Rachmaninoff edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsApmlDE0tIThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130102427
>>130135593Why intrusive? Like into your living room? Or exerting too much control and change over the music?
how the fuck does anyone enjoy Boulez
>>130137299Brain damage.
how the fuck does anyone enjoy Wagner
>>130137589ears
>>130137589Neuroplasticity.
>>130137589Estrogen.
How the fuck does anyone enjoy Gould
how does anyone tolerate this place?
>>130138098Wagner.
Whats your favorite fugue?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MJCPAt13vw
>>130138607fuck you
>>130138893don't you mean fugue you? haha
>>130138052ears
>>130138607https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmm1kC_fAaU
>>130138966something Gould lacked
>>130138607Contrapunctus IX
>>130136461Constant Lamberthttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AS3_S0EAPEM&list=RDAS3_S0EAPEM&start_radio=1&pp=ygUcRGF2aWQgbGxveWQgam9uZXMgcmlvIGdyYW5kZaAHAQ%3D%3D
>>130138052Listen to Bob Dylan
What is warmth in music? What are its hallmarks? How do Dvorak and Elgar fare in this regard?
>>130139554A throbbing cock. Wagner.
>>130139554I think both of their music are very warm.
Too much Wagner lately, gonna do an all Verdi dayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1v9lBxpCKU&list=OLAK5uy_lIvDT_l4joHbZ3dXsoctOjuvlmPVTYvwA&index=25
>>130139909>I think both of their music are very warm.Messages sent over Discord by your SEAsian egirlfriend about her most beloved HOYO-MiX tracks.
People talk about the deterioration of this website and nowhere is it clearer than this general. I don't remember a general ever going this badly this quickly, just a ~year ago things were significantly better. Wtf happened, where did all these morons crawl out from?
>>130140301You have to be very new if you think this is the worst this general has been.
GG CPEB SAm1 Wq 41https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRfnVeGtxqE&list=RDMRfnVeGtxqE&start_radio=1
Why is /v/ playing moonlight sonata when you are on the main page>>>/v/
>>130140356Pianist?
>2026>world is on the brink of collapse>not joymaxxing with Josquin, Palestrina, Chabrier, Vivaldi, Boccherini, Haydn and OffenbachNGMI, start jestermaxxing nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqrZfUl6d4k&list=RDpqrZfUl6d4k&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGkb5KFwx1I&list=RDxGkb5KFwx1I&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXo5zfI8HOI&list=RDvXo5zfI8HOI&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF5kr251BRs&list=RDtF5kr251BRs&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XA4ORVMOgk&list=RD6XA4ORVMOgk&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAAoHrTf_w8&list=RDtAAoHrTf_w8&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Hvdrf--V0&list=RDx6Hvdrf--V0&start_radio=1
>>130141309that Vivaldi concerti sounds AI Generated
>>130141346He was ahead of his time
>>130140646Beethoven is eternally self-justified!
>>130141198Yuja Wang, the side, side piece of /classical/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjQyoD3kGwA
>>130141309I like joymaxxing with Josquin Monteverdi Haydn Mozart Schubert and Dvorak personallymaybe some Martin-Kraus and ol' 'Thoven as well
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNb_ljRUwI8
Einojuhani Rautavaara - Piano Concerto No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFIGoB7rK70&list=RDuAymD_BL_qI&index=5
do I dare?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np8DPJWuYCY&list=OLAK5uy_ncCjy5pEXwWcp23OdO-14e3rjYu2t3XsA&index=1
Favourite Dvorak tone poem? For me it's The Wild Dove.https://youtu.be/ZwxyKDT2rGI
>>130140301>I don't remember a general ever going this badly this quicklyCan you explain what's going badly now?This is the best this general has been for YEARS. All the schizos finally left, and general has slowed down. If you come here to doomscroll, you're not in the right place.
>>130143685Not a fan of tone poems.
>>130143709Why did Hec left the general? Been less funny ever since tbqh.
>>130143740That's like not liking Preludes>>130143685depends on my mood but i like all four rather equally
>>130144014Chopindian just got boring to bait.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nycmPDGtmgk&t=89s
does anyone has some recs of french music from the romantic era ?
>>130145782Fauré nocturnes and barcarolles, chamber music.
>>130145782Berlioz, Saint-Saens, Faure, Bizet, Gounod, Franck. I'm sure there are many more obscure ones known to those from that country, but these are the ones that transcended.
