Romantic Victory EditionFiretruck Victory EditionThe SublimeThe GothicThe Reaching Grasp of Faustian Man Is Moved to Seize This General Thread By His Will To Eternityhttps://youtu.be/EBD7kmP7Zt8This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130205013
>>130238442indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksPTEvwwbVg
>>130238442Question: when I listen to a long piece, I usually remember just the main/most impactful parts. Maybe 5-10 minutes out of 30-50 minute symphony. As in, when I listen I can clearly imagine what's going to happen next. However, I've went to a Dvorak 9th performance recently and was surprised that I could remember almost all of it. Well, most of movements three and four and a decent chunk of the first one with sporadic parts of a second one (which is to be expected as I like second movement the least). I do listen to Dvorak 9th often, but it was probably the first time I managed to gain such a clear recollection of such a large piece. How is it for you /classical/?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOofzffyDSA
>>130238530About the same, though of course depends on the piece and how often I've heard it. Dvorak 9 is quite memorable.
>>130238491Sonic quietly mutter singing to himself as he picks up rings
now playingstart of R. Strauss: 4 Letzte Lieder, TrV 296https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un38eWzypFQ&list=OLAK5uy_mOuGAGT-blRL1gRqQWcnuZyjATs6TrOXI&index=2start of R. Strauss: Ariadne auf Naxos, Op. 60 (selected arias)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpV_cwPHDpo&list=OLAK5uy_mOuGAGT-blRL1gRqQWcnuZyjATs6TrOXI&index=6R. Strauss: Vier Gesänge, Op. 33: 1. Verführunghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vclk3Wx55Io&list=OLAK5uy_mOuGAGT-blRL1gRqQWcnuZyjATs6TrOXI&index=9R. Strauss: Fünf Lieder, Op. 48: 4. Winterweihehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIGUxnRpIAU&list=OLAK5uy_mOuGAGT-blRL1gRqQWcnuZyjATs6TrOXI&index=11and a couple more pieceshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mOuGAGT-blRL1gRqQWcnuZyjATs6TrOXI>Renée Fleming's voice is still so beautiful and in such glorious condition that it’s difficult to believe that she has been singing professionally for over 20 years and will be 50 next year. The creamy, warm quality almost never fails her, and on this new CD of music by Richard Strauss, the lush, luscious sound is very much in evidence. And she still has the long, flowing breath needed to carry Strauss's long melodies to their conclusions. Many of her fans love her habit of swooning up to notes and enunciating key words (in the first song, "Frühling," she makes her voice tremble on the word "zittert,"/ "tremble") for dramatic effect; others will find that it is annoying and getting in the way of the music. On the other hand, the exquisite way she has with "Winterweihe" is utterly winning, the form and content simple and ravishing, the high notes stunning. Once past the exaggerated, breathy recitative, she does well with Ariadne's long, two-octave scene, and by its end, she sounds ecstatic. The scene from "Die Aegiptische Helene" is so difficult that Fleming merely sings it without adding any "original" touches, and it’s thrilling. Christian Thielemenn and the Munich Philharmonic offer handsome support. -- Robert Levine
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC3D7qzMgvU&list=OLAK5uy_laX8WcvelVenO9OawyieYwkFnWFpgdmsI
>>130238491https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTm3Mdpzy5k&list=PLmahFwffRKj2lydx-roDD4S626-cIvM-x&index=4
>>130238491>Goldberg variation 5 (1955)
Schumann (lieder)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9TZB3nI71o
If anyone has Apple Music Classical, the new Luisi Ring apparently is now on there.>The Dallas Symphony Orchestra and its music director Fabio Luisi will release a complete recording of Wagner‘s Der Ring des Nibelungen on Delos, the American label of Outhere Music, with worldwide availability arriving on May 22. The 13-CD box set goes on sale in the United States a week earlier, on May 15, and is available to pre-order on Amazon. A two-week digital exclusive on Apple Music Classical opens on May 8. The early streaming window launches a year of programming the platform is devoting to the 150th anniversary of the Ring‘s first performances at Bayreuth.https://theclassicreview.com/news/fabio-luisi-and-the-dallas-symphony-orchestra-release-wagners-ring-cycle/Me, I'll wait till it's on YouTube Music, so the 22nd.
