In the 1800s the most boundary-pushing, formally and harmonically complex music was the most popular music in the world. Today it's anything but. What happened?
>>130144199The exponential growth of industry and its resultant consumer culture has led to a more decadent society, simple as. A world full of dopamine junkies naturally aren't going to be interested in things that create a lasting sense of fulfillment and spiritual wellbeing.
>>130144199Jerking off your theoretical knowledge isn't always going to produce enjoyable music, just show your skills. Humans are always going to prefer am easily followable tune than sole guy jerking off on a piano.Simplicity always wins if it's executed well enough. The best type of music balances innovation and simple song writing. This is why minimalism reigns supreme.I like VVagner btw.
>>130144199After WW2, movies replaced theater as the dominant art form, so classical/orchestral music became the domain of composers like Hermann, Williams, Barry, Morricone, Goldsmith, and Zimmer. If movies had been a thing in the 1800s, Wagner would have been scoring them instead of operas.
>>130144199yeah i'm pretty sure all of europe's peasants were mad Wagner fans
>In the 1800s the most boundary-pushing, formally and harmonically complex music was the most popular music in the worldthis is a lie, the audience for classical music was small. the vast majority of people would not have been welcome in the great concert halls of orchestras, much less so in the private parlours and salons of chamber music, couldn’t have afforded it even if they were and in any case didn't live in the cultural centres in which such music was written and performed, much of the population at the time being still being dispersed and rural
>>130144467i hope you know that even the people who could agree with you and who might have began reflecting upon it would immediately disregard everything you said and roll their eyes as soon as they read the word"spiritual" in your post
>>130147942>>130147975Hitler was a massive Wagner fan when he was working odd jobs in Vienna and living in a homeless shelter. And Vienna's population was HUGE.
>>130144199Utilitarianism happened.
>>130144199Pretty sure various types of folk music were vastly more popular than classical in 19th century Europe
what was music like before recording became a thing?
>>130148419That was 20-30 years after Wagner died. And Hitler was one fairly abnormal person
>>130144199>the most boundary-pushingBro he wrote operas, they were already outdated in his own time
>>130144199Wagner was just what was famous, he wasn't actually the best. He was like the entry level stuff. It's be like saying metallica was the most boundary-pushing, formally and harmonically complex music
>>130150395Metallica was some of the most boundary pushing metal in the 1980s though
>>130150395Give me one (1) contemporary of Wagner who was more boundary pushing and complex than him.
>>130150675Yeah it was pretty good
>>130150358>>130150395you don't know what you're talking about
>>130150358They were 16 hour operas about dwarfs and stuff
>>130150754They must just assume that classical is like popular music where the best stuff isn't the most successful?
>>130144199>most popular music in the worldYou had to go to a concert hall to hear his music. The most popular music was probably stuff people would hear sung at church or drinking songs youd sing with the boys
>>130150851>He doesn't get drink with the boys and sing the entirety of das rheingoldCant believe I share a board with such plebs
>>130150358>most musically educated /mu/ poster
>>130150871my friend group is more partial to Wozzeck, personally
>>130149262folk music for the peasants, basically the most epic square dance country. also a lot revolved around social dances. for the educated classes, opera and classical performances. they'd likely also attend theatre that has music elements.
>>130144199The only people who were interested in music at all were genuine aristocrats or very intelligent and capable people
>>130150888Plebs. My friend group and me get drunk and sing the entirety of Karlheinz Stockhausen's Licht every weekend.
>>130144199Most people were listening to or playing music box slop
>>130144199>was the most popular music in the world.No. The most popular music was whatever was played in inns and brothels and fairs by and for the masses of the lower class, the folk music. what was popular with people who could read and write well was not popular with all
>>130145812your post applies to jacob collier a lot more than a smartypants like wagner