>tfw no Kubelik Ringwhy live
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI4Hrn4a7DI&list=OLAK5uy_lO8GqjavV-zFsyS90t8I9NBDLgcxPELiM&index=48A set that ought to be in every classical fan's library.
RachAnon, if you have the time and inclination, how would you rank all of Rachmaninoff's works?
I wish you guys would talk about Schoenberg more. Thoughts on this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9BmrEXs64Q
>>130146750>SchoenbergI love his earlier more romantic stuff, especially his Pelleas und Melisande orchestral piece and his Transfigured Night/Verklate Nacht, and on occasion his first string quartet, though I really have to be in the mood. Oh and his solo piano music is nice. While I don't love him in equal measure to his stature in the classical realm, I don't doubt he is deserving of it.As for the piece you linked, I'm not really into organ music. I listened to a bit of it nonetheless and like Messiaen's organ music, it's interesting and neat, but not for me.
I listened to Wagner while on my walk and ended up conquering my local neighborhood, fughttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrxGCsL5-RM&list=OLAK5uy_lmQJnBYhwe1-Vjzdzi7qQ2ftEeVtYUR20&index=3
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Trio No. 5 in D Major, Op. 70 No. 1 "Ghost"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM6bYirBcMA&list=OLAK5uy_l54xeJWY-ylCOfAsKMJbgijVH35swRh3U&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Trio No. 7 in B-Flat Major, Op. 97, "Archduke"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ST2kWYbuR4&list=OLAK5uy_l54xeJWY-ylCOfAsKMJbgijVH35swRh3U&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l54xeJWY-ylCOfAsKMJbgijVH35swRh3U>Renaud Capuçon, Gautier Capuçon and Frank Braley, well established as chamber-music partners, perform two of Beethoven's greatest piano trios, the 'Ghost' and the 'Archduke'. "Together, all three musicians have the quality that is the most priceless of all in playing chamber music," wrote The Guardian when the Capuçons and Braley played the 'Archduke' at London's Wigmore Hall, "they listen intently to each other and always take note of what they do. Their account of the Archduke Trio... had a tremendous sense of organic coherence."
Blocks your path
Just... WOWhttps://youtu.be/5poSw7tFLB4?si=4fSMHwMpG8ibgogL
>>130144014good
Chopin Twenty-Four Preludes Opus 28>Julien BrocalNot too bad, but also not too good. Mostly not too good I'm afraid.>Adam HarasiewiczThe audio quality is a bit scuffed. The interpretation is unsentimental for the most part, sometimes almost harsh but that might be due to the recording quality. I wouldn't call it my favorite, but it's honestly quite good. Great clarity and balance between the voices. Has a bit of an odd, mechanical approach to Nos. 22 & 24.
made the mistake of not lowering my volume before pressing play on a Solti recording and now my speakers are blown out, thanksfrom the opening note ofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPOySNgjlJ8&list=OLAK5uy_nkuKqzc20HIH20-LP3qn0X46uI_wdeWJA&index=1
>>130148377I used to listen to that Harasiewicz a lot back when I first got into Chopin and didn't know how to really find new recordings. That and his Nocturnes.
>>130148956your mistake was listening to a Solti recordingmay you have learned your lesson
>>130149308His Strauss is really good tho!
>>130148377>>Julien Brocal>Not too bad, but also not too good. Mostly not too good I'm afraid.wrong, it's the best one
now playingstart of Chopin: 12 Études, Op. 25https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4NCRbtbTeU&list=OLAK5uy_nyyu5j2if59HQUYczBEszwgLSQ1XjN4rM&index=2start of Chopin: 4 Scherzihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtZreCiYW74&list=OLAK5uy_nyyu5j2if59HQUYczBEszwgLSQ1XjN4rM&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nyyu5j2if59HQUYczBEszwgLSQ1XjN4rM
John BrookLion JohnAlan John John Stranger
Ginsters Pasties Concerto no1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kesUKzsJjfg&list=RDkesUKzsJjfg&start_radio=1
Harp Concertohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3CJk32SOMU&list=RDS3CJk32SOMU&start_radio=1
What's the most Satanic classical music you can recommend?
>>130150421This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjsThere are more satanic pieces, but I can't recommend them.
>>130150449Not even close. >>130150421 go get Scriabin's 6th and 9th piano sonatas
>>130150421Scriabin's 6th and 9th sonatas and his Satanic Poem (Poeme satanique)
>>130150421>>130150835oh and Sorabji's Opus Clavicembalisticum
>>130150843shut the fuck up
>>130150421Liszt's Faust Symphony, Dante Symphony, and Mepthisto Waltz of course.