>>130239202>The early streaming window launches a year of programming [Apple Music Classical] is devoting to the 150th anniversary of the Ring‘s first performances at Bayreuth.that's cool. curious what it means exactly but sounds cool
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYvjYJNmRY&list=OLAK5uy_me6pKi9Lhvdgy5TMHfC7HQ9C1w0hV9K4U&index=12
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGJxmCOPFVM&t=1s
>>130239202the blurb on the Apple Music page, kinda neat, some words by the conductor. 1/2
>>130239202>>1302403562/2
Feels like a Mahler 4 day. And there's only one Mahler 4 I want to listen to today.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J18wFaVjbPw
why does no one irl know about scriabin when i tried talking about him and i got weird looks
>>130241287Most people are mindless sheep whose entire musical "taste" consists of gobbling up whatever slop the record industry serves them.
>>130238483lmao.
I just don't think Furtwangler's Tristan und Isolde is all that special.
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLUR8EtXZQI&list=OLAK5uy_mb_WfS0l5k0IJqCNmL9otkOsFqwNTkgOk&index=17warning: genius
>>130238491https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFLKoho3Px0
>>130240356>>130240361I know it's gauche to admit to thinking any kind of marketing material is good, but this is a very good blurb. Gets me hyped.
>>130241454This looks more like it should be a cover for a Pulp album or something
>>130242738Slavs have no concept of camp or corny
>>130242771Ah, that explains Tchaikovsky.
>>130242771isn't that usually filed under poshlost
Test
Bach's Art of Fugue contains the secrets of the universehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCmFwRKBfXw&list=OLAK5uy_lc73WOIh126-w3tiYiG0XDt0HOxLNvxT8&index=1
Bach's Art of Fugue contains Wagner's unending melody, which was predestined in it.https://youtu.be/PEn5RJdj208
The 12 Beethoven Piano Sonata Cycles You Have to Have in Your LibraryThe most difficult cut was the Backhaus Decca set. I debated cutting Barenboim, Guy, or Buchbinder, but I loved the 4 classic, 4 modern, and 4 recent split along the 3 rows I have going on here. Sorry Backhaus. Anyway, hopefully this helps people.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MVbWNurZdI&list=OLAK5uy_l0G4ysfxJaw5g1r-J3khIyjGjikSN1VTM&index=24Fuck that Backhaus cut is gonna bug me... if only I could have 13, but then I'd have to make it 14, and that's just too long. Maybe I will one day.
>>130242983Absolutely retarded. Inspid. Schnabel is worth more than all of them combined. Not even Backhaus, lol. Any list with Arrau on it can be disregarded as a bait. You have no taste, man.
>>130242983Fuck, sorry, I just have to add Backhaus. Guess I'll add Kovacevich too. There, now it's 7 classic, 7 modern.>>130243018Schnabel, Schnabel, Schnabel. Get back to me when you've actually heard more than one set, kid.
>>130242983>Arrau>Barenboim
>end up on desert island with gf>me: sigh, I wish I had some music>her: oh I brought one of the Beethoven sets!>me: what!? lemme see!>she shows me and it's Schnabel's Beethoven set>me: sigh, I wish I had some music
What's the point of pretending Schnabel's Beethoven is bad
>>130243062What's the point of pretending any Beethoven set other than Schnabel's is good
>>130243055The thing about Barenboim is his approach is distinctive, and he does it very, very well. So any chart which aims to be more representative of the essential cycles rather than just "my favorite five" or "the best ten" ought to include it.And I do think it is very good. Would I have it as an everyday set? Hell no. But when I want that heavy, ponderous sentimentality, yeah, I'm glad it exists, and that Barenboim is at the helm (and that he didn't stop with his initial, slightly amateurish first EMI cycle from the 70s, the 90s is everything good from that one minus the faults and added polish, control, and mature conscientiousness).
