Dances from Terpsichore Editionhttps://youtu.be/oml7g0cyXpw&list=PLc8NM9abK55EAX5a_L1frjRoilACRrET-This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130171958
>While Chopin held Field in high respect and considered him one of his primary influences, Field had a rather negative view of Chopin's work. Upon meeting Chopin and hearing his nocturnes in 1832, Field is said to have described the composer as a "sickroom talent".Chopinsisters...
>>130205034Classic anxiety of influence, inferiority complex situation.
>>130205034They were contemporaries? Chopin sounds like the name of a guy born 200 years ago while John Field sounds like the name of a guy born 100 years ago.
>>130205034>1832Op 9 was already released. That didnt age well.
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Xkv1TGx9Q&list=OLAK5uy_muLAIcBhZkD2jI_VyXLBtNJm0WpqEEv_4&index=15
>tfw no Eva Marton Brunnhilde gfwhy livehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb4BzWASknM&list=OLAK5uy_n3kgVADojyeAY7-h7BoizguILrBl8YIM4&index=5
>>130205153>To my>bestest Home>/classical/>Eva Martonam I reading that autograph correctly??
>>130205075>this piece of shit has already released
If you don't likehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmAiurvZkAM&list=OLAK5uy_nsOgwA3t1EyYo_2ApwUSd2qGfVN59xhDw&index=2any of the Op. 9 Nocturnes,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfqVqPsascs&list=OLAK5uy_nsOgwA3t1EyYo_2ApwUSd2qGfVN59xhDw&index=2you are literally not humanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgc3OcHcsBw&list=OLAK5uy_nsOgwA3t1EyYo_2ApwUSd2qGfVN59xhDw&index=3
>>130205199>it's shit cause it's popular Grow up.
>>130205221it's shit because it's Romantic
>>130205373romance is good for the soul, anon~
I like this Debussy piece. Sounds very dramatic and warlike.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1zS8DnOu9o
>>130205373have sex
>>130205425yeah it's great, same with that recording/CD
Stravinskyhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KdxC2arC388&list=RDKdxC2arC388&start_radio=1&pp=ygUeVGhlIGZpcmViaXJkIHNpbW9uIHJhdHRsZSAxOTg3oAcB
>>130205546'set a new standard' huhI've always liked Rattle and that recording but it never blew me away. Guess I'll have to try it again
>>130205465i do, unlike the incel whiny Romantics
>>130205672Absolutely based for calling out neurotic romanticels, if only they Haydnmaxxed and joymaxxed, they would be sexhavers just like us.
>>130205579I assume it was chosen because it is a full recording of the entire 1910 ballet whereas most recordings are of the suites which condense and remove a lot of material so the Rattle/ Birmingham recording is how it would sound in 1910 as intended.My opinion on Stravinsky is that he is okay but I am not that in to him. I don’t like him that much but he’s okay.
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now playingstart of Brahms: Symphony No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 68https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee5jkeMorME&list=OLAK5uy_kPMR_wucgwoSjdWrkYq51JStZzQgbeo_Q&index=2start of Brahms: Symphony No. 2 in D Major, Op. 73https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9IBjFZTnUI&list=OLAK5uy_kPMR_wucgwoSjdWrkYq51JStZzQgbeo_Q&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kPMR_wucgwoSjdWrkYq51JStZzQgbeo_Q>William Steinberg was recognized as one of the world's greatest interpreters of the Brahms Symphonies and his recordings for the COMMAND label have been acclaimed by critics as among the finest recorded interpretations of these great works. To mark the 125 years since the death of Johannes Brahms (April 3, 2022), Deutsche Grammophon releases for the first time on CD these great performances of the four Brahms Symphonies with the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra remastered from the original tapes.I've listened to many, many Brahms cycles. I've been meaning to get to around to this one for a while, so let's finally do it. I know some anons here really adore Steinberg.
Do any other composers have the same bounce and rhythm as Stravinsky? I know Bartok, Janacek, Messiaen, Tailleferre, and Poulenc, but I want a 1st rate 2nd rate Stravinsky if that makes sense. Others I've listened from the same era sound too niggery or they embrace the incel schizo rhythms of serialism.
