Chad Schumann editionhttps://youtu.be/L16yD3HbBZIThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130284340
In the last episode of Chopin podcast Ohlsson admitted he is intimidated by Hofmann's performance of the 4th ballade. Nearly 90 years have passed and this is still the peak piano performancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqPN4gXy834
>>130308967>In the last episode of Chopin podcast Ohlsson admitted he is intimidated by Hofmann's performance of the 4th ballade.That's actually interesting. You might be onto something with this whole hiss obsession.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eOaIiHB58UI'm sorry xisters but Karajan is the embodiment of Beethoven. Look at him, it makes me cry when I see someone just feel the music.
>>130310450that's either joy or some good cocaine.
name a better recording of Saint-Saens' Introduction and Rondo Capriccioso
>>130310377This is good. I like almost every 5th I listen to, to be honest
>>130308930Cuck Schumann
>>130308967imagine caring about a mostly-piano composer 90 years on
Someone needs to get some Huge Wang, add hiss and try it pass it off as some great historical performance here and see if the folks buy it
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTAhsVLgeBI&list=OLAK5uy_k9y4eG4jiGVBv8Nrp8QiI5LyqcOPQ4lYg&index=3
Respectively, Schumann was the Chad composer of his time
Schuman was the N word of the classical world
now playingstart of Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 In A Minor, Op. 99 (Formerly Op. 77) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0BZA4Ikppw&list=OLAK5uy_noz7FgsER844POdfMKH7c8Ptl8BBWmhMA&index=2start of Glazunov: Violin Concerto in A minor, Op. 82https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prM-WDtleuk&list=OLAK5uy_noz7FgsER844POdfMKH7c8Ptl8BBWmhMA&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_noz7FgsER844POdfMKH7c8Ptl8BBWmhMA>Sensational violinist Nicola Benedetti returns with a riveting recording of Shostakovich's monumental Violin Concerto No. 1 and the Glazunov Violin Concerto. Together with the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra and conductor Kirill Karabits, the dark, introspective Shostakovich Violin Concerto is brought to life in a compelling performance packed full of energy, powerful torment, and breath-taking passion.>Benedetti has the technique, passion and energy to compete with the best. --The Observer
i fell asleep listening to Strauss' Die Frau ohne Schatten and now i'm schizohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL_txyYVCI8&list=OLAK5uy_lsWeeuyG-JkiyB_VPNQ4wGKiBowYdfir8&index=25also every time i think about this work, i always have to say "die frauuuuuuuu" irl, it's fun, try itdie frauuuuuuuu~
I always get impatient with Kreisleriana. What are your favorite passages from that piece?
Dave swears this is one of the very best Mahler cycles out there. Is he right?
>like 4 stereo recordings of Mahler 3 at most have a somewhat audible intro to the 4th movement instead of silence>one is filled with live noises and the rest aren't very good apart from thatsuicide
>>130310377>xistersyou're under 25>likes karajanyou're under 20>likes him because of a visual aspect instead of musicalyou're 15 years old>cries looking at himyou're a newborn
>>130312556once again Dave is being a retard what a shockerno, they are nothing special.
>>130312556Inbal? More like In Balls lmfaoo
>>130312556All it would take for you to find out is 11 hours 28 minutes and 14 seconds
>>130311187Too bad he recorded this so late. He had a great conception of the work.
REMINDER1. Kubelik2. Klemperer3. Chailly4. Fischer5. Leinsdorf (Chicago)6. Bernstein (Vienna)7. Abbado (Chicago) 8. Bertini9. Karajan10. Dausgaard
>>130313393The DEFINITIVE list:1. Walter2. Watler (Vienna)3. Boult4. Mengelberg5. Walter (Mengelberg adagio)6. Mitropoulos7. Boult8. Stokowski9. Walter (Vienna)
>>1303133931. Haitink2. Tabakov3. Neumann4. Karajan5. Karajan6. Chailly7. Bernstein8. Karajan9. Karajan10. Rosbaud
>>130313632Terrible, awful, disgusting. Stop listening to music.