>>130243096inflicting Barenboim's pianism on anyone cannot be called anything but sadism masquerading as objectivity
>>130243062For one, it's outdated (if I want a gotta go fast set, why wouldn't I listen to Kovacevich or Goodyear?). Hell, Schnabel wasn't even the best of his time (Backhaus was better). It's the set for people who want to look informed while not having to try more than one set; you'll notice the Schnabel folks are always the "and no need to even bother with anyone else!" types, and anyone like that with any top-tier composer can be disregarded immediately.
>>130243116my rebuttalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDev9dw1Vv4&list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0&index=100
>>130243116>>130243055sometimes I like when my Beethoven sounds like Chopin, sue me
>>130243120So you'll trust marketing copy on the basis of being charitable to consensus opinion and critical objectivity but suddenly received wisdom on a widely beloved "essential recording" can be headcanoned as empty posturing and not worthy of inclusion because you don't like the tone of Anonymous on 4chan dot org
Schnabel
>>130243120Holy mindbroken by Schnabel
I've seen more love for Schnabel's Beethoven here than I have from any other critic or expert. In fact, when I do see him mentioned, it's usually in a critical or even derisive context,>The hype around Beethoven didn't start yesterday. It is a product of the middle to late 19th century, when musician began to have an inkling of just how revolutionary (artistically speaking) Beethoven had been: how he changed the whole conception entertained by western civilisation of the nature of music. Remember that Hegel, an exact contemporary, still doubted that music was an autonomous art form!>The consequence was, that his Protean power. so persuasive and yet so uncomfortable for bourgeoise sensibilities, was subdivided. We know all about his three periods, and so on. Interpreters more or less followed suit: after all, they made a living out of him. When Schnabel, in Harold Schoenberg's headline, "invented" Beethoven, he created a caricature. He did not invent Beethoven, he drove the craze for originality to a quite unwholesome peak. I wonder how people could take this seriously, but they still do. The point I'm making here is that you are listening to Schnabel the pianist using Beethoven's music a a tightrope for his own dancing. No-one followed in him in this attitude; and just as well!>But he succeeded in obscuring the fact that Beethoven's true style was rather better represented, in his own era, by Wilhelm Backhaus. Many people always knew this; certainly the Decca people did. In consequence we have, in these recordings, a cycle of performances that are sane, stylistically secure, eschewing any exaggeration for mere effect and remaining unruffled by the cries of those who can't do without varnish and/or pretence. Stephen Kovacevich once said, "Wilhelm Backhaus was the only pianist who really understood Beethoven." I can go along with that.also>So you'll trust marketing copy on the basis of being charitable to consensus opinionstop tracking my IP!! mod abuse!!
>>130243191No one who actually knows their Beethoven piano sonata sets recommends Schnabel. Like I said, it's always those "there's only one set worth bothering with!" types, which is usually just a cover for their not wanting to branch out, and their clinging to a set mostly because it's old and decent so they feel it's a vestige from a lost halcyon era. Like those who feel Grumiaux was the only one who knew how to play Bach, and no one has ever figured it out again. At least Grumiaux is good.
...and then she said she didn't like Siegfried Idyll, so I dumped her ass!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIjesjmMq_g
>>130243215>because it's old and decent so they feel it's a vestige from a lost halcyon eraWrong. No one gives a rat's ass that it's old. What people value in Schnabel is the depth of his interpretations and artistry. The like of which has not been repeated by anyone.
>>130243253Look, if you wanna say Schnabel's is one of the best five or seven or ten, fine, I'll respect your opinion, even if I disagree, but when you say things like,>The like of which has not been repeated by anyone.that your list of worthwhile cycles is just the one, it makes me unable to take you seriously, particularly with regards to having actually tried a wide variety of different cycles.
