>130019088>no numberBruckner>0Bruckner>1Bruckner>2Bruckner>3Bruckner>4Bruckner>5Bruckner>6Bruckner>7Bruckner>8Bruckner>9Bruckner>10Spohr
>>130032541This, but Mahler for every #
>>130032541This but George Lloyd for every #
>>130032643holy, imperially based
>George Lloyd
>>130032663This post reeks of squalor and lower-class.
Brahms would shit his pants if he heard Mahler 9.
>>130032741globalize the English proletariat cause NOW>>130032765true
Listening to Barenboim perform at this age is fucking terrible. I feel bad for the audience and orchestra that had to endure this torture, I can almost feel the cramped, old fingers on my handshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VghJWGQ2IU0
>>130032981Yeah I checked the recording of this out and it is the definition of stodgy.
Best Rachmaninoff pianists?
>so, anon, I heard you like opera.>oh, heavens no, I like Wagner.
>>130032663no one cared about your Fouldsless post the first time, no need to screencap and repost it like it's some treasured memory of when you were le epic xd
>>130033035In a broad sense? I guess Lugansky, Ashkenazy, and Giltburg. But I'd go on the case-by-case basis.
>>130032966>Listening to Barenboim perform [...] is fucking terribleCorrect.
>>130033035Rachmaninoff himself. Moiseiwitsch. Horowitz.
>>130033035There aren't really any complete, overview Rachmaninoff sets like there are for Chopin or Debussy or Ravel or Beethoven.
>>130033065Which ones would you recommend in the cases of the Etudes-Tableaux and the Preludes?
This recording has the power to save the worldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-4XyTkaNGk&list=OLAK5uy_kvPN--L2WbHcjvGA0q9PsdRrVeubphfDc&index=6
>>130033077>Rachmaninoff himselfnow with 50% more hiss!
>>130033123>Etudes-TableauxLugansky, Zlata Chochieva, and Nicholas Angelichhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0fJ_DunTm0&list=OLAK5uy_mneent_OlNNoD_WIZy892OS-S7INXKawk&index=7>PreludesLugansky, Giltburg, Weissenberg, Ashkenazyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD85Am_mcxI&list=OLAK5uy_m0pDctvBpaWlPW9EfZRtGjPSEc03O7Xis&index=5
>>130033141And 200% more expressiveness!
/classical/ meet-up will happen in Istanbul.
>>130033244What's that? Can't hear what you're "expressing" over the wall of surface noise and primitive recording tech limitations
>>130033330Skill issue.
>>130032334Some of the more informed anons can give a better, more detailed answer, but pretty much Wagnerian singing is not conducive to the techniques and training employed by modern opera singers. Me, personally, I prefer to view it terms of a classic style and modern style, instead of skill and lack of skill, but yeah, the way modern opera vocalists sing, when they sing Wagner parts and lines, it results in a wobble.
>>130033567No, recording issue, get the shit out of your eyes
>>130033595he asked why though
>>130033611>A wobble also occurs, or mostly occurs when a singer with a lyrical voice tries to sing dramatic repertoire. These singers tend to thicken and darken their middle register. They start pushing the voice to sound more dramatic, and the sound turns into a wobble, especially when they try to sing in forte.
>>130033625Next time lead with the actual answer
>>130033670Man, if I wasn't 5'8 120lbs soaking wet, I'd beat you up
Mahler's 10th is a huge downgrade from the 9th.
>>130033681>I'm wetgay
>>130033757or at least it would be if it existed
>>130033757First movement of Mahler 10 is single greatest symphonic movement that anyone has ever conceived.The rest is incomplete, even drafts could've been heavily modified, so it cannot be rated.
>>130033757this >>130033825It's just a more personal work, whereas the 8th and 9th are epics that capture the universe and world-historical movements.
Hot take: Brahms 2 is better than Beethoven 5 and 8
>>130033851Most things are better than Beethoven 8
>>130033851Better than 5 maybe but not sure about 8
Has anyone listened through Ashkenazy's Shostakovich symphony cycle? I feel like doing another complete listen, and maybe going with his set. I wish I could go through the Barshai set but sadly YouTube Music doesn't have it. Maybe I'll download it...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hru7k9IN2DU&list=OLAK5uy_khpmt8Y8SqGVPqiX0aZo_wvfCxq9aUCiQ&index=5
>>130033851Beethoven 8 is the best Beethoven symphony, only Brahms 4th is its equal.
>>130033757Well ofc. The 9th is the greatest piece of all time.