>>130312630>likes him because of a visual aspect instead of musicalWhat if I told you that music is inherently social and by completely removing the social aspect from it (watching it on youtube, alone, surrounded by four walls) we're not getting the full spectrum of enjoyment out of it (there are studies confirming this) and by pretending that live performance videos don't matter you're further alienating yourself from the social phenomenon that is music?
>>130313983>(there are studies confirming this)
>>130313983>What if I told you that music is inherently social and by completely removing the social aspect from it (watching it on youtube, alone, surrounded by four walls) we're not getting the full spectrum of enjoyment out of it (there are studies confirming this) and by pretending that live performance videos don't matter you're further alienating yourself from the social phenomenon that is music?
>>130314012Here's a recent study, from a pile of studies and evolutionary theories regarding musichttps://www.psypost.org/shared-music-listening-synchronizes-brain-activity/
>>130314054I don't do music for the social synching raindances and witch burnings and child sacrifice and other voodoo mumbo jumbo nigger garbage, this is research into something else. Just likke you wouldn't conflate reading academic journal articles with campfire storytime
>>130314202Are you saying that you listen to music exclusively for your academic job?
>>130314214Learn to read
>>130314258Is that a yes or a no
>>130314273Neither, but the answer to the question is no
Gould is basically Regietheater but for solo piano.
>>130313614surprised you like Boult, i found him rather so-so in Mahler
>>130313983didn't read past the first line never waste this general's time with this shit again
>>130313393>1>not Walterdidn't read the rest
>>130314202>I don't do music for the social synching raindances and witch burningsThis is introspection illusion. You don't "know" why you like music, you like it because of very specific nervous responses due to hormones released in your brain. The rest is a subjective delusion.We can infer from the evidence that we like certain things because of this or that. That way, we can be more objective.
>>130315062I think if we're strictly speaking about stereo recordings, then Kubelik's is superior. If we go to mono, Walter's NY performance is better.
Who let soijak into /classical/
>>130315124You barged in all by yourself.
>>130315110Rejection of the Delphic maxim is probably the most obvious sign that "Western culture" is simply lost tech.
>>1303133931. Walter2. Mehta3. Sinopoli4. Kletzki5. Leinsdorf6. Currentzis7. Bloch8. Sinopoli9. BarshaiDLvdE. Klemperer10. Lopez-Cobos
>>130314368good description
>>130315164Completely incoherent non sequitur.
>>130315241Console yourself with that belief.
>>130315256Brainlet.
>>130315266Slave.
>>130315289Ironic coming from such a small-minded person.
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9XaxBaJ1WY&list=OLAK5uy_nqc_FIaITq9oyTEXws-8d7-4EXEmM2e7U&index=2
>>130315177>Currentzisew
Franckhttps://youtu.be/GMhIRlwIfWE?list=PLyJEeTwPq040e2wBaPp7hM2nZa85nDcKj
>>130315587did not ask
>>130315177>9. BarshaiI like the coverhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RxpYPRRbTU&list=OLAK5uy_mttk1ybpihDZ6z6QOEgKWPJmpwQ5JEeiU&index=1
>>130313983>>130314054based
>>130313983>>130314054cringe
Liking Romantic composers such as Wagner, Tchaikovsky, Schubert, Rachmaninoff, and Berlioz is an indication that you are twice-born and possess an Aryan dharma. Active within you is the natural response of the noble being to the hemmed-in domesticity of the contemporary world, the lofty need to seek out an antinomian emergent instinct, the surging wave in the soul that crashes against the barriers of morality and convention. This is also why you love incest.Liking modernist composers like Boulez, Nono, Stravinsky, and Penderecki indicates that you are Anayran and probably have bad karma. The desire to eat excrement is quite common among those with bad karma. You feel comfortable following the rules and expectations of society and think yourself very wise for keeping up with "the times". You are perilously concerned with being perceived as a "midwit" and believe incest is evil and disgusting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbpWAfMcO5w
>>130313393I need to really re-listen to them all, as my opinions have kind of shifted again, but I recently did a complete discography listen of 7 and found Kondrashin's Concertgebouw recording to be my favorite. Beinum's is excellent as well, but unfortunately only the first movement is in great sound. Mengelberg is still my favorite 4th and I doubt that will ever change.For the 5th, I like Walter, Rosbaud, Leinsdorf (Chicago), and Chailly (Gewandhaus). Maderna's is quite excellent as well, although it has an evil Adagietto. The rest I really need to thoroughly re-explore. I get the feeling I would find myself struggling to get satisfied with 6 and 9 especially, though. Walter's Vienna recording of the 9th is likely closest to my aesthetic preference for the piece but that recording sounds less than good.
