Moeran editionhttps://youtu.be/qcUbp8_YOMsThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130568745
Elgarhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoSyRMjJN2k
I feel like there ought to be a composer named Strabussy.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByYJNJLN6c8
Puccinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ_xGF722gk&list=OLAK5uy_k0Oj9oIcyqNa5ELff4Nl8Ez_nHyBA2i9Y&index=13
Bruckner 7's adagio should have been the final movement. It works far better as a finale
>>130598138Yeah it has a weird balance. The second half almost sounds it belongs from a different symphony entirely.
>>130598138what a moronic opinion. a symphony should go out with a blazing finale, not a whimper.
Gershwinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSwoldJDrI&list=RD6zSwoldJDrI&start_radio=1
>>130598249The flag in the feather might be the most kitsch thing I've seen this week. Nice piece and recording though, can always count on Previn for a rhythmic, lively performance.
>>130598162>blazing finaleEw
I've said it before, I'll say it again -- you do the first movement of Bruckner's 9th, then the first two movements of his 7th, and then close with the 9th's Adagio, and you have the greatest symphony ever.
>>130598162But the adagio is literally the movement where the whole orchestra plays at once. For some reason for bruckner 7 and 8 he puts cymbal clashes and triangles in his adagios but then not in his finales
>>130598633Nah, still not better than Mahler's 9th. Hell, not even better than adagio of the 10th or the 6th.
>>130599418Mahler's 8th is objectively better
>>130599596Than 1st and 2nd maybe, yeah. That's about it.
i can't even remember the last time i listened to bruckner 7's last two movements. same with schubert 9.
The chugging string ostinato in Shostakovich's 8th really pleases me, recommend me other pieces for this feel
>>130600222I'm the anon who posted Shos 8 earlier. I first heard that particular section from Bryan Magee's TV series on philosophers. It fits the space themed open credits perfectly hence why I decided to share a link to it in this thread.If you're looking for similar sounding music, I can't recommend much apart from the score to Star Trek VI by James Horner:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9MejKvs2sg
>>130600533Interestingly, I also heard it first from an educational TV show, albeit a Russian one.
>>130600654>Education>Russia
Beethoven is my favorite. Between him and Bach, why listen the anything else?
>>130601163Why eat anything other than chocolate and pizza? Why drink anything other than champagne?
>>130601163i don't know
>>130600222The 10th, of course.
>>130601163Because Chopin mogged everything on earth from Socrates to Paul Dirac?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZu5z5u_jM
>>130601163Their music wasn't spectrally informed so they miss a lot of the psychoacoustical aspects of the listening experience, it's like only eating fruits & nuts and thinking you are done with culinary.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnaeUfNE-ew
>>130598249That bird thinks every state after Tennessee was a mistake
Beethoven really broke the mold with the 6th
Thanks to whoever made me listen to late Haydn 99 again a few days ago
>>130602125True, I forgot Chopin. Add him to the list.
>>130602222>Schoenbergclosed
>>130602769?
Total Ignaz Friedman supremacyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpfMOUtscB4This is the best Chopin etudes, for anyone curious how these pieces sound like at their best. It's extremely unfortunate we don't have all the etudes.
Classical has been letting me down recently after listening to one movement of the planets at night I haven’t found a replacement. I guess I’ll trySymphony fantastique by Berlioz
>>130603345Sonic 06 Chopin with lots of hiss to drown out the piano
>>130603441One movement of the planets at night?
>>130603461The hiss cannot possibly drown Friedman's supreme crescendos.
>>130602222Checked>>130602839It will remain a mystery
>>130603479That’s right
>>130599608Mahler 1&2 are my favorites, but I’m biased because those are the only two I have performed
>>130603565Clarinet 3 part is so fun on symphony 1. Bass, Bb, Eb, C. You need an arsenal of instruments and transposition skills to play it
>>1306035651, 2, and 8, while great, are worst Mahler symphonies. The man could do better, and he definitely did.