This is a "supermarket aesthetic"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6oTzAKk8iIHe's got a point. It's literally about making sandwiches. I can envision trying samples of sandwiches whilst listening to this
>>130206817Thanks for sharing that. It's simultaneously delightful and revolting. Oh the duality of postmodern American art.Guess it's time to finally dive into post-1950s opera.
hmm do I want to listen to Haitink's or Thielemann's Meistersinger tonight...Haitinkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN44565WSvA&list=OLAK5uy_kdj5u_UdrL8Mkt3ZuXX5Xfn7znkNkqHXc&index=8Thielemannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwXNWJKXnGc&list=OLAK5uy_kxOCUq9j-rfm06TZBWB4LSJWE5l9i1rbo&index=7Thoughts?
>>130206755Maybe Thomas Ades?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3271RinJ3cchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7p7Br6Qr-AAnd obviously you've tried Gershwin.I feel like there's one more American composer on the tip-of-my-tongue that's in the vein of what you're looking for, but maybe not.
favorite recording of Beethoven's Tempest sonata?
>>130207925Arrauhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyU2m0wmNPw&list=OLAK5uy_njJyrk4r6CvMggwSZn6LcRHglsZiNPyPM&index=4or Kempffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMuycoiiiFs&list=OLAK5uy_lowJ7A-_OwhKXbvLXumHGiYFPcPSHR-xo&index=58My view is the 16th, 17th, 18th, and 19th are intrinsically aggressive, jaunty pieces, so are best performed when tempered down a bit, whether with the meditative patience of Arrau or the measured poetry of Kempff.if you want a newer set, try Levithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti-G6p32LW4&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=58On a side note, as much as I enjoy helping people by giving recording recommendations on here, I hate doing it for Beethoven's piano sonatas, because every time I answer, I feel like giving ten different answers lol. I don't wanna leave anyone out. These three I'd be happy to live with forever though.
>>130205373>It's shit because [some arbitary label that means nothing]Low IQ Post.
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>>130208396awww :33i found that cat and took her home, pic is me petting them
Nothin' better than falling asleep to Bach's Goldberg Variations, which is what its composition was originally intended for.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seVhYzZ3VTA&list=OLAK5uy_k1MeXvJCuzGuEraaLOiziGw_zQWt_xKDU&index=1
>>130201211I think we're talking past each other a little at this point. You're now talking more about recording/performance balance and sonority, while my criticism is fundamentally structural/compositional. Even in a perfectly balanced recording, I still hear the piano as overwhelmingly dominant in terms of rhetoric and function, with the orchestra usually serving a more supportive role than I personally prefer in a concerto.So I don't think this really comes down to bad recordings for me. We just seem to have very different ideals regarding what counts as integration and balance in this kind of music.
On hearing the Meistersinger I think the Wagnerian poison has entered my soul
>>130208476Awful performance
rec me something you like from Palestrina
>>130209935His cock.
>>130209935His Stabat Mater settinghttps://youtu.be/Gz9o-wF7RoU
>>130209658racist
>>130209935I don't like purely vocal music.
>>130211540How about piano transcriptions?
>>130211540why are you stupid?
>>130208375>Romantic is an arbitrary label that means nothingtalk about a dilettante, Jesus Christ
>>130207925Ciccoloni
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8dDSP6QQmM
>>130211096I'm Chinese
>>130212088Yunchan Lim is Korean.
>>130212100Same shit.
>>130212501>Mozart Cimmediately disregarded and won't check the rest
>>130212501none of the composers available on this tier list maker are D worthyalso why the fuck aren't Mahler and Bruckner in there
Shopin with Glen Gouldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAHE8PTR8tE&list=RDNAHE8PTR8tE&start_radio=1
>>130212501Horrific. Irredeemable. Nonsensical. Kys.
>>130212501Awesome. Understandable. Agreeable. Live forever.
>>130212986After Szell's Brahms 2 PC, this is the most unforgivably atrocious recording ever made by anyone, period. I could play the 3rd sonata better than him. A random youtube performance is infinitely better than him.
>>130212986Gould Sama should stick to Schoenberg and Bach...
