>”melodic” death metal>literally the same riffs as regular death metal but the guitarist occasionally switches a note with a minor or major third
>>130080263So you are saying that melodic death metal is basically death metal, but a little bit more melodic?You should write books
>>130080263metal is music but its for manchildren
>>130080263Melodeath is just Iron Maiden riffs with harsh vocals
It's telling how shallow metal is as a whole that the most minute variations in the music are entirely new genres to metalfags. Imagine if jazz guys were like "yeah it's called Harsh Pornobop and it's different from regular Pornobop because they use harder mouthpieces and NEVER improvise during the B section. If you can't tell the difference you're a poser"
Metal is for children.
>>130081057I think metalheads are like kids who have an autistic fit if different pieces of food on their plate are touching>AHHHHH YOU CAN'T HAVE A BAND THAT PLAYS BOTH FAST AND SLOW SONGS, SEPARATE THEM INTO DOOM AND THRASH REEEEEEEEEE
>>130081057Imagine seething this hard at metal.p.s. listen to Cannibal Corpse, Necrophagist, Agalloch, At the Gates, Blind Guardian, Children of Bodom, Candlemass, Blood Incantation, Sonata Arctica, Type O Negative, Warning, Death, and Dream Theater. Then tell me it all sounds the same
>>130081057Yeah but there’s only like 50 jazz listeners, and 45 of them play jazz so there’s not much room for variation
>>130080408>>130081074This, the only true music is kpop and Sabrina carpenter’s pole dancing soundtrack
>>130081093Damn, is that why hair metal ballads were so viciously hated?>>130081132Obviously death metal sounds different from gothic metal which sounds different from power metal etc. because those are very broad stylistic philosophies, which is not what I'm making fun of. No one says "I'm going to use this specific guitar tuning over this drum beat at this tempo for this section because that's how they do it in power metal" or whatever the fuck.
>>130081289Genre autism isn't because metal is "shallow" music but because metalheads are autistic.
>>130081298>isn't because metal is "shallow"Metal is the very definition of shallow
>>130081281Jazz is incredibly diverse, you just don't see as much genrefagging from jazz fans because they have a deeper appreciation for music than narrowing it down to an ultra specific set of timbres and note choices that "scratch their itch"
>>130081340>writes approximately zero (0) music
>>130081342>Jazz is incredibly diverseSo is metal.>timbres and note choicesThat's what defines pretty much every genre anon>jazz fans>deeper appreciation for musiclmao
>>130081342Most of the genrefagging comes from people using their genre as their personality and entire image, the vast majority of normal metal heads listen to multiple genres, basically, if you like it listen to itJust like how jazz fans make sucking boomer dick their entire image
>>130081375this I listen to death, black, power, trad, thrash, prog, doom, etc
>>130081353??
>>130081445Vladimir Horowitz. Didn't write music.
>>130081363>That's what defines pretty much every genre anonThat's what defines pop* genres, because popfags have no slightest regard for the form or counterpoint, which define classical genres for example.
>>130081462Horowitz contributed more to music than every popfaggot combined and quadrupled in both quality and quantity.
>>130081464You know counterpoint is defined by note choices as well, right anon? And yes, I agree, popular music would be better off with more polyphony. I'd love polyphonic metal music. Maybe you should write some, anon!
>>130081479I'll take Black Sabbath over some Jew that just played other people's music. Have some respect for yourself and at least post a composer next time.
>>130081505Funny, because I do write polyphonic metal. The genre still sucks and is not to be revered by any honest person. Metal would be better off if it interpreted actual good music, instead of attempting to write something original
>>130081513Because you're deaf, retarded tourist who's deaf to nuance and hasn't even heard classical beyond the nutcracker.
>>130081525>I write metal>the genre sucksIf the genre sucked you wouldn't be making music in the genre lol>Metal would be better off if it interpreted actual good music, instead of attempting to write something originalDo you want us to just endlessly play Bach on the electric guitar or what? Or maybe, just maybe, we could synthesize what we like about both genres? Yeah I agree, classical is technically superior music. But I still listen to metal because it gives me an experience that I'll never get from classical, and also because there's a more thriving of new metal music today.
