I will defend the genre the best I can. Rap is music. It is the largest genre, give or take, with the least to offer. But, to say it is useless and there are no good albums is wrong.
>>130308644What is the definition of a song?
>>130308644nigger music
>>130308659I think the Websters definition will do.a short poem or other set of words set to music or meant to be sung.
I just dont like it. I dont absolutely hate all of it but mostly its either obnoxious (and yeah I hate that stuff) or boring (so ofc Im not interested)the music behind the vocals is often pretty basic and feels formulaic and secondary, and to enjoy the rapping or lyrical content often seems to depend on an appreciation for the vocal dexterity or however you refer to it (which does very little for me compared to a singer), or some interest in commentary centred around the experience of black americans, and to listen to americans of any ethnicity, politics or social background talk about race and/or social politics is like listening to a 5 year old talk about who they get on with in the playground, I'd get more sense out of my dog.
>>130308691>set to music>meant to be sungProve these to be irrefutable facts for all of rap music and i will agree with you.
I don't like what rappers rap about. I don't care about black people problems.
>>130308644My favorite is when cucks call rappers "geniuses" with great wordplay when 99% of them have sub-80 IQs and couldn't graduate high school
MORE LIEK CRAP LOOL
Music is possibly the most powerful art form for reaching emotional states of catharsis, transcendence, the processing of negative emotions, and priming (putting people in a specific emotional or mental state). Occasionally film, literature/poetry, and visual art reach these highs, but music delivers these states within minutes, consistently. IMO hip hop is the least effective at this. I don't hate hip hop, but unfortunately I don't love it either. I do have favorites. Tyler, The Creator constructs fantasy worlds as effectively as Bowie. Infortunately, he also sounds overproduced, as the backing music sounds so artificial. Aesop Rock is a great storyteller, at least when he holds a narrative. Dizzee Rascal is fun, though less interesting than straight house music. Lil Uzi Vert has the occasional affecting single, though you have to dig for them. Ho99o9 have an awesome sound that couples great with hip hop lyricism, but tbqh they don't make my list of favorite artists ever because great as it is, they just don't move me to that level. Same with MF DOOM and Danny Brown.To my tastes, all those artists are flawed or limited in some way that prevents them from being as emotionally resonant as my favorite rock or electronic artists, and that's literally a list of my favorite rappers ever.
>>130309059The only way I can see to do this is if you grant me some grace and stretch your idea of "sung". Rappers do not sing, but they do change their "rap" voice with their speaking voice. Danny Brown is one that has a distinct difference, if you like his voice or not, his voice changes. With that being said, I could point to punk, or something we all know, Spiderland. The Spiderland singer does not sing per say. I don't think I have to go deeper on this, so I will not.The real question is if beats are "music". I only half ass understand music theory, and that basically means not at all. They always say music takes, rhythm, melody, and harmony. Now again, you have to stretch the idea for any of this to work. Rhythm is obvious in rap, melody comes from the "flow" of the rapper. Harmony only can come from how the rapper interacts with the beat. Take a rapper like ODB who would randomly break into singing during his raps while also staying on beat, it was a part of his "flow". Unfortunately I have to defend the same music as Lil Pump, Young Thug, and their like. I am more attempting to defend Wu Tang, Aesop Rock, DOOM, and their like. But, in this context, its all or nothing. >>130309652Definitely not geniuses, they just make music. I'm not saying the shit is Mozart, but to think rap has nothing to offer is wrong. Take a Big Ls 98 Freestyle. Ignorant nigga music no doubt, but you can't deny the word play is at least half way respectable. No other music provides the rhymes, or better said, the "playing of" the English language. >Yo, fuck all the glamours and glitz, I plan to get richI'm from New York and never was a fan of the KnicksAnd I'm all about expandin' my chipsYou mad 'cause I was in the van with your bitchWith both hands on her titsCorleone hold the throne, that you know in your heartI got style plus the way that I be flowin' is sharpA while back, I used to hustle, sellin' blow in the parkCountin' G stacks and rockin' ice that glow in th
>>130310171>IMO hip hop is the least effective at this. Totally agree with you. Apart from a few select songs, Dance with The Devil by Tech comes to mind. I agree with your post fully. It is the least effective at communicating an emotion, unless it's just party. But, you can not take away from the idea of telling a story. Rap is the MOST effective for telling a story. Deltron 3030 is a shining example. A clear concise idea executed to its fullest, a rapper in the year 3000. Dr. Octagon, same thing. And since you said Aesop, his Impossible Kid record is, at least from what I could hear, his life. Stories, that is what rap is best at. Even just a song, Kick in The Door - Biggie. There is a debate that country is a better storyteller, but that is another thread.
