How do the leftoids on this board feel about Woody Guthrie being celebrated by one of the most elite universities in the world (NYU) at a school owned by one of the music industry’s most powerful people (Clive Davis)?This is a month-long exhibit featuring Guthrie’s actual guitars and handwritten notes and whatnot. His daughter is also in attendance. But this program is being run entirely by academic elites at a notoriously elite university. All traces of Guthrie’s message of class solidarity are now controlled by powerful intellectuals whom he would have despised. What can we make of this?
Labor is actually a really shitty way to unite people. A McDonald's employee is not going to feel the same class solidarity with a Amazon Warehouse employee even if both are only payed minimum wage. "Class Consciousness" is just a roundabout way of admitting that the average working class person is an idiot. The more you read about Marx the more you realize that most of what he said was just weightless rhetoric
>>130064905>But this program is being run entirely by academic elites at a notoriously elite university. All traces of Guthrie’s message of class solidarity are now controlled by powerful intellectuals whom he would have despised. What can we make of this?read about elite overproduction>In the twenty-first-century Western countries, the popularity of progressive political beliefs among university graduates, for instance, may be due to widespread underemployment rather than from exposure to progressive ideas or experiences during their studies.[11][12] Stagnant wages and housing unaffordability make young professionals more likely to view the status quo as a zero-sum rather than a positive-sum game.[13]>In an essay, philosopher Francis Bacon cautioned of the threat of sedition if "more are bred scholars, than preferment can take off."[17] Political economist Joseph Schumpeter asserted that a liberal capitalist society contains the seeds of its own downfall as it breeds a class of intellectuals hostile to both capitalism and liberalism, though without which these intellectuals cannot exist.[18] Before Turchin, political scientist Samuel Huntington had warned that a disconnect between upward social mobility and the ability of the institutions to absorb these new individuals could lead to sociopolitical decay.[19]
Who cares? Politics are for faggots and losers. Exhibit A and B above.
What’s wrong with NYU? My sister went there.
>>130064951lmao, the people setting up and attending OPs event are hardly unemployed. If anything they're just nepos with too much free time on their hands
>>130064966who paid for that?
>>130064905It's funny how idiots like you refer to academics as the "elite" instead of amoral billionaires who are many, many times wealthier and more powerful
>>130064988which just goes back to the point that this post made >>130064935 academics see themselves as part of the working class but the rest of the working class doesn't see that way. Class is a shitty way to unite people
>>130065016Academics are petite bourgeois though?
>>130065038Thank you for proving my point. Marx hated the Middle Class because they are fundamentally incompatible with his ideals
>>130065016>but the rest of the working class doesn't see that waybecause the elite makes sure they don't. why do you think all those conservatives bitch about colleges being "le communist brainwashing" for the last 50 years? because their handlers want them to distrust experts.
>>130064935>A McDonald's employee is not going to feel the same class solidarity with a Amazon Warehouse employee even if both are only payed minimum wage.It's almost like capitalism conditions workers to remain divided, resentful and competitive so they stay disorganized and powerless.
>>130064905it's not like they're doing a tribute to Woody Guthrie at the Coachella MAGA fundraiser.>buh buh Woody G would've despised the powerful intellectuals!yeah right up until he saw the alternative.
>>130065072To be fair what has passed for left wing academia in the last 50 years is extremely bougie and useless at best. This stuff was basically a massive psyop to completely and irreparably discredit the scattered intellectual remnants of the left after the radical labor movement had been crushed before it, and it worked.
>>130065072Gender studies and humanities majors are not "experts" anon. "Experts" are the ones taking humanity to the moon. Most engineers and scientists understand their positions in society and for the most part are apolitical. They're part of the petite bourgeois that made Marx seethe because he had no answer to them. Misinformation is a plague on society and the internet has only made it worse but don't pretend like it's only coming from one side of the aisle. There are some extremely baseless takes among the armchair cultural commentator crowds
>>130065079>divided, resentful and competitiveNice that's what it means to be human
>>130065129historians are experts, and if you learned about history from experts instead of 4chan, you could have seen the shitshow we are in now coming from a mile away. but the murdochs and trumps of the world don't want you to know that stuff. they want you to know how to unclog their toilets and water their lawns. that's your role.
>>130065189>you could have seen the shitshow we are in now coming from a mile away.And that's another problem I have with you retards. You're all virtue signalling, grandstanding idiots. If YOU learned about history from experts instead of 4chan you'd realize that nothing about this "shitshow we are in now" is exceptional in a historic sense. And both sides do this. For the right it's fear mongering about trannies and crime rates and for the left it's fear mongering about shit that trump said on twitter. You're like this specifically because you're terminally online.
There is no ethical museums under capitalism
>>130065129Conservatives cry about the humanities and then wonder why they lost the culture war.