>>130150421The singing in Mahler 2.Ruins an otherwise angelic and perfect piece.
Why isn't she as well known as Flagstad and Nilsson? I think she mogged them, not just with her powerful voice, but also she put more feeling into her work. She was unbelievably great.
I liked ai when it was stupid and janky, it's just getting too clever and competent now. Competency isn't funny. And how did it know Paganini is a goat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2SC9y6RpnE&list=RDN2SC9y6RpnE&start_radio=1
The question is, if I quit on a Ring cycle 2/3rds through its Die Walkure, on the different cycle I switch to to listen, do I start back with Das Rheingold which I already heard this morning, or do I start from Siegfried, then loop back around? hmm
>>130150995One day you will learn to appreciate it, and you will look back and laugh at the silly opinion you hold now.
>>130150995to be fair there ARE few good singers who record that piececheck out Mehta, I think the singer on that one is great
>>130150864>stop recommending this Anon the music he asked for on the music board
Really like this piecehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-Qx6w2XUbU
>Margaret Price, a Mozart specialist, sings the finest Isolde I've ever heard. Unfortunately poor Rene Kollo's Tristan gets kind of drowned out by her, his very fine but insufficiently voluminous voice notwithstanding. He's no Suthaus, is all.>The search for the perfect 'Tristan' is ever-elusive:>Solti - can't hear the singers; Nilsson refused studio recordings categorically after this one;>v. Karajan - a perfect performance spoiled by shrieking Helda Dernesch just because v.K. was a condescending s.o.b. so Nilsson refused to work with him;>Boehm's criminally fast tempi, especially in this the greatest opera ever written (don't take my word for it, look up what Lenny Bernstein said about the work and tempi);>So there are only two 'Tristans' - this one and the absolutely perfect 1953 Furtwaengler/Flagstad/Suthaus performance but in horrible sound. Why couldn't technology have advanced just 10 years, then there would never be a need for another 'Tristan' recording - ever.>I wind up listening to Act1 to Price, Act 3 to Suthaus, Act 2 varies with mood.>Anyway - get this recording - you really can't do better overall.tru? is this the one to conquer them all?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfs4Adb89Ag&list=OLAK5uy_niMqJeBhTDA8VOtJTXKn4fd66vwOb5Pas&index=1
>>130151156Listened to the first movement -- surprised I never heard this sonata before! Loving it. Thanks for sharing.
>>130150421Scriabin's Poeme Satanique is the most obvious choice, and maybe the 9th sonata. And the Liszt recs you got. There are also a few operas (like Anton Rubinstein's The Demon, although I'm not sure if that counts). Other than that, it's hard to think of explicitly satanic pieces. It usually comes in the music itself rather than symbolism or text - such as Prokofiev's piano concerto no.2, the cadezna is as terrifying as any true satanic music should be. And there are others like Bartok's Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta and Mahler's 10th too, although I image the latter is the least accessible of all the above.
now playingstart of JS Bach: Keyboard Concerto No. 1 in D Minor, BWV 1052https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJz-XR40dYI&list=OLAK5uy_luMCydbV0CIKcR9lxeZ7apMewrU596NdA&index=2start of JS Bach: Keyboard Concerto No. 2 in E Major, BWV 1053https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC5GjWN5LJQ&list=OLAK5uy_luMCydbV0CIKcR9lxeZ7apMewrU596NdA&index=5start of JS Bach: Keyboard Concerto No. 3 in D Major, BWV 1054https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92EiFBLLFXk&list=OLAK5uy_luMCydbV0CIKcR9lxeZ7apMewrU596NdA&index=8start of JS Bach: Keyboard Concerto No. 5 in F Minor, BWV 1056https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErELt9GL4pQ&list=OLAK5uy_luMCydbV0CIKcR9lxeZ7apMewrU596NdA&index=10https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_luMCydbV0CIKcR9lxeZ7apMewrU596NdA>Acclaimed pianist Beatrice Rana presents her latest album, a radiant tribute to J.S. Bach's Keyboard Concertos. Featuring BWV 1052, 1053, 1054, and 1056, this recording captures the intimate chemistry of Rana with the Amsterdam Sinfonietta, with Candida Thompson as concertmaster. Recorded in April 2022, following a 10-concert tour together, the album reflects the depth and brilliance born of their shared musical journey. Bach's timeless elegance and energy are reimagined through Rana's expressive artistry and the ensemble's dynamic interpretation.Haven't listened to these concerti in forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QVdApQ3ZGA&list=RD6QVdApQ3ZGA&start_radio=1
>>130151732I don't listen to women
>>130151965Based. I don't like women or ching chong performers either.
