Does anyone actually think the Beatles were geniuses on par with Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Wagner, etc?
>>130036964One Direction >>>
>>130036964yung lean has infinitely more in common with any classical composer than paul mccartney
>>130037235Paul wrote a classical album tho
>>130037247What?
>>130036964Yes, but it's like comparing Bill Watterson to Rembrandt. Both geniuses working in the same medium as one another, but working with it in very different ways
>>130036964Take out Wagner. He was a bitch. Mozart was too but at least he had the talent to back it up.
>>130037308Imagine thinking Wagner didn't have talent lmao
Probably not, but they were clearly geniuses all the same. They produced the single greatest body of work in the history of rock and roll. If any idiot could've done it, we'd have plenty of bands at the time and since whose discogs were just as impressive. But we don't. And The Beatles did it all in less than a decade.
>>130037328Even worse.Imagine thinking he actually was.
>>130037525You can not like his full operas, but he was undeniably talented. Also hugely influential.https://youtu.be/AgXFefwAVcw
>>130037569Jackson Pollock was also influential. Doesn't mean he's good.
>>130037687Yeah well Jackson Pollock didn't write Liebestod.
You don't have to be genius to make good music. Id rather listen to a pop song with a good hook than some classical wankery most of the time
>>130037882Most classical isn't wanky at all
Yes, along with folks like Brian Wilson.
>>130037297>>130037339I don't even like the Beatles but I don't think people realize that it's not easy to write simple but memorable pop melodies
>>130036964No.>>130037687Good thing anon said undeniably talented AND influential. Imagine getting filtered by leitmotifs, kek.
>>130037882>You don't have to be genius to make good music.But you do need to be one to make great music.>Id rather listen to a pop song with a good hook than some classical wankery most of the timeGood for you. So which one is it: low IQ, no deep musical knowledge, or just shit taste?
>>130039371There is no way to define what makes great music. More people would rather listen to something like Bad Bunny than Beethoven and who is to say they are wrong. >b-but you have a low IQwhat does that have to do with anything, tons of dumb people enjoy life.
>>130039395>There is no way to define what makes great music.You base this on what exactly? It's just the usual lazy relativism people mindlessly parrot because it lets them avoid thinking. If that were true, theory, pedagogy and the entire history of music wouldn't exist. It's not a hard science, but it's also not arbitrary. There are shared intersubjective criteria that people have been using for centuries.>More people listen to Bad Bunny than BeethovenCompletely irrelevant. Comparing shitty popular artists who have whole marketing teams behind them to serious composers is silly. Popularity measures accessibility, not quality. More people eat McDonald's than healthy food, that doesn't make it better. And nobody is saying they're "wrong". The issue is when you jump from "I like this" to "this is better" with zero reasoning behind it.>what does that have to do with anythingIt's not complicated. If you think mass-produced pop is on the same level as something like Beethoven, that's just bad judgment. Either you haven't developed the tools to hear the difference, or you don't care to. Call it low IQ, lack of education, lack of exposure, whatever you want, but don't pretend it's even remotely a serious evaluation.Anyway, I'm not here to argue with people who just don't get it. All I'm going to add is it's hard being a classical listener because most people can't comprehend the music and say it's either boring or random. When you tell them they just aren't getting it, they interpret that as pretentious and snobby, even though it's a statement of fact. Sorry, you understand less about music. It's just a fact. Don't be mad about it, but also I'm not gonna lie about it just for the sake of your ego.
>>130036964>geniusBullshit concept. Bach, Beethoven, etc were bankrolled by kings to fiddle about writing concerts, tying up 50 people for months of rehearsals, all aimed at a 3 hour live performance in front of the monarch trying to entertain and impress the person who held the purse, which is what counted at the time. Their symphonies were designed to do that, not to be listened to on spotify 300 years later by some faggot with ill-posed questions about the nature of "genius".That market is gone but the music lives on like an anachronism. But even if it wasnt, eventually those forms, which had grown evermore complex and sophisticated with time, would have needed an iconoclasm to allow things to evolve from a more virile potent simple state. Which already happened long before the Beatles. You might as well ask if anyone actually thinks Satie was a genius on par with Bach, Beethoven (maybe not), Mozart, Wagner (arguably yes)
On one hand I think they're pretty great, though probably not on those classical levels. Second off, I think what really set them skyrocketing was that revolver~Sgt. Peppers era. That stuff was revolutionary in terms of the sound engineering/production value which was something completely new. So I think they somewhat lucked out in that aspect in terms of being one the most popular band at the time that was happening.Either way even with their great stuff there's a lot of mid in their discography that will only be remembered simply because the Beatles made it.
>>130036964Notice how people that think the beatles were good never actually listen to the beatles
>>130039625>Bullshit concept. Bach, Beethoven, etc were bankrolled by kings to fiddle about writing concerts, tying up 50 people for months of rehearsals, all aimed at a 3 hour live performance in front of the monarch trying to entertain and impress the person who held the purse, which is what counted at the time. Their symphonies were designed to do that, not to be listened to on spotify 300 years later by some faggot with ill-posed questions about the nature of "genius".It's so painfully obvious you have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. You're musically and historically illiterate, you peak Dunning-Kruger retard. Read a fucking book for once before confidently spouting absolute nonsense, or better yet kill yourself out of embarrassment.