>Shortly after his death, Gustav Mahler appeared in spirit form before God in the afterlife, who said, "Are you excited to see heaven, Gustav?" Mahler replied, "No, it's already been composed by me," while pointing to the manuscript of his 8th Symphony.damn...
>>130033939trolling used to be an art
>jew going to heavengood one
>>130033976no one else is
>create OC>wignat responds the only way he knows how, with a bigoted jokeevery time
>>130033971No, it never used to be art. Not sure how that relates to the factual statement that Beethoven's best symphony is the 8th tho
>>1300340102.3/10
>>130034009>OCyou created Mahler?
>be me, laying in bed listening to music>after the first part ends, there's applause>"should I get up... nah, it'll probably be over in 20 seconds, I can wait it out">end up listening to applause for 2 and a half minutesugh
>>130034018Nice ranking of Beethoven's 2nd symphony bro
>>130034024No, just God and the heavens.
Wow, Mahler's 9th is beautiful. What an upgrade from the 8th
>>130034029>listening to live recordings
>>130034047Glad to hear you like it on your first listen. Took me a while to get into it myself.
>>130034047Any purely instrumental work is an upgrade from choral tripe
>>130034103my rebuttalhttps://files.catbox.moe/fpbzw8.flac
>>130034138Charminly naïve of you to think I'll bother clicking that
>>130034138if anyone doesn't like this, they probably aren't even human
>>130034146no true humanman
>>130034144https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=accDDDFGgHg&list=OLAK5uy_mBd_uKhPe9a1c310YHFt40BiC0dXz89Yg&index=14
>>130034160Charminly naïve of you to think I'll bother clicking that
>Charminly naïve of you to think I'll bother clicking that:O
>Hoho! Hoho! Hohei!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiRv4dawZAg&list=OLAK5uy_mEJ0aOjK1GTUcvtu3FZpuGAhZr2bUFodc&index=130
Is there Regietheater in ballet?
>>130034138Virus
>>130034320ballet is basically always reigentheater, always has been
>>130034321a mindvirus because the melody gets stuck in your head
>>130034336a liberal mindvirus that turns you into a prosemite homosexual
>>130034320Imagine pic but they're all in, uh, Nazi SS uniforms or something -- wait, nono, put them in warehouse uniforms, yeah, and the background is an Amazon warehouse, that's the ticket
>>130034347...why do you even post here? at least make your joke reply /classical/ relevant. that's just nonsense
>>130034408nonsense deez nuts
>>130034408you've listened to the Symphonie Fantastique, get ready to Suckle on This Dick
trying to get into this stuff but its hard, Im listening to Dvorak new world right now and its just all over the place, I hate how the dynamics keep changing and I have to constantly change the volume. I liked the stuff from Bach and earlier but classical fell off hard after Bach died
>>130034529k
>>130034529I think this would be more up your speed, friendhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9B_erkJe-k
https://voca.ro/1kbvsWAl7owFWhat's anon a whistling?
>Mazurka>Etude>Prelude>Sonata>Passacaglia
>>130034601what about them
>>130034581BWV 565
>>130034601People do the same with modern genres, they are genuinely just made up labels that don't mean much.
>>130034615All words are made up labels, but they do mean something, especially these >>130034601 which you would know if only you'd look them up
>>130034529You shouldn't have to change the volume lol, the dynamics and contrast is intentional.
>>130034658he seems too autisic to deal with anything that involves variety of any kind
>>130034669>mfw I up the playback speed on the Andante and Adagio movements because I don't like tempo dynamics;p
>>130034601>>130034615All 5 of them are well defined genres of art music. Only the Preludes are somewhat ambiguous, and can't be defined as precisely and formally as the others, but they're still definable.
>>130034658I just hate when there is a quiet ass part I can't hear and then I turn it up and all of a sudden they blast horns and shit. You are probably listening on headphones or something because with speakers its way worse
>>130034695How about nocturnes? Its bullshit and you can't tell me otherwise
>>130034699skill issue
>>130034699I use speakers only these days. It's like a movie, there's quiet and loud parts, there's slow and fast parts, there's action and development and scenic parts. They all work together to create an intentional effect. If the quiet parts are too quiet, then your overall volume isn't high enough.
>>130034708Nocturnes are bel canto arias for piano.
>>130034708same as with preludes. If you can't come up with a general conception of it that distinguishes from other forms it's because you value your obtuseness over any kind of learning, confusing it for cleverness
>>130034601>>130034708They are more for organization, they didn't have the concept of song names back then so it was always X in Y key shit.
