What went wrong?
rise of poptimism
>>130242011I'd assume M*llenials had something to do with it.
>>130242187absolutelyI so hope that anon from picrel is fully aware of all his deadly sins today
>>130242011They let the culture be dictated by rich liberal urbanites in a few cities that didn't represent most of America.
The global recession back in 2008 made record companies clamp down on what got into the mainstream, and it was basically a race to the bottom in terms of talent while trying to promote individual artists instead of bands because they're easier to keep on a leash. The coincided with poptimism which was basically an attempt to lower critical standards so these same easy to control artists would receive high critical praise so normalfaggots felt like what they were listening to was "art". The end result was a musical environment with a few individual artists being huge for pretty much the entire decade while putting out mediocre forgettable music that was praised as being earth-shattering and incredible. The indie scene was also slowly eaten away until by the end of the decade there wasn't a coherent scene anymore so much as just randos putting out whatever while getting pretty much no attention. Things stopped bubbling up from the underground and everything got frozen in time.
>>13024201110-15 was fine, music was fun and only jaded rockbums hated it because their guitarslop got replaced with dubstep and house in the mainstream2016 is when zoomers became teenagers and started obsessing over ghetto mumble rap
>>130242335>10-15 was fine, music was fun and only jaded rockbums hated it because their guitarslop got replaced with dubstep and house in the mainstream
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>>13024233510-15 sucked but not because of dubstep or house, it was because of the completely excessive use of autotune of "Whoa oh oh" being used in the chorus of songs.
>>130242011Zoomers.
>>130242348not an argument
>>130242371Don't forget how many songs were a man in a high-pitched voice singing an overly saccharine song over either an acoustic guitar or backing vocals. In retrospect as much as people complained about dubstep back then it was like the least-bad thing going on in mainstream music.
>>130242348Also dubstep, etc. was for a specific brand of rich urbanite yuppie much like the industry jamming disco down everyone's throat in the late 70s when that was also for rich urbanite yuppies.
It sucked because people born between 1994 and 1996 wearing dumb shoes and drinking monster energy and smelling like ass, doing scene kid hair even though scene died before they hit puberty, and dubstep.
>>130242371>>130242410based, dubstep was kino>>130242416cringe hiphop Xer
>>130242401All I'm saying was rock and whatnot never actually died for a large part of the country that didn't live in specific urban enclaves inhabited by people who drink craft beer and lived in an overpriced loft with exposed brick walls while unironically using the word "adulting."
>>130242371>>130242410>Song from 2010 - 2015 ish comes on the radio>"IT'S HAPPY HAPPY PARTY TIME TONIGHT TONIGHT PARTY TIME TONIGHT TONIGHT WHOA OH OH WHOA OH OH WHOA OH OH"
>>130242445it died in the mainstream
>>130242416I'm sorry you were too old to appreciate peak spongebob
https://youtu.be/MJlo0hWnZWc?si=bnU_8qEyOAjejPqq
>>130242467Not beating the allegations
>>130242459no you're not getting the point. i said the audience for rawk didn't go away or anything the industry just stopped making anything for it.
>>130242637are you replying to the right guy? i was agreeing with you, retard.
>>130242637I remember seeing some breakdown of music genres by how much they were streamed and by age group, and rock was like the #1 or #2 genre for every single group including the youngest ones. But the average age of the songs being listened to for rock was like 40 years while the rest with 10 - 15 years. It's honestly really weird how rock still clearly has a market but nothing gets made for it in the mainstream.
>>130242413It was never not like that. The 70s were no different, what do you think the audience for singer-songwriters and AOR was but upper middle class suburbanites. the main diff is that 2010s audiences had exceptionally horrible tastes.
>>130242011stomp clap hey
Literally the dark ages. My theory is that millenial culture of irony and hipsterism killed all the subcultures.I remember people telling me "heh, you are still into that? i used to listen to that shit when i was 15" with the snidest attitude, now those same people are begging to gig with me because they suddenly came back into it again after years.
>>130242712Industrial was popping the fuck off in the 2010s actually. It was a respite for alt people.
>>130242665Because everything's been done. How are you gonna innovate rock music in 2026?
>>130242695>the main diff is that 2010s audiences had exceptionally horrible tastes.The main difference is that you're old so you think the slop of the 90s was good while old people in the 90s said the 90s fucking suck and 70s were peak.
>>130242749nta but what constitutes 90s slop in this context?
>>130242737That's a fool's question because in truth the musical concepts set down in the 50s-60s are still how everything works today like having a 4/4 syncopated beat.
>>130242786rap
>>130242786Mariah Carey says hi?