>>130309050You aren't wrong. You can not like it and think its only for niggas, but to say it has nothing to offer, no no.>music behind the vocals is often pretty basic and feels formulaic and secondary,That is the object of the beat. All it is is a music bed for the lyrics. If you don't like the actual rapping, you won't like hip hop. In the relative modern day, the beat is more important. Unfortunately, I have to defend that as well, though it is much harder because it puts the whole point of rap at the waist side.
>>130308644What hate? The words of Run-DMC (kinda Reaganesque, I fear) still ring in my head whenever things get toughHARD TIMESARE COMINGJUSTLIKETHE FLUWATCH OUT HOMEBOYDON'T LET IT GET YOU
Hard times in lifeHard times in deathI'M GONNA KEEP ON FIGHTING 'TILL MY VERY LAST BREATH
>>130310233>I am more attempting to defend Wu Tang, Aesop Rock, DOOMthose guys just say more obscure words more often. there is nothing that separates them from lil pump or young thug other than the number of words they use.also literally not music lmao
>>130308644https://darkmatternebula.bandcamp.com/track/static
I don't understand the style where it sounds like the rapper isn't even listening to the track he's rapping over.
>>130310409If you genuinely can't tell the difference between thisLil Pump, boy, you know you a blessin', ayy (You a blessin', ooh)Once I hit you with that .30, it teach you a lesson, ayy (It teach you a lesson, ayy)Bitch, one day I went to fuckin' church (Went to fuckin' church)Pastor told me, ''Boy, you off the purp'' (God damn)He told the same thing to my nigga Smokepurpp (He did)Pull up to the scene, skrrt off in a Lambo (Skrrt, skrrt, skrrt)I was born and raised in the fuckin' bando (In the bando)Since the third grade, I been had commando (Brraow, brraow)Ooh (Yah)The flow is toe in, precision as an afro trimAll big letters but it isn't no acronymSmack the thin grin off a chin for crack-smokingDDT the first bar, leave this track backbrokenChrome grown men doing business with Anglo-Sax and themLacking swing but that banjo's so relaxingAs the wax spin, hacking axes in the windPretend it's just a pen, see if you can pencil 'em inTense, mention men of honor fenced inCensus is tens, the wheels fall off then it's the endDon't get keelhauled inVillain always been, feel real, genuine ballskinNot to call the whole crowd outIt's just a few chumps, and you know who you are like a shoutoutYou are a dirty dirty lier.>>130310422Not quite my thing, but it doesn't sound too bad.>>130310314I've been staying away from going back that far.. Its like talking rock and bring up Gerry and The Pacemakers. Peter piper picked peppers but run rocked rhyme. Always loved the old school flow, figured its too dated nowadays.
>>130310546>that farI appreciate the wordplay and rhyming, in short, rapping, but the lyrical content is what can elevate a song. You can't tell me a song like Hard Times doesn't strike a chord. Also bad analogy, you should have mentioned Little Richard and you would still be wrong.
>>130310546https://lampfaucet.bandcamp.com/track/acid-bat-feat-d-mon-nomad-menthol-slim-rass-guru
>>130310233>>Yo, fucMultisyllabic rhymes like this whole verse are so boring and simpleYawn
>>130310233>I could point to punk,Punk isnt music either, you have no clue what you are talking about and admit it yourself yet still dont get that you dont get it