>>130065240trump is a horrible president who is doing horrible things. it's not "fearmongering," it's reality.
>>130065275>>130065771We're not falling for your ragebait chief
>>130064988Academic elites work for billionaires. Critical theory is a known psy-op. Read Gabriel Rockhill.
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>>130064905The establishment loves co opting left wing cultural works and aesthetics of "rebellion", but never actual left wing policy.
>>130065038Academics are not bourgeoisie in the classical Marxist sense, they're closer to the PMC class or what Gramsci termed "traditional intellectuals": they sell their labor like workers, but their role is partly to reproduce capitalist ideology and manage/credential the workforce.In practice, somewhat complicated:Most academics, especially adjuncts and grad students, are hyper-exploited workers (poverty wages, no benefits, precarious employment)Tenured professors at elite institutions have contradictory class interests: workers who've achieved relative privilege and material comfortThey are employees of university boards, trustees, and administrators (often directly from corporate/finance backgrounds) who hold the real institutional power and controlThe material power structure at NYU:Clive Davis (billionaire music industry executive) - actual bourgeoisieBoard of Trustees (corporate executives, hedge fund managers) - ruling classAdjunct professors making $30k/year - precarious workersThe true class tension is that cultural/educational institutions under capitalism will always try to absorb and neutralize radical politics into something useful for the system.
guthrie's been co opted for years. the boy scouts and the fascist american public school system already whitewashed this land is your land and tried to turn it into a generic pastoral campfire folk song by removing the private property verse
>>130066300>Lost the working class>All artists are being exposed as a bunch of boho phonies now that boomers are too old to care anymore>your beliefs are forced on to children in school>Entire political spectrum exposed as bureaucucks during covid>On same team as Bill gates and barbara spectreYou are the establishment cuck boy, there's no pretending anymore
>>130064905He wouldn't have cared, he married a New York Jew
>>130066427I know this is extremely difficult for Americans to understand, but liberalism and """leftism""" (i.e socialism) are not the same.
>>130066500the left has no enemies to the left and no friends to the right. to the liberal commies are just idealists who have not yet had their time
>>130065099Gonna have to try harder than that to blend in, leftshit rat. >>>/r/ope
>>130066513>the left has no enemies to the left and no friends to the rightYou are unfathomably out of touch with reality if you believe this
>>130064935>Labor is actually a really shitty way to unite people.And yet it did and led to innovations like the 40 hour work week. Goddamn, yet another frogposting nigger that knows nothing about the world.
>>130066547okay weird i guess the entire liberal media complex and the marxist academia system just work hand in hand to control society as a coincidence
>>130066586If "Marxists" had any real power AOC and Bernie Sanders would have been nominated for President instead of Clinton, Biden, or Harris
During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie. All the social-chauvinists are now “Marxists” (don’t laugh!).
>>130066597leftists are stupid but they aren't stupid enough to put forward candidates that have a 0% chance of winning. the play is to put someone line clinton/biden/harris in charge and then let communists let rip through the civil servant system and via ngos
>>130066586Spend any amount of time in a liberal or soft-left space and you'll hear people complaining about people further to the left of them, calling them "tankies" and so on. Actual Marxists have barely any institutional influence in the US beyond some slightly niche academics like the late Michael Parenti. This caricature you have in your mind of the "liberal media complex and marxist academia system" has nothing to with socialism, its mostly just capital-friendly neoliberal identity politics, and its not nearly as powerful as you think it is. The power was always in the hands of capital. And as we've seen in the last few years, capitalists can switch from rainbow flags and BLM hashtags to backing Trump at the drop of a hat. None of that shit actually matters to them, the culture wars shit is mostly just a bunch of keys to jangle in front of retards.
>>130066597AOC and Bernie Sanders are both liberals who adopt some mildly socialism window dressing. Neither of them want to end capitalism or imperialism, just to distribute some of the spoils an extremely tiny bit more evenly in the imperial core to quieten down dissent.
>>130066549Chuds try to dismiss the viability of socialist ideas and labor movements in America as if it has always been niche and unpopular, which is patently ridiculous.
>>130066718>and you'll hear people complaining about people further to the left of them, calling them "tankies" and so on.That's because defending the USSR is a dead end branch of leftist politics and is bad for optics. The USSR was only ever a puppet of the state department anyway.> identity politicsThis has been marxism in practice ever since Democratic Kampuchea. You should research that and then notice the extreme parallels between their crazyness and anti-colonialist identity politics leftism. A french trained marxist that wears glasses killing anyone who wore glasses or spoke french for not being Cambodian enough starts making sense once you notice it.
>>130066597How did Mamdani win then? Especially when Jews did whatever they could to defeat him?
