Is Billie Eilish the only artist making bold statements?
>go watch a docu...https://www.tiktok.com/@willmahony_/video/7307323119818083630
>narcissistic has-been with a concert documentary coming out soon does dumb shit for social media advertisingyawn
At her scale and reach? Yes. That’s easily a universal first. Closest would be Joaquin Phoenix’s Oscar speech, but Billie is obviously far more influential to young people, and 99.9% of zoomers and alphas have no idea who Moby is or care about vegan xvx bands from the 80s and 90s.
>>130231274Whoa shes soooo empathetic bro
>i am so tired of standing up for/having empathy for living beings being controversialthis is the same woman who supports killing babies in the womb btw
>>130231291peak goy nigger
yes she's very good at reading scripts someone gives her
She literally sits on her dogs heads and wet farts all over them. Vile woman needs to STFU and address why she does that to poor animals.
omg you're telling me they kill the hecking animals we eat, wtf bros
>>130231341Abortion is based
>>130231479>murdering innocent and helpless people is based
>>130231567Cell clusters aren’t people
>>130231630He's not talking about 3 weeks after sex, he's talking about killing a 3 month old fetus
>>130231274I've got a statement to make, its called my cum on her huge pale tits
>>130231479>>130231567Depends on the race
>>130231630>Cell clustersthat's one level of analysis, which you also qualify as; we don't stop being, in part, a "cluster of cells" as we develop. a 'fetus' is a living human being at an early stage of development. if pro-choice/pro-abortionists were honest, and "trusted the science", they would admit to be in favor of killing innocent human beings in the case of abortion.
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>>130231294She's really been controversial a lot lately. She's had like 5 controversies this year alone. I mean, she's really controversial in general when people made fun of her for dating a guy that is twice her age she dressed up as a baby and he dressed up as an old man to mock the haters. Billie likes older men. When she was 16 she was dating a 25 year old black rapper.>>130231274She's literally posting gore videos of animals getting abused and cut open to her fans which are almost entirely little girls. Do mothers not care what their daughters are watching on social media anymore? Like do any parents even care their idol and their literal God billie eilish is posting videos of animals getting killed and tortured on her social media stories? Like parents just don't care what their little children watch online anymore? Lol.
>>130231427>>130231318Yup. Believe it or not. The animals that we eat are dead, they're not alive. It might be hard to believe, but they died. And billie is a literal hero for complaining about the system that exists. It takes some guts to complain and bitch and whine on social media. It's extremely brave of her to post gore videos of animals getting slaughtered to her instagram story, especially considering most of her instagram followers are minors. She's really a brave hero for showing gore to all those underage fans of hers. Lol.
>>130231274Incomprehensibly based. Joining the ranks with Morrissey in speaking the uncomfortable truths unabashedly.
Billie is making a huge difference in the world. She is heroically bitching and complaining about the fact meat comes from dead animals.Not all heroes wear capes. Some heroes have millions of dollars and like to make a difference by posting gore videos to their underage fans. That's true heroism. Veterans are cowards compared to her. She has the balls to bitch on social media about how meat comes from animals. Inspiring. Powerful. Brave. Her actions are truly changing the system. Lol.
>>130231274>>130231296>>130232163>>130232212This is what she sounds like:https://youtu.be/TVlNfo1tgXM
>>130232130Hot but this is pretty tame for whats in my billie folder. I love AI
>>130232242As long as you remember she is not pretty on the inside then it's ok. Don't let her looks deceive you man, lol.
>>130232255I simply do not care about her personality, shes literally just some girl. But holy fuck those boobs. I really really hope she gets pregnant someday for the sake of my cock
god forbid Billie Eilish has an opinion. If anything it's great that she's vegetarian, you can look at her and know that you won't become an emaciated weakling for not eating meat.>>130231274>hurr durr she's so BRAVE etc etcwhole lotta (((MAGA))) trash buttblasted because Billie has an opinion that's left-of-fascist.man you MAGA trash are some fragile little snowflakes aren'cha?