>>130243196>>130243215If you've seriously never seen a critic swoon over Schnabel then that's your own lack of experience, although it's hardly difficult to find. Literally two of the first critics I find are doing so on a Google search:https://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-8547/>Schnabel, of course, does not need my endorsement, since critical consensus has taken care of that issue for decades. https://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2004/aug04/Beethoven_Schnabel.htm>Recommended with all possible enthusiasm to those who are prepared to forgo modern sound in the pursuit of musical truth.Unless you're implying Jed Distler doesn't know piano music your statement is plainly false. Speaking for myself, I don't really care about "essential recordings" lists since the writer's personal expression is generally much more interesting to me than attempts to distance oneself from one's own taste but it's absolutely absurd to make a Beethoven sonata cycles list with the idea of being purely objective and not include Schnabel, even more so because you have a complex about some posters on 4chan.
>>130243274Distler at least has several cycles on his reference recording list. Again, I'm fine with someone loving Schnabel; it's when their love of Beethoven's piano sonatas is confined solely to Schnabel that I become suspicious that they know what they're talking about.
>>130243293I don't care how you feel about anon's insufficiently cosmopolitan taste in Beethoven. If you're going to make an "objective" list of essential Beethoven sonata cycles then that feeling is one of the first things you should disregard.
>>130243274>but it's absolutely absurd to make a Beethoven sonata cycles list with the idea of being purely objective and not include Schnabel, even more so because you have a complex about some posters on 4chan.However one feels about the artistic quality, the sound quality removes it from consideration on any essentials list, in my opinion, especially when there are similar sets already on the chart (eg Backhaus, Gulda, Kovacevich).
Grimaud's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5mzYy3sfuw&list=OLAK5uy_ksDv4vTSQ12ZmCmAZ3zdkWpCX69bCTWCM&index=10
>>130243314Sound quality is a personal consideration that may influence you but does not make Schnabel any less essential by the critical consensus you claim to respect. And there's more to pianism than tempo. Absurd to act like Gulda can serve as Schnabel replacement when they're interpretatively quite distant.
Thoughts on Solti's Beethoven symphonies cycle?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6SNFBwDZVI&list=OLAK5uy_mfkKn0wwbAG_a90tWpqrCsADTRxOrznUA&index=17https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS_P8LLJDV4&list=OLAK5uy_mfkKn0wwbAG_a90tWpqrCsADTRxOrznUA&index=33https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-Gg4W3THGg&list=OLAK5uy_mfkKn0wwbAG_a90tWpqrCsADTRxOrznUA&index=37
>>130243357It's essential from my point-of-view. In addition to the dreadful sound quality, the performance itself never impressed me.>Absurd to act like Gulda can serve as Schnabel replacement when they're interpretatively quite distant.Fair, I just named him because he's on the faster side. Obviously it's not 1:1. But tempo is generally the first thing that makes-or-breaks an interpretation for a person, and of the original chart, which didn't include Backhaus, his is the 'fast classic' set. Of course, his interpretation is far superior to Schnabel's in my eyes,
>>130242983What website/etc did you use to create the chart?
>>130243382https://topsters.orgBe nice to see some other anons create some, though I do enjoy doing it myself! I image these Schnabel-anons will have only one set on their chart, so they have no need for the site at all...
>>130243357>>130243381In case my wording wasn't clear, I meant,>What's considered essential is 'essential from my point-of-view"It's not just a chart of critical consensus. I love each and every set on that chart (though some do warrant a re-listen, to see if my last positive response still holds).
>>130243387You can't upload images, you have to add each one individually from a link? What a pain.
>>130243420Yeah, the last time I had one like that I had to upload the cover to imgur first lolBut I mean, in 99.999% cases, you ought to be able to find your cover on discogs and Amazon. Takes a min, but hey, I enjoy creating /classical/ content! (on some days)
>>130243381>>130243409Picking and choosing what parts of critical consensus you respect while following your own headcanon about certain things makes the list useless. You said yourself:>So any chart which aims to be more representative of the essential cycles rather than just "my favorite five" or "the best ten" ought to include it.So is this supposed to represent the canonical essentials in Beethoven sonata cycles or merely express your preferences? It hardly needs saying that sound quality is not an impediment to the enjoyment of many classical enthusiasts and critics. It's worthless for someone who wants a genuinely comprehensive survey of Beethoven sonata cycles but also worthless for someone who wants an expression of specific taste and to understand what actually sets someone's soul on fire in this music.
