>dude prog rock bro!>every band uses the same organ>long meandering songwriting that doesnt go anywhere>retarded lyrics>jerking off the guitar to show how "skilled" they are playing the entire fretboardIs there a shittier and more overrated genre of music?
>>130271134I'm not really into 70s prog outside of Rush but I appreciate it for taking itself seriously and attempting to elevate the form of rock into something more artistic and virtuosic.
>>130271134>elevate the form of rock into something more artisticRock is already as artistic as it needs be. That attitude is exactly what OP is referring to and what makes a lot of prog annoying, where they treat rock as something unrefined that needs to be improved upon, and then just end up making grating self-indulgent music that strips away all of the energy and catchiness of rock music. And I'm saying this as someone that likes the album he posted.
>>130271246Meant for >>130271203
>>130271134>doesnt go anywhere>Red>WYWH>OP pic>Days of Future Passed>Apostrophe >The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway >Henry Cow Legend>I Robot Delusion or denial? I can't tell which. And what's wrong with organ? That's one of my favorite instruments.
>>130271246>self-indulgentAh yes, my favorite non critique. An artist making music they enjoy and want to make. The horror. How dare they.
>>130271246>Rock is already as artistic as it needs beAlright then just listen to verse chorus verse chorus 3 chord slop with pentatonic blues licks? It's been 50 years. Simplistic rock music was already played out in the 1970s man
>>130271246> they treat rock as something unrefined that needs to be improved uponIt is unrefined and does need to be improved upon, even 50 years after its creation
The GOAT album of the GOAT genre. KYS, faggo
Jethro Tull sucks and the only good prog are avant-prog such as >>130271260>Red>Henry Cow Legend
no, not really. i guess hip hop if literal not music counts.
>>130271246rock trying to take influence from classical or jazz always feels like the auditory equivalent of pic related
>>130272285>classical and jazz
>>130271246>where they treat rock as something unrefined that needs to be improved uponWhy do people keep on parroting this? Progressive rock was not made with disdain for rock music (outside of like, one band, Magma, who were already pretty niche). Look through the influences and backstory of every progressive rock group and these people grew up loving the safest, poppiest forms of 50s-60s rock.Progressive rock was just the natural evolution of progressive pop. 'Progressive' was the big musical buzzword of the 1960s and for the longest while, jazz snobs and music critics openly mocked rock as being lowbrow blue collar music that will never amount to anything and these same snobs hammered that point all throughout most of the 60s. Prog rock was the result of a bunch of music theory nerds who came from more advanced musical backgrounds, but still loved rock music trying to answer the critiques thrown at rock music from jazz snobs and art music snobs.
>>130272342For some reason people keep on parroting this strange myth that progressive rock musicians thought they were better than everybody else or that they were above rock music, which wasn't true.
>>130271134Most prog bores me, but Thick As A Brick is a fantastic album.
>>130271246>Nooooo rock shouldn't progress from what it was the same way that every artistic medium does>Nooooo why is rock dead???Seriously though one of the reasons rock is dead is because it is inherently rooted in the ideals of destroying everything that once came before via rebellion etc and opting for a life of indulgence, hedonism, sex, drugs, and a short lived good time. It only makes sense for a genre about burning brightly and dying young did exactly that. A genre opposed to building up things can only tear something down for so long before dissipating
>retarted lyricspeter hammill begs to differ
>Gentle Giant was formed in 1970 when the Shulman brothers teamed up with two other multi-instrumentalists, Gary Green (guitar, mandolin, recorder etc.) and Kerry Minnear (keyboards, vibraphone, cello, etc.), plus drummer Martin Smith, who had previously drummed for Simon Dupree and the Big Sound.[6] The classically trained Minnear had recently graduated from the Royal College of Music with a degree in composition, and had played with the band Rust. Green was essentially a blues player and had never worked with a band above the semi-professional level, but adapted readily to the demanding music of the new band. The Shulman brothers, meanwhile, settled into typically multi-instrumental roles of their own — Derek on saxophone and recorder; Ray on bass and violin; and Phil on saxophone, trumpet, and clarinet (with all three brothers playing other instruments as and when required).Imagine demanding multi instrumentalists to stick to three chord rock because anything more than that intimidates the likes of OPyou guys should work on your insecurities
>>130271134Hey OP! You should try making your pathetic ragebait threads on twitter, you actually get paid for engagement over there.
>>130274676Gentle Giant are such an anomaly even within prog rock. The complexity of their songwriting stands heads and shoulders above what every prog band was doing, it's baffling. Their songs are like musical Rube Goldberg machines, which is what many other prog bands WISH they were able to write but remained just an unattained ideal to them.
>>130274729it's not just complexity, but the music had drama to it as well, they weren't just flexing their musical musclesthat's what's so special about 70s prog in particular, it wasn't just unemotional autistic math music masturbating over quirky time signatures, it could be satirical like Tull, genuinely optimistic like Yes, dark and desperate like VDGG etc.
>>130274729That riff on Wreck is one of the gnarliest things I have ever heard.
prog noob here, what is the most complex prog rock anyways?