>>130317133>and found Kondrashin's Concertgebouw recording to be my favoriteIt's fantastic. So danceable.
>best mahler 6https://files.catbox.moe/rugrdu.flac
>>130317189Chailly?
>>130317362pfft way too much passion there to be ChaillyIt's Levine
>>130317377No wonder it sounds like shit
>>130317416jerkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGFkGlQZqOE&list=OLAK5uy_k-f3JtgDbLFU3RLw5jwK6IoOAGNPiUNHQ&index=1
speaking of Mahler, I forgot to make a post for this release when it dropped, the Nelsons/Vienna Mahler 5. Come get it while it's hot!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_d3wrjPsdM&list=OLAK5uy_mAOxycxyue3fNW7ZyIYfclnpY5BuJgyOA&index=1>Andris Nelsons and the Wiener Philharmoniker launch their long-awaited, complete Mahler Symphonic cycle for Deutsche Grammophon with a breathtaking account of the Fifth Symphony, recorded in 2022. This stand-alone release captures the orchestra's luminous sound and Nelsons' deeply human approach to Mahler's music - by turns intimate, ecstatic, and transcendent. The performance's sweeping intensity and radiant Adagietto offer a thrilling prelude to the full cycle to come, promising one of the most significant Mahler projects of our time.
>>130317496Projectile vomit
>>130317584It's no good?
>>130317651No.
>>130317377Sorry, I just can't in good conscience listen to someone who did such horrible things.
>>130317725I'm just saying Nelsons makes the biggest bucks, releases on the coolest label, and works with the hottest orchestras for a reason.
>>130317766It's not philosophy. It's conducting of music. Outside of amusing anecdotes, I couldn't care less the disposition and life of the composer and conductor. To each their own I guess.
>>130315953that's the one
this is the most needlessly confrontational review I ever read (mostly for the last short paragraph). the hell is his problem?
>>130318169Yeah ones like those without any specifics I just skip over. Not everyone is gonna love something.
best enescu string octet recording and it's not even close.
God, her rachmaninoff is so boring.
>>130319048Only her tits aren't boring.
>>130319073true
The andante of Maher's 6th should serve as a majestic, monumental entrance to the epic finale. But since I'm biased, having heard it in that order the first few times, I can't truly say which order leaves a greater impression. A study needs to be conducted, fresh ears should experience the symphony both ways and we will finally have an empirically verifiable answer once and for all.
I was supposed to see her next week, but the bitch withdrew on "medical grounds" (too much dick?). I was promised skimpy outfits and high heels, damn it!!!!
>>130317835He also got his ass kicked to the curb from the Boston orchestra for a reason, because under his leadership their playing was getting worse and worse. That Mahler 5 recording is beyond boring.
>>130320605Serves you right, coomer.
>>130320605For real? Sorry to hear that.
>>130320605>Schloss Elmau Luxury Spa Retreat in the Bavarian Alps, Germanywtf. What kind of life do you have?
>>130319011I don't think it's a bad recording, but I prefer this one simply because it's one of the very few recordings to match the thrust and tempo that Enescu's own recording of the piece (he takes it extremely fast)
>>130320605>>130319086I love classical piano
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>>130321001kek
>>130321001Kek
>>130317496Thought to myself>Dave's gonna shit all over this,lo and behold. I haven't listened to the entire record yet, but the first movement is really dragging and listless. I know it's a funeral march and all, but it needs pinache, see e.g. Levine >>130317377
>>130321228Fuck, I just got to the big climax of the 1st movement, it's REALLY fucking pale and underplayed. The first time I heard Levine & Karajan conduct this I really jumped up in my seat, Nelssons' version of that moment is positively geriatric.
