Chad Schumann editionhttps://youtu.be/wo2B3-SREhkThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130512013
obligatory gould post. let the retards seethe at his genius.
I swear I'm not getting influenced by the guy who hates every conductor but I dislike Gielen's so far. The trio (I think that's what it's called) in the scherzo usually gives me goosebumps but here it's kinda underwhelming.
>>130540998Try Klemperer or Celibidache. They're known for being slow in the build up and explosive in the end.
>Let them listen to Furtwängler.—Marie Antoinette after being told that there were not enough Szell recordings for the people
hopin DJ like a mad cunt edition:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbGWYoKtn8A&ab_channel=EduTrymusic
Reminder that conductors born in 20th century suck.
Romantisloppers ruined classical music, Modern classical thankfully saved it.
>>130540809why ask the local clown on his opinions?
>>130541004>Celibidachehahahahaha you cannot be seriousthat's like recommending Gould
I've learned from this general that there are no good conductors
>>130533739>There's a reason Mozart's Requiem is performed at church services for the dead!It's because they're already dead and can't be bored to death by Mozart's music
>>130540993Fpbp
>>130541339Why did medieval kings employ jesters?
Jupiter just sounds like My Country I Vow To Thee now-
>>130541044HOLY SHIT
Are there any pieces that just leave you stunned every time?
>>130542889Schubert symphony 9
the opening first movement to Mahler 7 is just bad, I skipped it
>>130542889Mahler 2.I'm always stunned by how much better it could be without the choral drivel.
infact all of Mahler 7 is a skip
>>130542889Mahler 9. Chopin 3rd sonata.
>>130542950*kills you*
>>130542889The first 3 numbers in act 2 of Mozart's Figaro (bonus if immediately after hearing the finale of act 1). Actually makes Salieri's monologues in Amadeus seem like understatements
What is this melody from?:https://voca.ro/1lkcXwLehxJv
>>130543918kill yourself.
Now that the dust has settled, what did you think of it?
>>130543964a bit excessive, innit?
>>130543964The first movement is excellent but the rest is kind of dull by comparison. His 4th, 10th, 8th, and 2nd symphonies are all much better even if they are much less widely known.
>>130543918
>>130541011kek
>>130542889Beethoven's Archduke, Tchaikovsky's 6th, Brahms' Clarinet Sonatas, Mahler 8, Bach's Art of Fugue, Scriabin's Piano Sonata No. 5
>>130543964The best thing about Brian is his first name being Havergal. It's not a bad piece but most of the "appeal" is from it being so "big".>>130542889Plenty. If you're not stunned a decent amount of time when listening to classical music, you're either stupid or listening to the wrong stuff.
>>130544202Havergal is actually his middle name:William - Havergal - Brian
>Gotterdammerung, 5hrs 12minO_Ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqWrF7aKsk8&list=OLAK5uy_laMGm6pRXS753PXodJLNbWuVqEss2Ea5Y&index=1
Fuck Schumann and Romanticism, embrace 1750 and before, 1874 and after. Romantics have a allergy to keeping the beat and tempo, Purcell is straight fire and brings the house down with some jig and bouree bangers.
>>130545482I mean since Schumann's whole shtick is his oft-beat rhythms and dotted melodies, I can see why an metronomic autist like yourself would detest him.
>>130545494The problem with Schumann is that some of his dotted rhythms are ruined by an ugly sense of melody and a schizophrenic sense of harmony, but I'm pretty sure a neurotic faggot like you wouldn't mind.
>>130541090Only Modernism from 1874-1945, Stockhausen is schizo cringe, and Boulez's music is a metaphor of how he wanted to be fucked by his boyfriend.
>>130545507Ya know the romantic poets idolized Milton's Satan. It's called creativity and formal freedom, gramps.
>>130540950https://youtu.be/XFIitXm6UhQ?si=8Cm2NOpOoQd7tlM2
>>130545560Thus fulfilling Plato's prophecy of the poets who had no respect for the tradition, enjoy being a Romantitranny, jumping off a bridge into the Rhine and being put in an insane asylum.
