Vierne editionhttps://youtu.be/yraHqXmZrmYThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130238442
>not Respectvul Edition
>>130261748i was tempted but seemed a touch too meanspirited. let his shame die with the old thread.
>>130261756Nothing shameful about knowing your grammar.
>>130261773You people don't deserve grammar
>>130261773Respectively, anon is the least grammatical faggot of his time on 4chan
respectfully
It's a little funny being a giant Wagnerfag and Brahmsfag and frequently watching those two camps bare their fangs at one another like the war of the romantics is still on.
Do you guys never get any type of fatigue from classical? I'm not a genre purist so I like mixing it with some jazz from time to time, yes, I know, blasphemy as per this thread but I do not care, changing things from time to time is necessary.
shota choir!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llMd5s7Uv-U
If a cycle is released in a deliberate order, with an intentional choice of pieces per release, is it wrong to force it into the original chronological order? Should you only listen to the performer's recording in their intended order?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak6sB--YW_U&list=PL1SpRo3T8UMa_VXRiJ0RhXa7hXNUar-MU&index=83
>respectively metldownFunniest /classical/ spergout in months, maybe years. Lmfao. Why did no one bother to chime AI in the convo? >>130262081There's so much variety in the so-called "classical music" that it's impossible to get a fatigue imho. It's not a genre, it's several centuries worth of serious music.
>>130262081Even rock, jazz, or "electronic" aren't single, coherent genres. Classical music is next level in that context. The common practice period alone spans a good 300 years of extremely varied music, with hundreds of genres, forms, instruments, and dozens of styles. I lock in on a particular category or composer for weeks or months on end, then switch things up. If I ever get fatigued, I'll literally kill myself.
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>>130262081Not really because it's not a 'genre' in the conventionally used meaning but more a retroactive construction that covers most serious music in Western history. That's not to say I never listen to non-classical, but I don't get fatigued by classical because it's so vast that there's always something that fits what I'm looking for.
>>130262081This mixes it up for me
>>130262722I love classical
>>130262722Boobatishvilli
He always looks so smug
Are you allowed to only like one bit of a classical piece? Like one movement or d en one part of a movement?
>>130262081Yes quite a lot, even earlier today it just wasn’t doing it for me at all, just all seemed so nothing:
>>130266010It's a free country.
Thanks to yesterdays discussion I am now listening to Schumann. His piano works moggs Liszt's weird he gets so madly disrespected.
>>130266047>>130266047Well that's just plain wrong-
>>130266047Well that's extraordinarily correct-
>>130266373Respectfully, no.
>>130261740Vierne has some of the best character pieces for organ I've ever heard.
>>130265525It doesn't get any more smug than a posh Brit. They're by far the most pompous creatures in the universe. I wish a slow and painful death upon all of them tbqhwy.
>>130266047Talking about Clara btw.
is it worth buying classical music records or not? do you pirate or do you actually buy? I was thinking of buying the records I hold dear.
>>130267149Worth? Depends on what you value about it. Also some records are out of print so you couldn't buy them if you wanted to.
>>130267167fair point. worth as in is it worth the money? at the end of the day collecting records is just a hobby, music matters the most.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpJ8lVQDuqk&list=OLAK5uy_maEaXiMqip-zEReEQgbE8mag-oLJaqTi0&index=12
>>130266010You'll come around to liking the whole for most pieces if you listen several times carefully, but yeah sometimes only a movement or two clicks and the rest don't. Although it's rare. I couldn't think of an example desu, but I'm sure there are some. The closest I can think of is Beethoven's and Bruckner's 7ths, great first two movements, don't care much about the last 2.
>>130266010why wouldn't you be allowed? It's normal to like some parts more than the others and it's normal to completely dislike some parts, it's a subjective experience.
I really don't understand tone rows. Do you have to play out the tone row and then just repeat it?
>>130266010what do you mean "allowed"? who the fuck is going to stop you? autists are so stupid, God
>>130267919Is that a yes?
>>130267955shut the fuck up
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No.9 in E Major, Op. 14 No.1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQe5Rn6PxeM&list=OLAK5uy_nGU7oFne5jdfUe7m9d4b43MNRliYsHcjk&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No.13 in E-Flat Major, Op. 27 No.1 "Sonata quasi una fantasia"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wcmCe_V23g&list=OLAK5uy_nGU7oFne5jdfUe7m9d4b43MNRliYsHcjk&index=5start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No.29 in B-Flat Major, Op. 106 “Hammerklavier”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSc3WCNkcAs&list=OLAK5uy_nGU7oFne5jdfUe7m9d4b43MNRliYsHcjk&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nGU7oFne5jdfUe7m9d4b43MNRliYsHcjk>Pianist Jonathan Biss continues his nine-year, nine-disc recording cycle of all of Beethoven's piano sonatas. In addition to the monumental "Hammerklavier" sonata, this album includes Op. 14, No. 1 and Op. 27, No. 1. As a performer who also teaches and writes about Beethoven, Jonathan has decided to approach the full cycle thematically rather than chronologically, for which decision he has been praised, in addition to the praise that he has received for his sharp technique and deep sincerity.
