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I like ILLIT and LSF but I cannot support the sloppification of music

Swim - 2:39
Redred - 2:43
You, You - 2:45
Celebration - 2:33
It's Me - 2:18
Pinky Up - 2:11

Notice a trend among HYBE recent releases? They are all below 3 minutes.
Why? Because it is for maximum profitability at the cost of artistic vision.
It's Me is ~20% more profitable than Celebration if the same amount of people listened to the songs the same amount of duration. Simply because it is around 30 seconds shorter.
This is slop.
It is like all the executives gathered in a room and tried to manufactured the ultimate slop to feed the masses.
If HYBE could make a song sub 2 minutes to sell to you, they would.
Disgusting.

why is nmixx just allowed to fart and shit all over the place and call it music?

natty must smell like heaven after working the streets all day during monsoon season

newjeans comeback success will depend on how plump & juicy minji's ass is. now that danny is out, minji is the only fuckable member left.
it's all up to her now

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wow

>>130220806
you posted this already

meanwhile sm only producing 3:00+ songs, then only company that matters.

>>130220810
most intelligent coomer

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>>130220584

>>130220780
Short songs are better and have more replayability, simple as.
If you want long songs go listen to classical music exclusively.
No disgusting bridges either.

>try to enjoy a jiwoo fancam
>y**n enters the screen
i hope somebody gets fired for this

>>130220806
>It's Me - 2:18
You and I..

>le song is...shorter than le 3 minutes?!?!
>THIS IS HECKIN SLOP O ALGO

newjeans ruined kpop with 2 min slop songs

hybe shill melty

>>130220823
Nice try HYBE

>>130220830
yes
there is no quality in songs that are 2 minutes
they never have time to go anywhere

>>130220807
I've been asking this question for years now.

what if itzy releases soty?

>>130220830
Nooooooo I don't like it therefore it's bad!!!

my holy trinity: kya, ian, iroha

simple as

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ib3hV9iyqsE

Just 123 secs long, written by 10 people
Hybe is the devil

>>130220831
most beautiful girl in the world

i use kpop songs to help me boil eggs

>>130220830
1 or 2 songs being shorter than 3 minutes is fine. All recent releases being shorter than 3 minutes is a strategy based around streaming profits.

zoomers can't listen for more than 30 seconds because they have to scroll asap

>>130220845
I hope not
their disbandment is the only chance I have to marry squid

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i don't know why he is singling out recent hybe singles when it's obvious which group started the 2 minute tiktok song trend the whole industry is now forced to follow

>>130220848
why does the number of credited songwriters affect your enjoyment of a song whatsoever

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Soulie

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>>130220849

pretty funny that illit flopped yet again. turns out they are just too ugly to succeed.

>>130220856
2 minute songs aren't for tiktok trend.
2 minute songs are for streaming profits.
A 2 minute song is 33% more profitable than 3 minute song.

>>130220841
>there are no good books shorter than 300 pages
>there are no good movies shorter than 2 hours
>there are no good videogames shorter than 15 hours
>there are no good meals under 600 calories
>everything must be the same exact size I have autism

>>130220856
god mhj is so tuff man and that iconic outfit, radiating aura like crazy, she's so cool

>>130220862
because I have ocd

is danny done with kpops?

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>minji is the only fuckable member
it is astonishing that anyone could look at newjeans and not find haerin appealing
but thats what makes life interesting: there really is no accounting for taste. different people like different things.
some are dignified gentlemen nibbling a madeleine at high tea, and some are like that guy i saw on jerry springer who kept garbage bags full of womens vomit in a storage locker and jerked off to them

>>130220862
It's a major reason the songs are less enjoyable

>>130220868
you're right, but the two problems are correlated

>>130220860
nice promo

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HOLY

>2010 kpop
>albums with 12 unique 3 to 4 minute songs
>2020 and later kpop
>EPs with 2 similar sounding songs of 2 to 2.5 minutes padded with 4 remixes of the first track

>>130220880
how so lol
like genuinely
all pop songs pass through a dozen hands from demo to final track that's how it works, whoever gets credited is just an accounting exercise

>>130220841
>there is no quality in songs that are 2 minutes
Punkbros is this true???