>>130151019Probably because she was so fat.
>>130151211>furtwangler 1953>mono>slow>"absolutely perfect"also the Barenboim is better than the Kleiber
>>130151222Glad you enjoyed it, discovered it after putting all of Hamelin's albums on a playlist to listen to, would also recommend everyone to try it, guys is a legend and there are a plethora of cool pieces that he plays to discover.
>>130151965>>130151997>I listen to a smaller pool of performers and that makes me based somehow
>>130151019Nah. Grob-Prandl had immense technical ability for sure, but her vibrato was ridiculous. Flagstad and Nilsson were both immensely more sensitive as singers.>>130151211Anyone who thinks Bohm's Tristan is "criminally" fast has brain damage.
>>130152690>Anyone who thinks Bohm's Tristan is "criminally" fast has brain damage.don't take his word for it, look up what Lenny B said about the work and tempihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPLtMAX2oBg&t=2s
>>130152706>look what this other retard saidLike I was saying.
>>130152706I would rather be raped by a horse than hear Bernstein's opinion on anything in the universe
interesting, didn't know Kegel had a Parsifal, added to the backloghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XJS50igb_c&list=OLAK5uy_n9dOCcWCoebCEAtCTWzv5THxKAWBhfiBo&index=1>A Parsifal which is nearly forty-five years old and recorded in the old East Germany with a cast and conductor nowhere near as starry as rival versions - can this really be worth considering as a first choice? Perhaps not, especially when pitted against the majesty and might of established classic versions by Knappertsbusch, Karajan, Solti and Kubelik but I am convinced that any devotee of Wagner's last masterpiece will want to hear and own it, as it offers a true "Gesamtkunstwerk" with an unrivalled sense of unity and purpose, unified by the vision of a conductor prepared to eschew the increasingly "spiritual" approach and look instead for the dramatic thrust Parsifal can generate when unhampered by a quasi-religious reverence. (from Ralph Moore's survey)and>Kegel’s Parsifal certainly enters this second list for the excellent overall quality - presentation, sound, singers, chorus, and orchestra - and the unique, uncompromising interpretation. As the exact antithesis to Goodall, Kegel’s Parsifal never leaves the impression of a neighbour who, though pleasant in principle, lingers annoyingly in the door for another hour after saying goodbye. Even next to a dozen Parsifals, this well produced set – as likely to find ardent supporters as vociferous opponents – gladly receives the little shelf-space it needs. ---- Jens F. Laursonhehe
>>130152797>Kollo and Adamplease kill me
>>130152804conductor > singers, in terms of importancealso I thought those guys were good
>>130152706He's always been right
>>130152813They're alright that anon just has turbo autism against them
>>130152813>conductor > singers, in terms of importanceNo? Good singers can save boring conducing, but good conducting can't save ugly singers.also they're pretty subpar, even if there's worse singers>>130152876it's turbo autism do dislike frequently criticized singers? Even in the earlier review posted here >>130151211 Kollo is criticized
>>130153013I say it's turbo autism for you because you always treat them as if they break every performance they're apart of. Kollo was a mediocre heldentenor but he's also better than anything we've had in the last two decades and he's tolerable. Adam had some wobble problems as he got older but at the very least his basic technical ability was good and he had superb acting chops. It's 70s Kollo and Adam anyhow, long before either of them really got annoying. They're fine in that recording.
>>130153337>you alwayswho the fuck are you talking about, I haven't come here in like 3 years since the sister spammer was ruining the place
>>130153013>>130153337In any case, I appreciate someone who knows what they like, no matter which way they lean.
>>130153519Then I guess there's another guy that always bitches about Kollo and Adam with the exact same posting style
now playingstart of Debussy: Preludes, Book 1, L. 117https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8P7q-Zb-70&list=OLAK5uy_kYK50tYNh08W32wJ0YxPtCmQr11NjlcC4&index=2start of Satie: 6 Gnossienneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K6hcyydW9U&list=OLAK5uy_kYK50tYNh08W32wJ0YxPtCmQr11NjlcC4&index=14start of Satie: 3 Gymnopédieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBUPOWVKSX0&list=OLAK5uy_kYK50tYNh08W32wJ0YxPtCmQr11NjlcC4&index=19https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kYK50tYNh08W32wJ0YxPtCmQr11NjlcC4>Perhaps because their piano music was so different, Satie and Debussy were close friends from the time of the Gymnopédies onwards and whereas Satie’s titles here look back to ancient Greek civilisation, Debussy derived the individual preludes in his first collection from more contemporary literature, art or nature. But, like Satie, he wanted to make them look different in publication and placed their titles at the end, although he must have realised that once played, their titles would never be forgotten.I'm telling you guys, Fazil Say is one of the great pianists of our time, his extensive discography containing much of the standard repertoire is all worth listening to.