>>130274875see >>130274676
>>130274875Mahavishnu Orchestrahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWv2dUZMjvgMagmahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH9qRJWLi18Gentle Gianthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifRnVEkqB2IKoenjihyakkeihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGmEhBE_5Hw
>>130274729Really, it's the pure strenght of classical composition and counterpoint I think.I know Kerry Minnear studied composition, don't know about Ray Shulman but if he didn't, he clearly picked it up along the way - either way, Gentle Giant's songs were very counterpoint and sheet-music oriented in a way that most other prog rock bands weren't.Like it's clear that the songwriting comes from someone actually writing a score, considering the counterpoints between the vocal melodies and the guitars and whatnot, having a broad vision of the entire piece and thinking about motivic development rather than just stringing together passages that sound nice or epic or angry or whatever.
>>130271134>Is there a shittier and more overrated genre of music?There is one genre so bad it is not even music
>>130271246You will always choose between groove and technique. You will never have both.
>>130272357They're autism
>>130275152nigga was too stupid to put the fork down he fell into a coma. It’s safe to say Jerry wasn’t the brightest
Krautrock counts as prog btw
>>130275827no it really doesn't. there's nothing prog about Neu!, Cluster, Faust, early Kraftwerk, Popol Vuh. even bands like Can and Amon Duul II show only a few of prog's defining elements
>>130278445>there's nothing prog about Neu!, Cluster, Faust, early Kraftwerk, Popol Vuh.Agree with NEU!, Cluster and early Kraftwerk, but both Faust and Popol Vuh have a couple of proggy stuff:https://youtu.be/SwzTd3zE49E?is=qae3gJqNLU4PWndGhttps://youtu.be/VdZBSJoi-20?is=c_tVi-xtkRGQw9gyhttps://youtu.be/Yu9MehUlLgo?is=bF1-VeM8HPvLKQtF
>>130271246Prog is unironically the least pretentious and self-indulgent genre of rock music.>prog rockMusicians who are humble enough to spend decades learning proper technique and have no pretentions of knowing better about anything just have fun singing about trees and rivers and fairies and seven virgins and a mule>other rockRetarded teenagers think they know better than thousands of years of musical tradition and philosophy strum three chords on a guitar, while telling you comically childish politics like it's some great epiphany(and no, pink floyd is not prog)
ITT: nerd shit that scares the hoes
>>130271246>he doesn't think thick as a brick is catchylmao
>>130280319show this post to your parents, I wonder what they'll think
>>130271134Trance comes close
>>130280077Einsjager et Sibenjager is pretty awesome. The Gutes Land song always lingers in my head and I fell in love with Werner Herzog movies after heating him use that specific track in like half of his movies>>130280107>I hope I die before I get old>Whole generation holds onto power for the longest any generation ever has and continues to make decisions that will come crashing down after they die
my favorite prog acts are pink floyd, king crimson, vdgg, and magma.everything else ive listened to sounds dorky as hell. not bad, but not my thing.
>>130282631I'll admit that's a pretty great 4 to like for someone who's not interested in prog I can't even get angry even if the PF is in that list
so what sets apart>prog rock from krautrock>prog rock from art rock>prog rock from post rock?
>>130283890Krautrock is more about repetition, hypnotic rhythms and improvisation, whereas prog rock is more about complex song structures with different, contrasting parts, and tends to be fully written out."Art rock" I think doesn't necessarily have to be complex, long songs, it can be just shorter stuff that uses the aesthetics of rock but tries to do something else other than dancing fun songs for the teens. Rubber Soul you could call art rock, for instance, but absolutely not prog.Post-rock is specifically a 1990's-and-later genre, which tends to involve electronic music influence, use modern guitar pedals, and it tends to emphasize texture more than flashiness or sheer complexity.
>>130283962NTA but what about jazz fusion? I see people conflate the two genres a lot. Myself included honestly lol.A lot of Zappa's 60s/70s stuff for instance is catalogued as jazz fusion but I dunno man to me that shit is prog.
>>130284097Generally, jazz fusion is jazz, played by jazz musicians, with some influences from rock (and/or other genres), whereas prog rock is rock people doing more complex music, which might include jazz influences but not necessarily. The two can often meet up in similar territories but coming from different directions.If you compare "true" jazz fusion to "true" prog like say, Miles Davis's In A Silent Way to King Crimson's ITCOTCK, then it's pretty obvious what the difference is. But the lines do get blurred when talking about artists like Mahavishnu Orchestra, Magma, or Frank Zappa.Zappa's hard to classify because he wasn't ever truly part of a specific scene, jazz or rock or whatever. So yeah, he's pretty proggy at times and pretty jazz fusiony at others.
>>130282631I thought I was really into prog rock a few years ago but then I realized that the only bands I keep on coming back to and listening to regularly are Magma, Gentle Giant, King Crimson and Soft MachineAlmost every other album in the genre I just listen to once and move on with my life.
>>130274676GG is progressive prog>15 minute songsNah, 4:30 is good enough>Verse chorus verse chorusYes>Sappy love songsYes>Insane fugue vocal harmoniesAlso yes
Only good Tully
>>130286506It's funny how GG never needed to make a song that even reached the 10 minute mark. There is so much happening simultaneously in their music that what they accomplished in 5 minutes was more impressive than what other bands did in 20.
