Brahms editionhttps://youtu.be/93ixZK4urbIThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130062380
>>130085936>https://youtu.be/93ixZK4urbIWorst recording of the piece. Worst recording ever made as stated here >>130082291.
>>130085961Not seeing an argument here.
>>130085969>shit stinks>"uhm, you have no arguments"
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>listen to Bob Dylan Says what you need to know about Glen Gould sisters
How did he mind break so many classical fans
>>130086148what do you mean
>>130086148I soak my arms in warm water before making a single post
>>130086033Hitchens? More like Chickens. His supposed last statements put his legacy to shame.
>>130084759I think they are still here, they’re just in hiding like a retired paedophile
>>130086237That would be hilarious. He couldn't recover from the last battle.
>>130086206Hitchens's last words are legendary and you are a retard
>>130086521Dishonorable hallucinations of a dying man. This is Dawkins general.
>>130086148I love this guy
>>130087361>/bI keked
>>130087361So original.
>>130087115We all do
>>130087461who is this we
>>130087502/Classical/
>>130087502All living people on earth
>>130087461Speak for yourself.
>>130087511>>130087536damn I must be dead and browsing /tv/
>D-B flat - E flat - F - G - B flat - C - C - C - A flat - G flat - A flat - b flat - D - B flat - E flat - F - G - B flat - C - D# - (g# -d-e) - A - F - G - B flat - A - (c-e-b flat)- f - f -f - e flat - f - e flat - (f g b) - e - ( f g b ) - (e g b flat d)Why are there letters in brackets? Are the small letters passing notes?
>>130087565Tv is actually a good board though
>>130087502Bernie
>>130087571This is incomprehensible without context.
>>130087600oh look another performer I hate
>>130087592there are no good boards, nor users. this website is 100.00% terrible and useless.
>>130087643>Hates 2 of the most important figures in contemporary classical music You ever get tired of being negative all the time?
>>130087698>hating 2 out of 628362 classical performers means you are negative all the timemaybe I just have halfway decent taste, Jesus
I just resolved a suspension with my nose
>>130088119Was it passing boogers? From the nose to the tissue? Or Neighboring boogers, back into the nose(ew)?
>>130088226No like my nose hit the key because I ran out of fingers
Satiehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ls8mwNHVJQ&list=RD7Ls8mwNHVJQ&start_radio=1&pp=ygUkYWxkbyBjaWNjb2xpbmkgc2F0aWUgZ3ltbm9wZWRpZSAxOTgzoAcBhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrulZnpHW-0&list=RDVrulZnpHW-0&start_radio=1&pp=ygUkYWxkbyBjaWNjb2xpbmkgc2F0aWUgZ3ltbm9wZWRpZSAxOTgzoAcBI am having a difficult time envisioning ‘Greek gymnastic dances’ to some of these pieces. :/
That ass-out arched back bow Yuja always does really butters my biscuit https://youtu.be/JQG4avZWVt8Wtf is she wearing in the first snippet of the video, when did that happen? I'm aware of the whole "discourse" about the propriety of her dresses, but that is a literal stripper outfit. You wouldn't even wear that to a club.
>>130088498lmao, what the actual fuck. I would've thought such an outfit wouldn't even be allowed in the public
Scriabin Prometheus by Anna Gayboyhttps://youtu.be/V3B7uQ5K0IU?t=592
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>>130089085GREEN HAIR?
string quintet where the fifth musician is a one-man string quartet
>>130088498lol that filenameyou gotta standout somehow, and it works
>>130089155like he doubles the workforce of a string quartet within the quintet?
>>130088679Not in Saudi Arabia it isn't
>>130089175wow Saudia Arabia sounds like the land of milk and honey
>>130089172making it an octet
>>130089210Does he need a page turner?
