1983

1991 is when the rot started to set in, but black album still had enough standouts despite that
everything after has been very skipable except st. anger for cringekino

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i know where they get good

>>130083475
Late 1990s, but the truth is actually never.

>>130083490
It wasn't all your merit Dave

>>130083475
mission: impossible 2 soundtrack.
it was that moment that they had run out of riffs.
>>130083521
until it sleeps is the best song metallica has from a songwriting standpoint.

>>130083475
Once the album Load came out. If you're one of the purists, then The Black Album, although for me, that album achieved what no other Metal band has done: gone Double Diamond.

>>130083475
last great album: Master of Puppets
last good album: And Justice for All
last ok album: S/T
last not completely garbage album: Load

>>130083475
side one track one

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>For me, when they kicked out Dave Mustaine, Kirk could NEVER even come close, TOTAL HACK

>>130083475
st napster era for sure
before that if you're picky

>>130083878
What the hell? Why are his arms so old and wrinkly?

>>130083937
he must have IRISH genes

GIMME FU GIMME FA GIMME DABUDABUDAH

>>130083475
Unironically they don't get good until Lulu

>>130083830
desu they have a few semi great tracks but no good albums

Bump

>>130083475
Metallica was never good. It was always garbage for mutts. Even Cliff Burton sucked and people only say he was good because he died under tragic circumstances.

>>130083475
Metallica was always good. It was always treasure for patricians and the masses alike. Cliff was a gem and Dave Mustaine is a talentless hack.

>>130084186
Fuel is a great song

>>130083475
When they kicked out Dave

>>130083475
They were never good. Among the most vanilla, stale garbage imaginable.

>>130083475
after 1998

>>130084186
Say what you want about the Load albums but the production on them is great, killer sounding records.

>>130088900
cope, Dave

When Cliff died, but VERY gradually after, kind of like letting your foot off the accelerator of a car. You're losing speed, but hardly coming to an immediate stop. AJFA and Black Album still had some momentum but they were definitely slowing down.

>>130083475
Say what you will about black album but Load is just god awful. I'm not sure why it's nowhere near as hated as St. Anger.

Black Album, Load and Reload are all just fine. If you don't like these albums you're just a gay zoomer and your opinion is discarded

>>130089878
If you don't understand the difference between black album, and load and reload, you are a FUCKING RETARD

>>130089830
St. Anger is better than the snoozefests that are the 90s Metallica albums. At least St. Anger has value as cringekino, and they halfway walked back to thrash on it.

>>130083475
>When do they get bad?
With Kill 'Em All because no Dave.
With RTL because the "ballad" and Escape (they sold).
With MOP because the massive success (so they sold again).
With AJFA because no Cliff (or no audible Jason).
With Black Album because it is radio friendly rock and two ballads (they sold again).
With Load because the faggott haircut and a country song (they sold again).
With Reload because it's b-sides and weird and shit...
With St.Anger because no solos and the fucking snare (and the supposed numetal nonsense, so they sold again)
With Death Magnetic because loudness war and fucking Rubin (and back to the roots, so they sold themselves again)
With Lulu because a table...
With Hardwired because two fucking cds that could have fit into one.
With 72 Seasons because ugly yellow cover art and shit.

I am a fan since the eighties and i love 'em all.

>>130083475
black album

>>130091502
>With 72 Seasons because ugly yellow cover art
filtered

>>130083521
The only non-meme answer.

>>130083475
I'd say around Justice.
Metallica up to Master was electrifying, it had contagious energy and unlike most metal bands it had good melodic sense and innovative songs.

By the time they made Justice they started sounding monotonous, elaborate, long-winded. Then they realised they got stale and decided to fix that by going more bare-bones and closer to mainstream music.
I think the grunge/alt-rock shock left them lost in terms of direction. They never quiet knew what they could do next. Because the new hot sound in metal was Alice in Chains and Metallica couldn't just immitate.

So I think they just tried to return to their 80s shtick or persist in yet another sequel of the black album.

I was thinking once, listening to SoAD's Toxicity: this is how Metallica would have sounded in the 90s if they were young. There's that harsh metal sound but also the unmistakable melodicity. Though Metallica was never as doomy as SoAD or Alice, so maybe that's why they couldn't simply go that way.

Something similar happened to a lot of 80s metal bands who struggled to find their way after the 90s, because their shtick was this energetic positive grind but the new youth wasn't buying this fake-boomer positivity.

>>130089878
>zoomer
I don't know anyone who was listening to Metallica before black album that still was when whatever came after was released.

>>130091927
You probably don't know anyone

>>130091818
>and unlike most metal bands it had good melodic sense and innovative songs
t. guy who've barely listened to 80s metal

>>130087212
right? i don't know why people shit on it

Never. Every album of theirs is good in its own way.

>>130083878
Drugs do that to you

I remember buying Load and tried to pretend it was amazing for a bit but knew I was full of shit when I didnt even consider buying Reload and got my buddy to dub a tape instead. The mixtape I made of both was AWESOME but holy fucking filler. Same with UYI 1&2. That said they were never really that bad outside of like Lulu maybe, some great songs on every album.