>>130214324>I could play the 3rd sonata better than him.I doubt it
>>130214415I would just model my performance after Cortot's, play it twice as slow and likely make bunch of mistakes, but it would still turn out better than what Ghoul did to this sonata
They might not be particularly idiomatic, relative to the timbral quality and character of most other cycles, but in terms of pure beauty, I really like the voices of Siegmund (Reiner Goldberg) and Sieglinde (Cheryl Studer) in Haitink's Ring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBWnEXGYdnQ&list=OLAK5uy_mgVZx2emE64cz4hUoJWVXy_WbivM7WWZ8&index=3longerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDmH745Zjrk&list=OLAK5uy_mgVZx2emE64cz4hUoJWVXy_WbivM7WWZ8&index=2Then again I am a massive Cheryl Studer fan. Such an angelic voice!
They say once you turn 50, Haitink's Bruckner automatically starts sounding good to your ears.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHHyY520Wos&list=OLAK5uy_mUDIyNCnWGqcssWNwu6H4KNK-MFavMPDc&index=2
GG Debussyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFZ_OW_WZZ8&list=RDSFZ_OW_WZZ8&start_radio=1
>ywn here GG speedrun the Nocturnes
>>130214627And why is that?
Mozart sonata 5 opening GG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqliymfKiuc&list=PLDHp-dZKD6X3XAucgM42RdVh9O_GuhITR&index=15
>>130214765Why, the dull, stodgy, geriatric conducting style. Once you become geriatric yourself, they become sublime.
>>130214777>Image Kek
>>130214815Isn't more Celibidache style
>>130214979Celibidache is more once you turn 30 and become mature enough to appreciate him, he realize how genuinely sublime they always were.So in a sense, similar.
>>130215004Idk, lots of people hate Celibidache and they're unlikely to change their minds about it.
GODowskyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0nlJXooIVc
>>130215029Pretty sure Passacaglia is what they made me at the Italian restaurant last week. I kid. Lovely piece. 20th century solo piano music has a unique quality that I've always loved, a dissonance, a tonal complexity, an anxiety to match the human condition of our modern age.>Perhaps it's true that Vladimir Horowitz claimed Leopold Godowsky's 1928 Passacaglia "impossible to play."
>>130215027He's certainly very polarizing. Love-him-or-hate-him, and as someone who loves him, even his less popular recordings, I can totally understand why someone would hate him.
I don't get Wagner, what does he have against "Walkers" and why do they have to "Die"?
>>130208396It's impossible to not feel this picture and its sister in the comfiest depths of one's soul. It's too powerful, and must be posted in moderation.
>>130215208Because they will bite ya.
Daniel Variations: II. My name is Daniel Pearl (I'm a Jewish American from Encino, California)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTYDuVBQk4E&list=RDzTYDuVBQk4E&start_radio=1what a title!
>>130214979Celibidache is slow for sure, but I wouldn't really call his Bruckner geriatric or dull. He has, probably, the best sense of balance for Bruckner out of all the conductors out there. It really is a shame that he was such a slow conductor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESTRHqHDue4I don't think I've heard the 6th's finale more brilliantly articulated insofar as the balances/dynamics are concerned. And, at least for a Celi recording, it isn't too slow either.
>>130215235I agree, it is for special occasions
>>130214545Goldberg is good and Studer is pretty great
>>130214324I have repeatedly said the average Anon here could play one particular piece better than Gould if they focused on it, so I believe you.
Gould would be a /classical/poster. Same level of autism
>>130216736He would get a kick out of the wagner memes
>>130216736>>130216829https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TbYMO0nK1UHe was also a huge shitposter
>>130216895>German silence which is organic as opposed to French silence which is ornamentalI like that line
>>130205579I relistened to the Firebird just now and I have come to the conclusion i dont like Stravinsky. It’s literally the Firetruck meme. Loud and brash brass/ trumpets/ winds screeching over and over. Ugh
>>130216895You've got to love this guy
>>130216926The Firebird suite is good but the actual Firebird isn't
>>130205425Kinda cheesy
>>130216969The frenzied and fast paced part roughly 34 minutes in to around 40 minutes is my favorite part.>>130217134You don’t know what you’re talking about. I love that one.
>>130216895ninety percent of the comments Gould made about music were shitposts.