>>130321228It has one of the slowest Scherzos I've ever heard. Slowness can be done well, if the playing actually has bite, and they dig into the rhythms and provide us with juicy balances, etc etc But there is nothing going on with the orchestra here. They sound like they're playing while sleeping. This is the VPO, right, one of the best orchestras in the world? Not some generic pick up orchestra? Because they sound absolutely generic and lifeless here. Nelsons is a fucking sham of a conductor.
>>130321252Normally I'm not "widely listened" enough to comment on an interpretation, but Mahler's 5th is an exception and I've heard at least ~5 different ones. It's gratifying to know for myself, without another's indication, that this is a shoddy effort. Makela, whom Dave hates, did a considerably better version live.
Currently playing Saint-Saens Cello Concerto No.2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq2uS371zCg
Besides Beethoven's 9th (from which it clearly takes its cue), what's a climax comparable to that of Mahler's 2nd? I have trouble imaging one, be it musically or textually or spiritually. It's about conquering death and life everlasting, what can be greater than that?
The dream I had 40 minutes ago had the Liebestod from Tristan und Isolde arranged by Liszt playing in it.I think my brain is showing off now during it's sleep state.
>>130323399>Similar in climax to Beethoven's 9thMendelssohn's 2nd
>>130323435forgot to add Scriabin's Prometheus
>>130323399>It's about conquering death and life everlastingSaint-Saens' Organ Symphony is literally about this, being based on a variation of the Dies irae that moves from darkness to light.
>>130321241>>130321252Typical Nelsons
Decent background music from Fred Delhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp1XyYYwwO4&list=RDqp1XyYYwwO4&start_radio=1
Arthur Whodisniggerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqSFBwBC0S0&list=RDaqSFBwBC0S0&start_radio=1
>mfw no Mengelberg Mahler 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9No reason to live. Mass hominin suicide shall commence.
>ywn listen to Mahler conducting his own symphonies live in Vienna
Beethoven's best piece is still Moonlight Sonata, no not Piano Sonata 14 but Moonlight Sonata
Winnsboro Cotton Mill Blues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU2xU1g0C4Y&list=RDcU2xU1g0C4Y&start_radio=1
>>130324921No. 30, appassionata and hammerklavier are top 3. I don't care how you rate the rest, although I'd give no.32 and waldstein a slight edge over moonlight. Also, the best performance of Moonlight sonata is indubitably, beyond a shadow of a doubt, by Hofmann:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U9aaU57UVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsgffC9KfSY&list=PL79DA330B8AE4C836&index=16
>>130324943Great playing- You can almost hear it over the hiss
On the topic of the last thread, about individuality/subjectivity of romantic interpretations from a comment I found:>Several have mentioned Hofmann's rejection of swaying and other gesticulations. That apparently came from none other than Rubinstein! According to Hoffman, 'Under the influence of Rubinstein, I was made to feel myself less an individual genius than a mere medium for the interpretation of the works of the masters. He always insisted that the first duty of the artist was to smother self; that his personality should never be inflicted upon his listeners, who are before him to hear and feel, and nothing else. He sternly forbade any such movements as throwing back the head, or dreamful swaying of the body, or gymnastics with the arms. "These things," he said, "may make money and excite the worship of the foolish, but they do not become the real artist and great musician. Work toward your ideals only, young man, and success must surely come'.".Read again:>I was made to feel myself less an individual genius than a mere medium for the interpretation of the works of the masters. He always insisted that the first duty of the artist was to smother self; that his personality should never be inflicted upon his listeners, who are before him to hear and feel, and nothing else.Here, Hofmann rejects the idea that he's putting in individuality in his interpretations, like I've said. Romantics didn't think of their performances as highly individual - while pararoxically being much more individual than the less traditionally aligned modernist performances - because he was actually faithful to the inherited tradition, to the score's latent meaning. We should distinguish "personality emerging organically from musical understanding" vs "personality imposed theatrically for effect". The latter is what it actually means to put yourself "above" the composer, but today musicians and conservatories around the world will tell you that it's actually the first one.
>>130325189 Sounds like a (You) problem, I can hear every note clearly. Perhaps in the last movement the bass gets blurry, but it's completely worth it, his melodic lingering, singing tone, organic dynamic exaggerations, tonal coloring, rubato, flexible voicing, rhythm, tempo all make up for it. You can't hear most of that in any other recording, let alone ALL of it at once, only a handful of pianists in recorded history were capable of that.