I wonder if this Reference Recording/Alexandre Bak guy gets paid every time I stream one of his recordings. Normally I don't mind, since he does provide a useful service most of the time, like with Furtwangler's two Rings, but then there are occasions like this, or Kempe's Lohengrin, or Bohm's Magic Flute, where he has a remaster of a recording that already sounds plenty good, and it looks like a pure cashgrab. Or maybe he's just really passionate and a huge fan of these recordings and I shouldn't hate, idk.
Or this one. Pretty sure the original recording sounds fine...?Bakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtFbGd15Iv4&list=OLAK5uy_mAncHY7HJQ2bQA8J6LtDxRmHz3ob_xENw&index=1originalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hnTlx-gVdI&list=OLAK5uy_kx2B2MILoGkiB-ZxwzUlVLQYKqJaK4rbE&index=1you be the judge
vagner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C8b0J4wpGIEven in Italy, Lieder > Opera.
>>130089093Looks like a joker
I like early Scriabin, Lizsts piano stuff and Chopin.Where do I start on solo keyboard Rachmaninoff? I've already listened to his Concertos
>>130089595Preludes, Etudes, piano sonatas. Don't sleep on his Suites for Duo Piano either.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj84l05xWg0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jywaW0mZ0hghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtObD71L8Ekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L6CxUpBZlYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OClsnX8kZdohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZMpN-35yi8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOxsajQmxoEoh, and I always forget to recommend these Moments Musicauxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzvkj1PHBAcEnjoy!
>>130089637Thank you
>>130089763Happy to help. Oh, and speaking of pieces I always forget to recommend, I forgot about his solo piano variations pieces,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oILLr5Lg9OIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiDtLscGnn8There's also one more, Variations on a Theme of Paganini, but it's piano with orchestra.
>>130085936Man, that's Rick Ruben.
>>130089085RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE *begins sodomizing her*
>>130088263Interesting text, thanks. Did not know they were envisioned that way either.
watching the NBA playoffs on mute while listening to classical :)
>>130089085not sure what this has to do with /classical/. maybe try >>>/gif/ instead?
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>>130089202more like oil and sin.
>>130089969In the following days, I will post more from the book and link the specific recordings mentioned in the book. It is a fun idea.
>>130090222It is an Ancient Greek gymnastic dance I imagine. What I don’t get however is how the somber Satie music matches up with it (gymnastics).
>>130090236Rare Faulkner w.
>>130090376perhaps Satie has bamboozled us once again with his sarcastic sense of humor.
>>130090389I don’t hear any Greek influence in the Gymnopedies, however in Gnossienne 1. ( 3:32 - 6:35 in the recording above) I hear major Egyptian and Greek influence. I can picture ancient Egyptian girls in silk robes doing gymnastics to that one.
>>130090639No one can possibly know what dark and grotesque things pass through the mind of a Frenchman.
>>130090389Here. I can absolutely hear Egyptian-Hellenic influence here.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N8LkkYeugoc&list=RDN8LkkYeugoc&start_radio=1&pp=ygUbQWxkbyBjaWNjb2xpbmkgR25vc3NpZW5uZSAxoAcBThis belongs as soundtrack to a Cleopatra film or something.
