have some drums, drum thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71QSx8G7udw

>>130101629
Bump from /goth/

>>130101783
>drum machines
lol jk

>>130101629
>ludwig vistalites
based op

bump

just a friendly reminder if you can't play a skank beat without a double bass you're a fag

>>130104072
language, sir.
this is a drum thead.

>>130104103
My apologies good sir, it shall not happen again.

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>go on facebook marketplace
>finally find a decent deal on a used cymbal
>it's cracked
every fucking time

>>130104176
just drill n dremel it out
easy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYpJwOuUozA

Should I learn trad grip lads?

>>130104224
ahhh, the many discord drum channels ive been banned from over trad grip.... good times.

trad grip is cool. super powerful, super dynamic, super effortless. you can even do it with your ride hand, depending on your set up. dont buy all this "people hurt themselves playing trad' shit from reddit discord.

i love it, but only fck around with it. i play matched. its a good lesson of the knid of bounce and dynamics you should aim for with any other grip.

>>130104224
I hate that it comes way more natural for my right hand to hold it differently rather than my left. It's like I came from an alternate universe where I was a drummer boy and we hung our snare drum over the opposite shoulder.

>>130104704
me too! but i dont find it functional for too much. strange how utterly easy it is tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVCPd4CUKUQ

go here and talk about how cool and healthy trad grip is

https://discord.com/servers/the-drumming-discord-386240468695908353

(first time poster so I might fuck this up...)

here are some recourses I used starting out and still use to this day

- Stick Control: For the Snare Drummer
Book by George Lawrence Stone

- Advanced techniques for the modern drummer
Book by Jim Chapin

If anyone is looking to start drumming I would recommend sticks and a practice pad and the first book that I listed. Once you can play that book you will be ahead of most drummers before you even touch a kit.

>>130101629
STOP ALWAYS PLAYING SO LOUD AT EVERY CONCERT REGARDLESS OF THE ROOM YOU'RE AT YOU FUCKING CUNTS

>>130105239
you say this shit every time there is a drum thread, drummers aren't a hive mind you dumb fag. only low tier players do that shit, and if you have a problem with it then you can tell it to them directly.

>>130105180
add syncopation for the modern drummer and thats the holy trinity for me. other drummers found cool shit other places, but these are the tree that teach 1: reading, basic note shit, basic rhythm shit and syncopation. 2. sticking and doubles and swapping lead hands. 3 the independence that gets you to a competent jazz level. this is the core.

>>130105065
Kek. I'm in this server but i never talk in it because it's shit. Did you actually get banned from this server over an argument about trad grip? That's fucking hilarious if you did.

>>130105313
damn I didn't know that book existed thank u..

I didn't stick with jazz drumming long enough to find it I guess. I mostly play country / alt stuff but ill definitely check this out. my bands will be pissed once I start playing some heady syncopated stuff lmao

>>130105321
yes, yes i did. some mod;/owner has a real beef with trad grip. claims his friend from music school really injured himself played trad grip. and i was posting videos of like 70 year old buddy rich saying 'i dunno he seems ok' and it escalated and they really threatened me to be deferential and apologetic to them and since i didnt they banned me.

not gonna lie, i was starting to meet some cool drummers there and having cool conversations with other people, but the owner /mods were hardcore power trippin. still banned. fuck them.

>>130105336
it all depends on the route your teacher gave you, if you had a teacher. i started with the syncopation book.

do you play swung country, double time boogie woogie country, or straight country?

>>130105357
yeah my teacher started me with stick control then advanced techniques, I would imagine if I stuck around longer he would of got me into syncopation aswell.

I play a bit of everything you listed, my main band is more of a alt country group in the vein of mj lenderman / the deslondes kind of stuff. But I also play pick up gigs for money, if im lucky its western swing or something uptempo but mostly its straight country line dancing kind of stuff which I cant get into as much.

>>130105391
my teacher was more of the 'keep them interested' kind of teacher, so it was the syncopation book to learn reading and rhythm and basic funkyness, then into transcribing and playing tunes. i found stick control on accident and decided one day, after having a copy lying around for years, to try it and discovered what is was trying to teach: alternating lead hands, doubles to get straight, and then doubles for speed. then i found the Chapin book on accident because I was looking into jazz history and some one said Jim just transcribed what Kenny Clark (Klook) was playing so i had to look them both up. Chapins book taught me jazz. long path i guess.

>>130105391
>>130105398
also, you get funky cats like alan dawson reinventing Syncopation and writing their own books. worth a look. dawson is a magician.

>>130105357
my highschool teacher made me start with that book too, it's basically the drumming bible imo. he wouldn't let me play anything else until I had made my way through the entire thing.

>>130104224
No.