>>130545689your mind was raped beyond recovery.
>>130545740He lost his oneitis to a romantichad
>>130545740No it was destroyed by Romantic music and rebuilt by Stravinsky, Debussy, Ravel, Bach, Obrecht, and Machaut>>130545747Only Romantichads that are fucking are Rachfags and Debussy listeners, Schumann was a literal incel schizo
>>130545764sneed
>>130545817>*subtle joke and alliteration intensifies*
>>130545764>Schumann was a literal incel schizow-wasn't he married?
>>130545914facts don't matter to the BABIAA poster, nothing does.
Currently playing https://youtu.be/r9O80oxwhp8?is=DRLD0GFzaC3R0VNL
>>130545914All he got was Syphilis from a prostitute and had to marry someone 10 years younger than him, classical incel behavior>>130545939Facts do matter, not Romantic delusions of grandeur and sexless weekends.
Strausshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9Jv3CiNboM&list=OLAK5uy_lgJxR2bZ_NXUiq1Yg8gSzlDQ-t4Bq4bzU&index=4
>>130545764>Only Romantichads that are fucking are Rachfags and Debussy listeners,Huh, so what makes Rachfags so different from other romantics? Your weird taste makes zero sense but I'm curious to hear.
Am I missing anyone important?
>>130546792everything after Beethoven is just filler.
>>130546792Obviously Chabrier. He was incredibly influential in the development of French music, influencing Debussy, Ravel, Satie and Poulenc, among others. Franck called him the bridge between Rameau and Couperin and the music of his own time. Check out Marcelle Meyer's solo piano recordings of his music. The cycle 10 Pièces pittoresques was particularly groundbreaking.
>>130546792everything before Chopin is unnecessary.
>>130546847thank you>>130546834>>130546848frick you
Symphony no.8 should've been the last symphony by Beethoven.
>KreislerianaI don't get it.
>>130547202>>130547265Some pieces will never click, or click way later on in your life, or they just suck, get used to it.
Brianhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGAd0f1N-Hg
Opera freaks should have their own containment general
>>130546792Mieczysław WeinbergI might respond with more names later as I look through on a composer-by-composer basis.
>>130546792Asger HamerikMalcolm ArnoldVagn HolmboeJohan Peter Emilius HartmannKarl Amadeus HartmannPer Nørgård
>>130547995Who?
>>130547968>>130547995much appreciated
Thaxted is such a bad name
>>130546848Chopin is Liszt without the creativity
>>130546792Grażyna BacewiczElsa BarraineFlorence PriceRoy HarrisWilliam SchumanWalter PistonHoward Hanson
>>130546792Franz Schmidt, hello??https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1KXG0CHlRw&list=OLAK5uy_lenMuL4YcEe51Km6tkNp4qboQQtW1qkQc&index=1
damn the brahmsfog is coming in strong outside, someone must be listening to his second sextet on repeathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_aVRUmO-IA&list=OLAK5uy_mJkv9gHFgfzqadMQ2S87fz5CXMcamhtg0&index=5
>>130548332True. Liszt is Chopin without the talent.
>>130549079So basically Chopin is Liszt but beta.
>>130549106So that makes Chopin - Liszt, but good.
>>130549079Liszt is Chopin without any taste. Ironic he can understand appreciate his friends music so much but not write a single thing as good.
Chopin saw the rain dirtied valley Liszt saw Brigadoon
>>130549484His sonata in B minor mogs Chopin's sonatas.
Why is Renaissance so underrated?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xooLpB7jycI&list=RDxooLpB7jycI&start_radio=1
>>130546792Tristan Murail
Chopincels need to be put in their place now and then- not often maybe every five years or so. They need to be reminded that is effete tea room music, mannered and predictable. The background music for fussy old ladies. Liszt however was maybe the greatest musician of the 19th century.