>>130034747>they didn't have the concept of song names back then
>>130034708>>130034735No it's not.Nocturnes are short character pieces with lyrical melody, often melancholic and/or pensive mood, arpeggiated chords and flexible rubato. Pretty much every nocturne fits this description.It's one of the most well defined genres of musix out there.
>>130034601>Poeme>Impromptu>Ballade>Fantasie>Pieces/Klavierstucke ;P
>>130034756Correct
>>130034763Why are you quoting me >>130034735, who has already agreed with what you're saying
A waltz makes you dance like this,*one, two steps*and a mazurka makes you dance like this.*twerks*
>>130034747>they used the names of specific forms because humanity hadn't yet come up with the concept of songs that have a title, nevermind the fact that "song" is a specific form, and that very often these works written in specific forms had titlesnot gonna lie bro that was pretty retarded and cringe of you
>>130034756They're right you know
>>130034767Impromptu, ballade, fantasie are definable. The other two are too general, too abstract.
>>130034788right retarded and cringe
>>130034708>>130034735You're only supposed to listen to Nocturnes at night and Preludes before you take Quaaludes
>>130034784titles aren't the same as song names, hope this helps.
>>130034794They're arguably the most easily definable: Bit of music for just the piano
>>130034794Well Piece and Klavierstück are just for when the composer couldn't be bothered to come up with something else to call it.
>>130034797Don't even respond if it's going to be this shit
Are we being invaded?
>etude:/>etude-tableaux:)>transcendental etude:O
>>130034803Jumping back and forth between pragmatics and semantics doesn't take away from your being retarded and wrong. Also yes, titles and names are the same. If I say "what's the title of this song" and a minute later ask "what's the name of this song", only an absolute minus-IQ'd zika baby won't see that I've asked the same thing twice. Stop being so embarrassing.
>>130034815kill yourself
>>130034822>"what's the title of this song" and a minute later ask "what's the name of this song"Two different things.
>>130034851ok mongo
Do any of y'all know REALLY classical music?I'm talking like, late 16th, 17th century stuff. I'm trying to find good stuff from the era since i really like the early modern era in history, but it feels like baroque just isn't my thing, it doesn't have the depth of gregorian chanting nor the personality of classical music
Chaconne was like Bach's version of Chamone! It was just some nonsense word he'd shout between harpsichord fugues
>>130034822You know what I mean, stop being dishonest. Song names weren't a thing until pop music evolved in the 1900s
>>130034829I genuinely think you're stuck in 2008 or something
>>130034903>I'm talking like, late 16th, 17th century stuffThat's renaissance and baroque, dumbass, not classical
>>130034903There are some anons around who do. Hopefully they'll help. Or they'll tell you to go help yourself and figure it out on your own.
>>130034903Do you want organ music, choral, keyboard or concertos?
>>130034909cringe & rarted>>130034903M A D R I G A L S
>>130034915No one cares what you think>>130034909Trolling used to be an art
>>130034925I want something that feels like it has personality, if I could describe it as such. Most of the music I find from that period feels so..generic, if I could put a word to it. I wouldn't be able to differ one from the other if i listened it back to back.
>>130035014Take a while to put your thoughts in order so that you can then put them into words, then come back to us
>>130034955>Trolling used to be an artYou would know nothing about that, faggot. Everyone of your posts is just responding to someone else's post but adding "but enough about you/No u" you're the biggest loser on this general and that's saying a lot
>>130035081k
now playingstart of Shostakovich: Piano Trio No. 2 in E Minor, Op. 67https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCqnwmawruY&list=OLAK5uy_n30_2GMqs2WmG3JsguO6W0iR4GbeFkYr8&index=3start of Tchaikovsky: Piano Trio in A Minor, Op. 50https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tODgwPVm57U&list=OLAK5uy_n30_2GMqs2WmG3JsguO6W0iR4GbeFkYr8&index=7Kiesewetter: Tango pathétique (Live)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4jQrszy7-A&list=OLAK5uy_n30_2GMqs2WmG3JsguO6W0iR4GbeFkYr8&index=21https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n30_2GMqs2WmG3JsguO6W0iR4GbeFkYr8>Although these musicians have previously played together in duos, you aren't likely to hear the trio of Martha Argerich, Gidon Kremer, and Mischa Maisky every day. The friends have attempted to perform as a threesome for decades, but it took sheer luck, and a few 1998 dates in Japan, to find the acclaimed pianist, violinist, and cellist onstage together. Recorded as a tribute to Reinhard Paulsen, the late manager of Argerich and Kremer, this disc features two of chamber music's darkest pieces: Shostakovich's op. 67 and Tchaikovsky's op. 50 for piano and strings. Both composers wrote these works as elegies, and the effect of the pairing is riveting; the Shostakovich is bleak and occasionally violent (the use of Jewish melodies makes this as much a remembrance of the Holocaust as of any individual), while Tchaikovsky's epic, nearly 50-minute piece requires more patience but is even more expansive. Though the musicians haven't performed these pieces before, they have an intuitive grasp of the music--Kremer seems meant for these lyrical, personal violin passages, and Argerich is ready to unleash her fury at a moment's notice. Sonically, Maisky's cello is slightly obscured by his powerhouse peers, but he serves as a sobering backbone to these compositions. The very short tango by contemporary Peter Kiesewetter acts as an encore, a two-minute reminder that these friends know how to have fun too. --Jason Verlinde
>>130034529Personally I think using dynamics is cheating but that’s just me
Sibelius is interesting because four or even five of his seven symphonies could reasonably be considered his best one. What do you think, /classical? Which is Sibelius' best symphony?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCiaao9PzJs
>>130035419inb4leibowitzcuck
>>130035419not really IMO, it's pretty obviously his 7th
>>130035427It's his most conceptually and tonally interesting, but I prefer the more fleshed out symphonies, which is why I prefer the 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th over the 7th! But that's just me.