>>130105313
>syncopation for the modern drummer
That's all just quarter notes on the bass drum? Seems pretty limited in how far it can get you. Skimmed through the book and it just seems like stuff you'd be able to blaze through if you're good at your rudiments.

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>>130108271
there is nothing stopping you from playing any of the parts on a different voicing.

>>130108271
its not a rudiments thing. its a syncopation thing, pauses, accents. basics in sight reading. rhythmic expectations.

and dawson works his triplet variations through the syncopation pages, like this guy mentions >>130108981

rudiments are its own issue and im a bit indfifferent to rudiments.

>>130109023
>indifferent to rudiments
What why?

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>tfw you can finally play an acoustic for the first time in a month
https://voca.ro/19RzfMEmRyYI

>>130109611
Why couldn't you?

>>130109790
shit happens. no time , no space , no privacy, dog died.

>>130109611
Sounds nice. How long have you been playing?

>>130110044
on and off for about 8-9 years but didn't start taking it seriously until about 3 years ago

>>130109070
its just personal, maybe. cuz stick control is basically woodshedding some rudiments. something about it. yheah ive pulled out the chart and looked at them all, but i never "today i will work on rudi #17-21". there are essential movements in there you need, but a paradiddle is fine. i dont need a paraparadiddle as an idea. its just sorta additive to make the chart. i like thinking a bit more musically and dont think of composition as "#4 three times then #37".
so i get em, just not overinterested. thats just me.

>>130113472
I just practice all of them for variety desu. Also the flam and drags are useful.

>>130113518
flams are cool and useful, as are drags. but abstractly, if youve worked your sticking so that you can play constant 16ths in unison and then add accents into it to make it rhythmic and musical, then you have a system of every possibility of lead note, ornament note, flam, diddles, paras, alternatings, and you dont have to box it into little ideas with names and think you have to learn the names. whatever gets us where we want to be, this is just my perspective.

>>130113696
So do you just sit there practicing 16ths all day?

Bought mine from an ex punk chick who sold the kit for $250 (back in like 2012) and later bought a really nice snare (200) and more cymbals (those cymbals sucked), still use the base drum, toms, and hihat from that kit though I would love new hihat, all these years playing drums and I can't tune them for shit, my base drum does not have the ideal thud and you hear it in all my songs

>>130104224
practiced it for a year and a half in percussion classes in school and it still never felt natural, fuck that shit I don't see the point other than aesthetics unless you're jazz drumming i guess

>>130113808
What's even the purpose if you're jazz drumming?

>>130113835
i really can't say that its an advantage, more that the jazz drumming scene always seems to frown at you if you can't do it

>>130113852
Do they really? Or is it just deeply ingrained? What even is the jazz drumming scene excluding fusion nowadays?

>killer at playing my beats, can keep my hihat hand (or on floor tom or cymbal) going whilst moving bass notes or snare notes anywhere with complete ease until I reach very high speeds
>drum fills have barely ever gone past the rolling on the snare or down the toms shit
how do I fix this? my off beats with snare hits are good enough that sometimes they sound like quirky fills on their own but I still never considered these fills because I'm all about fitting these in while I maintain the hihat hand going consistently on 1/8 or 1/4 notes

>>130113873
Learn more fills. Take fills you like and learn them. Then incorporate them into your improv. Then modify them. Don't sweat it if you're not that fluid with them. Jam on a beat, get ready for a fill, go for something, and if you don't get it out then take a minute or two and develop the idea into a full fill, then learn it fluidly. Then move on.

>>130113784
do you read bro? look again.

but yeah have i practiced 16ths in unison at various tempos, exploring dynamics within the constant roll of each hand. thats kinda the roots of funk music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAvRBcknTXU

even boogie woogie, country, jazz is like snare hand and ride ride swinging in unison as a basic back beat.

>>130113808
>>130113835
do you not know the graceful lightness and power and efficiency and effortlessness of the slight pressure of your thumb on a fulcrum?

are you guys from https://discord.com/servers/the-drumming-discord-386240468695908353 ?

>>130113873
just chill out and experiement. play along to a song that has melodic theme. play the theme on the toms, on the toms and snare, as a beat, go back and forth between them. give it a shot

>>130113902
I'm not saying not to practice 16ths, but that's pretty limited. What about four limb independence?

>>130113901
i never needed tabs to get good at regular drum beats but I feel like without a big series of tabs for fills I'm just gonna keep doing /16 notes around the kit and maybe adding rolls or 32nd notes

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Everybody post your snare drum!!!

>>130113968
What do you mean tabs? You should be able to listen to any fill a few times and play it. At the very least you should be able to get it if you slow down the song. What kind of beats do you play?

>>130113932
my guy, did i say i dont do anything else? are your rudiments helping with your four limb independence?

but read again. if youre practicing within a system in which RLB can accent any note within a constant ostinato of 16ths, a sort of chordal thinking, then of course you can explore independence (which i view as an overlapping, rather than pure independence). but this is just a thing amongst others, so im not sure why youre projecting a bunch of limitations that arent there.