>>130549628
>>130549609Tedium symphony
>>130549579Nothing (not a single sonata or alike) mogs Chopin's B minor sonata.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byr8mEEfITI&list=OLAK5uy_lNfsBH4Cb8ScOcp3Dihlzv4Xn5MzAoR4E>>130542889Scriabin's Prometheus, beginning of Beethoven's 7th always makes me want to cry, Tristan and Isolde's Liebestod... there are many
>>130540950Glazunov Violin Concerto. Any recommended/favorite recordings?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbQ1f4NNWkU
>>130546847Based, vive le France!
>>130549838I just told you that Liszt's sonata in B minor mogs Chopin's sonatas. Take a seat, listen to more music.
Daily reminder that Baroque is King and Renaissance is Queen. Do not fall under the neurotic incel spells of Brahms, Chopin, Schubert, Bruckner, and Mahler. They will fill you with anxiety, depressive episodes, and cause spiritual imbalance.Platomaxx with Palestrina, Josquin, Purcell, Bach, Debussy and the court musicians of Louis XIV.
>>130549838True except Appassionata
>>130549967>>130550119Remind us, which piano sonata did the GOATs of piano chose to perform and record? Oh righthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y44JnN-tJgYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skEZnUIbZgAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4L9hI0hRSYThere is something that your ears and mind lack, which makes you deaf to certain musical aspects. No sonata reaches the same artistic peak, sorry!
>>130550228But Richter didn't record the Chopin 3. Arrau did thoughhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfzHjVCVIN8
>>130550246>Richter3/10 pianist>Arrau1/10 pianist
Male Benis Phoebehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wIjn7qt_04&list=RD2wIjn7qt_04&start_radio=1
I had a dream last night that Ravel's operas were considered the greatest in the history of classical music. Odd. I've never been able to get into them. I should try again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPZGCiBxrLc&list=OLAK5uy_n8UOq74P3dqkx7jgnUQMc-hS_oDa8W-WE&index=1
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UimlbR1ffO4&list=OLAK5uy_kfXsYK6hIl24E0pCt4JUeTG7GZIrpKMtg&index=5
Boccherini Final Stretch; have some guitar quintets from 1798/9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YXleGIULMA
>>130548674I listened to that exact recording once and it didn't get me. But I'm someone who struggles with Sibelius and stuff
>>130546792I love how none of them have died
>>130549609because people here only know and care about the long XIXth century, a.k.a. late classical to early modern period
>>130546792no one is important>>130545689plato is for retarded pseuds who can't into thought
>>130543964postromantislop, no soul, no point
>>130550959What?
>>130546792Can't believe no one mentioned Ockeghem
>>130549609>>130550978Few reasons for me:1. I always struggle to find recordings to listen to, sometimes even ones posted here don't show up on youtube like >>130531655. Sometimes even pieces to listen to, they're all choral so how do I even tell them apart?2. I don't love choral or vocal music. I would love to listen to piano/chamber transcriptions but these seem to be unpopular.3. I find it too free and chaotic. Which isn't necessarily bad or not to my tastes, but the main reason I love Bach for example, is because of intense repetition and imitation. If you take that away it's just polyphonic cacophony to me.
>>130550652Wtf I love Liszt now
>>130549609Post-modernist soulless husks and plebs, now I will actually post a renaissance piecehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF7pK4TXtv4&list=RDAF7pK4TXtv4&start_radio=1
>>130551063All dates of birth, no dates of death. Just doing a funnee
Why don't those opera and choral people just sing normally?
>>130551676what's normal
>>130551676Cause then itd be actually good.
>>130551676https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6wysGU66fs
There's a lot more to Liszt than his Sonata in B-personally I don't really care for it much
>>130551758It's one of the few Liszt pieces I genuinely love. I'm not a fan of miniature pieces nor the rhapsodic formless styles.
Newfag classicallet here. These are my favs. How basic and uncultured am I? I also think chopin is gay and dvorak mogs him, if that mattershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89jOPAGJq-Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=disqzLW1QJAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caP7VY5trw8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MjEp_SAfS0 (24:50 - III/IV Feierlich und gemessen ohne zu schleppen)
>>130552004Dvorak is god, keep exploring himhttps://youtu.be/LZfBWDE0L40
>>130552004>classicallet>I also think chopin is gay and dvorak mogs himFigures.