>>130216895Kino.Also >Ghoul Godfather interpretation Nice
>>130216934no you don't
>>130215569>Daniel Variations was commissioned by Daniel's father, Judea Pearl and the Daniel Pearl Foundation, along with the Barbican Centre, where it received its premiere in 2006 as part of the composer's 70th birthday retrospective.You could pay Reich to compose you a piece in your name too, anon! Or we could pool our resources to get him to compose a piece named after /classical/Anyway, while it sounds like some RYM indie pop, the movement you posted is actually kinda neat. I don't know if I'd listen to it in my own time, but if I saw it live, I'd enjoy it.
>>130215579Yeah his 6th is easily in my highest tier of performances. Great choice.
While I don't think it sounds better in English, one nice perk of the Goodall Ring is seeing the movement names in English. Yes I know this makes me a pleb but fuck it, it's easier to remember this way!That aside, Goodall's tempo is intriguing and kinda refreshing at first, but it wears down on the listener after a while. In small bursts, it can be alright. For example, check out this 15 minute(!!) ending to Siegfried.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu2vfc0ZG6Y&list=OLAK5uy_mdYVkaRn4MBlqY1QfyT8-y-Td23Q73Ibw&index=51Instead of titled, "Ewig War Ich, Ewig Bin Ich", it's "Oh! I cared always"
>>130217913If only I could stand opera I could really do with killing 16 hours today
>>130218154I already told you, just play it in the background while you cook and read on your phone.
>>130218154You could always start with an orchestral version first.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIn6NLJbkk0&list=OLAK5uy_mbFipsjlRWrNGtoCgM3rPVLvpNIr5Dbps&index=1
Giulini!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmSC4cTOltU&list=OLAK5uy_nUoChH6QKRNkIh6OVU8S-sP_saNfxZgwo&index=1
>>130217913I hate the translation he uses. I'm actually working on what I believe to be a better translation of the Ring on my free time
>>130218501How many translations are out there, anyway? Those online sites with collections of opera libretti never list the translator.
>>130218501ngl I still can almost never understand what they're singing about even in Goodall's English set. At most, during certain famous or favorite vocal parts, I noticed it didn't quite sound right. So while I think an English Ring is cool for those who do pay close attention, it doesn't move the needle for me, I primarily listened for Goodall's unique conducting, and the singers are pretty good too. Oh and the orchestra seems even notch louder than the singing, which I thought was a nice change of pace, which paired with Goodall stretching out the orchestral playing, results in some hearing the whole thing in a new light. It's a worthwhile listen for sure.
The more I think about and listen to Beethoven's piano sonatas, the more I am impressed with their genius.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYDa-fl85JE&list=OLAK5uy_lx60QvIaU6orQRORgzptS0AGzjg5whbDE&index=36I mean, come on! How did he do it, anons!?
>>130215290Die, Walkure, Die!
>>130218781Sometimes they sound forced and it gets on my nerves. The themes don't expand melodically, instead they serve other purposes.
>>130218825Are you telling me music can serve other purposes other than sound pretty and melodic?! Say it ain't so!
It's a shame recorded media didn't exist in the past, else we'd have awesome historical anecdotes like,>It is said Nietzsche listened to Beethoven's Ninth Symphony over ten thousand times in his life, rotating between the acclaimed performances by Karajan, Furtwangler, and Fricsay.or>Evidence suggests while Rachmaninoff composed his first piano concerto, he had Liszt's Piano Sonata in B minor playing on repeat for the entire year.
>>130218933Proust used to get Wagner piped into his bedroom from the Paris Opera through his telephone using a service called the théâtrophone.
One more,>Recently discovered evidence found in the archives of the Vatican indicates Bruckner listened to Wagner's Ring cycle everyday of the year except for one -- on Christmas, he listened to Bach's St Matthew Passion (performed by Jochum).
Proust used to get Wagner piped
>>130218957For real? That's awesome.
>Recently discovered evidence, found in the home of disgraced Hollywood director Roman Polanski, suggests Heinrich Himmler, the primary architect of the Nazi industrial death camp complex, listened to Mozart's Don Giovanni, Figaro, and The Magic Flute as he drew up the blueprints for the gas chambers. This has spurred recent debate in academic circles as to whether Mozart ought to be cancelled and banished from live performance altogether.oh no :(
>>130218957What?