>>130581387Boccherini chad, can I get a recommendation for his piano quintets? Any good recordings?
>>130603661I must have normie taste because those are my 3 favorites. I’ll have to listen to his other pieces with a better ear. I never understood the appeal of the adagietto of #5 but it probably just needs different attention than the obvious pieces
Mephisto Waltzes and Chopin's preludes too I guess
This recording has spoiled the work for me, no other baritone matches Dieskau's singing
Not sure whether I should watch gay porn or listen to Beethoven sonatas for tonight.
>>130604666Obviously the sodomy with those trips.
Gramophone praised picrel and spoke of the "obvious kinship" between it and Bernstein's Vienna recording. Is the reviewer out of his mind or a paid shill?
>>130604857They're both in Vienna
>>130603661The 2nd is not worse than the 4th or the 7th.
>>1306049694th is clearly better, 7th is arguably an equal
The way Horowitz does a slow crescendo in the recapitulation of the second theme here is so fucking epic.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-D8O8-TzI4
Why do people pretend to prefer the WTC Book 2 > 1?I vastly prefer 1.
>>130605758I prefer 1 only cause I listened to it many times in teh school bus as a kid and haven't given the effort to 2
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP_TrO8CpKg&list=OLAK5uy_kbFjeT1RFNthkn8HVCiqtg9-p5GlSL3Ow&index=29
>>130604857they gave it a positive rating? Hmm, maybe I will give it a try.>>130605758They each have their strengths. I don't know, having read a lot of interviews with pianists, I've seen the preference for the second book more often than not.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDaXc9PenAM&list=OLAK5uy_nXZrYRnTHOmXSsccwZXvgIi3nSrOp-etE&index=55
*ahem*TRIIIIISTAAAAAANhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH8P_ymxcZY&list=OLAK5uy_ncXOYMV-IbfH4XeamUoYeLdbdhJyDZdyM&index=20
I'm playing Strauss' Salome, Elektra, Daphne, and Die Frau ohne Schatten on repeat in hopes of turning my zoomette gf into a BPDemonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HpP_jXSNeY&list=OLAK5uy_lu0gL38LSiAmfNcbSX55efkYRvzaLlnng&index=1
Paul Dukas - Villanelle for French Horn and Pianohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovcyRs_ijIo&list=RDEMbZwG5EYZyNvUgbPNcrLdcA&start_radio=1
Anyone like Rimsky-Korsakov here?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMIfippjpt0
>>130607363Oh yeah, especially Scheherazade and some of his operas. I actually hadn't heard of that one before though, thanks. I love Sadko and The Legend of the Invisible City of Kitezh and The Snow Maiden. Wish there were more recordings of them than just the one Gergiev for each. It gets the job done though.
>>130604857They're both slow I guess.
Do people listen to the WTC all at once? There's only so much I can take maybe 3-4 P&F at a time
Bernstein's Vienna Mahler 5 on DG is incredible, one of the best recordings of it without a doubt, but it'd be an awful choice if you only had one recording, the sluggishness wears on me if I listen to it too often, you gotta balance it with a leaner, faster performance.But on the occasions when I am in the mood? No one wrings out as much emotional depth from the score as Bernstein that performance.
>>130607442No at most 1 book in a sitting but usually not even taht much
>>130607442I'm not always successful but at the very least I generally put on any given recording with the purpose of listening to a whole book, yeah. At the very least, I divide the books into two parts, so I'll either start at 1 or at 13.
>>130607442yes. when you buy a carton of milk you are supposed to drink it all in one go. when you buy dozen eggs you must crack them into a blender and drink all of it raw. when you buy a loaf of bread, you must eat every single slice in one sitting.