>>130552004>How basic and uncultured am I?Very. Beyond saving.
>>130551758Ballade no 2 my beloved, I just love the low end of the piano
>>130552004If you like Dvorak you should try Brahms.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRYe6EwWpPQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9TlSOeFU1Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drQR-TAo_KUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDP3D-lD6ZQ
Rachmaninoff GOAT
>>130553422https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmSDDslA__M
>>130552032>tfw
>>130552612Bummer. I'll just stick to mumblerap and AI generated country music I guess >>130553046This is great! Thanks. N4 sounds familiar, speaks to the soul. German Requiem is really good. Reminds a bit of me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHq2g__E_Y8 (only good track/Album featuring any member of the Beatles imo)
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwFMn2rPvqc
>>130553586One thing I got to kind of critique Ligeti for is dynamic inflation. FFF is already about as loud as you can get, you can go to FFFF for Holst or Stravinsky because it calls for it, very violent music. But Ligeti goes to FFFFFFFF which to me should be "So loud it kills the audience" but when it actually happens it's like a wet fart in a paper bag-you don't even notice it. They should at least break the piano. Then again maybe I should blame the pianist and not Ligeti https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6LmG9myHxA&list=RDQ6LmG9myHxA&start_radio=1
Tchaikovsky (opera)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm7ORFBQ0Us&list=OLAK5uy_nVUx95m-XHLRYEzev1ZJiNKa6XZFAOO4E&index=2
>>130554321>warbling obfuscating the melody Tchaikovsky wanted me to hearclosed
All opera should be recorded with vocaloids
>>130554480Once again, anon, the putative warbling is in fact the music Tchaikovsky wanted you to hear
Speaking of opera, I watched a TV show the other day, and the plot centered around an opera production. There was an aria that took place during a thunderstorm. Any idea which opera that is?I could look it up but this is more fun.
Tchaikovsky (symphony)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab7la60hnzM&list=OLAK5uy_mRSvDQ_EcPqLRW9YL9yT3F95dsNR67VI4&index=1
>>130554568https://youtu.be/Bxq5oNcgjTgWell you can hear the melody they're trying to sing in this recording at least, so that's nice.
>>130554632Hmm, that is a dramatic difference, and it does sound nice, I appreciate the link. Well, maybe Solti was going for a deliberate effect on his. And I remind you again anon, I choose my opera recordings based on conductor.
>>130554490https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMcb-afhSd4
let's not sleep on Bach's Flute Sonatas any longerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QrBpmpXDog&list=OLAK5uy_l8iqrLltDUs2TTTzZ1uEuIN2HXCYrgJks&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK9_O9PVlyE&list=OLAK5uy_l8iqrLltDUs2TTTzZ1uEuIN2HXCYrgJks&index=8>When Johann Sebstian Bach composed his flute sonatas, the flute was in its infancy as a replacement for the popular recorder. Nevertheless, his musical genius rings out as richly layered harmony and emotions exude from each fluently written piece on J.S. BACH COMPLETE SONATAS FOR FLUTE & PIANO. On this two-disc recording, the mother-daughter duo of flutist Julie Scolnik, lauded by the Boston Globe for her “urgency full of fire that melts into disarming delicacy,” and pianist Sophie Scolnik-Brower further amplify Bach’s expressiveness, swapping the usual harpsichord for piano to deepen the dynamics and phrasing throughout the compositions.
*blocks your path on the way to the holy grail*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxnDSf8LNgk&list=OLAK5uy_kYkkTfREZiTWIrEYUSxJnMKVt96Rsoo4A&index=1
Least incel/joypilled Romantics?OffenbachLisztChabrierGriegRimsky-KorsakovBorodinDelibes
>>130555021Honestly how did the flute come to replace the recorder. It's a downgrade
>>130555347Where to start with Offenbach?
One of the sexiest Renaissance renditions, no Chopin or Brahms performances will ever come close to how anti-incel and pure sexpilled this album is.