>>130066903>>130066718Also, to add onto this, identity politics as nu-marxism is something that was heavily developed by the frankfurt school which I'm sure you won't try to argue were t actually marxists. Their conclusion was that the working class has become so apathetic and unable to politicized that the only way forward was to develop a coalition of homeless people, gays, trannies, immigrants and other freaks as the new vanguard and revolutionary class.
>>130066758>just to distribute some of the spoils an extremely tiny bit more evenly in the imperial core to quieten down dissentis that not better than nothing?
>>130066633>then let communists let rip through the civil servant system and via ngosAnd yet that didn't happen under Biden thus proving your incel headcanon false. Damn, you BTFOed yourself. Takes an impressive amount of retardation to do that.>>130066781I can't really blame them. They're most likely American and their education system is woefully embarrassing compared to other Western countries. More than a couple times I've had to lecture sharts on their country's historical events that they weren't taught.
>>130066981>And yet that didn't happen under Biden thus proving your incel headcanon false.Yeah sure thats why the first year of the trump administration was spend rooting communist and leftist influence out of govenment administrations with doge and cancelling all those crazy leftist grants, because it didnt happen and actually those grants they cancelled didnt exist
>>130066995You are too stupid to live.
>>130067002Go cry more because they cancelled the grant that would have funded your bottom surgery and the ones that funneled money towards your bipoc latinix professor friends. There's a reason all they had to do was filter for any grant that contained the word "diversity" and end up cancelling thousands of them and it's not because nothing happened under the biden admin
>>130066995>trump administration was spend rooting communist and leftist influence out of govenment administrationYou mean the same thing that every new administration does? Lmao holy shit...
>>130067053Ok so you admit that leftists used the biden administration to spread influence throughout the civil servant system? Why are you acting like you disagree with me then?
>>130067064give a specific example.
>>130067072Okay, heres 2.8 million dollars worth of gay race communism influence that was cancelled by doge
>>130064935the average working class person is an idiot, yes. the system is actually very fair and only dumbasses complain that they were "cheated"
>>1300671892.8 million dollars is jack fucking shit. now look at how much the federal government subsidizes spacex and tesla. see what the real problem is?
>>130064905Socialism is only a thread when it’s actual working-class people espousing it. Notice how the two most famous “socialist” politicians in America right now (AOC and Mamdani) didn’t come out of the factory, coal mine, or steel mill but from the university.
>>130067610to be a politician in usa you have to get scorporate funding. you get that by networking. you get networking by going to university, scoring internships, applying to fellowships, etc. the regular joe will never hold high political office until campaign finance law is fixed and strictly enforced.
>>130067610>t. thinks an orange nepo billionaire pedo is the voice of the average working man
>>130067463>now look at how much the federal government subsidizes spacex and tesla.he won't reply to this lmao
>IF YOU AIN'T GOT THE DOREMI BOYS IF YOU AIN'T GOT THE DOREMI>CALIFORNIA IS A GARDEN OF EDEN>A PARADISE TO LIVE IN OR SEE>BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT YOU WON'T FIND IT SO HOT IF YOU AIN'T GOT THE DOREMI
>>130066924Hold on.... I thought the meme was that jews and marxists worked hand and hand at best or at the least the latter was a mere pawn of the former?
>>130066924The funny thing is that Mamdani ran on a platform of Communism (as in actual Communism, at least ostensibly) but in reality he's just a moderate Democrat who is constantly boasting about his "productive" contact with Trump.
>>130068584>Mamdani ran on a platform of Communism (as in actual Communism, at least ostensibly)no he did not. he ran on taxpayer-funded public transit. you guys act like he's fuxcing stalin or something.
>>130068599This isn't coming from my mouth, it's coming from the mouths of his voter base. We had redditors unironically calling him America's first communist politician and shit
>>130068584>ran on a platform of Communism >in reality just a moderate DemocratSo the usual? lol, I remember watching some right wing streamer tell his audience that Mamdani would be a socialist dictator or something, the strategy works so well because the right stupidly believes it just as much as the left so they wind up energizing the left into "making the right's fears come true."
>>130068615redditors are retarded. your claim was not "retards think this about him," it was "this was his platform."
>>130068652I remember him saying that but I think I was just misinfo'd
>>130067610This.Nobody cares if pink-haired grad students are becoming communists. Why? Because all that happens is, these people become the PMC and go into academia to train the PMC of the future. They remain in perpetual bubbles and thus remain unthreatening to the status quo.Or, look at the numerous pop stars who are radical leftists. Kehlani is allowed to be super lefty all they want and they still have a top 10 Billboard hit. Why? Because they're a racially-ambiguous non-binary lesbian from Oakland. What happens in Oakland stays in Oakland. If Kehlani was a white, cishet woman from Appalachia singing Appalachian folk music who went on to say "Free Palestine" and "Fuck ICE" it would be a whole different story and they'd be cancelled and blackballed immediately.
