My grandma owns literally every Frank Sinatra album ever released. I'm not even exaggerating.
your grandma schlicked thinking about him
>>130313795Even Watertown?
>>130313882Probably
>>130313912I hope, that's his best
>>130313795Pics or youre lying. I can't wait for whatever bullshit excuse you'll have for not being able to post it.
>>130313795I wish there was a movie made about the Havana Conference from his perspective which goes into his mob connections. There's a lot you could do with it
Even the biggest Sinatra fan there was would have a tough time getting through Sing and Dance With Frank Sinatra or Duets.
>>130313956My grandma doesn't let me into her house anymore because she caught me stealing her jewelry
>>130313961I wouldn't be surprised if she still had Duets but I never recalled her ever listening to it or ever talking about it. Frank has always been her #1 as as much for sentimental value as for his talent, which she would probably freely admit was not always reliable.
>>130313795based and sinatrapilled. I gotta finish his discog I got about halfway through>>130313968Lmfao
>>130313795GOAT discography
>Perry Como and Frank Sinatra were the two pop stars of the '50s who had earned the privilege of near-full creative freedom with their records--both could choose the material they recorded and performed it how they wanted without direction from the studio. While Como would give producers and engineers a stern, father-like glance in the booth to suggest he needed no help, Sinatra's recording dates were a circus. In the room were gathered the engineers, producers, musicians, hangers-on, his latest girlfriend, and more, all eager to watch him perform, and when he was in a good mood he would crack jokes and banter with everyone.
Duets is just...don't, ok? The other bad one I mentioned was S&DWFS because it was during his early 50s nadir when he recorded terrible Mitch Miller songs and was totally demoralized.
>>130315368Oh yes I didn't mention that grandma fucking hated Perry Como too, kek.
>>130315368Como was vocal about hating many of his 78-era records and refusing to remake them later in modern hi-fi sound. Since he didn't yet get to choose his own material back then a lot of those were probably songs he didn't like.
>>130315424Too WASPy huh?
>>130313795What an ugly hat
>"What we would do was put a novelty song on one side of the record, and a great song (ie. a ballad) on the other. Frank got to choose his own material on many of those records, but for some reason he keeps going back to 'Mama Will Bark.'"
>>130315817I'm not sure she ever really liked him to begin with even in his early days, but the later MOR gloop and ivy league sweaters probably vindicated that prejudice for her lol.
Sinatra and Connie Francis achieved a middle ground between Italian singing styles and white bread pop while Como went too far in the latter direction and other singers like Tony Bennett and Jerry Vale just targeted the core Italian audience with no compromises to the mass market.
>>130313795New York, New York was actually the hit from a concept album in which he gave each major city a song, including Detroit to give you an idea of how old it is.
How can she possibly store millions of albums?
>>130313795Based. Makes me miss my grandma.
>>130313795My dad owns literally every Frank Zappa album ever released. That is 100 albums.
>>130316250They're thin
>>130316031Mitch Miller was a legend. He had a cool show where bands would play popular old songs and the lyrics would be at the bottom of the screen with a bouncing ball over each word, so you could "Sing Along with Mitch". It's what old folks had instead of Rock Band.
>>130316212Bennett fortunately didn't let Miller have any involvement with his recording sessions but CBS often punished him by refusing to promote his albums or even release them.
>>130316371the show got good ratings but NBC cancelled it in only three seasons as most of the audience was older than 40 and not the young adult viewers the network sought
>>130316446That always smelled like rock critic revisionism to me. TV networks weren't particularly concerned with viewer demographics such as age in those days, for various reasons, and didn't really take it up as a trusted science until later in the 60s which is what lead to the rural purge. Before that shows aimed at families and older viewers were pretty much the norm because advertisers still mostly targeted housewives instead of their kids.