>like,
>>130232376Hi billie, I'm sorry to tell you this but MAGA are not the only people in the world that eat meat. This might surprise you, but meat existed before Trump was born, lol.
>>130231274seems like she’s spiraling. probably overly medicated
Kill all carnist faggots. You are morally inferior beings and therefore lower on the food chain than me, so by your logic I should be able to slaughter you. Oh, how I long to.
>>130232509>You are morally inferior beingswhere does the basis of morality come from and how do you know that is in fact the basis?
>>130232534Extreme narcissism lol.
>but it le tastes goodMeet your meat, you gluttonous fat fuck.
>all pathos, no logic
>>130232552You can't claim to care about life but then think abortions are okay when the mother's life is not at risk when it's the same thing lol.
>Cow's milk contains small, natural amounts of estrogen (estrone and estradiol) and progesterone, particularly from pregnant cows, which can lead to measurable increases in hormonal levels in consumers, notably men and children
>>130232534Do you need animal products to survive? No.>but le supplementsOkay, but they're available, are they not? So since you don't need to eat meat to survive, i.e. out of necessity, you are eating meating for pleasure. This means you are killing not out of necessity, but for pleasure, because it tastes good, because it makes you "manly" (buying products is so manly bro), and I think we can both agree killing for pleasure is a moral and ethical failure.
>ur le evil because you aren't bitching and boycotting an industry that I don't like>but it's ok when I manufacture my Nike branded shoes in offshores labor camps in China where girls get abused and beaten and paid $4 per hour to make my billie eilish brand nike air force ones in a sweatshop>but ur le evil because u like... idk, you spent $10 on the meat industry one time>no country in the world has ever gone vegan before but it's possible because i said so lol.
>you don't need animals to survive even though there's not even ONE country in the world that proves a country can survive without animals>but you DO NEED to buy my billie eilish air force ones which are produced in human labor sweatshops in China where people get abused and beaten and paid next to nothingTHAT is NECESSARY, but meat is not necessary, even though there's not one country in the world that doesn't eat meat. It would totally be sustainable because some powerpoint slide that my liberal mom showed me told me that it's doable, even though it's never been done before in all of history, my mom would never lie to me. You CANNOT get mad at me for using human sweatshops to produce my eilish nike shoes, but I can get mad at poor people for buying a $4 burger because I can afford vegan food.Lol.
Not reading your brown aislop word salad you fucking retard
>>130232591It's like you never heard of vegetarianism by necessity. Most of the global south's supposed vegetarians are so because they can't afford or have access to meat. Were it available, they'd be ditching that diet in droves.
go watch a documentary or two and some footage of what is done to the children who work at Nike factories you claim to love and what it does to the planet u pretend to love as well. if that footage was hard for u to watch i encourage u to pls take a look at urself. like i am so tired of standing up for/having empathy for little girls working at nike being controversial. pls continue to live in a constant state of cognitive dissonance and denial and try to convince urself that ur not living a lie. mwah (kiss) this post was sponsored by Nike, now go and buy my new shoes so I can get even richer! Lol.
>>130232643What does that have to do with anything I said?
Anyways here's a little girl who passed out after being forced to make Nike shoes for too long without sleeping or eating. But wait, look over here, it's an animal! Just forget about all the people who died making billie's air force 1s for low income just so Nike could sell them for $100 and billie could become richer lol.
Stuff your fat mouth with bacon, faggot
>>130232591>Do you need animal products to survive?depends on one's circumstances. I personally don't, but some people have monetary, otherwise practical, and even biological complications which disallow a fully vegan diet.>So since you don't need to eat meat to survive, i.e. out of necessity, you are eating meating for pleasureI'm not saying this is true of most meat-eaters, but this is a false dichotomy or an over-simplification. even if one could be a full-fledged vegan, there are hypothetically - and in reality - considerations beyond pure pleasure that would make someone choose to eat some portion of meat products.> I think we can both agree killing for pleasure is a moral and ethical failureI'm not so sure it is. the question is what the basis of morality is and whether we have as humans a higher privilege than other animals or something else which would not ethically contradict killing animals for food (which is why I asked the basis for morality). I'm not a robot, so I have my own "prejudices" about these things, but I'm skeptical of objective morality in general. and just saying "surely we can agree to this," when veganism/killing non-humans for food is a very contentious issue is not something I would grant on its face. vegans normally (have to) default to a sort of consequentialism, but it always fails imo when you get to the bottom of it. though I can appreciate the sentiment (at least to some extent).