>>130242310thanks ChatGPT
The 90s was a niggaboo decade
>>130242695and we never had a song like "Say You Say Me" criticizing 80s yuppies
>>130242737Rap today is literally older than rock was when rock fell out of the mainstream, it's hardly innovated in years either, but is still popular in the mainstream somehow. The masses don't really care that much about innovation.
>>130243276rap is basically kaput now though
>>130243276Only teenagers still think rap is tuff because all the ghetto migrants in school listen to it.
>>130242289never happened. i bet you also think wokeshit was real.
>>130242637I was saying the industry decided to cater mostly to liberal urbanite yuppie Millenials back then.
>>130242011Nothing. Lots of great music during that decade. Don't give a shit about the pleb and mainstream stuff for which you guys condemn the whole period.
>>130242011Hipsters
>>130243482This. https://youtu.be/nZh5tq_55FE?si=_BU2GghyiAJeMLPo
>>130243013Fuck you faggot I actually typed that shit out, not every post with some detail to it is AI you fucking retard. God you piss me off so bad I could shit fire ants.
>>130243947You're obviously new here so I'll help explain. Anon was shitting you on for making a terrible post with no original thought or valuable contribution to anything. You put in effort for no gain. Your posting is a metaphor for your life.
>>130243995God I am LITERALLY SHITTING fire ants right now I'm so mad fuck you too. God I am angry and SHITTING.
>>130242187Fuck off zoomoid nigger. It's all your generation's fault.
Why are zoomers obsessed with millennials? They have a hate boner for us it's funny and also sad.
>>130244037They confuse Millennials with Gen X and blame thing Gen X does on Millennials. Like how every "Millennial writing" writer is actually Gen X. They think we have more power than we do.
>>130242011wdym??!https://youtu.be/NTxtioXVZQE?si=HJbv3_CGPJ2bZz2x
I never saw a mall hipster in my life back then.
>>130244051lmao this, joss whedon is a literal Xoomer and yet his writing style is "millennial" for some reason
>>130242011Normies sought a mental escape from the post-2008 gloom in fake giggly feelgood culture, with people cavorting on paved streets with straw hats, jumping with joy in the sun, taking selfies in touristy areas, travellingWhen they were cutting down on expenses, living frugal, paying subscriptions for everything instead of buying and having nothing to hope for. They were living vicariuously through their pop idols like Taylor Swift, One Direction, Bruno Mars
i miss when we had synths that sounded gigantic and basses that sounded like they wanted to eat youeverythings so soft now
>>130243482bumping your post because this board is full of retards and I hate them all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbafd6UV3w4
3rd worlders getting internet access.
>>130244037The whole boomer, x, millennial, zoomer shit is so fucking played out and gay. I can't go 2 hours consuming shit on the internet without seeing a post or a video talking about some dynamic between these two groups. It's just such lazy content.
>>130242011https://youtu.be/TxGehuY59sM?si=sQhK_v28XAsrhtCR
>>130244911>>130244997based
complextro was the best genre ever
>>130244051They envy us.
Poke’Mon Y’s mascot is Yveltal. X had Xerneas. Z had Zygarde.That means Gen Y and Gen Z is better than Gen X. Yvetal’s ability is Dark Aura. Xernea’s ability is Fairy Aura… fairy aura, nigga. Zygarde’s ability is Aura Break.Once again, Gen X is gay as hell. Sorry.
>>130242665Rock is dominated by 40-year-old songs because it was the #1 genre for so long that anything "new" has been done already, so now its listeners mostly just stick to what they already know they like. Other genres still have room to experiment so people are more likely to be plugged into the new releases.
>>130247309anon I wanna agree with you so fucking hard but the fairy type beats both dark AND dragon so by this logic we're fuckedyou'd have an easier time just calling them faggots or trannies for liking pink-ass gay pokémon like fairy types
>>130247496Thank you for the answer, ChatGPT. We appreciate it.
>>130247515But fairy type sounds gay and Xerneas is the least cool and everybody knows that’s what matters
>>130242011The Internet and the iPhone made music more accessible to idiots, which destroyed traditional gatekeeping and taste making. The Internet also destroyed music magazines' ability to make money and radio station became less relevant. They reacted to the flood of imbeciles online and the decline of print media by pretending stupid pop whores like Taylor Swift and Beyonce were the second comings of Christ.tl;dr the Internet, but especially the iPhone
>>130242310The iPhone predates the recession. It was the iPhone. The iPhone also ruined live music because shows became less about connecting with the artist and the crowd, and more about showing your followers on social media that you're the type of person who goes to concerts.
I went to a backyard gig in 2004 when I was 14. Basically every freshman and sophomore in my school showed up. It’s wild to think no one was standing around with a phone in their hand. Just hordes of teenagers, many just eating pizza and vibing around a fire pit or moshing to our local four-piece pop punk band. No YNs, no guns, no knives. No mogging. No clout chasing. Although, one kid got his front teeth knocked up to the roof of hus mouth.Sigh.