>>130081536>jazzfag sucking boomer dick againDon’t get the cum on your ascot mate
>>130081536No I actually like Horowitz's Scriabin, I'm just saying that there's no need to shit on metal just because you like classical music. Yes, it's not as harmonically, polyphonically, or formally sophisticated as classical. So what?
>>130080263>>literally the same riffs as regular death metalWrong, lol.
>>130081572>No I actually like Horowitz's ScriabinBased.
>>130081557>If the genre sucked you wouldn't be making music in the genreWhy? I think the genre is fundamentally flawed and defined by timbre alone, however I can use that timbre from time to time and experiment with it, which doesn't mean it doesn't suck. That doesn't make much sense.>Do you want us to just endlessly play Bach on the electric guitar or what?Yes. I don't get why not. Have you listened to every Bach piece so much that you're bored? Sure, then interpret Gesualdo, Scarlatti, Boccherini, Schubert, Bartok or Bruckner, there's too much to choose from. Why the hell not?>But I still listen to metal because it gives me an experience that I'll never get from classicalHave you ever thought, maybe it's because you haven't heard enough of the latter?>>130081563I'm not a fan of Jazz.>>130081572So it is relatively shallow, that was my original point.
>>130081645>I think the genre is fundamentally flawedHow so? Where you see flaws I see potential to push the genre further.>which doesn't mean it doesn't suckWhat sucks about it?>Yes. I don't get why notWhat if Schubert and Bartok and Bruckner stopped making music because they had Bach?>maybe it's because you haven't heard enough of the latter?Unless there's a way to drum along to a Bruckner symphony, yeah I'm pretty sure.>So it's relatively shallowEverything is compared to classical.
>>130081645Sorry I thought you were the jazz guy, but it’s similar in critique, why not do things that are somewhat original, I mean I’ve heard classical and metal renditions of classical songs that where great, but you can’t just do that endlessly, you have to put your own spin on things, sometimes that results in something that sounds different to the other metal genres and then becomes its own genre due to other people taking that idea and sound and doing their own thing with itSure a lot just copy paste another cool band/sound that they heard, but I bet a lot of the old classical geezers did that too and didn’t end up as famous or well regarded as the ones that made their own sound (while still being within the classical umbrella)
>>130080263the fuck is a third?
>>130081864Why are you even on this board
>>130081057>It's telling how shallow metal is as a whole that the most minute variations in the music are entirely new genres to metalfagsCurious how you say this but don't say anything about electronic music as a whole, or punk music, which is even more autistic than metal is about random microgenres based on the slightest deviations; People give metalfags shit but their millions of microgenres make more sense as prefixes and modifiers, something being "technical ____ metal" tells me more about that it is than punks with their "stenchcore" or electronicfags with their "wonky"
>>130082210more about what*** it is
>>130081665>Where you see flaws I see potential to push the genre further.The flaws are all over the place and can't be improved upon, only downgraded. Metal was never supposed to have a deep, expressive musical architecture, rather it is a form of popular music: intended for the masses, by the masses. There is no intellectual rigor to it. If it were to "improve" in any sense, then it would alienate most, if not all, of its listeners, granting it a new genre label.>What sucks about it?It was stated above. To repeat in other words: metal is anti-intellectual, music for instant gratification and low skill/talent.>What if Schubert and Bartok and Bruckner stopped making music because they had Bach?Then we would lose a lot of originality in music. If metal musicians stopped or never existed at all, we wouldn't lose anything. Music has barely progressed since early 20th century, harmonically or otherwise. Not to mention that the last of the great composers still heavily relied on western tonality.>Unless there's a way to drum along to a Bruckner symphony, yeah I'm pretty sure.Once you get into classical and overcome the need of instant gratification, you'll notice how useless drums actually are. All they actually provide is monotony and noise, and rhythm that is (or should be) already present in other instruments by themselves. Not that instant gratification is necessarily bad - but it distracts people from delayed gratification and something of a much, much greater artistic value, because it is so much more accessible. And that is where the heart of the issue lies.>>130081847You can do a lot of spins by interpreting / transcribing alone, but sure. Even then, there's very little of classical that's interpreted by metal musicians.
>>130081093heyyy...