hearts2hearts only has 3 minute songs our girls are fixing kpop
remove yeon

>>130220821
RAPEMEAT

>>130220886
>12 unique 3 to 4 minute songs
nah now you're just nostalgiabaiting there was a mountain of same-y slop being released last decade too

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*ahem* my mouth

>>130220898
>>130220892

>>130220889
yea i always said this song was trash because of its short length
https://youtu.be/SSbBvKaM6sk

>>130220879
Looks like an alien and has a shit personality

>>130220881
They might be. But tiktok trends aren't a guarantee, your fans streaming is 100% a guarantee.

which idol listens to fall out boy

>>130220879
dives still hate her for effortlessly mogging bogny and leeseo

>>130220888
>all pop songs pass through a dozen hands from demo to final track that's how it works
that's why pop songs suck these days

>>130220869
this is all true, also the fact i have autism is not relevant to this thank you

>>130220906
but enough about yourself

he cant stop thinking about us...

kya listens to rage against

>>130220841
>they never have time to go anywhere
not kpop but listen to this
https://youtu.be/Oe6y_7NnLFU

>>130220869
A song ends when it ends. That is artistic vision but it is clear hybe is forcing all their groups to be sub 3 minutes for profits. That is why I didn't pick out a single group but rather showed the run time of all their recent releases.

>>130220911
how can more contributors make a song less good, smart guy? think about it. if anything, they should have twice as many people contributing to a track. three times even.

>>130220915
minji...

fatman won

>>130220906
karina..

>>130220910
lol that picture with her in the background smiling with her little ears
that was posted 20 times a day for like a year
you guys are such stupid assholes i love you

I just checked Bieber songs and those mostly have 3 minute long runtimes
Yet people listen to them a lot

karina soles

The issue isn't the runtime, a 2 minute song can be good.
The issue is HYBE forcing all their releases to be sub 3 minutes for profit.

>>130220932
why are singling out hybe when most of the industry is doing it you're undermining your argument that way
sure they were the first with newjeans but the whole industry is shortening their songs now
no need for this "le yellow company bad" twitter slop

the only good charting group with a longer single this year is h2h

>>130220932
I can't believe a corporation is trying to generate profits. Fucking assholes, if only MHJ was there, she did it for the art.

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cute, cool, pretty, sexy

>>130220949
>>130220952

>>130220933
it means music is less a product of inspiration and more like designing a product than creating art

>>130220825
reminds me of when I'm appreciating a fancam of one of my girls and backup dancer enters the frame

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she won

>>130220806
1 million streams of a 2:18 vs 3:18 is like 690 days of stream time difference

i always said, this song logically ends at the 2:10 mark. period. dont drag this shit out. i have doomscrolling to do.
https://youtu.be/c1GxjzHm5us

>>130220952
it's just boomer autism
old dudes complaining about the way younglings do stuff is a staple of society
20 years from now you'll have people talking about how music these days is too long and that back in the good old days it was the proper length

>>130220962
>>130220952
HYBE is part of the big 4 and arguably the biggest one. They have control over the most groups. Hence they are at the front of pushing slop.
SM and YG have 3 minutes plus songs.

>>130220959
By making slop

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>>130220941
kek its the most brutal mogging of all time.

>>130220970
Would suckle those pits daily

>>130220963
if you don't like music made by companies and execs you're free to listen to American female rappers and indies instead of kpop
Complaining that kpop is too corporate is like complaining it's too Korean.

>>130220975
bout fuckin time

>>130220900
pharita... FUCK

>>130220980
mogging so brutal haerin got exiled from kpop
based iso

>>130220967
A 2:18 song is 33% more profitable than 3:18. It is that simple.

maknaes are the ultimate dice role cuties can grow up ugly like Chaeyoung/Hyein or get even hotter like Eunchae/Leeseo

>The name 4minute has two meanings. One means that each of its member will attract audiences in 4 minutes and this is why all of their songs are shorter than 4 minutes. The other meaning is that they will do their best for a minute
BOOMERBROS ATTENTION SPANS HAVE HALVED IN 15 YEARS

>>130220973
no i agree with their point that they are shortening songs for no reason other than profits and it's hurting the songs
im a big fan of lsf but celebration really could have used another section, same for HOT.

i just don't like the framing that only HYBE is pushing slop when every company is doing it now

>>130220990
cope

>>130220983
oh nooooo
i will make sure that doesn't happen

>>130220983
nigga who tf needs grok i post a few things about ghoul and i get some faggot who does it way better than any robot could to help me

>>130220998
HYBE is the biggest offender.
SM and YG both have released songs recently above 3 minutes (Choom and Rude!)
JYP's groups don't trend.