>>130325190>He sternly forbade any such movements as throwing back the head, or dreamful swaying of the body, or gymnastics with the arms. "These things," he said, "may make money and excite the worship of the foolish, but they do not become the real artist and great musician.How about suck my ass Rubinstein?
>>130325268>, but it's completely worth it, his melodic lingering, singing tone, organic dynamic exaggerations, tonal coloring, rubato, flexible voicing, rhythm, tempo all make up for it. You can't hear most of that in any other recording, let alone ALL of it at once, only a handful of pianists in recorded history were capable of thaNo it doesn't. He's just playing a fucking piano, pick the one that doesn't have hiss
>>130325351>>130325372perhaps you'd vibe better with >>>/mu/ >>>/mu/wpop/ >>>/kpop/ , sisters?
Gaysirhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEthgtm4n3U&list=PLjfSXN3YNgY3_eAuktCu4OrKzNaHF5dFP
>>130320605i think we should kill all perverts live on television
>>130325409Perhaps you can suck my ass?
A fake "musician" who inflicts his personality upon his listeners:>>130310450A real musician:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvcUPDiD69Y
>>130325467perhaps you'd vibe better with your fellow plebians? >>>/mu/
...you retards actually watch pianists? you don't just listen? you use your eyes for anything related to classical music other than reading scores and watching staged performances such as opera? you know that's for newbies right? you are supposed to close your eyes when you are at an advanced level of music listening. I have no idea what most of my favorite performers even look like.
>>130325523Correct. When performing live for an audience, pianist should not make an effort to sell cheap theatrics, instead they should remain still and play as the composers intended, like Hofmann did.
>>130325190>Here, Hofmann rejects the idea that he's putting in individuality in his interpretations, like I've said. Romantics didn't think of their performances as highly individual - while pararoxically being much more individual than the less traditionally aligned modernist performances - because he was actually faithful to the inherited tradition, to the score's latent meaning.This is why I stressed repeatedly that I was *not* saying that Romantic interpretation was subjective in the sense of arbitrarily imposing the performer's will but rather in the sense that they intend to bring out the 'human face' of the piece. They follow a practice tradition which is intended to speak for the music as though the continuity of expression were a feeling, thinking organism for which they are vessels. The 'individuality' involved is more about the composer than about the performer, though as you say, the result was often highly individuated. But ignoring the role of subjectivity in Romanticism is ceding frame to modernism. It's analogous to how Nietzsche's emphasis on subjectivity is misunderstood as equivalent to the postmodernist rejection of subjective knowledge. Just a fundamentally different way of thinking about the meaning and validity of human expression, and the ability of training and cultivation to raise it to greater fullness.
Sadko sounds like a really good story I don't like Opera but I might try and find a written version of ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zWKe-JwucwMusic is ok
>>130325483>Maybe I'll just repeat what I said in the previous post!!!
>>130325565>pianist should not make an effort to sell cheap theatrics,You're assuming that's theatrics and not just what the player does
>>130325566>The 'individuality' involved is more about the composer than about the performerThis is exactly what I was trying to convey. Individuality in this context is organic, it doesn't overshadow the composer, it reveals them. Yet, every time you hear about this "individual" nonsense, is when modernists are bashing romantics. >It's analogous to how Nietzsche's emphasis on subjectivity is misunderstood as equivalent to the postmodernist rejection of subjective knowledge. You mean rejection of objective knowledge?>>130325704It is theatrics. What Trifonov does is not organic, it's deliberate, calculated threatrics to deceive listeners.
>>130325761>t is theatrics. What Trifonov does is not organic, it's deliberate, calculated threatrics to deceive listenersHow do you know that?
Fine 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZRoLCAC2BE&list=PLjfSXN3YNgY3_eAuktCu4OrKzNaHF5dFP&index=4Fine 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evnlQqegpiM&list=PLjfSXN3YNgY3_eAuktCu4OrKzNaHF5dFP&index=5Are they good? They're fine
>>130325704if that's "just what they do" naturally then they are super massive faggots
>>130325897We live in a faggy age.