In highschool we went on a field trip to a local farm and watched them shoot a few pigs in the head. The last one was horrific because the bullet failed to penetrate the skull so the pig was screeching for over a minute because the farm guy only had 1 bullet on him and he needed a stronger rifle. He then proceeded to talk students into betting on him eating a raw pig heart and he ended up getting $100 from a few students.
Ok that's a great idea. What country should we try to make fully vegan first? America is too big being one of the biggest countries. But maybe we can try a smaller country first like perhaps Ghana or Chile. Let's convince Ghana or Chile to stop eating all meat and arrest anybody that eats any meat. And then after that works out successfully, then we can use that as proof that it is possible for a country to sustain itself without meat. And then we can use that proof to convince America to do the same thing! Should be easy! Let's start small with Ghana or Chile. Currently there's no country that's vegan in the whole entire world, so we will need to start somewhere to prove it is possible lol.
are these animal images meant to be shocking? lmao i've seen 100x worse in gore threads you lil faggot.
>>130232670You have a luxury belief system and live in a country where even the poorest members can subscribe to them.
very plant of her
has she donated to any charities that help animals, has she done anything other than type out words onto her instagram story?
no, rog has always made bold statements, way before eilish
Muslisms eat meat and they love animals. There are extremely specific rules in Islam about treating animals well. Muslims can't eat an animal that was abused, and they're not allowed to kill baby animals or eat any animal that was mistreated and they kill it in a quick and painless way. So billie's entire argument about "you can't eat meat and love animals at the same time" is very wrong. The animals that muslims eat are treated much better than the way animals treat each other in nature. And the muslims never waste their food either they are doing it to survive.Besides, billie just likes to hear herself talk, and feel morally superior to others, and complain despite living in a massive country that is rich and she herself is rich, so she has no idea what most of the people in the world are really going through right now anyways. She supports human abuse and does business with Nike who famously uses abusive sweatshops that have terrible human conditions. So why am I not allowed to have an opinion about her support for Nike? She supports Nike more than the average person supports the meat industry. She made them millions of dollars with her deal lol.
>>130232782>Muslisms eat meat and they love animalsdon't ask them about dogs
>>130232773Of course, but you don't really care do you anon?
>>130232799Has she ever made an effort to stop people from working in sweatshops in unsafe conditions? Or does she support the industry by earning them millions of dollars lol.
>>130231274Pau no seu cú, billie ellish.Sua medíocre.
My problem is that she chooses to hyperfocus on very specific things and then get mad at anyone who is not also hyperfocused on the same things.There are many things you can complain about. I still think it's valid to complain about the fact she supports abusive factories in China by doing business with Nike which is a company that uses sweatshops. Why is my opinion irrelevant to her? Why does that not matter to her? It's because she only cares about specific issues and then for other issues it's ok when she is the problem. She chose to dedicate her entire life to this one problem that she is never going to solve anyways and then ignore the problems that she is actively contributing to like sweatshop labor, she just pretends it's not happening, lol.
>>130232818epic goalpost move bro
has she opened her mansion to let in refugees after the stolen land statement?
>>130232863It's really not though.We are arguing that you need to be an activist on important issues or else you are a bad person.Why is eating meat bad? It's because you need to be a vegan activist like she is or else you are a piece of shit.So in the same argument I can say that you need to be anti sweatshop or else you are a piece of shit too. And she is not anti sweatshop she actually helps out the sweatshops a lot. What did all of her efforts against the meat industry do anyways? We sold more meat in 2026 than in 2025 so if anything the meat industry has gotten stronger and she didn't save a single pig's life. But she did make sweatshop workers create her shoes lol.