>>130267903Pretty much, yeah.
>>130267964oh...ok
currently playing. I love me some old recordings
>>130268054>Furtwangler's Mahler:OI might have to check this out.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGPXqo5hgUY&list=OLAK5uy_mszgIVYQ_h-8BBskJ3KwFqo9Xi6n5UW9c&index=5
>>130268129I wonder if he found a way to make it sound good.
>>130267999I saw this faggot play a Mozart piano concerto and he was pretty good.
>>130267149>>130267190Completely up to you. For me, it's not worth it. Maybe if I had more money I'd think about it, but even then I consider them useless in the digital age, it's a waste of money and space.Some people value physical anyway, since it comes with art, liner notes and stuff, which is understandable.
>>130268054I'm not insulting the recording but that is a sickeningly boring cover
>>130268366A lot of labels which focus on releasing historical recordings solely use covers like that.
>>130267999Boring tempi
>>130262722Redhead ?https://youtu.be/M1YHLi_gQIQ?t=143
What chord would you call this E A D B?
>>130268544French women are more trouble than they're worth. But damn if she isn't a good soprano.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLs-Z47oFYw
>>130268513His approach is a more calculated, analytical Beethoven. Subdued, introverted, intelligent, gentle.
>>130268578E dominant seventh with a suspension.
>>130268589>intelligent>analyticalThat's blatantly wrong since he doesn't understand that the first movement only really has its full effect at a fast tempo.
>>130268129it's pretty good considering its age.>>130268281you have a point tho...in this day and age, piracy is at its peak and easier than ever to obtain music in a decent format.
Forget that other post was a major botch what I really meant to say was what would you call a chord that was G# B E Eb
>>130268649Emaj7
>>130268600Not that anon, but you mean the incomplete dominanth 9th? It would be the D - 2E - 3(suspension)A - 6 (the 9th) B - 7 (leading tone) I think that's also correct, isn't it?Can you explain what makes it E dominant seventh?
>>130268803E - A (suspension) - B - D
>>130268693Kind of an emaj7 in disguise
>>130268837Oh right, I see that, thanks. It would depend on the context then, either E dominant seventh or incomplete G dominant ninth (missing fifth, suspended 7th, if such a thing is ever used)
"You Had a Mahler Phase. So Did Western Music."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHBAbI-EAM8Something feels very wrong about this video. If I'm ever out of the Mahler phase, please just kill me.
I got kicked out of Scriabin's diner because I said I wasn't feeling Hamelin's Scriabin Sonata 7
>>130269090saw this in my recommended but because I'm not dumb enough to click on obviously ragebaiting/purposefully annoying sounding titles and thumbnails, I didn't watch itnot even that into Mahler myself, this video is probably just worthless
>>130269090This is a horrible video and inaccurate in so many ways I don't even know where to beginActually feels like AI slop
25 minutes in - which movement of Shostakovich's Leningrad symphony is it? I know its the Leningrad but I just don't remember which movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJyi2BJnmO4
>>130269119>He didn't get a chance to eat Scraibin's borscht
>>130270195first mov
>>130271055Thx
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIokzBQEnTQ&list=OLAK5uy_kUP-RmUyD-0Hk7GHZltqtQfX3sYOgFZ8Q&index=24
Best recording of Dvorak 8?
>>130272216There are lots of fantastic recordings of Dvorak's last three symphonies, but if I had to choose one, maybeDohnanyihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQxf94hrpyYas backup, Karajanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26jODXliLWQand let's have one new one in Belohlavekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rgtOXSrU3I&list=OLAK5uy_kSK2NFPnxuKtS48iBHnBiar7DGNJkt-wM&index=37
>>130261740what classical music uses relatively complex/jazz chords such as add9, minor7, major 7, major 9, etc.? not used for atonal/dissonance. bonus points if it came before the 20th century. not just standard dominant 7ths or diminished 7ths.for example, debussy’s arabesque and satie’s gymnopedies
>>130268635>>130268054>>130268129>male vocals:/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjLe2GyUFAs&list=OLAK5uy_mJ5IS-FucqhWXn2J63jBZa25kZC_HBI8A&index=2now we're talkin', or singin', rather
>tfw an English conductor has the best 21st century Ring cyclehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kLv3SGyjXg&list=OLAK5uy_nY-lbHnU4Bq_5VkF1L0PHAGxFr_NMyMo4&index=7
Sometimes I think Mozart's piano sonatas are overrated, sometimes I think they're underrated.