>>130247653The iphone didn't even exist for a year before the recession happened and was an expensive novelty. Smartphones in general didn't fully catch on until the early 2010s. Don't be daft.
>>130247496That doesn't explain the persistent popularity of rap which is also a non-innovative genre at this point and is older than rock was when it fell out of fashion. We already talked about that ITT. Hell Pop's been almost completely stagnant since the early 2010s and is still going strong.
>>130247881Rap is also falling off now. We're just in a weird transitional period because the next dominant genre hasn't emerged yet, unlike how rap was ready to take over from rock, and rock was ready to take over from jazz/standards.
>>130247653The iPhone was a very limited-release product for years when it came out. Smartphones didn't reach mass saturation until around 2012.While social media has caused a lot of societal ills, it's also tough to say it's had an entirely negative impact on music when so many artists got discovered through MySpace, YouTube, Soundcloud, or the blogosphere.
>>130247823sounds like one fuckass house party ngl. that shit over unc and we the future
>>130247925we will REVTRN to Jazz and Classical just w8 we will have another top tier musical era.
>>130248205>sounds like one fuckass house party ngl. that shit over unc and we the futureand the future is staying in your room on the weekends.
>>130247925>unlike how rap was ready to take over from rocksince when was rap ever the dominant genre?
>>13024241680-84 used to be called Gen Y, the tail end of Gen X, but differentiated due to growing up with computers and coming of age with the internet. When we were little, our older brothers listened to hair metal. We were in grade school with grunge was a thing. Our middle and high school years saw the rise of nu-metal. We saw the last gasps of heavy music during the 2000's but we didn't know it.
>>130247971People had camera phones for years before the iPhone, but the iPhone was an inflection point that accelerated an existing trend.
tail end of gen x is responsible for ruining the internet
>>130248849I'm assuming your talking to me, and I'm not going to disagree with you.
>>130248860Yeh, i was. And good. I’m glad we can agree. ;-)
>>130248873We fucked shit up so damn bad. It feels like we just kind of stumbled through our lives, half-assing everything. I mean, what is Gen Y's contribution to music? Stomp-clap-hey? Fucking kill me.
>>130248907Well, I mean I’m not blaming Gen Y. I agree with the idea that the Millennial archetype is actually 1988-1992. They seem to be the cohort that melded with technology the way its creators would have predicted. The real tech wizards are actually the baby boomers who made personal computing possible. Someone born around 1990 would’ve have experienced the peak of their labor from a very young age, which is the major distinction. Gen X were older when they started using the internet, and they made the internet worse by trying to make the internet’s social aspects even more casualized. Tom Anderson made Myspace. Mark Zuckerberg is the poster child for Xennial cringe. The narcissism of the internet can be blamed entirely on late Gen X. Personally, I was content to have a simple AOL profile and peruse chatrooms/forums. Everything went to shit when friend groups were treated like Poke’mon lineups and everyone had main character syndrome. Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton, and every faggy nepo baby’s unearned fame was made possible by what Gen X did to the internet/media, and for all intents and purposes, early 80s babies are distinctly different from core Millennials. They even created stomp clap.
All of the bad things you associate with the 2010s were already percolating in the 90s. As they say, always look to today's underground for what Top 40 will look like in 15 years.
>>130242665>and rock was like the #1 or #2 genre for every single group including the youngest ones. But the average age of the songs being listened to for rock was like 40 years while the rest with 10 - 15 years. It's honestly really weird how rock still clearly has a market but nothing gets made for it in the mainstream.Liking a genre of music =/= being able to perform that genre of music.
>>130249062Zoom zooms don’t have an underground scene
>>130249062Meaning a lot of what became 2010s buttindie was forming in the 90s. Neutral Milk Hotel, Archers of Loaf, Cat Power, etc were all an unfortunate sign of what was to come.
I'll happily take the over optimistic '10's over this piece of shit pessimistic era
>>130249062also did Taylor Suck ever do anything that wasn't dime store Tori/Alanis/LeAnne?
Zooms don’t want underground scenes because they’re anti gatekeeping and anti bullying. They have also made a monoculture of 90s and 2000s music and fashion, a random unholy mix of black, emo/scene, latino culture
>>130249062FUCK YES! INCELCORE WILL RISE
>>130242011FUCKING, GAYYYYYYYY PEOOOOPLE
>>130249476You literally can't gatekeep anything anymore because everything is online. What are zoomers going to do, create zines and magically make college radio a thing again?
>>130242712>>130243568correct
>>130249729You can. Plenty of obscure artists on Spotify that I gatekeep by not talking about them.