>>130607729Don't bully mahlerkun
>>130607729>>130609151>tfw have the listen to the entire Ring cycle (13-15 hours!) in one sitting or not allowed to listen to it at all O_O
you don't like bruckner?? think again!https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4u4E0NvyAY0
>>130609245damn I guess I love bruckner now
>>130609151in my defence I'm not sure whether his post was bait or mental retardation.>>130609182a nibelung doesn't understand. it can't. it isn't a god in this world of mortals.
>>130609291Mahlerkun would never ask such a question, the labels give them full playlist and that means they should be devoured in one sitting no questiond asked.
>>130609307hey, a piano cycle is a piano cycle is a piano cycleshould I listen to Liszt's Annees de pelerinage or Chopin's Nocturnes piecemeal and on shuffle too!?
>>130609312Considering that the nocturnes were published a handful at a time over the course of years and not as a cycle all at once, yeah you should do that.
>>130609316yes but what would Chopin want us to do today!?
>>130609320I can read dead people's minds and I can confidently say that he would want us to only listen to his nocturnes after 7pm, played live in a gathering that involves at least three female members of the minor nobility.
>>130609320Chopin would tell you to stop being a stupid faggot.
>>130609326I doubt such an unrealistic demand would be made.
>>130609320He would want us to learn to play for ourselves unironically
Teacher vs AI on Bach fugues, interesting video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUc0zO3qAEY
>>130609420buy an ad, Penny.
>>130609457Lmao
Rachmaninoffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAR1vOV_Cvo&list=OLAK5uy_nuP3YGd2Vq-jWQ4ypfBZEunApPJOpaKSc&index=1
>>130602222Always someone with the screeching music making this point. Not that I agree with the guy you're replying to.
Listen to Rachmaninoff's The Bellshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_mLq2rGiQ&list=OLAK5uy_kivpKhSYueytL6gF_r0O3EC1EHn3afO1g&index=2and Symphonic Danceshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECRMGRxk-6I&list=OLAK5uy_kivpKhSYueytL6gF_r0O3EC1EHn3afO1g&index=5side note, I used to be best friends with someone who looked a lot like this composer. In hindsight, she was in love with me. She found another guy and we had a falling out. Sad. Anyway...
>>130609948er, who looked a lot like this conductor*whoops!
>>130609948Grieg did it better.
I would sacrifice the entirety of Mozart for one more Bruckner symphony
I would sacrifice the entirety of the classical and baroque eras for the one more Chopin piano cycle.
On the whole, Beethoven's piano sonatas far outweigh his symphonies.
>>130610151Don't tell anyone but I don't even listen to his symphonies anymore, whereas his piano sonatas are probably the most common pieces I listen to after Wagner's operas and maybe Bach's WTC.
>>130610156Don't worry, this will stay between us two.
>>130600222I don't know about 'chugging string ostinatos' but the things that most remind me of Shostakovich's symphonies, especially his 8th, are Weinberg's and Petersson's symphonies.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nho-yv72988
>mfw a movie tries to make a character sound cultured and haughty by stating they finish each and everyday by listening to Beethoven's 3rd Symphony::eyeroll::
>>130610141Giga based. I would sacrifice that all for just one more ballade, sonata or a chamber piecehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb45wt8RXco
>>130610168what character/movie
>>130610269Ocean's Twelve
>>130610294Why are you even watching that garbage
>>130610168Why though? 3rd is GOATed
>>130610328Nothing against the 3rd, it's just such a contrived detail.
Back to my Boccherini shit
The part from 3:19 to 4:14 is better than anything Mozart/Bach/Beethoven/etc ever composedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvyJNhJTu14
>>130611185fuck off and kill yourself.
>>130611185Alright, pausing Beethoven Sonata No. 5 (Barenboim DG 2020) for this. It better be good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGvunQkWubMThis is the best version of this prelude
>>130611355Indeed.
>>130611355a little slow
>>130611377Who's tempi is better?