>>130218984based zoomer who cannot comprehend a world pre-computers
>>130218984What's confusing? The théâtrophone was a service that played opera and theatre performances over telephone lines and Proust used it to listen to Wagner in bed. He's actually mentioned in the Wikipedia article.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A9%C3%A2trophone>French writer Marcel Proust was a keen follower of théâtrophone, as evidenced by his correspondence. He subscribed to the service in 1911.
>>130218993>listening to Wagner while laying in bedhe's just like me frfr
[Tannhauser theme plays softly over the théâtrophone]https://files.catbox.moe/3btg29.flac
>>130218957Based.
thoughts?
>>130218993They should send out anons to concerts and get them to phone /classical/ and transmit the concert that way
>>130219192In-between good and great. 7.5/10, 8/10 when I'm really in the mood for Scherbakov's comfy piano tone. Definitely worth a listen but I doubt you'll ever return to it.
SIEGLINDEGast, wer du bist, wüsst' ich gern.SIEGMUNDFriedmund darf ich nicht heissen;Frohwalt möcht' ich wohl sein:doch Wehwalt musst ich mich nennen.Wolfe, der war mein Vater;zu zwei kam ich zur Welt,eine Zwillingsschwester und ich.Früh schwanden mir Mutter und Maid.Die mich gebar und die mit mir sie barg,kaum hab' ich je sie gekannt.Wehrlich und stark war Wolfe;der Feinde wuchsen ihm viel.Zum Jagen zog mit dem Jungen der Alte:Von Hetze und Harst einst kehrten wir heim:da lag das Wolfsnest leer.Zu Schutt gebrannt der prangende Saal,zum Stumpf der Eiche blühender Stamm;erschlagen der Mutter mutiger Leib,verschwunden in Gluten der Schwester Spur:uns schuf die herbe Notder Neidinge harte Schar.Geächtet floh der Alte mit mir;lange Jahre lebte der Jungemit Wolfe im wilden Wald:manche Jagd ward auf sie gemacht;doch mutig wehrte das Wolfspaar sich.>H. & F. Corder (probably)SIEGLINDEGuest, who thou art I would glean.SIEGMUND“Peaceful” may I not call me;“Joyful” would I had been;But “Woeful” must be my title,“Wolfing,” he was my father;As twins entered the worldMy tender sister and I.Full soon I lost mother and maid;The parent fond and the playfellow fair,Nay, they have scarcely been known.Warlike and strong was Wolfing.And foes he won not a few.Through forest fared we in forage together;When home from the hunt one even we hied,The Wolfing’s nest lay waste.To cinders burnt the building so strong,To stumps the oak trees’ blossoming stem,And slaughter’d the mother motionless lay;No trace of my sister the cinders showed.This shameful deed we knew the Neidings had done, for sure.Then, friendless, fled my father with me.Lapsed my youth while living for years with Wolfing in woodlands wild;Onsets yet against us were aimed,But ever warded the wolves themselves.
>>130219248>Alfred ForemanSIEGLINDEGuest, of thy nameI gladly would know.SIEGMUNDFriedmund I cannot be called;Frohwalt would that I were;but to Wehwalt only I answer.Wolfe my father was;at once into the worldawoke a sister and I;soon missed Iboth mother and maid;who brought me forth—and who fellowed my birth;barely I knew them by name.Warlike and strong was Wolfe;his foes unstinted and fierce.Once forth to huntmy father I followed;from hurry and heatwhen homeward he led,left we beheld the lair;to dust was burntthe lordly abode,to a stump the oak'sunwithering stem,before us the mothermanfully fall'n,and smothered in cindersthe sister's trace;—the Neidings' treacherous bandhad dealt us the deadly blow.Beset we fled—the father and son;years now lurkedthe life of the younglingwith Wolfe in wild and wood;hunt and snarewere set for their heels;but well we warded them—wolf and whelp.>Frederick JamesonSIEGLINDEGuest, who thou artI would know.SIEGMUNDFriedmund may I not call me;Frohwalt, would that I were:but Wehwalt — so must I name me.Wolfe, I called my father;alone was I not born;for a sister twinned with me.Soon lost were bothmother and maid;her who me bore,her who with me was born,scarce have I ever beheld.Warlike and strong was Wolfe;and foes full many he found.A hunting oftwent the son with the father;once, worn from the chase,we came to our home:there lay the wolfs nest waste.To ashes burntthe goodly abode,to dust the oak-tree'sbranching stem;struck dead was the mother'svalourous form,and lost in the ruinsthe sister's trace;the Neidings' cruel hosthad dealt us this deadly blow.Unfriended fledmy father with me;many yearsthe stripling lived onwith Wolfe in woodlands wild:oft besetwere we by our foes;but bravely battledthe Wolf-pair still.