>>130220986
>American female rappers and indies
but they're not as cute

>>130220979
Only H2H has had a long-ish single do well this year.
The new babymonster is sub 3 minutes
JUMP was sub 3 minutes

>>130220965
if she had stayed natty

>>130220965
frenchkissing this gambler

>>130220963
yeah i agree i was just joshin. song structures arent set in stone but when you artificially truncate a pop song, its obvious, and squaders its own potential.

he's not taking the newjeans news well

>>130220989
isnt in that pic

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wow

>>130221010
2:58 vs 2:18 is still a world of difference.

there are AI 'fixed' versions of the STEPPA fancam

>>130220979
yg clinging to the glory days move on old man

>>130220998
HOT was good and it's length played in it's favor. I could listen to it for half an hour seamlessly.
Celebration is bad and being longer wouldn't help it at all.

>>130221021
link

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heejballs macholad

>>130221021
can't fix perfection

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asa bros….its fucking over…..

newjeans' short songs worked because their whole sound was light and airy like a rice cake, no substance really. but if youve got a banger, you cant start chopping off its legs and expect it to run.

>>130220965
horrible nose

>>130221023
You're entitled to your opinion of course but in my opinion HOT could have used a bridge. In fact it had a bridge (there's a leaked demo with an extra kazuha verse) but it was cut to make the runtime shorter.

>>130220986
no hybe is just ruining it

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>>130221025
tranny

>>130221022
I refuse to submit to slop

>>130220806
song length tells absolutely nothing about song quality

>>130221047
You are right.
However, forcing all your songs to be sub 3 minutes and pushing the boundaries to make them potential sub 2:30 certainly limits the quality of the song.

>>130220991
math is math and numbers dont lie

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ze bogseul

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*dies of exposure*

>>130221047
newjeans beat song was 37 seconds long
https://youtu.be/SXM1q0CTfew

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how has eebuggo not killed herself yet? it's a miracle

>>130221021
They remove the useless little skirt?

It's 2 mins you and i

>>130221060
this but you

>>130221038
Yes, and it was worse. Good thing they cut it out. Boomers are too obsessed with this idea every single song needs a bridge because that's what their rock slop sounded like in the 70s.

>>130221018
oh dear
forget i said anything
i've made a terrible mistake

You know what. That was a rather pleasant discussion and I am surprised that a decent amount of anons agree with my take.

>>130220999
cope jeans

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tina

cuz iii iii i iii
ruined my life boy

>>130221028
kai totally fucked her

>>130221073
more tina tummy

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>>130221067
eebuggo is severely depressed

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omo

am i in time for the schizo hours?

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>>130221069

not surprising

when you get jumped in for a hybe waifu, defending hybeslop music becomes your job

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Welcome back FANCY era Jeongyeon.

>>130221080
that's not even yves you schizo

>>130220989
always nice to get confirmation that pharita fags are actually blind

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>>130221080
>>130221060
>>130221089
soon...

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>>130221079
we don't have any more yet

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noasshee

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>>130221068
actually back in the 60-70s most pop songs *were* around 2 minutes lol, only later did we get 3-4 to even 5 minute averages when rock became more mainstream.

illit and lsf are garbage so if anything their songs should be under 1 minute long.

>>130221100
>Monkey paw curls

>>130221050
>sub 2:30 certainly limits the quality of the song
it really doesn't
a shit 2 minute song won't be any better if you spread that shit out all the way to 3 minutes

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newjeans' short songs worked because their songs were all good and you could just listen to their whole album/playlist start to finish and yeah it was over in an hour but it was all quality.
of course the good die young so the best act in kpop had to go away but hey at least we've still got great stuff like... pinky up and... its me and... spaghet... ti...

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That’s unexpected unless she is taking about pattinsons batman

>>130221099
so it's the same shit but xoomers and moomers seething instead of boomers

>>130221096
NOOOOOOOOOOO

the average song length is 4:20. i averaged my library of 13,000 songs and confirmed.