>>130232863I don't like when animals are mistreated either, and I failed to save the pigs just like she also failed to save the pigs, the only difference is that she thinks she is the only one who is trying to the pigs and everyone else is not "trying." She is blind to the reality that she hasn't saved any pigs and the pigs are still dying and she failed them and they are dying because she failed them. She's basically saying bad thing bad and then she's bragging about it like she has made a huge difference when she hasn't made any difference at all. She thinks that bitching online is making a difference. She thinks that she is making progress and the rest of us are not making progress.We are the ones with real jobs who create vegan alternatives, she is the one who sits in her mansion and she makes poor people create nike shoes for her to sell under unsafe conditions so she can get richer from them lol.
Why does this cunt care more about veganism than she does stopping US imperialism?
stop giving the b8 (You)s
>>130231274Ms. Eilish, those are opinions held by by a bazillion of other retards in your bubble.If anything, it's just sad and indicative that you're a fucking retard.
>>130232680I certainly will Mohammed. Go fuck yourself. Becon makes muscle and i like having muscle.
Shan't be reading a word of that>hides thread
>>130231274How can someone like Billie Elish even be called an artist when the albums are basically created by a huge committee with Billie just being marketing face.
>parents were gentrifiers and house-flippers in Highland Park Los Angeles; said “no one really lived there” when asked about her home hood in interviews>uncle is a former member of Congress who voted for the Patriot Act (alongside countless undisclosed mass surveillance bills), the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, the big bank bailouts of '08, and countless other major events of the past 20 years during his service to Congress>was raised in the entertainment industry and grew up about industry people>career was astroturfed from day one by one of the most powerful corporations in the world (Apple), which incubated her at Platoon and prioritized her on Apple Music to ensure her success; this was all part of a giant plot by Apple and Spotify to take control of the music industry from the major labels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L-oNQWx48A >has routinely campaigned for establishment Democrats like Biden and Harris (not Bernie Sanders though) in spite of misappropriating radical left rhetoric>was accused of stealing Black culture when she first got big due to her dress sense and use of trap beats, has made anti-Black statements in the media, and was visibly angry at last year’s Grammys when Kendrick won over her>is anti-billionaire yet owns multiple properties in the LA area, making her no better than a landlord >was “pro-Palestine” yet never called out Biden or Harris once for facilitating the genocide>worked with billionaire James Cameron>performed with Zionist Justin Bieber during Coachella >makes zero political music despite all her accolades I hate this girl.Fucking fake “leftist”. Billie Eilish killed Rosa Luxemburg.
no one is illegal on stolen land, but also ignore the history of conflict between ""native"" tribes and every other non-white group pls pls pls don't look it up
YOOOOOOOOO FUCK DEM SHARKS THEY EATIN DA FISH TF??! WHAT THEY EATIN DA FISH FOR MANG THEY SHOULDA BEEN EATIN DA SEA GRASS O ALGO!WTFFF ??? LIONS FINNA BE EATIN ZEBRAS N SHIT OMFG WHAT??? WHY?!!! SOMEONE GOTTA TELL THEM TO EAT DA GRASS AND APPLES FROM DEM TREES MANG FUCK DEM LIONS EATIN MEAT MANG THATS WRONG!
>>130233130Her entire career is a front for Apple Music.
>>130231274>billie: "omfg it's so wrong how society sexualizes young girls">also billie:
Billie's most recent album was great, and I'm looking forward to seeing the concert film.>>130233135>Fucking fake “leftist”.if she was a fake "leftist" than that makes her actual MAGA trash, so you /pol/ tourists shouldn't really be screeching about her after all.Lord knows you bootlicker smoothbrains who re-elected the "President of Peace" are OK with a little hypocrisy, aren'cha?>>130232454>incessant sniveling about everything left-of-fascist Bilie Eilish says>"hahaha no this isn't about MAGA trash, you must have TDS" - MAGA trash
>>130231341I’ve been saying this. Bitch will claim she loves babies but wouldn’t dare question some chick getting an abortion, let a lone a late term one
>>130234022a fetus isnt a baby dumbfuck magatard
>>130234046Many fetuses that are aborted have organs and limbs, fucking libtard faggot
>>130233966I’ve been a radical leftist for years, idiot. Billie doesn’t show she has any legitimate leftist principles. Calling out billionaires for not donating to charity isn’t a call for the abolition of capitalism.