>>130555382protip: you don't.
once again, it's pronounced moat-zart
>>130555382Well for starters don't listen to this loser>>130555960https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL6OyfAz5pA&list=RDGL6OyfAz5pA&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT6aFHG_oK4&list=RDeT6aFHG_oK4&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhAmlaEBMKM&list=RDhhAmlaEBMKM&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6gF6TunZE4&list=RDx6gF6TunZE4&start_radio=1Very catchy lighthearted music that's fun to listen too.
>>130556079I think you mean its pronounced, in-sell
>>130556130you forgot the chop, or the scree-ob prefix
once again, it's pronounced fart-wrangler.
>>130556142Maybe Chopin, but Scriabin was a sex haver, literally wrote music about orgasms
mfw Celibidache's Siegfried Idyllhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XX5W7rBWkg&list=OLAK5uy_n74lwDPHf3lVL9zQoYnXSD9NyjrhwMNB4&index=4Embrace the sublime, anon
>>130556079Austrian herefor English speaker its best pronounced as "moe-saart"The other Austrian composers: Hi-deenMuh-lershoo-peeteAyy-deenBe hoe toween. Wee aldiJeet raus!Chutzpen
once again, it's pronounced beet-hoeven
>>130556453>shoo-peete>Ayy-deen>Jeet raus!>Chutzpenwhich ones are these lol
never listened to Rautavaara before so I gave his 7th symphony a try and damn that was boring. reminded me of Boulez's quote on Shostakovich being a third pressing of Mahler, only here it's like a tenth pressing.
>>130556602Rautavaara is awesome. Please do not ever post here again.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDnZ0DYP1p0
>>130556481Obviously Schumpeter, Hayden, Strauss, Chopin you pleb
list every single Violin Concerto from all periods, every single one, NOW
>>130546792upload to rapidshare
>>130556664https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A-1HF_71dE
>>130556664sorry I can't. I'm such a fucking pseud.
>>130556664https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWUGV6bNm7E
>>130556664https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Aq1jbqpWk
>>130556664Violin Concerto
>>130556453You may pronounce them the way they're intended to, but you can't phonetic-spell in english worth shit my lad
>>130554490All (worthwhile) operas should be recorded completely without vocals at least once in a while is probably my hottest take
>>130550659honesly I can hardly hear the guitar most of the time
i'm honestly not a huge fan of Moe's Art
fptmiu
>>130556750Imagine if all commercial studio recordings of opera came with the option of muting the vocal tracks. I can't imagine we don't have the technology to make it happen easily.
>>130551676>sing normallyNo such thing. Singing isn't normal, it's stylized belching, no matter the genre.
>>130556931>muting the vocal tracks and only listening to the orchestral:/>listening to vocal and orchestral tracks:)>muting the orchestral track and only listening to the vocals:O
>>130557112Why not just record acappella operas then? Imagine the saving on production costs. Personally I don't get it, even though I love acapella music, choral or otherwise. What I want is a chance to listen to the complete INSTRUMENTAL recordings of the big ones. Just 15 hours of Ring Cycle but it's only the instrumental music, which is, I always thought, the whole POINT. Otherwise just record the opera singers singing the opera and place it together with minutes if not hours of silence and listen to the entire work with no music that doesn't come from a person's mouth. Because THAT'S what really matters, apparently, not the music itself.And no, suites don't cut it. Don't give me a selection of maybe six or eight, three-to-five long bits like the opera equivalent of a "best of". God damn.
>>130557219three-to-five minute* long bits
>>130556931>>130557219>>130557234Are there really no, for example, complete recordings of the Ring Cycle with the instruments alone, no vocals? It would seem like an obvious no brainer product to offer, especially for those who love speding hours analysing every musical aspect of the scores, or for those who want to conjure the karaoke session to end all karaoke sessions. I don't know, I see a lot of economic potential for purely instrumental recordings. Can you imagine getting a bunch of friends and going throuh some of Mozart's or Verdi after a few drinks? Sounds like a hell of a time.
>>130557262They have, after all, recorded piano solo versions of some of the greatest song cycles of all time such as Vinterreise. I really, really liked those.