>>130611622>tempi is
>>130607414You just reminded me to listen to Sadko, I don't know how I had forgotten about that oneI'm not sure I've actually listened to the Gergiev recordings (for snow maiden at least). My favorite recording is this one
>>130611355>>130611622Thank you deaf moron
>Favorite fugue is Shostakovich No.7 in A major What kind of person do you imagine?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex5wpwXmNUM
>>130611355*teleports behind you*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P632Kdzq_x4&list=OLAK5uy_lRPmNKAG56r-eBrFC3Yh5vQrxFODGSlI8&index=5>>130612117An angel.
>>130610151Well that's just because he wrote like 3x as many sonatas and they're equally as good as his symphonies
>>130612262Pretty good
>>130611377Ya this is why I prefer young Glenn, I can listen to the Goldbergs in 30 minutes.
>>130612833based adhd anon
reminder aliens in space will be blessed to hear from >richter >gould>klemperer
>>130613058Those are really good choices
>>130613058>>130613080Awful choices. If aliens hear anything but Cortot, Hofmann, Friedman, Rosenthal, Rachmaninoff or Lhevinne, they will nuke the fuck out of the earth.
>>130613154Not one Beethoven piano sonata cycle between them. Sad!
>>130613058which richter
>>130613207Add Schnabel. But he's not in the same tier.
actually Schubert is my favorite now
>>130613154>If aliens hear anything but hissAliens deserve better than hearing hiss
>>130613340no they don't. fuck those little gray bastards.
>>130613337Based.>>130613340Then we would have to switch to the different medium of art altogether.
Comparing interpretations is a cheap pastime, pure entertainment, pseudo-expertise.
>>130613438And this is the /classical/ general, so what's your point? What else is there to talk about?>The music?We prefer to let the music speak for itself. So all that's really left to discuss is the lives of composers and comparing interpretations on recordings.
>>130613466>We prefer to let the music speak for itself.NTA, but no I don't and speak for yourself please.
Wagner in the backrooms
Strausshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QSeBdMHzbg&list=OLAK5uy_lPZDslH539QYWTk1xsyJvuBJHOHVr672c&index=1A bucolic tragedy in one act.
>I don't man, I just think morality is subjective, a social construct, it isn't real in the same way physics or biology is real.>sigh *summons the platonic form of Good in the material realm*>:OOOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9_NQB07kqI&list=OLAK5uy_myW9GrXaEf_PpS9xraprLYK5cyWulb_-c&index=1
>>130613712Well the platonic form of good seems pretty unremarkable to me but I guess we're all entitled to our opinions
>>130613858
>>130613620damn Richard Strauss sounds like THIS???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHK8wqZmK0E&list=OLAK5uy_lPZDslH539QYWTk1xsyJvuBJHOHVr672c&index=5
now playingD. Scarlatti: Keyboard Sonata in E Major, Kk. 380 (Performed on Piano)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egxmovnz-r8&list=OLAK5uy_nncbpnyjcM-Y-3qPcn81dH05LDF92RDKU&index=2D. Scarlatti: Keyboard Sonata in G Major, Kk. 13 (Performed on Piano)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axyYrzI-Drw&list=OLAK5uy_nncbpnyjcM-Y-3qPcn81dH05LDF92RDKU&index=3start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 10 in C Major, K. 330https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncjm8FXTtCw&list=OLAK5uy_nncbpnyjcM-Y-3qPcn81dH05LDF92RDKU&index=4start of Schumann: Carnaval, Op. 9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbQRBHRFYT8&list=OLAK5uy_nncbpnyjcM-Y-3qPcn81dH05LDF92RDKU&index=7Liszt: Rhapsodie espagnole, S. 254https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj480th_P_E&list=OLAK5uy_nncbpnyjcM-Y-3qPcn81dH05LDF92RDKU&index=27https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nncbpnyjcM-Y-3qPcn81dH05LDF92RDKUI love Schumann's Carnaval so much. I also want to listen to more mixed program and recital recordings like this, but they can be difficult to find if you don't already know about the recording or at the very least the pianist beforehand.