I'm dying to see the new Billie Eilish concert film, I hate theatres but might have to go to get the full experience.https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/08/arts/music/billie-eilish-james-cameron-hit-me-hard-and-soft-movie.html>>130234095>derpa derpa I'm a radical leftist!that you, Dean?
Vegetarianism is a great and noble ideal but veganism is just plain stupid.
>>130233041What's wrong with giving a voice for the voiceless you dipshit?
>>130231274>*watches Earthlings once*
>>130234510No one should care about veganism in today’s political world. It’s like caring about rearranging the furniture on the ship while the ship is sinking.
>>130235397that sounds like something a literal psychopath would say but okay
>>130234195This. Vegans are even against honey, fucking retards.
I know. I know documentaries
>>130232163It shouldn't be controversial to tell children the truth about animal abuseIts pretty fucked up to not tell them where the mcdouble cheeseburger meat comes from if you decide to buy itIf after they learn they still wanna eat it so be it
>>130236020Watch Dreamworks Bee Movie for evidence about why bees shouldn't have to live in artificial hives where they are pumped with nicotine smoke to produce more honey
>>130231274I thought she signed her post "n'wah" and felt respect for a celebrity like I had never felt before.
>>130231274>A literal one-percenter finger wagging to their goy followers about how they should treat the enviromentSorry Billie but regardless of how much I save the empathy deficient animals it will do nothing compared to how much your career destroys the enviroment. All those tours, plastic CDs and records produced, lavish living, etc. will kill them all anyways
>>130237961Thats a bunch of bsIts okay to tour and manufacture meech to survive capitalismShe has a job tooI don't support abortion but god bless her for representing the abused animals that deserve a fighting chance at freedomUnless you like being yanked around like a dog on a chain by democratsThis goes beyond politicsLike Trump can save the world too despite creepy past behaviorBut you can't stop sniffing your own baked alaska farts
>>130231274reminder her documentary revealed she had boyfriend....when she was 16 and he was 22 year oldhow did they reveal this so casually and how this guy not in jail? I thought you americans went hard on age of consent? (billie is from cali where it's 18)
>>130238027You can’t just arrest someone without charges. Anything other than her pressing charges would be hearsay. It’s because she was 16 that made it safe for them as long as she or her family didn’t report him, even though aoc is 18 in Cali.
>>130231274performative female
>>130237941shut up
>>130232195This but unironically
performative deracinated cracker ahimsa in le biggie donatello 2000 'n 26disobey white women eat a rabbit paella buy the horse meatballs leave humanity behind
>>130231274>I am tired of standing upNo one told your ass to get up!
>>130231799Woah... not cool...
>>130232130She loses me when she speaks her mind but pulls me back in with that fucking smile and those blue eyes, man! And I fucking hate her just marry me BITCH
>>130232212Can't wait for her national front pop
>>130232242Post your folder bro...
>>130232509>You are morally inferior beings>because you eat meat>so I should be allowed to kill youOkay, compromise, we only eat carnivorous animals only since they eat other animals and therefore should be killed. Deal?
>>130231274I am so sick of hearing about this democrat funded industry plant
>>130233928Nothing wrong with this.
>>130240539Except you won’t because carnivorous animals are not cost effective to farm at the scale that would be required. The best option is lab grown meat.
>>130233135When has Billie ever claimed to be a socialist?
>>130231630People are cell clusters though
>>130240635No, people are conscious, have four limbs, eyes, ears, a fully functioning nervous system, have to shit, piss, and acquire food through their own effort. Cell clusters don’t do anything, don’t look like much of anything, and have no consciousness.