>>130249786They're all shitty rap or zoomer breaks I bet
>>130249871Nah, it’s mostly doomgazey alt rock with some light nu-metal influences. One band in particular has really exploded since I found them, but I’m hoping they don’t get too big. Currently at 300k monthly.
Hipsters. Glad they finally got blocked from pop culture for this decade.
>>130250175Yes, the recent pop culture is so much better than it ever was before. This is the cultural high water mark of modern times.
>>130242187Look in the mirror faggot. We fucked up in 2016 - 2019. Like think this through dude.>Semetary>Lil Pump>Smokepurpp>Lil Mosey>Bhad Barbie>Lil Yachty>Yabujin>Lil TeccaTons more I can't think of right now.>>130242011Rock becoming stagnant, rigid poptimist journalism, dealing with a flood of content from finding music online and Trap being cemented as the dominant mainstream music.
>>130242011nothing. it was a great decade for music. way better than the 2000s
2005 to 2015 was the real peak
>>130250729Cringe culture as well that one's a killer. Leafyishere, Memeulous, Pyrocynical and all that basically kick-started the apocalypse.
>>130248907>what is Gen Y's contribution to music?BlackgazeTrap MetalCloud RapVaporwaveEmo RapBubblegum BassHyperpopBrostepFuture FunkWitch House Sasscore? (fake microgenre but The Blood Brothers were Millennials don't know if other bands were)Swancore? (another fake microgenre but Dance Gavin Dance were Millennials)there's probably some more I probably forgot or don't know about.
post-relevance
>>130246646thishttps://youtu.be/ihBFoctxq2w?si=wVWuSbj-MisarnDa
>>130242011>What went wrong?ubiquitous use of social media destroyed western popular culture
>>130244015Zoomers were like 10 at the time buddy
>>130251854the oldest Zigger was 19 in 2016 when soundcloud rap blew up with lil pump and 69
>>130249786They're not obscure if they're on Spotify.
>>130242011Does anyone here have opinions on the worst year for music? I'm sure we can find a year in this decade.
>1900-1999What went wrong?
>>1302521342000 happened
And also, 19-2000 happenedhttps://youtu.be/WXR-bCF5dbM
>>130251970Somewhere between 2018 and 2023 imo. I think 2024 and 2025 were surprisingly strong.
>>130251871you're acting like millennials had great musical achievements
>>130252338https://youtu.be/AbB3z2fZ7PM?si=cArtOVXypykXAO3m
>>130252338https://youtu.be/hxv-tu_LeJ8?t=52
>>130252338https://youtu.be/0mVck88W01I?si=QHFJK1UQJvuKxPPo
>>130252415>>130252444Since we’re posting bullshit examples, let me just outdo you both first the entirety of the thread.https://youtu.be/4bEDM4bsfWg
>>130251970I'd say some point in the early 50s or early 2020s. The early 50s were fucking abysmal in their own way.
>>130252453my examples were well liked and listened to yours was made fun of back then alreadyhttps://youtu.be/3mC2ixOAivA?si=jA-LbRvduU15Md2h
>>130252466I hate you for posting this shit
>>130252493seethe, this is what we all likedhttps://youtu.be/HBxt_v0WF6Y?si=Oc7JxwlV_XigSGeo
>>130242011Nothing went wrong.
>>130244037They're seething that we went to parties and had sex.
>>130252543>>130252557thishttps://youtu.be/3U72hzeBLOw?si=SWG2n_363kwMPYlo
>>130252502No it’s fucking not. This is top 40 cancer.
>>130252572>This is top 40it was top 40 because we millennials liked this soundhttps://youtu.be/i3Jv9fNPjgk?si=o4zyKJwU9gTywWoj
>>130252563This song paid for my first car.Or rather.Events this song was central to.You can make absolute BANK off Niki Minaj chicks looking to buy cocaine cause they wanted to feel cool and were probably pimping themselves out already so a bespoke blend of ingredients optimized for margin benefitted both parties.
>>130252458>The early 50s were fucking abysmal in their own wayi mean, mainstream pop was pretty poor but there was all that amazing jazz, blues, country, etc stuff going on.
>>130243276Could I be because people who listen to modern rap are unironically retarded, so everything is novel to them, in the same way that a dog is always excited about the same meal every day of its life?
>>130243276>>130253060No joke I've considered heckling people for listening to rap and calling it "old grandma shit" the way people were talking about rock in the early 10s just to see how they'd respond. It's closing in on being 50 years old in the mainstream now, the original rappers are either in or approaching their 70s.
>>130253112black people don't process time the same way white people do to them the past and future don't really exist
>>130253282white people are the ones who listen to rap the most
>>130242011the culture. they killed it. sucked the blood right out.https://www.bitchute.com/video/8GffNizSnCnc
>>130242335TRVKEOnly miserable rockists hated the first 5 years, hating the rap shit that followed was valid though.