>>130316031this was the guy who said rock-and-roll degraded popular music and that adults deserved listening material too, while trying to convince everyone that this was music for sophisticated adults (song three not on Youtube hence the link). Sinatra and Tony Bennett were right when they told him to get fucked.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Oyaoc52ughttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcze7EGorOkhttps://archive.org/details/78_the-canasta-song_rosemary-clooney-mc-coy-parman-krum-dowell-percy-faith_gbia0032693a/The+Canasta+Song+-+Rosemary+Clooney+-+Mc+Coy.flachttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOqTIRMEmMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Mou6SKur4
>>130316548Rosemary Clooney did eventually manage to tell him to get fucked too, only too late after several years of recording this bullshit.
>>130313795Sinatra was a studiobabby and his live performances suck.
>>130316609My brother in christ have you even HEARD Live in Australia?
>>130316548Miller was also a colossal dumbass when it came to signing talent, he let the Everly Brothers and Connie Francis get away from him so they could make tons of money for other labels. Sinatra, Doris Day, Jo Stafford, and Rosemary Clooney were already there when he came to CBS so he didn't sign them. But if you look at the singers he did sign...>Guy Mitchell>the Four Lads>Johnnie Ray>Mindy Carson>Tony Bennett>Frankie Laine>Jill Corey>Joan Weber...you notice a pattern which is that excepting Bennett, who wouldn't let Miller be involved with his songs, and Laine, already an established star before he was on CBS, most of his signings didn't leave much of a long term legacy and all quickly dropped into oblivion after their chart hits dried up (and Weber never even really started).
>>130316658Like I said, Sinatra has been gran's lifelong #1 almost as a matter of brand loyalty, but I think Bennett was always a very very close second, and in some ways as a real dedicated fan of that music she probably respected him more than Frank for never phoning it in or lowering his standards as much.
>>130316658As for the one time he tried signing a R&R singer, that was with Beverly Ross and it lasted all of one disc.
>>130316429>he tells you he won't record your slop>you refuse to promote his albums and his sales crater>he comes groveling back to you>"well tony, i guess you're going to have to record the slop after all"Diabolical
>>130313968story time
>>130316609BShttps://youtu.be/avU2aarQUiU?si=PTc9YlM1uPFOiMdy
>>130316778Bennett also released about half as much music as Sinatra, when you put out that absurd level of stuff you're more likely to have some duds/filler.
>>130316658what he really wanted was compliant puppets who would obey his orders without question, and the singers who did do that ended up with pretty miniscule legacies probably because they never had much artistic integrity or their own ideas of how to do things to begin with.
>>130316658The Everlys released one disc in '56, it flopped and Mitch immediately cut them. As for Connie Francis, she initially went to CBS hoping to get signed but he already had Jill Corey so he decided he didn't need another Italian girl singer. After she blew up on MGM and her contract was up for renewal, the fucker then begged her to sign with CBS but MGM gave her a platinum-plated deal to re-sign.
>>130316548>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Mou6SKur4 [this is actually a revival of a tune from the 1920s
>>130313795she is as bad as those roasties who are obsessed with elvis
Sinatra threads are always interesting because there's actual discussion going on in them which is rare on this board.
>>130316031Sinatra was in the toilet at the start of the 50s because his smooth love man crooning schtick had become tired and cliched by then and it was a new decade that favored different sounds.
>>130315532he was right because Sinatra if anything wasted too much remaking old songs he recorded in the 40s. Como probably had the correct intuition that you can only record something once, afterwards it becomes forced schtick and will never be as good as the first time you did the song.
>>130321012Columbia was in abysmal shape in Mitch's last years there. Their sales were nonexistent and his own shitty Sing-A-Long records were the biggest sellers. It was really really time for a change when the Clive Davis era began.
>>130321012>As for Connie Francis, she initially went to CBS hoping to get signed but he already had Jill Corey so he decided he didn't need another Italian girl singer. and yet MGM took her when they already had Joni James
>>130322457She didn't become successful until Joni had kind of faded, but the main diff was that Joni was quite a bit older, in fact she had almost eight years on Connie while Jill Corey was only two years older so it would make more sense that MGM would see her as their next generation girl singer.
