I know some people will probably roll their eyes at this thread but i've been listening to these two albums for twenty years now and listening to everything that came before and I literally cannot fathom how they sound like 'that'. They sound like absolutely nothing prior.I know people will say 'hurr durr they copied the Ramones', but they don't sound remotely like the Ramones and the Ramones have a very obvious sound. It is very obviously copying 60s pop groups but fast, whereas the Sex Pistols and 77 Clash don't sound like anything from the 60s, they sound a planet away from the early 70s stuff. But they clearly set the blueprint for every band since then and I just can't figure out where the fuck it comes from.I can understand a band like Sabbath creating something so entirely new because they were great musicians with the ability to back up new ideas with an understanding of music. But the Sex Pisols had only been playing their instruments for a year. I just don't understand.Case in point:https://youtu.be/qo2q5idipT4?si=7zYdHnd9KyfBl6X9 https://youtu.be/I6XijqjtJoA?si=xYRXq1cl76OGQFbZ https://youtu.be/7AinFtOmb5k?si=ZrqvsFyOMQV-NLfe https://youtu.be/Hhn1CXKUE4A?si=zuldt_xLM0x8LLyC
>>130100049It was about the attitude
>>130100049>Case in point:>he just posts songs of the bandsYou should have put songs that sounds similar that are before the pistols and clash
is it really all that different from the stooges?
>>130101064have you listened to the stooges? Just listen to the stooges no fun and the sex pistols no fun and that is the difference right there
>>130105111just replace with some britbong snarl and it's the same thinghttps://youtu.be/LC9km8qnbOY?si=yV9kHjI5XySINik3
>>130100049The Sex Pistols were getting a lot of their ideas from the New York Dolls and the Stooges while the Clash sounded more like a Midwest garage rock and/or UK RnB band coming out of the 1960s. In both cases, the Ramones influence on top of everything I just outlined is how the Clash and the Sex Pistols got their respective sounds.
>>130105191>Bowie MixAnon I..>>130105212The Pistols themselves didn't really care for the NY Dolls though I'll give you the Stooges. At any rate both of these bands were close to ending when the Ramones had barely formed so I don't see what your point is. I can't comment on the Clash but the Pistols were more influenced by English pub rock and pop as well as krautrock bands like Can and Neu.
>>130100049Both mogged by pic rel:https://youtu.be/Adi51YwejMY?is=mb47SvZGhoqGNl89
>>130105212It's doubtful they even knew about the Ramones when they started. And it was the Ramones who were explicitly influenced by the Dolls. OP is right, these were innovative bands with their own sound, but if their predecessor was anything, it was the pub rock bands like Dr. Feelgood, some of the edgier glam and mods bands and then the garage rock bands of the 60s.
>>130107461McLaren was involved with the NY Dolls though, and undoubtedly that (and the whole NY scene at the time really) was a huge influence for when he made the Sex Pistols.
wasn't Stiff Little Fingers doing their punky thing before the sex pistols?anyway, both most of the Clash and some of the pistols went to see the Ramones before either put out a record. not to undermine op, he has a point, but just saying
>>130100049Cope from 'punks' too proud to admit Malcolm was right -- media attention is the key, and it's irrelevant how good or bad at music a band is (and SP's literally had one good song - Pretty Vacant), if they could come up with media stunts to get on the front page.(And they weren't 'original'. Literally every 70s stoner hard rock band sounded like that loud, hookless din before they got good at their instruments, just almost none were professionally recorded.)
>>130108115He didn't make the sex pistols though, he was asked to be the manager
>>130108527No, Stiff started immediately after hearing the clash.Most of the Pistols songs were written before they even went to see the Ramones
I just read Dark Luminosity; Memoirs of a Geezer by Jah Wobble. He was PiL's first bassist and a childhood friend of John Lydon and Sid Vicious. I read it as I wanted an outsider perspective on The Sex Pistols. John just mentioned in passing one day that he was joining a band. They were all novices. Steve Jones had only been playing guitar for a few months. Wobble himself had only just picked up the bass. I think that has a lot to do with it. Those kids were thrown into the fire headfirst. From poor working class kids to rock stars literally overnight.