Currently playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaoku5bhfmc&list=RDiaoku5bhfmc&start_radio=1I love Horowitz so much, bros...
>>130557277And I love Clementi, but.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrVYCVlSCf0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bENilc-YcREhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHm7WzR1B-w
we all are here to experienge the harrowing vision of reaching ever so closer to perfection only for it to deny itself to us, drifting ever faster away from us, forever.... That's life, man.... That's art.............
>>130557327I'm sorry but Horowitz sounds better. Playful, energetic even a bit lustful.
did you listen to George Lloyd's Symphony No. 5 yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqBsMfn8fy8
>>130557387>Playful, energetic even a bit lustful.You sound like a fucking retard.
>>130557482Not my problem if you can't tell the difference between two very distinct recordings.
>>130556674yeah lemme just upload 3TB real quick
>>130557494Nice strawman, midwit
I am thorougly unimpressed by Bernstein's (New York Philharmonic) Beethoven.
>>130558291The Vienna set is much better (for the symphonies)
bleib bei uuuunshttps://youtu.be/d7kqQUpzlFE?si=MKVyQfoEp15ehhy9
>>130556100thanks
need a break from Strauss and Wagner, might do an all Verdi and Puccini dayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNGHvetth8Q&list=OLAK5uy_lRjSpp2fq9kmQHzNapHzdZGAk59oaZCz8&index=2
>>130559217
>>130559217>>130559537https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gc3myuGqaI&list=OLAK5uy_lRjSpp2fq9kmQHzNapHzdZGAk59oaZCz8&index=20
Bruckner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=didE1SWbJDQ&list=OLAK5uy_khbesvqKbna_wXLtQQyNygh-To2trYwk8&index=1
>>130557387gay
>>130558291>I am thorougly unimpressed by Bernsteinsame
>>130561274I like his Haydn
>original version is better than revised versionevery fucking time, man, why do they bother
>>130561295>*makes you look retarded*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxSKMXdBWUoAt the end of it's premiere, a critic called Robert Lorenz stood up and shouted "Thank God it's over!"
Verdihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e9uJ5L0Htw&list=OLAK5uy_ml9KfDi6qfWTuYXtdP9gmvptMInJ7Sna0&index=7
>>130561537I think they mean for compositions, not recordings, anonbut respectable
Which Shostakovich string quartets are must listens besides the 8th? And don't just say "all of them", there's 15 of the suckers and a most of them are of symphonic length. I'm asking which of them I should prioritise
>>130560316His symphony is named Wagner? kek
>>130562039The 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 9th, 13th, 14th, 15thJust listen to them in order.
>>130556613if you like Hans Zimmer then I can see how you would like Rautavaara
now playingstart of Chopin: 24 Préludes, Op. 28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ql9V3POdD8&list=OLAK5uy_k0aBEwi-FbO7IVQv_bofwfCIUUJFMHrzE&index=2start of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 3 in B Minor, Op. 58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvMMajnmQww&list=OLAK5uy_k0aBEwi-FbO7IVQv_bofwfCIUUJFMHrzE&index=26Chopin: 4 Mazurkas, Op. Posth. 68: No. 4 in F Minor: Andantinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plJ7iRYfjOg&list=OLAK5uy_k0aBEwi-FbO7IVQv_bofwfCIUUJFMHrzE&index=29https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k0aBEwi-FbO7IVQv_bofwfCIUUJFMHrzE
>>130556602Boulez was wrong about everything
let me guess...you need more?
>>130562432I could probably survive on exclusively Beethoven.
>>130562432I only need Chopin though.
>>130562456>no violin sonatas>no symphonies>no vocal music>no string quartets:O
>>130562456Solo piano music is great but you hav eto mix it in with the rest of your library otherwise it gets a bit monotonous like listening to gameboy music
>>130562462>>130562477Okay, you got me. Chopin and Mahler. Mahler basically counts as chamber and concerto and what not, I really wouldn't be too sad with those two.
>>130562456This but unironically
>>130556602That's ironic since apparently he disliked Mahler.