>>130219277>Stewart RobbSIEGLINDEGuest, I would learnwho you are.SIEGMUND"Peaceful” no one should name me;“Joyful”—would that I were!Just let me call myself “Woe-king”!Wolfe—he was my father.I came one of a pair.We were twins, my sister and I.Both did I lose,mother and maid,she who gave birth,and my partner in birth.Short was the time they were mine.Wolfe was strong and stalwart,but foes were many and fierce.The father faredto the hunt with the youngster.One time we returnedall tired from the hunt,and found our lair laid waste.Our lordly hallwas ruined by fire,our oak once blooming,now was a stump.My mother lay murdered,brave-hearted soul!All trace of my sisterwas lost in wrack.The Neidings’ cruel bandwere cause of this bitter deed.My father fled,an outcast with me.Years and years theyoungster did live withhis father within the wild.Many huntswere made for the two,but still the wolf-pairwithstood their foes.>Margaret ArmourSIEGLINDEGladly I'd knowWho thou art.SIEGMUNDNot for me the name Friedmund;Frohwalt fain were I called,But forced was I to be Wehwalt.Wolfe they called my father;And I am one of twins:With a sister twin I was born.Soon lost wereBoth mother and maid ;I hardly knewHer who gave me my life,Nor her with whom I was born.Warlike and strong was Wolfe,And never wanting for foes.A-hunting oftWent the son with the father.One day we returnedOutworn with the chaseAnd found the wolf's nest robbed.The brave abodeTo ashes was burnt,Consumed to dustThe flourishing oak,And dead was the mother,Dauntless but slain.No trace of the sisterWas ever found:The Neidungs' heartless hordeHad dealt us this bitter blow.My father fled,An outlaw with me;And the youthLived wild in the forestWith Wolfe for many years.Sore beset and harried were they,But boldly battled the pair of wolves.
>>130219299>Dan McGlaunSIEGLINDE: Yes, I'd like very much to know who you are.SIEGMUND: Peace and happiness aren't any part of my name; only sadnessand pain - that's what you can call me, "Sadness and Pain". My father'sname was "Wolf". I also had a twin sister, but she and my mother wereviolently taken away from me at birth. Wolf was very strong, and loved tofight, so a lot of people came to be his enemies. One day, I was outhunting with him. It was a long, tiring day, but we finally came backhome - only to find everything had been destroyed. Our great room wasburned to the ground, our magnificent oak tree was cut down to a stump,my mother's mutilated body was dumped in the yard, and my sister - wenever found her. She could have died in the fire, or been carried off - Idon't know. I do know that the criminals who did this chased my fatherand me for a long time, meaning to kill us, too. We escaped from themevery time, though, and spent years together, wandering in the forest.Because of that, many people still call me "Wolf-cub". That's my story.