>>130221104
how the fuck would that be a monkey paw he doesn't like their music already

i'm a huge fan of fatman

this treasure darari song just clicked

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>>130221115
we will have to wait

>>130221099
I'm glad we're going back to the golden length. Can't stand 90s slop

>>130221106
It limits the pool of songs you select from when you buy them from producers. And if made inhouse, you limit the creativity of the producer.

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if you're white this is how you look at idols

>>130220972
good example

music like this was made for dancefloors and parties. lonely zoomer incels and femcels on their phones streaming for their waifu or oppa aren't leaving the house.

>>130221122
His favorite group copies the trend because they are successful

>>130221122
monkey paw: all kpop is now under 1 minute

EVERY single k-pop song should be like club Icarus
that will save K-pop!

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>the best act in kpop had to go away
???

>>130221136
illit and lsf will never be successful

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hybe shils really trying to justify illit's and lsf's latest turds lmao

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dis nigga kinda cute
bit unique

>>130221132
dogfucker

>>130221150
ive is so much prettier than lsf

any gehlees where she isn't making that awful retarded stoner face

the mount rushmore of kpop ggs are snsd, bp, newjeans and kiiikiii

ILLIT "It's Me" 11PM KST Update:

#6 Bugs (-3)
#7 Flo (+2) *new peak*
#12 MelOn (+1) *new peak*
#16 Genie (-3)

“REDRED” by CORTIS has now spent 9 days at #1 on the Spotify South Korea chart (119,729 streams).

“WE WANNA GO” by Wanna One debuts at #215 on MelOn Daily Chart.

>>130221150
thank you for not including the ugly maknae and bogny in your reaction image

Songs under 2.5 minutes can't be g–
https://youtu.be/qrGmpUbKoyA

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>>130221152
she's quite beautiful

>>130221110
newjeans's short songs were a waste of time. The second the start to get interesting, they end. I remember being incredibly annoyed when i listened to the super shy EP.

>>130221134
and driving around with friends and blasting music. i dont think they do that much either. i feel for these keeds.
https://youtu.be/q84psZX6MbA

>>130221158
all mogged by huntr/x

>>130221128
it's been their one and only click of all time for me

>>130221167
>The second the start to get interesting
never?

>>130221099
>actually back in the 60-70s most pop songs *were* around 2 minutes lol
this was a consequence of recording on vinyl though

the song length discussion has a lot of potential traps one must be careful not to fall into

some twitter browns are predisposed to disliking hybe so don't get much further than 'hybe le bad'
some nostalgiafags are predisposed to disliking newer songs no matter what
some people feel that shorter songs are worse because of a lack of development, but don't have the musical language to express that in an objective way
other people don't need that development in their pop music, but don't have the musical language to express their feelings in an objective way

>>130220879
more of this kot?

>>130221170
literally not kpop or even real

>>130221151
lovelia

>go to concerts a few years ago
>tickets were insane and hard to get
>go to concerts now
>tickets are easy to get but the show will probably be canceled
idk who has it worse

>>130221178
it's useless to talk about, songs can be good at any length
illit and lsf just made utter shit songs

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nobody is reading all that lil bro

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>>130221139
hey nabongers is wearing ian's skirt

>>130220869
I'm not sure those are valid analogues. You just trimmed the size to fit your fatuous argument.

>>130221178
look at this faggot writing entire essays like he's some berklee grad

>>130221173
loving the flow of the song

>>130221180
by that logic blackpink and newjeans are not kpop because they are popular and everything thats popular is not kpop

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>>130221112
sasuga

>>130221175
yes
then song length and EP length increased as casettes and CDs became mainstream
and now the streaming era made it so shorter songs make more sense again

hence why we see this chart >>130221099

pop never really was about artistic expression really it's selling records first, artistry second

>>130221176
wait lia looks like THAT?
damn

>>130221150
illit is pretty popular i dont really like them but korea does

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>>130221199
the problem is her face not her thighs

>>130221179
sorry, no

>>130221197
what the fuck?
how could she pass on ryan gosling?
he's literally me...

>>130221184
that's very reductive.
Yes songs can be bad at any length, but it's harder to write a super short song that still sounds satisfying.