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>>130113983
Only snare I've ever owned.

>>130113997
give him a break if he likes tabs. its ok. and some shit is hard to hear.

>>130114010
You're kind of saying to shun rudiments lol
>will rudiments help limb independence?
Honestly a bit if you play them on all combinations of legs and arms. Or you could play one rudiment on the legs and one on the arms. That'd do wonders for independence.

I was the drummer of my group ( all friends played geetar, some really well) from age 16 to 19 though the really good guitar friends didn't take me seriously until they had kinda moved on from the friendship when I got good and broke through walls around age 19, then when I dropped out of college I decided I had to learn guitar if I wanted to write my own music, queue a year of me playing guitar for an hour or more every single day for a year straight ending in a huge amount of progress and a whole instrumental EP where I played everything, now years and years later I'm a great guitarist, not a master or genius by any means but especially chord wise I've got my shit, and I'm a slightly above average drummer (partially going off witnessing live drummers I sometimes mog) and sometimes I think what if I didn't pivot to guitar and put that same amount of energy into drums? I'd probably have hit difficulty walls and slowed down in progress but logically I'd be easily good enough to drum for serious bands and probably several, I drove a big van for years too so I had the means to move, just something I think about sometimes, all in all writing my own music is my lifes purpose but I also feel like I missed out on my chance to become a big live musician and now trying to do that would be a massive difficulty especially since I totaled that van 4 years ago. Funny thing is I'd probably have tried to put my drum skills toward being somewhere between John French, Bill Bruford, and Britt Walford and if I was anything like Drumbo band leaders would be telling me to cut that shit out and I'd be all "nah you don't understand my counter rhythms are contrasting perfectly" realistically if I ever get back in someone elses band it'll be drums or bass (another funny story because I'm pretty good but I can't play slap bass)

>>130114011
I had a 90s Japanese 14x6.5 Tama Rockstar steel snare once. I traded it for a QSC power amp

>>130113997
I play rock drums but I groooooove, so I have a lot of wedged in off beats with my snare and base drum, I don't really do metal except for like big cymbal type shit, and I play punk to an extent with like fast simple beats I'll throw in now and again (can't jam with the homies without that occasionally) if a fill was isolated with no other instruments slowed down sure I could roughly copy it but sometimes they're wedging in shit that I miss, also I need like examples of off kilter fills that I wouldn't think of on my own, thats why tabs would be useful

>>130114024
i never said shun anything. why would you say that? i went out of my way to say i have a personal system and personal perspective and then articulated it a bit.

>whatever gets us where we want to be, this is just my perspective

>Honestly a bit if you play them on all combinations of legs and arms
agree, but thats extrapolating, which is great, but different than just saying "do your rudiments" the way lit dudes say 'read the greeks'

>>130113983
https://reverb.com/item/81467754-vintage-gretsch-6-5x14-snare-drum-1980-4153-antique-maple-jasper-shell-6-5x14
mines a bit more modern than this, but pretty close. got it used from someone giving up the game. was kinda sad. but ive had it for years.

>>130114041
Was it any good? I'm not much of a gear guy. I have shitty HCS Meinl cymbals, the crash is 100% cracked, and I don't care. They sound pretty good to me.

>>130114093
>that's extrapolating
Not really. I think "do your rudiments" applies to all 6 combinations of arms and legs. If you're not doing that you're not really practicing your rudiments. I pick a random rudiment every day and then practice it on hands, feet, each hand right foot, each hand left foot, obviously alternating which one leads. At a variety of tempi. That's what I'd consider a complete rudiment practice session.

>>130114120
we did hella paradiddles back in perc class so I've got those and variations glued into my genome but besides flams and really basic rudiments like rolls thats all I remember from that era

>>130114133
You should be able to do all 40 rudiments from very fast to very slow on all combinations of feet and hands (except buzz roll on the feet I guess). If you can't you need to do more rudiment practice.

>>130114120
lol bro thats exactly extrapolating.

if you want to take an eleven stroke roll literally written in most charts as a snare roll and start mixing it up, thats totally cool. but youre the first person ive ever heard of extrapolating it. thats great.

but thats also kinda my point, once you open the door to the extrapolation, you arent doing the rudiment. your just exploring advanced technique in small guided frameworks, which you could dioscover and explore in many ways.

again. i never dismissed rudiments and i think we d agree that taking chapin, syncopation, stick control , rudiments, and extrapolating like alan dawson did, is the way to grow.

>>130114149
It's not extrapolating to play rudiments on your feet lol. That's just playing rudiments on your feet.