>>130325761>You mean rejection of objective knowledge?No, although I made my meaning a little unclear by not elaborating. Postmodernism rejects objective knowledge too, but more distinctive to it is that it's totally particularistic. It can't posit something like Kant's subjective universal. It validates subjective experience, but not subjective knowledge. Postmodernism is generally sceptical about the possibility of 'knowledge' as a whole.>Yet, every time you hear about this "individual" nonsense, is when modernists are bashing romantics.I don't think this is fully true, although of course modernists did say those things. As I said, Romantics like Wagner or Berlioz quite explicitly placed emphasis on individuality and subjectivity, so it absolutely did originate in Romantic self-conception. We just interpret those concepts a little differently today, perhaps in part because modernist framing has cast these things as bad.
>>130325897Ok maybe they are but that's irrelevant to what they're playing, you're not trying to be friend with them
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>>130325821>How do you know that?I don't, but I can make a reasonable guess. Pianists far better than him play without any facial expressions or fancy gestures. They remain still, almost too cold and put their intellectual efforts into music, not anything else. Whereas Trifonov, just like almost every single performer at the Chopin competition, except Argerich (who isn't even in the league as the romantics, by the way), put more effort into their facial muscles than their fingers because they are more akin to pop stars, hungry for fame and praise.>>130325939>It can't posit something like Kant's subjective universal. It validates subjective experience, but not subjective knowledge. Postmodernism is generally sceptical about the possibility of 'knowledge' as a whole.That's a bit different from saying that postmodernism rejects the idea of subjective knowledge.From what I understand, postmodernists argue that human knowledge is almost entirely subjective, contingent on language and filtered through various contexts. Rejecting "knowledge" altogether makes no sense, even if you reject Kant's subjective universality there's certainly some form of human knowledge that postmodernism is centred around.>perhaps in part because modernist framing has cast these things as bad.It's not that they cast these things as "bad" but rather they reduced what "serving composer's intentions" means from the fuller context informed by tradition, writings, common sense to what it is today, metronomic, expressionless adherence to the score.By modernists I also meant the contemporary musicians and performance practice. Do you think someone like Cortot or Koczalski could even be allowed in a Chopin competition? Maybe they would at least let them perform, but they wouldn't pass a single stage, because in the minds of jurors they would be putting themselves above the composer. Don't you think so?
>>130326050good to hear
>>130326050bad to hear
>>130324874He has a recording of the 1st or you just don't care about the 1st? And if he only has the 4th, how do you even know he'd be good at other Mahler
>>130326284>>130326315It's six months now And I can tell you TrufhfullyFew periodsIn my lifeHave passedSo quickly
Ravelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muUdvvZPm4U&list=OLAK5uy_n4oXvP23jHFxWRyMuNV7rZcyWSBuI60DY&index=4This set is often named as one of the top two or three essential Ravel sets.
>>130326346I don't love the 1st as much as the rest but obviously it would be very welcome to have 1st too as well as DLVDE and especially the first movement of the 10th. I'm certain his Mahler would be supreme because his 4th is unmatched, adagio of the 5th is perhaps the greatest orchestral recording ever made without exaggeration and almost every single record of his is orchestrally top tier including the Rachmaninoff concertos, Brahms, Beethoven symphonies etc.He is my favorite conductor at this moment.
>>130326410Hmm, I appreciate your enthusiasm. He have any Bruckner?
>>130326432Nope, unfortunately not. But he has the only great recording of Matthew Passion everyone should hear at least once:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zayss_RBkj8
I ThinkThe Combination Of ageAnd a greater coming together Is responsible For the speedOf the passing time
>>130326237Don't want to get into an off-topic tangent, but the semantic character of 'knowledge' here is so different under postmodernism that can't really be called the same thing. It's more clarifying to describe it as experience. The postmodern world is one of mutually exclusive subjective experiences in which we never truly know anything.>It's not that they cast these things as "bad" but rather they reduced what "serving composer's intentions" meansSure, but to frame this as more objective is IMO just ceding to a modernist framework in which the justification is not based on expression but on this extrinsic need to obey tradition or composer intentions. The reason why these traditions are valid is because they uphold human expression as a) legitimate in itself and b) not merely relative and particular but generalisable and reception to cultivation and improvement.>Maybe they would at least let them perform, but they wouldn't pass a single stage, because in the minds of jurors they would be putting themselves above the composer. Don't you think so?Sure, although I wouldn't call the typical Chopin competition audience etc. representative of 'modernism'. They are modern or contemporary people, but I am stricter here with my use of the word. Modernists don't necessarily care about the composer's intentions nor about removing all mannerisms from the performance (so long as the mannerisms are justified by an 'idea'). Regardless, that response would demonstrate the point that many people think Romantic interpretation just means playing how you want, being 'emotional', etc. Most people have a very primitive idea of this, but I wouldn't conflate that with modernism.