>>130082258>Even then, there's very little of classical that's interpreted by metal musicians.Because classic music, by definition, is dead, it left a lot of cool tombstones that we can appreciate and admire and learn from, but it’s not alive anymore, it’s just playing the tunes of dead menMetal is alive and doing shit, regardless of whether you like it or not
>>130081093>YOU CAN'T HAVE A BAND THAT PLAYS BOTH FAST AND SLOW SONGSNobody said this.
>>130081057That's how I feel about every one of you genremaxxers lol
>>130082543How have you never heard of Caspian Traphouse Theremin Deep Phonk (Chopped and Screwed)?
>>130082519I did. I've said it before. What's your response now? Now that I've proven that I've said it before. Here I'll say it again. You cannot have a band that plays fast and slow songs. Now what's your excuse? Now that I've proven it by saying it just now. Probably something dumb, if I had to guess. Tis a shame really. Now that you can't use that excuse anymore. I bet you wish I didn't write this message, because now you look quite silly don't you. Hmmmm. You know it wasn't even a great excuse anyway. Right? Probably should've came up with a better argument. I bet you're wishing that now. Now that I've refuted your claim. Made quite a fool of yourself, didn't you? You're probably crying right now, heh. Oh well... should probably have thought of a better argument then. I mean it's not MY fault that I had to put you in your place, it's just how the world works my friend. I hope you learn from this. Just so y'know... You don't embarrass yourself again. You probably won't though. You'll probably just ignore me wont you. Not my problem if you do though, since you'll just end up embarrassing yourself even more later. And then we'll see who's really laughing, wont we? Hehehe. I really pity you, I do. I almost feel sorry for you. But then I remember how funny it is. And then I start cackling again and all of a sudden, I stop feeling sorry. You'll probably end up killing yourself over this message and how embarrassed you will feel after I've posted it. I wouldn't blame you for it, really. I'd probably do the same if I were you right now. Just because of how much of an idiot I looked like in front of all the people browsing. Oh well... Maybe it would be the honorable thing to not post this as to preserve your life. But I just have to. I mean its not my fault you chose to embarrass yourself like that. Heh. I hope you reflect on this, and better yourself because of it. And maybe, just maybe. You wont embarrass yourself again.
>>130081093kek, it do be like that>>130082210>Curious how you say this but don't say anything about electronic music as a whole, or punk music,NTA but probably because this thread isn't about them, it's about metal. What would be the point in pointing out that electronic or punk fans do the same other than to say "see! other genres do it too!"? Ok, and?
>>130081375>Just like how jazz fans make sucking boomer dick their entire image
>>130082642this is the most unnecessary ad hominem wall tsunami
>>130081288>the only alternative to my manchild music is kpop and wpopYou have a whole world to discover
>>130082452Saying classical music is dead because Beethoven and Brahms are dead is like saying mathematics is dead because Newton and Riemann are dead.The music isn't the score, it's vibration in the air. As long as people are playing it and recording it, the music is happening in the present tense. It can't be dead if it's still being performed to this day and interpreted in countless of ways.>it’s just playing the tunes of dead men...and? So what? How does that detract from the fact that classical music is rich both in quality and quantity which can't be overstated?>Metal is alive and doing shit, Precisely, it's doing "shit". Classical music is likewise "alive" and it's doing something worthwhile.
>>130082670Yeah, you're right I probably should've made it a bit longer.
>>130082693>classical music is alive in the sense that it is a live hand thrust up a dead puppets assholeDoes it feel nice to book a bus from the retirement facility to the theatre so the invalids can say “hmm” “ahh yes” “quite” then demand to see the manager because the cellist went off script and did an original fill?I already said that the dead mens tunes have something to be admired and acknowledged, but they are dead. Rehashing the same old shit for people who can’t chew isn’t “alive”, like even bluegrass has captured a young audience and is alive, I get you sunk half a mill to Juliard or some shit but that doesn’t mean that everyone else has to join in your sink cost fallacy mate
>>130082642>Now that I've proven it by saying it just now.The fucking ego on you cunt, you prove it by proving it, not with a wall of autistic text
>>130082642>You cannot have a band that plays fast and slow songsThe band that literally coined doom metal in the 80s fucking disproves this lmao.You can actually have fast doom metal.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMd0pAG4utE
More fast doom metalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sB1k6JaGck
>>130082452>Because classic music, by definition, is deadWonder what killed it this time...
