If you guys hate the Gen Z revisionism of the late 2000s and Early 2010s Indie scene reducing it to just "Indie Sleaze" and "Stomp Clamp Hey" then why don't you guys just gather a group of Millennial Youtubers and or Influencers to launch a counter narrative campaign?
>>130342664the thing zoomers don't understand is we had subcultures so most of us didn't listen to mainstream crap unless it was on the radio at work. the default stuff normies in my area listened to was bay area rap like andre nickatina, mac dre and edm music. the closest to indie sleaze stuff i ever heard put on at a party was like crystal castles or digitalism or something. i never once heard stomp clap hey music until the 2020's and i worked jobs that had the radio on all day. most of my friends were either into metal edm or rap or some combination thereof.
most of the views on mainstream music are fake btw. its actually the norm right now in the music industry to buy a bunch of fake botted views on spotify and youtube and those count as record sales. in the early to middle era of youtube they did a purge of fake bot views and there were nicki minaj videos that went from 12m down to 2m views, and i'd imagine many of those 2m are just people clicking it because it was shoved in their algo due to the fake views. now days yt views aren't as faked as in the past but spotify is SUPER botted. the small artists often don't even know their label's doing it unless they actually read everything in their contract. point is that stuff is all astroturf. you heard stomp clap hey in toyota commercials but never once have i met someone who listened to it.
Usually generations get reduced to artists that only sold a fraction compared to the chart-toppers of their era but stood the test of time in one way or another. Unfortunately for millennials, they threw their weight behind, what, Arcade Fire and Anmial Collective? Of course they're going to get clowned on. Imagine pushing music so fucking bad that you broke that streak.
>>130342779Anco and AF are gen x. Millennials could never do it
>>130342664Because the other thing that was really popular at the time was Dubstep and EDM drops in pop songs.
>>130342779Those bands were good and the only reason you hate them so much is because they dared to be different. And those two groups are barely the tip of the iceberg of what millennials were into at the time. The fact of the matter remains that a majority of the vapid garbage being pushed in the mainstream sucked and a subculture of millennials decided theyd rather listen to music with a shred or artistic credibility over outright mediocrity they pushed on the radio
i don't really care. "indie sleaze" was the last gasp of innovative popular American music on a mainstream level. even though it's only 15 years ago, it's from a world that no longer exists. going to warehouse parties in the early 2010's and hearing house remixes of indie stuff was peak. i just feel bad for zoomers at this point. five years ago i was hopeful for them because they had a revival of all kinds of good electronic, rock and hardcore etc. but it turned out they had nothing new to say and have made the most derivative examples. their only memories of this stuff will be listening to youtube streams of it in their bedrooms when they're in their 30's in a few years.
>>130343355Not all of Arcade Fire was
generation wars are for Reddit
>>130346246what? isn't his name Win Butler?
We are young
>indie sleaze is when you use music to get laid>stomp clamp hey is when you're getting laid and need to make music to let people know
who's to say it will get any viewswho's to say it won't get buried because the other videos are already covering the same topic but are well established
>>130348398Or at least /v/, keep that shit off here
im telling you half of my friends were american apparel models and their hipster twink boyfriends in the 2010's. i only chilled with my art hoe gf's friends. i have a >$15,000 collection of artesenal selvedge denim. i used to ride a fixie to work. i lived in long beach and seattle. i went out every night and i get into every venue in the city for free on a first name basis. i never heard any of that stomp clap shit played at a single party or gathering. the indie stuff sure. a lot of it was good.>>130348448stomp clap hey was for toyota truck commercials. it was never listened to by a human being.
>>130348398the generation war was started between the gilded age and great depression and literally all the authors involved in starting it like f scott fitzgerald had familial ties to or married into international banking. its just a scam to make you hate your kids and kick them out at 18 to sell more houses and perpetuate debt slavery.
>>130350207>stomp clap hey was for toyota truck commercials. it was never listened to by a human being.kind of like Bryan Adams. i was never convinced that an actual human listened to him either.
