Why are they so good at rock adjacent music? Pretty much all the best punk, metal, and avant-garde stuff in the world comes from here
>>130172875https://koorin.bandcamp.com/album/--3yes
>>130172875what is it about japanese rock that makes it sound so japanese
Japs make good shit but its completely silly to flat out say they make the best punk and metal, avante garde they certainly have a valuable place but so do germans, americans, and brits. How about, why aren't french more impressive in musical world stage? they should be right behind Brittain in number of good artists surely a language barrier isn't a soul barrier>>130172973i'd say this about foreign music in general, its strange how you can always hear that something is amiss
Neo Classical too not only Rock and Jazz. Also the reason is they learn theory, a lot. Go to any music school, music conservatory its all East Asians now. And sometimes white people but mostly East Asians. They get called the model minority for a reason they have refined tastes they even surpassed us for not giving up on classical and classical is the base for a lot of good music. They are better educated than people from European descent at this point.And we all only have ourselves to blame. Stop being lazy and study and practice. Thats the lesson here.
>>130173011>why aren't french more impressive in musical world stage?Magma is beyond sovlfvl, they invented a whole new subgenre by themselves. To be honest tho, they're the only band from France I'm fully familiar with.
>>130173590I know Magma has their own genre or whatever in my mind they'e a non german Krautrock band
>>130172875They are amazing for Hardcore Punk but average at other stuff
>>130174206>AverageAs far as I'm concerned the Japanese own Jazz now it belongs to them. I would say classical too but not yet, not solidly.
>>130174279Japs own classical, but it just happens all of their best classical compositions are wasted on bing bing wahoo vidya gaems.
better because Japan!!! >>130174279fuck are you on about zoomer…
>>130174328>but it just happens all of their best classical compositions are wasted on bing bing wahoo vidya gaems.Another w for video game music, "real" music fans cant help but cope and seethe
>>130172875I enjoy their pop more myself:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENcKvDZwjOUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afmEM2c0CAohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ7H4tZa8-k
Oh and here's some JP Cocteau Twins for you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPR0c2R2rSAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A1LbLcjQPg
>>130172875>creates beat rock>creates visual kei>starts the band boom of the late 80s and 90sbased
>>130172875other than psychedelia and noise, I don't think they're that far above other countries music-wise
>>130172875imo germany and usa have the best metal scene (for usa it's excluding all the mallcore)if japan does excel at anything nowadays it's popnever understood much of the appeal for x japan; their visual kei imitators are more interestingthey don't have that appealing voices either>>130174378vidya music is amazing but not a substitute for classical
>>130174279to me: white & black together jazz > jap jazz > black jazz > white jazz
>>130176587speaking of mallcore, i'd say japanese mallcore is more interesting and less cringe than english-speaking mallcore, but their "true" metal scene is lacking in sovllove versailles though
>>130174336Jakshitter Crucifixion>fuck are yout. zoomer
>>130176604japanese jazz clears easy
>>130174539>creates Trance o algowww.youtube.com/watch?v=BrBAVAaREd8
>>130177837second rate Kraftwerk
>>130178757Wrong opinion but k
>>130172875I know you're fishing for (You)s but the reason why Japan has/had such a great music scene was because for like 30-40 years they had the second highest (and sometimes first highest) amount of music CDs produced in the world, neck and neck behind America and surpassing Germany and the UK in terms of raw quantity.Clearly, a country that produces so much music would produce so much notable music.There's no deeper answer than that. It's for the same reason people don't fucking gush about Polish music or Egyptian music, because Poland and Egypt don't output large sums of music.
>>130176587>never understood much of the appeal for x japanX Japan's first two albums (and early demos) are actually pretty notable in the history of power metal since they were just as innovative and on the forefront of as American and German power metal bands were in the 80s, and if you saw them live they played with a level of expertise that really wasn't seen in power/glam metal at the time and was more common in prog rock.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45VCgd36wmsX Japan after their second album turns into a glorified mom-rock band though, their success went to their heads and they've released nothing but power ballads and pop-rock with heavy riffs.