>>130326464mengelbugBetter than Scherchen's?
>>130326533*receptive
>>130326237You like pianist who are deliberate-sometimes even calculating. Seldom employing histrionics?
>>130324874You may be interested in Schuricht's Das Lied von der Erde. Technically Mengelberg wasn't at the helm, but it was a last minute decision, and the orchestra was fully prepared by him for the performance. It's a very good performance of the work.
Grotesque
>>130327039Do people really get so bored with the standard repertoire that they listen to this shit?
>John Ireland >Was actually English
Jochum's Meistersinger is so on point, shame he didn't record more Wagner outside of a lovely hiss Tristan und Isolde. Hmm, doing a quick search reveals he also has a hiss Lohengrin. Well, why not more studio Wagner then! The man lived till '87, he had plenty of time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThFSXwanhJQ&list=OLAK5uy_lcltWKp34tSddN2FKdHoovhG9nTJa3lRA&index=1
Gara Garayevhttps://youtu.be/BDorT39bwSUhttps://youtu.be/uWVd7KLwuRYSteve Reichhttps://youtu.be/EvA6xdIjL30
>>130324678lovely
>>130328167Meistersinger seems like a jolly good time
>>130327186Please tell me there's a composer named John "Johnny" English who's actually Irish.
>>130327108octave displacement not even that crazy of a technique
Nagano!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9J9dF1T2nQ&list=OLAK5uy_m2pZBTRt2QgbyOX4Z8YipSYkS4vm2JUxs&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4cAzEvMsHE&list=RDQ4cAzEvMsHE&start_radio=1
is there a list with a basic repertoire? I'm new.
>>130330496https://talkclassical-list.github.io/
>>130330496Oh and if that big list is too intimidating, you can check this for basic repertoire sorted by genre, composer etc. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAjIX596BriH_zrQze2Baqz0RwtqxR5SS
>>130330509>>130330547thanks a lot! I really appreciate it.
>>130330496
>>130330679>Rachmaninoff's other piano concertosAh, the obligatory Rachmaninoff 2nd rec.>>130330496Listen to Rachmaninoff piano concerto no.2 right away:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2xQodIz01s&list=OLAK5uy_lgVzHhxfdv3NXjHGu_2cb1jEuh7RdahIQ&index=33
>>130330725>Ah, the obligatory Rachmaninoff 2nd rec.lol yeah I always mean to fix that whenever I copy+paste the post, because it was originally in reply to someone who said they just listened to Rach 2, but I always forget
>>130330745And it actually worked for the first few times since I was in time to rec 2nd concerto lol
So far I enjoy bach's cello suites and the well tempered clavier. went on classical.net to look for recordings, for WTC should I try harpsichord recordings too? >>130330725I'll give this a try.
>>130331047>for WTC should I try harpsichord recordings too?Only if you're able 50 years old. >went on classical.net to look for recordingsHope you went with either Richter or Hewitt!
>>130331047You really enjoyed WTC on your first try? That's nice. I recommend the best and only great recording of the work, by Feinberg:https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=0sjbM3T4S08&list=OLAK5uy_l59-njpgbFCFkHbIUDzHpH6OJYhDn0dL4&index=22Richter is also worth giving a try, but this is unsurpassed!
and so the serpent of hiss attempts to tempt another to his wicked, sonically compromised ways
>>130331186>attempts to tempt
>>130331209yikes that's embarrassing of me
>>130331079I went with Richter. I'm 30 year old zoomer but I do enjoy the sound of the harpsichord.
>>130331218happens to the best of us