>>130221095
that but is your face

>>130221158
actually it would just be Fatman Bang x4

>>130221158
who tf is kiikiii

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that's just makeup on her chest right? i don't think i've ever seen an idol do that before

>>130221165
worst song on the album tbqf

>>130221214
dogfucker

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>>130221187
your pic: 260425
my pic: 260425
are they dating??

the reason this discussion is so disingenuous is because it's fake and gay
if anyone actually cared about muh artistry, muh corporations are bad, muh making money is bad, muh musicality they'd be listening to jazz, classical and progressive rock, not kpop, the most corporate genre around and with the least focus on the actual music

>>130220892
die

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>>130221165
of course the text spammer is an ugloona homosexual

>>130221197
the white man marches on

>>130221223
stay mad

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My walking breed factory

i passed up an opportunity to see ariana grande front row in 2019. she hasn’t been on tour since

>>130221222
yeah but does Beethoven look good on a miniskirt? Didn't think so

kpop is for fapping
the only thing that matters is the amount of fap content our waifu put out

have you noticed the 'not reading all that' posts often contain spelling errors and the phrase 'lil bro'?

karina been showing her feet a lot lately

>>130221232
dodged a bullet

>>130221222
i dont listen to kpop
im here for the fromis content

>>130221228
extremely ugly

There’s a man alive on earth who has been balls deep inside chaewon

damn, can't believe I like gaypop now but REDRED is legit SOTY

muttbrown mad

>>130221242
>man
you mean dog

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>>130221238
>>130221245
poonatrannies not beating the allegations

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>>130221228
m i n e

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>>130221243

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DAMN

“CHOOM” by BABYMONSTER reaches a new peak of #93 (+48) on the Spotify South Korea chart (16,295 streams).

>>130221228
she lost her great ass, but still would to this young succubus

wony met gala status?

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have a ting

>>130221178
>some people feel that shorter songs are worse because of a lack of development, but don't have the musical language to express that in an objective way
>other people don't need that development in their pop music, but don't have the musical language to express their feelings in an objective way
this two-sidedness also applies to your other points though

>some twitter browns are predisposed to disliking hybe so don't get much further than 'hybe le bad'
and the opposite: retarded hybe defenders
>some nostalgiafags are predisposed to disliking newer songs no matter what
and the opposite: some zoomertards assume new songs are inherently better because of trends

>>130221235
the max word count per post on this site is what 1500? nothing that should take you more than a minute or two to read at most

but you have to keep in mind some people literally cannot read. failed by the education system. and they get mad about it too . insecure retards hitting you with a 'too long didnt read' or a 'not reading all that' only really exposing their lack of education. or even worse, them putting your shit through grok to summarize, it's a humiliation ritual really

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>>130221222
the existence of other genres is no reason to accept a lapse in standards in this one. companies should have their feet held to the fire, and bad music should not be tolerated regardless of its length. if you sell crap you should expect shit pay, ideally.

>>130221251
>@'s ximself
>melts
calm down, lil brown

>>130221197
this is what we're talking about when we refer to the white man's burden btw

>>130221228
that face is disgusting

>>130221234
>>130221240
based

>>130221266
thanks

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>>130221266

>>130221253
got that voldemort side profile

>samefagging

>>130221269
>he says, as he posts shitzy

next thread is for butts only

>>130221269
>that bulge around the strap
FUCK

>>130221214
what?

I thought Twitter was overreacting but you can see Kya’s whole ass

>>130221261
all these roids just to be mogged by an average white dude

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super summer showing off her cuteness

yejibros we made way too much spaghetti

easy on the multidevice seethe juseyo

>>130221287
that's so fucked up, any links to the outrage? with examples?

>>130221222
>the most corporate genre around
so what

>>130221282
your terms are acceptable

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visual group
sexy group

>>130221287
where

>>130221267
no, that is different

you can have well founded reasons for liking/disliking shorter songs (lack of development, freshness, experimentation, whatever); that is valid.

But being mindbroken by a company (in both a hater or defender direction i dont really care) or a 'generation warrior' (in both the boomer or zoomer direction i dont really care) are not good arguments.

but i feel like this discussion has run its course now

yjk that each and every kiof could suck a golf ball through a garden hose
and 3/4 of them love showing off that skill

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is this the purest sisterhood in kpop?

>>130221287
she just really loves her fans. there is nothing to be concerned about here.

>>130221242
jaden…

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>>130221314
pedo

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>>130221304
i hope shes the reluctant one