Barbara Hannigan singing and conducting
>>130614193>I love Schumann's Carnaval so muchReally? I never understood why it's such a big deal.
Any good 1 voice Fugues?
>>130614482https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n44755ODDo
>>130614418Catchy, fun, yet complex with emotional depth. It's like Brahms' Hungarian Dances.
>>130614482Violin partitas & sonatas are basically that. They try to imitate 3-part polyphony but are usually one or two voices.
>>130614528Catchy and Fun: two words never used to describe Brahms
>>130614482>>130614630oh yeah I guess this is the closest you could get to a "one-voice fugue"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU5V0bD2WVM
>>130614705Brahms' melodies get stuck in my head all the time.
>>130614705Brahms? the famous composer of catchy lullabies? are we talking about the same guy?
>>130614705Go to sleep
>>130614754He's not famous for catchy lullabies at all-no one knows him for that. Intermezzo 1 is almost catchy in parts, that's it
>>130614705This.
>>130614830>no one knows him for thatIt's only the most famous melody he wrote.
>>1306148901 lullaby for fucking babies then, The rest is dull nonsense
>>130614754>>130614890>the lullaby melodyhttps://youtu.be/1M7CqNkh2Cs?si=5B8fF-WBqLs5iEl4&t=434
>>130614985>>130614830where do all these anti-intellectuals come from? why do they think they are welcome in a classical music discussion thread of all places?
>>130615009no one was talking to you Chopinsister
>>130615205Oh Brahms is plenty 'intellectual' my pivoting sister, if that's your thing. But he isn't catchy or fun
>>130615216Why so uppity, Brahmscuck? Even the most famous Brahms tune was stolen from Chopin. Lol
>>130615239you said Brahms is not famous for lullabies, so either you know nothing about this thread's subject and are just here to shitpost and roleplay or you're lying for some reason. I don't understand why you don't just leave us alone.
>>130615009Also the berceuse >>130615257Trvke
>>130615372He's famous for one. And I stand by that he isn't known for catchy or fun music-you're the one getting weird about it.
>>130615470yes Anon the Hungarian Dances certainly aren't fun and catchyfucking idiot
me when I listen to hiss Wagner>wow the singing is unmatched and the conducting is inspired, it really is worthwhile to listen to these old recordings, the compromised sound quality is more than made up forme when I listen to studio Wagner from the 60s to the 90s>the singing and conducting is just as good as those hiss recordings, and much better than newer recordings, why would I ever bother with those since these exist, only in perfect audio quality? best of all worlds!me when I listen to modern Wagner recordings post 2000>wow the singing is actually not as bad as they say, in fact I like it, and the conducting has some new ideas, why wouldn't I just keep listening to this instead of the hiss and old stuff?I'm so indecisive. Maybe I really have no taste. sigh
>>130614705>>130615470hate to embarrass you in front of your girl anon buthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UtXaeqdxlY&list=OLAK5uy_lO8GqjavV-zFsyS90t8I9NBDLgcxPELiM&index=60Schumann's Carnaval reminds me a lot of these dances, and since I love these dances... you get the gist
>>130597158Pipes look cool but smoking them makes your entire body, hair and clothes smell like a full ashtray and it sticks to you until you shower.
>>130615970You mean in front of my Hannah Montana OS?
>>130616011If she makes you happy, sure. And even if she doesn't.
>>130615879They aren't
>>130607729So no then? I'm sure there are people who listen to the WTC all at once-or at least 1 book, I don't think that's an inherently crazy concept
>>130616166Not only that, but often times there are recitals where they perform an entire book in one night!
>>130616127the entire world is wrong but you
*ahem*RHIIIIIINEGOLDRHIIIIIIINEGOLDRIIIIIIIIIINEGOLD
Move over, Bernstein. This is THE Mahler 3.
>>130616268>Jean MartinonThe conductor from the really good EMI Debussy/Ravel box set? Is it actually good or are you just meme-ing? Surprised he has any Mahler.