>>130240647>Cell clusters don’t do anythingsome do, including more and less developed humans. more developed humans having other objective/descriptive qualities doesn't mean we're not also objectively a cluster of cells; and less developed humans being in part a cluster of cells doesn't mean they don't also have other qualities and are living. to say that children in the womb are "only" a cluster of cells is unscientific.
>>130232837Cu não tem acento, anão.
>>130240750Predictable response from an unserious interlocutor. Gradations of babby exist in teh woom. The part where they’re conscious and on the verge of being shat out is what makes them viable people and ethically relevant.
>>130240780>The part where they’re conscious and on the verge of being shat out is what makes them viable people>viablemeaning what? if you leave a newborn to its own devices, what's going to happen? a six month old? a one year old?>and ethically relevantsays what?
>>130240853Viable meaning their subjective experience or lack thereof determines what happens when they come out. In either case, it’s identifiably and functionally human.says everything that allows you the freedom to say dumb shit on the internet.
>>130232509based
>>13023539722% of the world are vegetarians, around 1% are vegans. It is a real political force with economic weight, not some meme activism that is destined to lose
>>130231274who goes through their discovering animal cruelty phase in their mid 20s, this is the type of shit bitches type in high school
>>130240879>their subjective experience or lack thereof determines what happens when they come out>determines what happens when they come outdon't mean to be rude, but this is worded in a vague and, on its face, broad way. I assume you mean something more specific, though I'd rather you clarify than put words in your mouth. I'm also not a prescriptivist, so I'm not saying a dictionary is the end-all-be-all, but this doesn't look like any definition I'd find if I were to look up 'viable' in the dictionary; that is, I'm not sure where you're getting that definition.>says everything that allows you the freedom to say dumb shit on the internet.this is also vague and, imo, not a well-meaning response to my question. if you don't wanna have a serious convo that's fine, just say so, but I wasn't asking rhetorically. this isn't limited to this or that side, but pro-choice people often take moral foundations for granted, so it's useful to ask about said foundations in a convo.
>>130241315Yeah, if you gotta ask about morals in this situation, you’re obviously accustomed to taking moral foundations for granted. You’re only alive because someone let you live, which says everything about the society you live in, and also answers the ethical question behind ethical pr unethical abortions.
Billie dressed as a baby and her bf dressed like an old man to mock people who didnt like that she was dating someone twice her age all her bfs are twice her age lol.
>>130241418>Yeah, if you gotta ask about morals in this situation, you’re obviously accustomed to taking moral foundations for grantedhow do you figure?>You’re only alive because someone let you livethat and there've been no terminal or fatal events in my life up to this point, no disagreements there>and also answers the ethical question behind ethical pr unethical abortionsthis is another roundabout response which doesn't obviously answer my question. I can ask it again directly: what is your justification for the claim that consciousness and "on the verge of being shat out" gives someone moral status?
>>130241459My question to you is: why can’t you square the reason you were spared death upon birth with the reason why a conscious being on the verge of being shat out is granted moral consideration?
>>130241488I'm happy to answer that, but I would ask you answer my question first. if you're only going to be passive-aggressive, vague, and not answer my questions I see no reason to answer yours.
Stirner answered this whole shit 150 years ago.You do shit because it makes you feel good and you don't do shit because it makes you feel bad. If the moral feeling that you get from not eating animals is greater than the pleasure you get from eating them, you will stop eating animals- regardless of whatever complicated logic someone tries to rope you into.I'm a super-woke progressive outspoken nuisance and even I can recognize that there's no simple logic behind my choices, and I'm just doing things because something in the back of my mind makes doing those things feel better to me than not doing them.I guess in the end we can just say that some people are mentally disposed to getting enough happiness boost from what they feel are life choices based on a sense of altruism- and for other people, that little burst of "smugness" or whatever you wanna call it, doesn't outweigh the pleasure they get from their own life choices.It really doesn't require any of this debate. None of you know when consciousness emerges in a baby or animal's mind- your feelings about abortion or meat or whatever are just based on thinking whatever thoughts make you feel better.