>>130082886>>130082894Why are you arguing bro he proved it, he stated that he proved it therefore he proved it
>>130082871Hehe, oh how I pity you. So painfully unaware of your own idiocy. Digging yourself deeper in the hole, It's hilarious. Only makes it even more embarrassing for you in the long run. This interaction will keep you up at night for years I bet, If only you had some self awareness that is. Hehehe... Ignorance truly is bliss. How this hasn't already reminded you of your incompetency, and how you will walk away from this thinking that you won. It truly is a blessing. And how you don't realise thanks to your own intelligence is truly the icing on the cake. Although without this I'm not sure how people like you would cope with it. If I was you I would've walked away from this discussion as soon as I was put in my place from a superior. But a specimen like you can't oh no, you just have to reply don't you? I would've probably killed myself by that point due to how embarrassing it would've been to type a message again after that. Something at which someone could never recover from, but alas... somehow... you continued to reply. Even after that? Even after total annihilation? How bizzare. A state of delusional confidence? Fascinating. the human mind is one truly complex mystery, It's incredible. Obviously someone like you would never be able to appreciate it to it's full capacity as someone like I could. But maybe it's for the better. In fact would it not be better to be one of your kind? No chance to even consider the possibility you're wrong, or to grasp the scale of your acts of severe mental delusion, to be even able to comprehend one as more intelligent than yourself or any one of your peers ever could be. The more I think about it the more I start to believe that maybe it's not so great to be a genius like me. Maybe I would actually like it better if I was like you. Not a care in the world of how others view me, with absolutely no need to put any thought into anything I say, do, eat, or even think. Just like Christians. Did I mention I'm atheist?
>>130083146Tldr, keep sucking dead boomer dicks
>>130083170Awww, does baby need it showter cause he cant wead iiit?
>>130082859y cant we just make more classical music
>>130083233Ask the classical dick rider
>>130083185I’m not you disability support person, so you’ll have to pay me to read your screeds
>>130082859>but they are dead.What difference does it make, for fuck's sake. There is more creativity and diversity in a single Beethoven sonata than an entirety of popular music genre.And again, you act as if you've listened to so much classical music (which you haven't), that it counts as 'rehashing' - while it doesn't, because there's shitton of great classical music you haven't even heard.
>>130080263Depends. It's pretty vast.>>130082258Obvious troll is obvious but..>metal is anti-intellectual, music for instant gratification and low skill/talent [...] There is no intellectual rigor to it. If it were to "improve" in any sense, then it would alienate most, if not all, of its listeners, granting it a new genre labelWon't alienate me. That sounds like something I'd love. Can you please recommend me something you feel does the job right? Don't shy up on me, bring your best goods. Big Sibelius fan here. And I've been getting into Guillaume de Machaut recently.
>>130080282The obliteration of OP was swift and brutal.
>>130082258>If it were to "improve" in any sense, then it would alienate most, if not all, of its listeners, granting it a new genre label.I assure you that metal music written with classical forms, using counterpoint and classical harmony, would absolutely be considered metal music. If it were executed well I'm sure it'd find an audience. The "neoclassical" metal that exists now like Symphony X is good metal music, but doesn't really measure up to classical standards.>metal is anti-intellectual, music for instant gratification and low skill/talent.If it's low skill then you play Meshuggah on the drums. I'll wait.>If metal musicians stopped or never existed at all, we wouldn't lose anythingWe would lose metal music. The fact that you think it's "nothing" shows that you have no respect for the genre.>Once you get into classical and overcome the need of instant gratification, you'll notice how useless drums actually areI've been listening to classical for I think five years at this point? And I still like drums a lot.>All they actually provide is monotony and noiseNoise yes obviously, monotony no if you write good parts.>rhythm that is (or should be) already present in other instruments by themselvesI'm a defender of rhythm in classical music, but no. Listen to metal without drums. It's nothing like metal.
>>130082693>How does that detract from the fact that classical music is rich both in quality and quantity which can't be overstated?It doesn't, but as a prospective musician would you rather go into metal, which has an active scene of tons of bands making new music, or classical, which is all centered around old music. I would never become a classical musician because as an instrumentalist you don't write your own music, and making it as a classical composer is just swimming against the current in the modern age.
>>130083233They're still making classical music, but 99% of it sucks, just like all other music.