>>130243449Like I said, it's those *I* consider essential. I love each set. If I don't love the set, it didn't make the cut. My point in that quote was I probably could have trimmed it down a bit more, but I wanted it to also be a bit representative, ie I don't consider the Say, Buchbinder, and Guy sets to be on the same level as Fischer, Kempff, and Arrau (though they are fantastic), but I still think everyone should try them. Same with Barenboim or Brendel. While I may not find them transcendent like some of the others, I still love them, and I think they're the kind of cycles many other people getting into Beethoven will love as well.
The essential recordings of Chopin's Twenty-Four Preludes Opus 28 according to me, Anthony Nonnington.>gold standard>für Liebhaber>für Kenner
>>130243683Diacard everything from here except Cortot and Moiseiwitsch. Especially Argerich, Katsaris and Platnev, avoid those at all costs.
>>130243767Don't know Chopin very well. What's wrong with Argerich? She gets recommended a lot.
>>130243778Judging by his recommending Cortot and Moiseiwitsch it seems that Argerich's set is faulty for not being old enough.
>>130243778>ArgerichTerrible. Cold. Technical perfection over organic bel-canto phrasing and expression. No hand independence. To play Chopin as intended, you must know Italian opera and Argerich doesn't.
>>130243683Nice! I'll check out the ones I haven't heard before, starting with Ann Schein. Always good to see new sets included on lists like these, the Pletnev.>>130243767::eyeroll::
I'm the Meistersingerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvcpy1IrWi0&list=OLAK5uy_lV-__iTHqwQ4MPjA_gVqfmF58ahyVFIKY&index=36
>>130243683Pollini is all you need from this list.Maybe Cortot.
>>130243778nothing, he's just retarded
Once again for the newer posters here: anyone who says for any well-known masterpiece (also referred to as the standard repertoire) "Only X set is worth listening to, all others suck" can be safely and promptly dismissed.
>>130243683why are you guys so obssessed with this entry-level piece of all things
>>130244460In classical, entry-level isn't a bad thing. The masterpieces rise to the top.
>>130244460Which piece should we be obsessed with?
>>130244475not really. we have plenty of underrated masterpieces by the great masters. even Chopin has 3 piano sonatas far more interesting than Op. 28.
Nocturnes > Preludes > Etudes > Ballades > Concertos > Sonatas > Waltzes > rest
>>130244496>chopin piano sonata 1 is better than the 24 preludesdismissedit's unanimously beloved, check pic, ranked 4th!!all of the greatest masterpieces in classical warrant performing and exploring a multitude of interpretations
>>130244541>talkclassicalare you being serious
>>130244551Truly ridiculous. Obviously the only place on the internet whose opinion you can trust is this one.
>>130244551I mean is it a bad ranking? I'm sure it's not perfect to your standards, but it's a good overview and reference for how the classical community at-large feels about a piece
>>130244535Ballades > sonatas >> rest of the piano / keyboard literature.
>>130244541>No Chopin Nocturnes...
if Chopin was so good, why didn't he compose 32 piano sonatas?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYONTFkgXmo
>>130244727Op. 9 makes the first appearance at #43
>>130244746Cause he only needed 3.
>>130244795:Ohmm, based
I can just imagine some of you Schnabel anons meeting a famous classical pianist at a dinner, and when they bring up they're currently working on a new Beethoven piano sonatas cycle, you exclaim "but why? Schnabel already perfected it a hundred years ago, you're wasting your time and leading people astray"smdhhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gwFKenGixs&list=OLAK5uy_nw7N6BAkN4FH8YXmotmx040VoLsCXXp5c&index=37
Lohengrin dayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3GCeUtGjk0&list=OLAK5uy_mmii88mLF6KhtKMfzavocnnXzosh7zE5g&index=1
>>130242983Lots of mediocre pianism
>>130245044Well, you're never gonna agree with any list of 12-14 100%
y'all know I'm still on that Boccherini kick, dawghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kiiv-WmV26U
>Orchestral Art of FugueWhy did no one tell me this existed. I discovered it through Karl Münchinger's Bach Christmas oratorio CD my mother randomly got.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrrYGJ3jNeM
>>130246144lol I made a very similar post a couple years back. Yeah it's a pretty great recording. I still overall prefer it on piano, then string quartet, but it's nice that it exists for when you want it.