>>130562315the only thing he was wrong about was his claim that Beethoven is more profound than Mozart
>>130562456oh also I forgot to say I am gay as fuck, not sure if that matters lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_aZ7bothmE&list=RDU_aZ7bothmE&start_radio=1
>>130561537what the fuck does that shit have to do with my post, you dry cumsock
>>130562039>Shostakovich>must listenoximoron
In your opinion what organ composer has a style that resembles Mozart?
>>130563388Mozart's style in what sense
I listened to a shit ton of Bach the past months and I still don't love him. The best were his organ pieces and The Musical Offering. The best single piece was Partita in E Major BWV 1006a, which was already my favorite going in. The operas had good peaks but few and far between. His "greatest hits" are good too but they are incredibly exceptional in memorability compared to everything else.He feels like a one trick pony with boring diatonic harmony for the most part. Sometimes there were cool chromaticisms, but mostly he is arpeggiating and his melodies are endlessly meandering. Feel free to post what I might have missed or something I should revisit.
>>130563506https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTYN2nyPvF0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTpfw18eLNghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Oc1P0Rkdiwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBB9UDpLfIA
>>130563506Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor, orchestrated and conducted by Stokowski, is one of the gretest things ever:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Sbk3E8-wsListen to it a few times. If it doesn't click, go back to it the next day. If it still doesn't click then go back to it in a week. Hope that helps.But also, the Art of Fugue, performed by the Roth quartet (other performances are garbage or mediocre) - do the same thing here.
>>130562462What do you need those for?
>>130563506>I listened to a shit ton of Bach the past months and I still don't love himdamn, sucks to be you. Skill issue I guess
>>130556750>>130556931>>130557112>>130557262>>130557219>>130557262Are there any recordings with separate channels for each instrument or instrument groups. So for example I can listen only to violins in a symphony. Would be great for more complicated pieces.
>>130563506I'm not a huge fan either fan the same kind of reasons, I consider the Toccata and Fugue to be his best work. I like playing some of his things on guitar but that's a seperate thing.But what Bach operas were you listening to? I didn't think he had any
>>130555384I don't really like classical singing but Baisez Moys is quite good-it sounds like souls wailing from the fog Guy does have a curious shaped skull though
>>130563838He likely meant oratorios
>>130563812>it would be great if X existed>hey does X exist?pay attention
>>130563901Thanks for the mansplanation
>>130563924Previous discussion was about separate vocal/instrumental tracks for opera. I'm interested in separate tracks for instrumental music.
>>130563388When did Mozart get so hot?
>>130563812What do you imagine the logistics of recording something like that would be?
>>130564027Microphones can be setup to pick up closest source of sound. I'd take 90% target sound + 10% other instruments. I'm fairly sure sound engineers have access to a close enough thing with usual orchestra recordings. It's just mixed into 2/6/8 channels to be playable on consumer's audio equipment.
>>130563997>no, my post is totally different from those even though it hinges precisely on the same exact premise and involves the very same technological hurdles, because instead of one track, I'm talking about another!Fucking retard
>>130564027Well I mean take Beethoven's 8th symphony-there's 12 parts. It'd be expensive sure but I reckon one of the big labels could do it
>>130564096How many hours would it take an engineer to produce a decent mix, and how much is that engineer getting paid per hour? How much money would it cost to half-ass an album cover and put it on an online store? And how many people other than you would buy this, realistically?
>>130564199You could ask the same questions about any classical production, since a) you don't know the answers and have no basis of comparison, and b) no one but a hyperspecific demographic would care anyway
>>130564217Other classical productions have a proven audience.
>>130563812The Spheres dataset is a novel multitrack orchestral recording resource designed to advance machine learning research in music source separation and related MIR tasks within the classical music domain. The dataset is composed of musical pieces performed by the Colibrì Ensemble at The Spheres recording studio, capturing two canonical works—Tchaikovsky’s Romeo and Juliet and Mozart’s Symphony No. 40—along with chromatic scales and solo excerpts for each instrumenthttps://zenodo.org/records/17347681
>>130563812>>130564199>>130564217Why not just listen to MIDI? Seriously, if you're curious what each part sounds like, use Musescore or whatever.