>>130241572>I'm vegan.>I don't eat crawfish.>I bomb my house for bugs twice a year.>The irony doesn't bother me.This destroys the logicslopped brain.
>>130241572Yeah, you’re wrong. Some things are simply arrived at through cold reason. I am not an ‘animal person’. I think the obsession with cuteness is infantile, and looking after dogs or cats, and domestic animals in general is annoying and a waste of resources, but I also think humans who take on that responsibility ought to do it to the best of their ability. I’m vegan because it’s simply the most advanced way to live in every respect. It has nothing to do with happiness.
>>130241631>Some things are simply arrived at through cold reason.You became a vegan through purely logical reasoning? But that's the dumbest thing ever because you're having literally ZERO impact on the suffering of animals- whatsoever. At least I can admit I'm just doing it because I think it's the right thing to do and makes me feel better about myself.Going by pure "cold reason" and applying a sorta game theory logic to what you're saying- it seems that you're completely wasting your effort and will have no impact on anything whatsoever. Something, again, that I'm fine with- because I know I can't change anything about the world, but eating something's mom makes me sad. It's almost like I'm more logical than you are.
>>130241697Yes, I became vegan because I believe in platonic truths. How I feel (or don’t) about suffering doesn’t change what is true about suffering. How I feel about the taste of meat doesn’t change what’s bad about it. So on and so forth. You’re not more logical, you’re just more emotional and driven by pleasure principles.
Her and Hayley Williams are some of the most obnoxious bitches in the game
>>130241572>Stirner answered this whole shit 150 years ago.>It really doesn't require any of this debatethose are just appeals to common sense, fallacies>None of you know when consciousness emerges in a baby or animal's mindnot everyone bases moral worth on consciousness, so that doesn't necessarily matter>your feelings about abortion or meat or whatever are just based on thinking whatever thoughts make you feel better>whatever thoughts make you feel betterwhich is based on? regardless, this doesn't take into account people's capacity for reason (which doesn't even have to come to "true" conclusions for my point to be right). take for instance a gay person who believes they are immoral for simply being gay, even if they haven't done anything with someone of the same sex, and they constantly beat themselves up over it. it's not obvious by any means how this makes them feel good ultimately - and on the contrary it looks quite the opposite. not everything someone believes, even subjectively, feels good.
Billie Eilish needs to eat my meat and then she will no longer be vegan. Lol.
>>130241731>>130241751Well damn- then I guess I'm really hoping the objectively best way to live the human experience is figured out by the end of this thread, because I've been reading and existing for a long time and it's always just wound up looking to me like everyone choosing the path of least resistance and trying to avoid the disquiet of cognitive dissonance. Probably wrong though.
>>130241697>You became a vegan through purely logical reasoning? But that's the dumbest thing ever because you're having literally ZERO impact on the suffering of animals- whatsoeverThis is like saying that you shouldn't vote because your single vote alone doesn't makes any change.
>>130241824The average person is a moron, which is why they require shame to change (if they will change at all). Things have to taste yummy enough or be convenient enough. These aren’t enlightened creatures. You yourself exemplify some of these behaviors, but you cleared the bellcurve enough to change, most likely because you have above average emotional intelligence by some margin,
>>130241824>it's always just wound up looking to me like everyone choosing the path of least resistancethat's slightly different from your "feel good" principle earlier, but this is also wrong. again, if we chose our beliefs purely because they were convenient, gay people who felt bad about being gay would just choose to belief there's nothing wrong with being gay - but obviously that doesn't happen.
>>130232195Yea but do you actually know how fucked factory farming is? It's just pure misery. This why my wife and I process our own meat, and even if you give no shit about the animals, the whole process is nasty af. Pumped full of antibiotics and hormones so they can grow to full size while practically unable to move, and then killed in the cheapest easiest way regardless of suffering. Yea I'll pass
>>130232195Well shit, when you put it like that, she’s based as fuck.