>>130246158>I made a very similar post a couple years back. Really? I'm curious, can you find it?>I still overall prefer it on piano, then string quartet, but it's nice that it exists for when you want itI think orchestral might become my favorite, as per usual. Unless a piece is composed specifically for the piano (or string quartet) and with piano in mind, I'll always prefer orchestral renditions. It always brings more out of the music.
>>130246202I thought I had did the "why did no one tell me this existed" for it like I normally do but guess I didn't :(https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/122635796/#122649131
>>130246202And fair enough. I suppose I just really love the sound of the piano. Plus you get more variety of interpretations that way.
>>130246260Lol. Why did you delete the post though
>>130246339It just says that because it's archived/old.
>>130246345Nah the trash symbol means you or jannies deleted it.
>>130246355you sure?>>122649131test
>>130246355>>130246369hmm I don't think I did. maybe because it's 2 years old. or maybe the thread itself was deleted because of spam, that happened a lot at the time. idk lol
>>130246378maybe you got the "delete all by IP" treatment for something else
>>130246387me, banned? never!
Ngl I never came around Bach's choral works except a few movements and few recordings. Sigh, wish I could enjoy them but after all this time it's time to give up.
>>130241375and you're right
I'm listening to Grisey's Les espaces acoustiques right now and it's giving me a headache.
>>130246455Not even the Mass in B minor? I can understand having issues with the SMP and SMJ because of all the dull recitatives but everyone loves masses.
>>130246687I haven't heard it before but this is a neat post about it,https://articulatesilences.wordpress.com/2012/10/11/les-espaces-acoustiques-gerard-grisey/>Gérard Grisey’s manifesto as a composer was as unassuming as it was transformative: “music is made with sounds, not with notes.” Whilst this simple statement may initially appear somewhat aphoristic, Grisey’s observation represents a subtle, yet pertinent, repositioning of compositional approach. It was from this starting point that the French composer began to mine the depths of texture and harmony contained within individual sounds. In developing what is now termed “spectral music”, Grisey created an innovative, yet strikingly lucid and accessible, compositional style, simultaneously eschewing the occasionally esoteric tendencies of the European avant-garde as well as minimalism’s increasingly post-modern nature.>Grisey’s largest ever undertaking, Les espaces acoustiques was composed sporadically in the period from 1974 to 1985 and remains perhaps the fullest realisation of his musical vision. In composing the piece Grisey undertook detailed analyses of sound spectra. These are the unique combinations of frequencies that manifest themselves as timbre, accounting for the distinction between, for example, a middle-C played on a piano and the same note played on a violin. Following this process of analysis, Grisey was able to mimic closely various sounds using groups of instruments, a technique that he called “instrumental synthesis”. A prominent example of the technique occurs at the opening of Les espaces acoustiques’s third movement ‘Partiels’; a low E on the trombone is followed by a collection of woodwinds and strings playing the frequencies from the sound’s spectrum, imitating the colour and timbre of the brass instrument in a shivering halo of sound.Now, it's not anything I'd actually ever listen to, but it's neat knowing this stuff exists, and using it as inspiration for other art and music.
This is the most perfect and sublime execution of the ending of Siegfried I've ever heard.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDnzNh_18LQ&list=OLAK5uy_kzSmwn1uwTwFuoE5Jnb3ckAMaY1FTLJnU&index=105https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqmYZZD98KE&list=OLAK5uy_kzSmwn1uwTwFuoE5Jnb3ckAMaY1FTLJnU&index=106https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxAwUG9OZ00&list=OLAK5uy_kzSmwn1uwTwFuoE5Jnb3ckAMaY1FTLJnU&index=107James Levine is so good.