>>130564252Man, wouldn't it be cool if this reply made any sense at all>>130564272hell, why not just hum the melodies since clearly the music doesn't matter beyond what's on the paper
>>130564282Why not just listen to the actual piece then if the music is so important?
Here's foss for splitting vocals and accompaniment.https://github.com/deezer/spleeter
Split me in half while we listen to Scriabin's 5th, if you know what I mean.
>>130563698tasteless romantic melodrama specifically made for people who don't like Bach to pretend they do, so yeah I guess it's a good recomendation to that guy
>>130563838>Toccata and FugueYe those were great. My favorite was BWV 538 "Dorian" I. I heard somewhere that BWV 565 might not have been written by him and I think so too. The melody is too distinct and is given exceptional space.>operasI meant the oreos. St Matthew, St John, Mass in B Minor.>>130564538Ye interpreted this way he's nowhere near the romantics. In it's own lane, as an organ arrangement for example, it's still not one of my favorite organ pieces. I prefer "Dorian" "Great" "Wedge" the fantasias etc.>>130563591Thanks for these cantatas. The structural complexity seems to corner him into uninteresting harmonic territory and undefined melodies tho. In the Art of Fugue for example, there are many lines with the exact same notes as the main Swan Lake bit, and yet none come close to being anywhere near as "formed" as that.
>>130562432I do, 1750 and before, 1874 and after. Don't think I could live without Josquin, Ives, Dufay, Machaut, Couperin, Marais, Debussy, Ravel, Stravinsky and Bartok
Neptune>Mars>Venus>Jupiter>Mercury>Saturn>Uranus>Myanus
Verdihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOQ5Ek53eSA&list=OLAK5uy_kd02NNyy8gWtqCE2MZgiEsDMk8lPAqU-A&index=5>Plácido Domingo may be the most famous Otello of our times, but most seasoned opera-goers will tell you that Canadian tenor Jon Vickers was the best. Compared to Domingo, the Vickers voice is bigger, more focused, less textured, and lyrical; the Vickers temperament is much more volatile, like a coiled snake whose fury--when unleashed--was truly terrible. He recorded it twice; this is his best performance. Everything else about this recording--baritone Tito Gobbi as Iago, conductor Tullio Serafin, and the Rome Opera forces--is up to his standard with one significant exception: the miscast Leonie Rysanek as Desdemona. Her covered Germanic soprano sounds oddly matronly and remote. But with Vickers--at mid-price--this is still a good deal. --David Patrick Stearns
Eighthoven
one of the fiercest debates in classical, which set do you choose? whose Strauss?Kempehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh-QftCY2RA&list=OLAK5uy_lB7iqQzPfr_8KqfHPtRjo93HXfnokvlkk&index=5Karajanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vSiNq0nOXQ&list=OLAK5uy_m-9XtCKBMppyJfjCb7eec7v6sqQqv9SGE&index=34
It's crazy that there's people that like the 8th symphony of Beethoven the most, no way is it the best. It's Ok, the 5th and 9th are better for sure
>>130565500It's amazing. Like the 1st but even better, though it's missing a slow movement which is the best movement in the 1st.
>>130565500Sad folks allergic to the sound of the human voice.
>>130565500Honestly I don't even know how yo0u decide one is better, I like them too much. The best one is the one I'm listening to right now
now playingstart of JS Bach: English Suite No. 3 in G Minor, BWV 808https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpoLbGlWo78&list=OLAK5uy_kwVeDECs4ErehzpQAf44tElogRSSXVboE&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 23 in F Minor, Op. 57 "Appassionata"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD2E63gw9Gs&list=OLAK5uy_kwVeDECs4ErehzpQAf44tElogRSSXVboE&index=8start of Schumann: Symphonic Études, Op. 13https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjl5ZqueKsM&list=OLAK5uy_kwVeDECs4ErehzpQAf44tElogRSSXVboE&index=10https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kwVeDECs4ErehzpQAf44tElogRSSXVboE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f39a8rhk8mIHow did he do it?