>>130176587>>130178898As a related tangent, one of the coolest things about Jap power metal in the 80s and 90s was their focus on bass guitars, something completely absent/irrelevant in the American or European versions of the genre.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9LaytkRrYs
>>130172875>materially prosperous>high iq>no influential group intent on convincing the next generation that liking crap is hipno other country currently boasts this combination. maybe increasingly china (some good stuff has been coming from there lately)
No, but really, X Japan is one of those bands that only really click when you see them play live.They have more energy here than almost any other live performance of a rock bands I've ever seenhttps://files.catbox.moe/1laem9.mp4
>>130179055Here's an actual working link.https://litter.catbox.moe/kgrtd0ankuute64d.mp4
There is this channel that covers Japanese Rock and adjacent music:https://www.youtube.com/@KataConor/videos
>>130172875lol
japs accidentally invented extreme metal, but people aren't ready to have that discussion yethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep_NAa2ttM8
>>130179572https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twFu0ZABwvk
The only time Japanese rock was actually truly influential on a global scale was its hardcore punk movement and adjacent styles in the 80s.it's pretty damning when Napalm Death, considered the pioneer of grindcore in the UK, outright said grindcore wouldn't exist without the Japanese proto-grind scene.And then you had John Zorn in America, who only pivoted from jazz to his crazy hardcore avant-garde jazz punk/metal after hearing Ruins and similar 80s Japanese "brutal prog" bands
>>130172875>>130172973>>130173011I've been listening to rock music my entire life but I've never listened to Japanese rock music, not even once. Not deliberately, but I've just never come across it.I have listened to rock music from these countries though>US>UK>Germany>France>Australia>Canada>Sweden>Finland>Netherlands>Ireland>BrazilAnd probably some others
>>130179655>Ruins and similar 80s Japanese "brutal prog" bandsWhat bands?
Even politicians like their rock music.The current PM is an X Japan fan but I also remember the PM during the late 90s or early 00s was also a fan and had Yoshiki perform on a formal event for him.Yoshiki also got to touch the england Queen when she was still alive (with his scarf)
>>130179572>>130179609technically venom did but gism took it in a newer levelanother extreme example released from the same year is poison's sons of evil (poison from germany, not the hair band):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r_PFpCemgs&list=RD7r_PFpCemgs&start_radio=1
>>130178898>>130178928i'll give x japan credit for having that one cool performance along with the crowd with their x songthey're definitely one of those bands that i find more interesting live but not as much studio-wise
>>130178928quite a good amount of classic uspm and helloween are also pretty bass-focusedi do like japanese power metal for their bass
>>130183222wait, gism was from 1983we often understate the influence of punk/hardcore on metal:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ9sK7am3j0
>>130183222I think GISM were the first group to have consistent death growls that lasted entire song lengths, and even though they were generally associated with the punk scene, Randy Uchida's guitar work was pure NWOBHM worship.
Still can't believe they are going to disband
Japanese music started going to shit once the "J-Rock" sound started to become more prominent in their music.
>>130182891listen to their Jazz Fusion instead Casiopea now. Its entry level and good.
thought on unison square garden disbanding?
>>130172875Because they have so much American influence but you haven't overheard their 80s music for 50 years.
“Don’t call Japanese hardcore japcore” - Seth Putnam
I'm interested in seeing what Japanese music has to offer. What are you favourite albums from Japan, anons?
>>130172875They're not. Everything from there is boring and sovlless
>>130187706Not an argument
I love Japan period
>>130187695Just off the dome >Yura Yura Teikoku if you're into rock/garage rockListen to Yura Yura Teikoku 3 (2001) for a more raw sound or Hollow Me (2007) for a more softer, mature sound>Tatsuro Yamashita if you're into straight pop with strong melodyListen to Ride on Time (1980) For You (1982), Boku no naka no shounen (1988) + his band Sugar Babe is kino>Kirinji for poppish but still pretty technical, sort of like Steely Dan in respectsListen to 3 (2000), kind of a city pop influenced thing but absolutely brilliant, perfect album arc to it, listen more than once to really get it >Betcover!! for sort of indie/art rockI like his earlier stuff more like thunderbolt chainsaw (2018) 中学生 (2019) and 時間 (2021), he is a great songwriter, you can tell he knows how to structure songs very well, his lyrics are pretty unique too>Fishmans for dub influenced psychedelia, a /mu/core klassici like all their albums but listen to kuuchuu camp (1996) for a more summery mood and uchu nippon setagaya (1997) for a more wintery mood, long season (1996) is like a japanese version of echoes by pink floyd>For rap, uh listen to Rip Slyme or m-flo or something, their big hits are petty goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq9dl6hw_yk>For a sort of modern rock/electronica fusion listen to SakanactionGo to the future (2007) is pretty good but DocuemntaLy (2011) is great, very good songwriting and album arc too, this one has grown on me a lot this past year
>>130188182name a rock subgenre invented by the japanese