>>130090675> Orientalism in Erik Satie’s piano music is characterized by a subtle, atmospheric evocation of the "East" (specifically the Middle East and North Africa) rather than heavy-handed stereotypical flourishes. His approach involved using modal harmonies, hypnotic repetition, and sparse textures to create a "vibe" of exoticism that blended with his minimalist styleThis stuff I found on Google puts it quite well. The piano notes go really fast switching between one another and then end abruptly. I associated these with orientalism but I had to look up better explanations of why. > Hypnotic and Repetitive: The Gnossiennes use repetitive, obsessive motifs to create a dreamy, intoxicating, or "meditative" state.>Modal Scales and Chromaticism: Satie employed modal scales (such as Dorian) and chromatic, fluid melodies that evoke an exotic, non-Western sound.>Unresolved Harmonies: His use of unresolved chords creates an atmospheric, enigmatic quality, distancing the music from traditional Western tonal structures.Here is another one from the same piece I see as very Egyptian/ cleopatra soundinghttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4cDVhT374F4&list=RD4cDVhT374F4&start_radio=1&pp=ygUbYWxkbyBjaWNjb2xpbmkgZ25vc3NpZW5uZSA0oAcB
Prokofievhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q3vzl1yJYU&list=OLAK5uy_lWmeh9YRz7lsCpVjcxTj3F_og-1CM08uA&index=1
I'm starting to like the hiss aural aesthetic again. Makes me feel like I'm listening to classical on a cheap RCA radio owned by a friend or gf while living in a small apartment in New York City, Moscow, or Berlin, and everything is in black and white.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVWd1D3frnknow excuse me while I Mephisto Waltz with my ladyfriend
Have you learned to appreciate Charles Ives' Piano Sonata No. 2, "Concord, Mass., 1840-1860", perhaps the greatest American classical solo piano piece?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDLXCCqBok4&list=OLAK5uy_n11NLj9ZEVAbFIbDUDxjdsxEt-GtF4Mr4&index=8
https://youtu.be/PGzqVmdNJL0Even normalfags are waking up to how fucking awful modern opera singers are
>>130090746>makes statement that Erik Satie evokes the exotic and the "oriental" in his works>proceeds to list things that have been in Western Music since the Medieval eraI swear, musicologists can be some of the most retarded people on the planet.
>>130089308All of his "remasters" are fucking garbage without exception, especially the Furt Rings.
Why aren't you listening to Scriabin anons?
Why aren't you listening to Palestrina?
Why aren't you listening to Charpentier anons?
>>130091543So just like how competition culture ruined pianism, hiring agents ruined opera singing
>>130091543fuck this remind me of recently I heard someone use ai to give talor swift vibrato and it was like turning on the lights in a disney ride
>>130091555>especially the Furt Rings.Still better than listening to the original releases.
>tfw halfway through Verdi's Don Carlo when roommates started doing very loud Vietnamese karaoke, so now I have to watch TV because I can't hear my own music:/
>>130091829nothing some napalm can't fix.
Prokofievhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbFOVqICmo8&list=RDZbFOVqICmo8&start_radio=1&pp=ygUgcHJva29maWV2IHN5bXBob255IDEgYWJiYWRvIDE5ODagBwE%3D
>>130092199So if he didn't have a piano, how did he compose it?
>>130092234From Google:> Mental Composition: Prokofiev relied solely on his inner ear, composing directly in his head to avoid the "crutch" of the keyboard.>"Walking" Method: Much of the symphony was conceived while taking long walks in the countryside outside Petrograd during the summer of 1917.>Stylistic Focus: He modeled the work on Haydn's structural clarity, which allowed him to conceive of the orchestration (how instruments work together) directly without needing a piano reduction to see how it sounded.>Purposeful Choice: He wanted to avoid the "heavy" piano-based textures of his earlier works, aiming for a transparent, light, and modern sound that he felt was better achieved through direct orchestration.I assume this info is all taken from the same letters to friends which are quoted in the paragraph I uploaded.
>anon when he finally snaps from listening to his Vietnamese neighbors singing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bht2-qVsbPc&t=32
>>130092245>AI slopdon't reply to me ever againJust kidding. That's actually cool to know, thank you! Taking long walks: Beethoven, Prokofiev, and me.
this is the one I want played at my funeralhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElorttB5HUw&list=OLAK5uy_nsEqJyDux_rYix1wfWGEW5I4rMszJSFPw&index=1
>>130092248And Bach ofc
>>130092247more likehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ibES7i-HU
>>130092262You think he walked in the rhythm of a fugue?
>>130092299Yeah and like jumping off of shit
>>130092248I forgot how much I loved Classical Symphony before revisiting it just now. The 'Finale' reminds me a lot of Gilbert and Sullivan's Mikado.