stfu
>>130219316>John DeathridgeSIEGLINDEGuest, I’d like to knowwho you are.SIEGMUNDI cannot be Protector of Peace;I wish I were Ruled by Happiness:but Ruled by Sorrow I must be called.Wolf, he was my father;I came into the world a twin,a twin sister, and I.Mother and girlwere soon lost to me;the woman who bore me,and the girl she sheltered with me,I scarcely ever knew either. –Wolf was valiant and strong;his enemies grew to be many.The old mantook the boy hunting:one day we returnedfrom the thrill of the chaseto find Wolf’s lair empty.The fine hallhad been burnt to ashes,the oak-tree’s healthy trunkturned into a stump;my mother was slain,her fine body beaten to death;all signs of my sisterhad vanished in the flames.Our bitter catastrophe was the workof the Neidings’ hard-bitten army.Outlawed, the old manfled with me,for many long yearsthe young boy livedwith Wolf in the wild forest:many a huntfor them was launched;but the wolf pairbravely resisted.>Stewart SpencerSIEGLINDEGuest, who you areI'd gladly know.SIEGMUNDFriedmund I may not call myself;Frohwalt fain would I be:but Wehwalt I must name myself.Wolfe was my father;as one of twain I came into the world,a twin-born sister and I.Mother and maidsoon disappeared;she who bore me,and she whom she carried with me –I scarcely ever knew them.Stout-hearted and strongmany foes he made.With the boythe old man used to go hunting;from chase and encounter41they came home one day:the wolf’s lair lay deserted;burned to ashesthe splendent hall,the oak-tree’s sturdytrunk a stump;murdered laymy valiant mother,all trace of my sisterlost in the embers: –he Neidings’ hard-hearted hosthad wrought us this bitter distress.Outlawed, the old manfled with me;deep in the wildwoodthe youngster livedwith Wolfe for many a year:many’s the time;they were hunted down;but wolf and whelpwould put up a stout defence.
>>130219347I could not find Andrew Porter's and Frederick Paul Walter's translations online.
>>130219248>>130219277>>130219299>>130219316>>130219347cool, thanks. can you at least tell us what to think then?
>tfw never become a CEO of a Fortune 500 so I can make my ten thousand employee corporation listen to Messiaen while at work or get firedwhy live
>>130219768Based.
It’s crazy that there’s so many great composers whose last names starts with B: Boulez, Earl Browne, Milton Babbitt, Amy Beach, Arnold Bax, Benjamin Britten, Frank Bridge
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SrREuzKer0&list=OLAK5uy_nZVmkTJcPFdCdmTV4q1JkyfPK3-32Iq_A&index=26
>>130219768sick fucks like you need to be locked up.
>>130220494I can only name 3 good B's: Bruckner, Berg and Brahms.
>>130220724Gunnar Berg is a classic
>>130220494Berlioz!
don't sleep on Beethoven's Bagatelleshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqWOsgW15bQ
What do you think of Frederick the Great?
>conducts the greatest recording of Wagner's Ring>has 0 (zero!) other noteworthy recordings in his careerwhat the FUCK was his problem???
>>130221293I will, because these days I rarely even listen to his sonatas.
These are actually cool AFhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd3kJGPo1r0>>130215121>20th century solo piano music has a unique quality that I've always lovedIts the best for me, Scriabin, Barber, Prokofiev, Messiaen, Crumb, Vine, Roslavets, Feinberg, Krenek, Obukhov... Its music that refuses to let you passively enjoy it in the background and demands you to acknowledge and chew on it before being able to swallow.
savage
>>130221883genuinely schizophrenic sounding review
>>130221883I'm still gonna find out firsthand thoughhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqm24fymaHQ&list=OLAK5uy_kxOCUq9j-rfm06TZBWB4LSJWE5l9i1rbo&index=1>>130221939I've read probably thousands of Amazon community reviews on classical recordings at this point, and no joke, without a doubt the ones on Wagner recordings have by far the highest rate of being written in an eccentric, creative, manic style.
>listen to Mahler 8>zone out through most of the 1st movement>the 2nd movement is interesting at first but after the tenor solo I zone out again until the end which sounds pretty coolHow do I learn to appreciate this thing? I just "get" Mahler's other symphonies, but this one in particular is nigh incomprehensible.
>>130222058Really? I found it very immediate compared to some of his other symphonies. But then I listened to it for the first time shortly after I had finished reading Faust and was excited to hear the setting. Maybe try reading along with the text for the second movement, but if you're not swept along in the energy of the first movement I don't know how to help you.
>>130205013Praetorius is one of the non talked about GOATs. Though he was Protestant, he was like the last gasp of music as participation rather than music as drama or mere emotion.>>130205373Kek. Disagree with opinion, empathize with reasoning.>>130205951>HaydnmaxxingNGMI until you learn to Josquinmaxx>>130206883Only Adams is worth a damn thing.>>130209935Basic, but Missa Papae Marcelli, in particular the Kyrie. Oxford Camerata recording ofc.
>>130205013>>130222219>early music that's not late baroque
>>130222289ngmi