>>130272552Wagner.
>>130272216HoneckKubelikKarajan is good too but I prefer the live Tokyo one
>>130272727That's like saying you won the special olympics
>>130273051Until Luisi's new set blows us away in ten days.
>>130273035Why's everyone talking about this Honeck fellow? Is he the only good conductor alive or something?
>>130272740
this is amazing
>>130273745But bel canto schizo youtube channels told me Pavarotti has a bad tone, bad pronunciation and is metronomic.
>>130273764They're right, he's a hack.
>>130273764they have shit taste, just like >>130273781
>>130273781A hacking good singer, haha :)
>>130273789>>130273790>I'm retarded dilettante and I WON'T listen!
>>130273818If he sucks so bad, surely you can name 20 tenors better than him.
i have the day off. it's raining and it's a bit cold. currently playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AizyCCxLebk&list=RDAizyCCxLebk&start_radio=1peak comfy in bed and headphones on.
>>130273822nta but that's a really easy thing to do even if you love pavarotti. just think about how many tenors have been recorded between caruso and corelli.
Scriabi's Diner, subsequently Chuck's.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5rhZBCEvyg
So i tried getting into classical but that shit has no structure it feels like random notes and then like some parts are 27 seconds long and then something New happens for 6 seconds and so on like im actually glad the Beatles invented the 4x4 rule of music production because man classical just aint it
>>130274101melanated post.
>>130274105Oh and by the way there's "gullible" written on the ceiling.
>>130274105I listen to the modern equivalent of classical music and its a lot better
>>130274109there's no going back. this is the fate you chose.
>>130274125?
Imagine if we had the Art of Fugue, hell, whole WTC high-effort orchestrated like Schoenberg's st. Anne prelude&fugue and Stokowski's passacaglia and fugue in C minor AND recordings of them by someone like Mengelberg with the Concertgebouw Orchestra.Is there a better thing a man can imagine in the world of sounds?Maybe, a recording of Chopin performing his works.
>>130274171High effort orchestrations of the art of fugue do exist.
>>130274274Yeah, but not the overly romantic interpretations as far as I know. Which one's your favorite
>>130274290None of them. One of the features of good counterpoint is emergent harmony, and I think that the added timbral differences take away from that because they make the voices too distinct. The most I can tolerate in this regard is a string quartet or brass ensemble.
>>130274313Interestingly that's what I like about orchestral interpretations, I can hear and follow each voice clearly and hear nuance that I don't hear in ensambles and especially organ. Do you not like the Schoenberg/Bach st. Anne Fugue?
>>130274336Not really, to me it sounds like Schoenberg is just trying to show off everything he knows about orchestration, trying to cram as much as he can into the piece. And to be fair he does manage to pull it off, but it's just not for me.
>>130274171>Is there a better thing a man can imagine in the world of sounds?The debut of Tristan und Isolde with Hans von Bulow and Ludwig Schnorr von Carolsfeld.
>>130274171>Is there a better thing a man can imagine in the world of sounds?Answer: the holy poetry of Richard Wagner and his "Sacred Festival Stage Play" which transforms and supersedes religion.https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg?list=PL_Cf5Xxn5OZY1gE9zsWHAjXz6MVz9IZYS
I have always had issues with sorting out my music library. Don't know about you lot but my mind works like this:I want to listen to Work X by Composer X, Performed or conducted by X, for Music Label X or maybe the performance of year XSometimes I'd also just like to see what versions of a piece of music I have in my library and then decide what to listen to.I did not know of any music player (or streaming service, tho I don't use those.) that was able to do this. So I'm currently making my own music player with tauri and rust?It has WASAPI for windows, it does all high quality formats. The tag editor is specifically equipped for non pop music and keeps to the id3 standard. It does CD ripping, online lookup, synching to devices...Planning to release it as freeware sooner than later. But i'm looking for betatesters. People with (extensive) music libraries who'd like to try the player out.If there are people here who'd like to try it out, mail me at auditura@proton.me and i'll provide the most recent build of it in return for some feedback.Also, I'm an organist. All of the french organ romantic composers are great.
>>130275142Sounds like a lot of effort when you can just use foobar.
>>130275142forgot screenshot
>>130275142>>130275173Looks nice. Unfortunately it may not work for me since I moved all my files off to a NAS forever ago. Subsonic/Navidrome owns my ass.
>>130261740Andante Spianato
Are there any good rap songs with a classical music sampled?
>>130275395No.