>>130092345Much like the review you posted states, I primarily like it as an appetizer for a more substantial piece. For example, the many recordings which pair it with Prokofiev's 5th. So it's nice, but I've never loved it, it might as well be like a slightly better Beethoven's Egmont or Brahms' Tragic Overture for me.That said, I listened to the Abbado recording you posted and thought it was excellent. Maybe I've been selling it short. Most I've enjoyed it in a long time.
Reminder: Karl Bohm recorded Tchaikovsky 4-64https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2DnGahy9Kw5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bcz-RES9GE6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaJYjojA0o4
>>130085936It's been a while since we've had a pointless argument on /classical/ so let's change that...what are your thoughts on Seeger's technique of dissonant counterpoint?
I gotta admit, as wonderful as it is, I'm a little sick of the Tannhauser overture. In fact sometimes I'll want to listen to the opera but as soon as I start the overture, I get that ill feeling you get when you've overplayed something, and change to something else; skipping it would be sacrilegious, so that's not an option.
>>130091543Why does present this in such an annoying way. God I hate women.
>>130092658if you're sick of Tannhauser, a renaissance motet will helphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqVxmX6UlwI&list=RDGqVxmX6UlwI&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJHTtcaEDXM&list=RDdJHTtcaEDXM&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiIKbUI6Dio&list=RDMiIKbUI6Dio&start_radio=1
>>130092808I can enjoy this kind of music in small doses, but have trouble for a recording-length. Still, thanks for the links.
Idil Biret's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNHd4AlxAeI&list=OLAK5uy_neKlLoYhehrpp3OmijEQIC8N3DJxeCm0Y&index=20
I might do 2-3 weeks of listening to a bunch of Beethoven 9 recordings and ranking them. Could be fun, and been a while since I've been that into the 9th.
Anyone try Idil Biret's Beethoven piano sonatas cycle?1sthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnQYvSXA8Es&list=OLAK5uy_mM_I3P9O9HXiJxCey2A2VbvwnUPSvMXmg&index=22ndhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmVBUkRyKgQ&list=OLAK5uy_mM_I3P9O9HXiJxCey2A2VbvwnUPSvMXmg&index=619thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxXk7c6C0mM&list=OLAK5uy_mM_I3P9O9HXiJxCey2A2VbvwnUPSvMXmg&index=1020thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnUehBzb7tg&list=OLAK5uy_mM_I3P9O9HXiJxCey2A2VbvwnUPSvMXmg&index=11
>>130088263>>130090746That's a load of bullshit. I don't think the titles really mean anything, he probably chose them simply because he liked how they sound. He wasn't significantly influenced by Orientalism, probably less so than any other Impressionist. His main inspiration was medieval church music, while later his goal was admittedly to make uniquely French music.The Gnossiennes themselves were actually inspired by a Hungarian folk song he heard (which, as a Hungarian, fills me with immense nationalistic pride).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLMO7GgaNyk&list=PLg-4Y_zhbkLQGfE4_HKMdj-N7IIwI7nNo&index=23Also, despite apparently having recorded Satie's complete works twice, Cicciolini is one of the worst Satie players in my opinion. Absolutely drab, with no regard to what these pieces want to convey, not only he doesn't seem to understand them, it's like he's just trying to rush through them to get it over with. He's so bad he's making me racist to Italians, they are always said to be "emotional", I guess that just means they are mindless instinctive animals.
>>130094827I looked it up on Google and it came back that the title is a reference to Knossos Temple in Greece. His inspiration might have been multiple things.
>>130094827Not to discredit some random Magyar anon but Gnosiennes 1 and 4 bring to my mind a temple procession at Luxor and Karnak in Thebes with exotic animals, women in silk robes and statues of Anubis. Definitely nothing Central European in the slightest
>>130091573I just did. Listened to the 8th sonata two times. But now I'm going back to Boccherini and Bartok.
I think i'm speaking for all of gen z and the younger millennials when i say; this album is better than 99% of all other classical music.
>>130095400This post is off topic fyi.
>>130095460wrong
>>130092825Listen to more
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tISO7C4LX0U