>>130350231i literally lived on the top floor of the condos with the view on bellevue & harrison on cap hill and wore hedi slimane on my fixed gear bike to commute to my job at the grocery co-op and rescued cats in my spare time and i found out about stomp clap hey during covid
>>130350231Any of that 60s MOR sloppa like Bobby Vinton, Bobby Goldsboro, the Lettermen, Andy Williams, Herb Alpert, etc that clutters Goodwill bins. That stuff was just radio playlist filler and had zero actual human fans.
>>130350321i dont think most people realize how botted and fake the view counts are on a lot of music, unless they've actually met a&r and marketing people and looked at a contract. even the major artists who do have organic massive fanbases do it because if you don't instantly bot the shit out of your video when you post it the algo doesn't feed it to everyone.
easily at least 70% of views on spotify are this or indiansa significant amount of the remaining views are labels paying for their song to get thrown on a playlist and people leaving it on as background noise
>>130342664idc. zoomers are wrong, but it's not important that they be right.
right before the internet the same market manipulation was taking place with not just payola but also counting urban center radio plays at triple value over central america to artifically make rap look more popular than rock. "fake it till you make it" is the norm.normies will only listen to music with the validation of a large view/play count letting them know its socially approved to enjoy it.can't ever be "cringe" and authentic, you know?
>>1303483984chan has been complaining about zoomers since the term was coined here in ~2018, butthurt tourist redditor.
>>130350207>it was never listened to by a human being.Lumineers were quite popular, so was Passenger
>>130350370such farms are worthless unless their online point of origin is masked
>>130342664>If you guys hate the Gen Z revisionism of the late 2000s and Early 2010s Indie scene reducing it to just "Indie Sleaze" and "Stomp Clamp Hey" then why don't you guys just gather a group of Millennial Youtubers and or Influencers to launch a counter narrative campaign?Zoomers are severely undereducated.They don't really understand historiography, because most of them were not taught how to do it.One of the things which shines through in their output is the disregard for primary sources: i.e., people who actually lived through and experienced the things they're attempting to study.Historiographers of 2 centuries ago would have jumped at the chance to instantly connect with a live human being present "on the scene" who could help them sort through minutiae and misconceptions even the distance of a few days could introduce, let alone many years after the fact.But zoomers seem to devalue testimony, and instead favor cannibalizing existing historical pieces and the artefacts they cite, and put their own interpretive spin on that little bit of data they've gathered. They love their little cottage industry of thrice-removed analysis video essays, where whatever was said first becomes the fundamental assumptions of the genre.It is so non-serious that it feels like anyone who isn't them should be able to see right through it for what it is. And in which case, why bother trying to combat them on their terms?They frame the aesthetic history in a way which isn't even remotely useful to begin from. To debunk or debate it wouldn't proactively restore our comprehension of that era to something accurate and insightful.
>>130350628>WordswordswordsIt ain't that deep unc
>>130351398You're too retarded to read we get it.
>>130351398Fuck off pajeet
>>130350628Not a uniquely zoomer problem but yes I agree that this happens and flattens the previous generations into only a few examples of influential artists
>>130342664>>130350452It's just cringe astroturfed stuff so records labels make money off streaming older music acts
>>130342664The bands I got made fun of for liking (FIDLAR most notably) are actually liked by the zoomers that know them, so no counter narrative seems necessary to me.
>>130356410You're saying generations don't actually exist, which is wrong. Attitudinal differences are easily observable and remarked upon constantly even in absence of the sponsorship and stewardship you schizophrenically imagine.
>>130348424That's his brother
>>130342664First, Millennial youtubers and influencers don't represent the generation they came from. They only allow in people who are willing to support faggotry and immigration, you can't have a seat at the table if you have sensible opinions.Secondly, the Boomers/GenX still have a stranglehold on any narratives of any kind. They dictate who has a job, who keeps a job, and what that job is. Until they die or retire this will always be the case because that's where the majority of the wealth and property is concentrated. GenX is only in their 60s, we're not getting rid of this influence for at least another 3-4 decades.
>>130350231Bryan Adams is massive in India.
>>130350400This, basically. So what, a bunch of idiots are wrong about something. Doesn't necessitate a response at all.
>>130357167Gen Xers can't even keep people from knowing Revenge Of The Sith is better than The Empire Strikes Back.