Wait, so Levine does have recordings of Tannhauser, Lohengrin, Tristan und Isolde, and Meistersinger, but they're only available on DVD and not CD? What a joke. Anyone heard them? DG loves to release Levine recordings, especially opera, so they must not be particularly good without the visuals and acting to carry the performances.
“music is magic, pure and clean You can feel it and hear it but it can't be seen”Mozart
>>130155224Ok.
>>130152690>vibrato was ridiculousHer vibrato was second to none.>Flagstad and Nilsson were both immensely more sensitive as singersDrivel. Grob-Prandl was the reincarnation of Brunhilde.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs7PyipPwlM&pp=ygUMZ3JvYi1wcmFuZGwg
>>130155495Right, second to none in how ridiculous it was. I want to hear Wagner, not a fog horn. Also her diction is imprecise as fuck, especially for someone German born. Combine these facets and she's basically the Ur modern singer, only she was technically apt so she didn't wobble, but she has about as much ridiculous vibrato as a modern singer.
>>130155964>German born.Austrian>diction>goTT <--the hard T that Flagstad neglected Her pronunciation was superb and copied by non German speaking singers.>wobbleThis is where she mogs Nilsson and Flagstad and is an indication of her unmatched reserve and control.
now playingstart of JS Bach: Goldberg Variations, BWV 988https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tss2LNHP4K4&list=OLAK5uy_k6pt0hUWPnZwQa5LzUqDt_https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k6pt0hUWPnZwQa5LzUqDt_MHuz5zzDqpg>David Fray adds a landmark of the solo keyboard repertoire to his Bach discography: the Goldberg Variations. "The Goldberg Variations are a real test," he says. "They are the work of a lifetime, perhaps a work about life itself... a kind of rite of passage, a journey. Every element of human life is in them... When you play the theme again after the 30 variations, in it's original purity, it is as if you're at the end of your life, looking back over everything that has happened in the last hour-and-a-half. Few works give such a sense of eternity".
>>130155964Perfect pitch throughout, subtle legato with pleasant portamenti, and a middle as strong and audible as her upper. She sang from deep inside her words.Critics, notably Karl Loebl, were brutal, not on account of her voice, but due solely to her size. This is probably why she wasn't a commercial success like Nilsson.
>>130156279>, but due solely to her size."it's not over till the fat lady sings" wasn't a thing yet?
>>130156290Per 1950s standards, Nilsson was fat. By today's standards, she was average. GGP was obese by 50s and fat by today's standards.
>>130155964I'd like to give her precise diction
The Goatest piece
>>130156362Go for it.
>>130156397
>>130156394Dvorak Souls
>>130156394The real difficulty is finding the best recording because there's so many. karajan? Bernstein? Kubelik? Kertesz? Rowicki? Giulini? Dohnanyi? Solti? Fricsay? Belohlavek? Reiner? Ancerl? and more
>>130156604who cares just pick any of them
Why is the Solti Siegfried 2022 remaster suddenly unavailable on YouTube Music...? Guess I'll have to listen to the pre-remastered versions on this set, which YouTube Music fortunately has. Weird.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSihME19Wms&list=OLAK5uy_lrxVoi0c7LQ4phhZPufAh5yjXcYmwCJjs&index=227>>130152804Solti's Parsifal is one of the best and Kollo is on it too. What say you?
>>130156630>who cares just pick any of them:OYou don't mean that... nothing makes me more ill than meeting someone IRL who claims to also be into classical yet says they don't care about specific performances
>>130156604Could have stopped listing names after the K-God.
>>130144096>That's like not liking PreludesHow? Preludes are usually short, self-contained, abstract miniatures, while tone poems are large-scale works built around an explicit program/trying to represent something.
>>130150421Scriabin's late sonatas, especially 6 and 9; Vers la flamme; Prometheus: The Poem of Fire; Mysterium (unfinished).
>>130156221Wow another boring GVGreat
>>130157011Goldberg's Variations are a little boring though