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69_XPvYc2tI&list=OLAK5uy_mze-zgZc2z6PmZGPmnSfK0sW3RAISId44&index=26
Simone Dinerstein's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBN_5l8Cu08&list=OLAK5uy_kvEqiY--3u2HlLqLvMVK56CbL1wDzOYFo&index=6
If Mendelssohn wasn't a J, the classical industry wouldn't have falsely propped him up as a first-rate symphonist.
>>130247396He's not only a first-rate symphonist but one of the greatest all-round composers.
>>130243363Listened to the fifth one (my favorite), sounds normal. Wouldn't be able to pick up this recording out of a lineup honestly.
>>130246791SMP is way better than Mass in B minor.>>130245003His "armor" is hilarious.
>>130246880Too slow.
>>130243120Schnabel's isn't really a 'gotta go fast' set, the fact that you have that misconception pretty much leads me to conclude you haven't heard much of it. He's pretty normal tempo wise for many of the works, there's just a few exceptions like his Hammerklavier where he tried to respect Beethoven's metronome markings, but not even really fully, just in the first and last movement mostly. He completely ignores them in the third movement. And, even if he was a 'gotta go fast' pianist, I still wouldn't compare him to someone like Goodyear that has a pretty metronomic sense of tempo. One of the reasons that Schnabel's Hammerklavier is so well liked despite all the wrong notes is that, while it's adherant to Beethoven's metronome markings in the first and last movement, it isn't obsessively so, and he's quite flexible and sensitive by comparison to a time beater like Goodyear. >you'll notice the Schnabel folks are always the "and no need to even bother with anyone else!" types, and anyone like that with any top-tier composer can be disregarded immediately.Well, I certainly don't think that way. But as an entire set I do value Schnabel quite a bit. I think, more to the point, no one pianist can do justice to all of Beethoven's piano works, so I dislike sets on principle. I must prefer to sift through individual performances and determine which ones seem to be the best, you'll get a much better collection that way. For instance, Annie Fischer's Hungaraton recording, while quite good as a set, is something I rarely turn to because I prefer to listen to the few sonatas she recorded for EMI, which was not only recorded better but was done on a much better, less dry piano. Same could be said of Gulda.
I like max richter's solo piano stuffwho else should I check out?
>>130245433For me it's the Boccherini cuck chair album
>>130250988but what about the music, lad?
>>130251132we don't talk about music here.
>>130250988>a chair, any chair, regardless of context, even if it's in a blank, featureless void, is a cuck chair.These are the machinations of the mind of a cuck>>130251146cuck self-reported
>refuses to elaborate further.
>>130251132Ranges from pleasant to sublime.
>>130251375I'll take it. The flute stuff is great but I think it's the string quartets and especially quintets where it's at
>>130251298This is just gibberish.
>>130251404Schoenberg was saying that every chord is in C-major, but some are more remote from the centre than others.
>>130251401I'm still discovering Boccherini, but so far I think these flute quintets as a whole are better than everything else he's written, apart from the quintets Op. 13. Those are peak.
is Boccherini worth getting into? is the Brilliant Classics edition a good collection to start with?
>>130248169You're probably right. I think I'm coming around to the 'faster tempo is better' side of things.
waltz haters deserve the rope.
>>130251454Start with Quartetto Italiano's Boccherini.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFqX73zVums
>>130251454>is Boccherini worth getting into?Yes.
>>130251542Barcarolle underraters more so
Listen to Polonaise-fantaisie.
Is Borge actually playing any music from Mozart or is it just a parody?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG2mHwmd7PY
>>130252102Correcthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-H8JFjG7eI&list=OLAK5uy_l-i0M3dpD6pYNaBz0BDeeD_aISmB2WyF8&index=7
It's timehttps://litter.catbox.moe/nqpcge6o9y1e0pyi.flac
>>130251298+
>>130252541>content unavailable>*try vpn*>content unavailabletf?
>>130252993:/sorry. works for me in the US
>>130252102okhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VwPJf3rJyA
Boccherini is worth getting into.
>>130253266indubitably.
>>130251542I love Austrian light opera (Lehar and sigmund Romberg) and waltz music of the same era yet I’d never admit that here cause I feel like a pleb.