>>130114138
and how are you applying the more complex rudiments into your kit playing? I could play them all day with two hands or 1 hand 1 foot (slowly at least) but tell me to apply it to my kit playing and I'm gonna force it negatively

>>130114164
>I could play them all day with two hands or 1 hand 1 foot (slowly at least)
If you can't do it fast you should be working on that.

>>130114159
thats just disingenuous.
find me a single source or chart of rudiments that doesnt strictly discuss them as a RL hand roll thing.
saying its a RL foot thing isnt different, as thats a common sense thing if youre a double bass drummer. but other wise thats my point. most people perceive the rudiments as fixed. if you are different great. congrats. if you find some advantage in playing hand/foot rudiments, great. good for you. for me, i dont really need the rudiments to explore combinations of hand/foot alternations and rolls, as they just come up in my regular practice. so you do you. im not negging on you. perhaps do your drum bros the same courtesy of not projecting.

>>130114239
theres literally a discussion here of alan dawson reusing pages of Syncopation for his triplets practice.

bro coulda just said, 'yeah i do the same thing with the rudiments" and i would be like woah cool idea, never thought of it before.

just sayin, dude. good night.

>>130114190
okay but you wanna answer the question before that

>>130114344
It's a ridiculous question. I'm not applying them directly in my kit playing, but that's not the point.

>>130114360
what is the point, gitting gud?

>>130114379
Yeah pretty much lol
If you're really good at rudiments pretty much anything is going to be significantly easier to learn.

>>130114360
its not a ridiculous question at all. in fact its the only question.
the whole point is to apply it to being musical on the kit, from jazz to death metal.
which is again my point about rudiments. who cares if you can speed run 40 rudiments with three limbs if its just an exercise and doesnt impact your musical playing?

rudiment bro has a bias. it ok to have a preference, but a bias that says "its a ridiculous question" is a blind spot.

>>130114448
>doesn't impact your musical playing
It'll make you more precise in whatever you play and make it easier to learn new things. That's not an impact?

Why is a Ludwig LM402 Supraphonic with a 42 strand snare and Remo coated Emperor batter head so fucking good man.
It can be a little tricky to dial in, but an even medium tuning gives it so much power, depth and detail.
So fucking good man.
I just want the Yamaha Steve Jordan signature snare with the wooden hoops for my tight/dead high tuning drum. Those two snares and I'm set for everything I play.

>>130114465
do you know what musicality is?

>>130114344
a more useful answer would be 'imagine a drummer whos like a combination of nate smith, john bonham, and zach hill"
to say its a ridiculous question is so far beyond a reasonable answer... it points to the limits of your perspective. if youre happy there, god bless.

>>130114495
>do you know what musicality is?
A nebelous concept that people use to not practice their rudiments?

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>>130113983

>>130114506
and thus you demonstrate your limits.
have a good night. hope to do it again.

>>130114551
Practice your rudiments

>>130114558
lame, but you do you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYpJwOuUozA

>>130113983
Very nice. I ordered a piccolo snare ~8 years ago and it's still in the box. I've been depressed-as-fuck and just sleep/lie in bed whenever I'm not working.
I still daydream about whether I need that second snare, or if I should just stick to my two toms and standard snare.

>>130114617
bro, your body and health is like an engine or a battery. the drumming you make is evidence of its vitality. make drumming happen however you can and you will be happier and healthier.

>>130114636
I believe it. I don't think anything will change until I am able to retire -- even then, it'll be an uphill battle.
I was just listening to some Toe; thinking about learning 孤独の発明. Just a dream though. Only a dream (and it's fading now; fading away~).

>>130101629
Drum machines have made you guys obsolete.

>>130114897
>has no idea about how cool drums are

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A friend sold his drumkit years ago due to having kids and no space and was thinking of getting him pic related, I was going to pull the trigger on the Millenium 750DX kit but they want almost the same price as the kit for shipping here, is this the best Roland kit to get back into drums?

>>130114931
gear cuck
its ok
just keep it in your garage

>>130114931
Yes. I have this kit it's pretty good

>>130115037
Will virtually any double pass pedal fit with these? I know sfa about drums but enough to know Roland are sneaky showing every pic with them but not including them in the kit.

>>130115058
It has just about enough space on the bass drum pad to fit 2 beaters comfortably, as long as you have it lined up properly. Haven't had any problems with it.

Is it true that you can learn to play from rockband?

>>130115172
It's the only instrument in those games where you actually do some sort of real playing. So yeah it could be a first intro where you can transition into an actual kit after a bit if you find out you want to keep playing.

>>130115172
No.

>>130115172
it can get you started on basic limb independence and time keeping skills but thats about the extent of it.

>>130115158
Cool thanks for the info

>>130113808
Honestly the only reason i wanted to learn it was for when i get blisters playing matched i could swap over to trad grip and play that way until they healed over a bit. And also because it looks cool af