>>130035427I think 5, 6 & 7 are equally amazing. Tapiola is better than all three of them, though.
>What is this, a woman? AAAAAHHHHH my senses!!!!
>>130035599Why hasn't there been a decent production of the Ring where they don't get some loser looking dude for Seigfried
>>130035599top shelf comedy, anon, truly I applaud your robust sense of humour
I do not like Opera.
>>130035615That's the real casualty in the decline of opera and professional opera singers: less attractive choices. You kinda have to take what you can get now.
>>130035617Creating content for this general is what I do, anon.
>>130035621engaging and sagacious commentary, anon, you are surely the epitome of discernment and a powerhouse of eloquence. I look forward for future bulletins
>>130035639you've created nothing
>>130035621That's okay, plenty of variety in tastes here in /classical/ :)Although it does make for some lame afternoons where everyone wants to discuss something different that no one else online is into, so it's all posts with no replies, lol.
>>130035656Not that it's any of your business but I did forge this ring earlier out of gold my goblin brother handed me...
>>130035690fool's gold maybe AH HAHAHAHA HAHAHA AH HAHAHAH AAAH
>>130035719kundrylaugh.flac
>>130035758>mfw when she on her perod
>>130035775'mfw' indeed
new>>130035842>>130035842>>130035842
>>130035617In case you weren't aware, that's literally what happens in the opera. He meets his first women (asleep), and experiences fear for the first time in his life.
the "the vagner meme" meme
>>130036227I remember still the first time I saw "I remember still the first time I saw the Vagner meme.It was 73, Brahmscuck was on /classical/ with the trusty Sibelius. I'd never seen Vagner before, and found myself thoroughly entertained. I'd heard Vagner was a tranny meme, and it certainly showed in its humor. I distinctly remember smirking to the memes. But nothing could prepare me for the absolute show of wit that was about to come in first syllable of the word Vagner, when happened the eponymous vag.Vagina! A single pun, and just after Wagner’s name! I burst out laughing. "Oh Brahmscuck" I remember thinking, barely managing to think straight at all between my chuckles and wheezing. "What a prankster! What a jokester!"/classical/ attemped to calm me down, some even asking how I'd not known about the famous Vagner by then, popular as it was. Were they not happy one had been lucky enough to live to that point and still feel the pure, unadulterated Brahmscuck genius? Were they jealous? I did not know then, and do not care now.I tried to calm myself, but kept chuckling all throughout the Vagners in the next post. At the edge of my seat, I waited for the repeat of the Vagner, this time hoping to control myself. Imagine my surprise then, during the next Brahmscuck post, when the Vagner surprised me further by not showing up at all! At that point I feared for my life, such was the lack of oxygen from my guffawling fit.They only managed to removed me from the thread putting an end to my disruption after I'd already soaked the board in urine."It was 73, Brahmscuck was on /classical/ with the trusty Sibelius. I'd never seen Vagner before, and found myself thoroughly entertained. I'd heard Vagner was a tranny meme, and it certainly showed in its humor. I distinctly remember smirking to the memes. But nothing could prepare me for the absolute show of wit that was about to come in first syllable of the word Vagner, when happened the eponymous vag.Vagina! A single p