>>130616279Not memeing it all. It's a fantastic interpretation in great sound (if you can put up with coughing during quieter moments)
>>130611185Yeah that's pretty good
>>130616326I see, I might give it a go. I've generally stayed away from the older recordings of the 3rd, ie the famous Barbirolli and Horenstein. Might be time I finally get into that.
>>130616180It's just an opinion, tiger-not everyone likes the same thing. i don't think the entire world is clamouring to hear Brahms either
>Whereas the term "prelude" had hitherto been used to describe an introductory piece, Chopin's pieces stand as self-contained units, each conveying a specific idea or emotion. He thus imparted new meaning to a genre title that at the time was often associated with improvisatory "preluding".Oh that's bullshit Chopin-you can't do that. Call them something else.
>>130616460Gefühl ist alles; Name ist Schall und Rauch.—Goethe
>>130616460I like to imagine he did write accompanying fugues to the preludes but burned them in the fire once he realized the preludes worked together on their own pretty well, lol.
Have you listened to Liszt's masterful Annees de pelerinage this month yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDU6JQF5-b8&list=OLAK5uy_nYFrWI7eBj_AZYfFEwNBwQU32byBEX1wA&index=6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBdxlEWjWXg&list=OLAK5uy_nYFrWI7eBj_AZYfFEwNBwQU32byBEX1wA&index=9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFGjVOexe90&list=OLAK5uy_nYFrWI7eBj_AZYfFEwNBwQU32byBEX1wA&index=13https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYbnofqbkIQ&list=OLAK5uy_nYFrWI7eBj_AZYfFEwNBwQU32byBEX1wA&index=16
is YouTube Music ever gonna acquire the rights to Backhaus' mono Beethoven piano sonatas cycle? COME ON. I want to listen to it so bad. It might be contrarianism but a lot of connoisseurs claim it's not only better than his stereo cycle, but it ranks as one of the few greatest cycles of the sonatas ever. I MUST hear it at some point, however only like half of them are available on YouTube Music. so sadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oI4j5-oEfQ&list=OLAK5uy_nM0jy6tzkKSzdEDyiOq9W2i9Sl9ED1xz8&index=3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idxWZjMD6cA&list=OLAK5uy_nM0jy6tzkKSzdEDyiOq9W2i9Sl9ED1xz8&index=7that's the stuff
>>130616520I've been on a Beethoven bender.
>>130598320>99% of all symphonies make you go "ew"
Daily reminder that Baroque is King and Renaissance is Queen. Do not fall under the neurotic incel spells of Brahms, Chopin, Schubert, Bruckner, and Mahler. They will fill you with anxiety, depressive episodes, and cause spiritual imbalance.Platomaxx with Palestrina, Josquin, Purcell, Bach, Debussy and the court musicians of Louis XIV.
I WANT TO SEE BELA'S BARTOK
Name a more sex-pilled album than this.
>>130617207you already posted this nonsense before and got like 0 replies because no one understood it, what do you want?
>>130617216>He doesn't have sex nor does he coomThanks for the response.
I genuinely believe every positive review of a Furtwangler or Haitink recording contains the word "architecture/architectural" at some point, and I'm still not quite sure what it means. Don't all conductors have control and understanding of the architecture of the piece? What do Furtwangler and Haitink do so differently that it's worth pointing out besides dragging things on and occasionally changing the tempo?
>>130617226not only do I have sex, Josquin is also one of my favorite composers and his Missa Pange Linguae one of my favorite works. Your post just makes no sense.
>>130616520She's so cute /classical/, I want hold hands with her and take her out to ice cream
>>130617243nothing, those reviewers know jack shit (which is why they are reviewers and not performers)
>>130617254I'm calling bullshit, all Josquin-pilled people are sex-pilled as well. his music is like a lovers' embrace or a woman's vagina tightening around your dick.the fact that you can't under my post shows me that you neither sex-pilled nor Josquin-pilled.
