At the end of the day we can say that Autechre are the only ones from the so called 'big four' of IDM music that remained truly innovative, shapeshifting and radical in their vision of sound in more than 35 years of career. Also the only ones that remained active live without interruption. All other ones have faded into irrelevancy or became just TikTok background music. Boreferno by BoC is the latest confirmation of this undisputable fact.
>>130720939sureSIGN and PLUS are the only things they've made that I hate, these shouldn't exist
>>130720974They are decent albums with some great gems actually.https://youtu.be/GAUVdXMXOrg?is=GiGFX9wca4GetyZ1https://youtu.be/AgQvGHaO6gE?is=XyzQpyB8rqFjcR-C
If anything Autechre have done nothing except doubled down on their singular vision and approach, which is what makes them such a novel band. They’ve only ever sounded like themselves and no one else
ehemaphex twin
>>130721078Syro was decent for when it came out despite sounding like Tuss leftovers, Analord was the last real thing of substance he released, pick any random artist from Analogical Force or Central Processing Unit and they've probably released better material than the slop Richard has been churning out over the last decade
>>130720974The hate for those albums remains the most retarded perfomative act I've ever seen on this board.>>130721078ehemlmao
>>130720939autechre is literally procedurally generated slop for the last two decades. actual npc music.
>>130721981Its not procedurally generated since they’re still very much at the controls whether they’re in the studio or performing live. Your post says more about your lack of understanding than anything about their work ethic or approach to sound design
>>130722026>he thinks electronic artists actually "perform" liveanon...
>>130721981prove it
>>130722047DJs don’t perform, yes, but Autechre aren’t DJs. They’re building every track from the ground up with processing done on the fly, it’s why their live recordings never sound like their studio release version, they’re quite literally jamming out. It’s not procedurally generated because they have hands-on involvement in the process every step of the way, it’s how their system has been designed to work.
>>130722111nigga they literally just press play lol
They fell off a while back, when they switched over to MAX/MSP. Back when they were noodling around on old synths it was great. Now it's all soulless and glitchy but in a bad, non-musical way. I say this as a fan, I even own the GESCOM Minidisc.
>>130722150false but think whatever you want i guess
>>130722412They press play and then wiggle knobs which are hooked to random-ish generators and things. Bleepy static comes out.It's been like this since they moved to MAX.
>>130722446And guitar is just strumming and fingering chords. Wonderwall comes out.It’s been like that since they moved to the lute
>>130722446you clearly have zero idea how electronic musicians create their sound
>>130722504OTOH, they used to have actual live shows where they would have prepared material. I think that's the contrast - now they just turn knobs on generators of varying kinds they made in MAX, but before, they would use real synths, sequencers, samplers, etc.>>130722609I do, I'm an amateur electronic musician myself. It's fun and it's because their sound changed when they went the generative route, that I found the need to criticize them.OTOH, I can tell that YOU have no idea how any musician creates sound, because of your ignorant, Reddit-tier reply. It's cool, this is a Reddit board.
>current year>still Filtering the normalfagstruly the GOATs
>>130722873I liked them just fine before, the music was great. They no longer really even make music, just sounds. Lots of fans of theirs feel this way. Many can't admit it to themselves, though.
>>130722873I know where that photo was taken kek, that's outside the Croxton where I saw them in 2018https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JGU6ju90Os
Autechre is so dogshit how do you faggots still talk about these irrelevant unc acts?
>>130722768It’s literally doing the same thing, just scaled up to a level that would be impossible with hardware. You can find evidence of Max at the very least from EP7 onwards, at what point do you think it turned to shit?
>>130723930I like Max and PD for what they are. They're neat systems. I'm not complaining about them, I'm just saying that when Autechre switched to an all in the box Max setup, I didn't prefer it. They do quite well, my own opinion isn't that important and I don't obsess about it. Heck I listened to three EPs of theirs yesterday, I have that kinda greyish box set where it's all black and grey albums of their old EPs. It's all solid. I love it.Just don't like their Max stuff.
>>130723930>at what point do you think it turned to shit?LP5 is when they turned to shit. it's still good, still musical (probably their peak), but they overdo it, and they're high on their own farts. after that there were no lows they didn't sink into. they didn't make anything listenable in the 21th century.
>>130724838I would LIKE to like them, I think it's wholly a result of their change in process and how they work that caused me to lose interest in their new music. If you locked them in a room with nothing but the equipment they had in the 1990s, they would probably drop a real banger. But they each like to work in their own little lairs and collaborate over the Internet, and even that is probably more sending patches and emails than live-session jamming together to really nail it. Who knows.
>>130724879IDM was turning into pointless masturbatory shit by the late 90's/early-2000 anyway. i guess aphex twin killed it symbolically with his 2 parodic commercial singles
>>130725283He still makes good jams. Other people too. It was just that, people got to dabbling for normies' sakes rather than their own and their friends.Heck in the 2010's we saw a bunch of old hats go to making every bar and measure unique whereas before they'd have just picked a couple variations over the whole tune. This went largely unappreciated by the normies, but some people liked that extra touch. I did. Now the various sequencers and DAWs have features to do that under control which is nice too, but not quite the same thing.
pusher is mogging them all lately
>>130720939mouse on mars, ovak
listen to Yuniper!
>>130725801not really
>>130720993sounds like video game music. not real music
>>130725348i forever associate that kind of "music" with richard devine. you start "making every bar and measure unique" and you end up being a lolcow
>>130727135you sound like a bot. not a real person
>>130728701LMFAOOOOO fucking Devine...my friend and I used to refer to him as "The Lesser Rich" in comparison to Aphex. He makes absolute pig-slop.
>>130723070>They no longer really even make music, just sounds.YES, you nailed it.i can take a bit of mood/ambiance but sheeit, give me SOMETHING at some point.i've kept going back to autechre and downloading their stuff to keep up but haven't been really enthusiastic about a single track since... um... i think draft.0
>>130728701>you start "making every bar and measure unique" and you end upmaking the most frustrating music ever, music needs a minimum of repetition
>>130729569>>130729684>>130729694Shouldn't you guys be posting in the Boards of Garbage general instead?
>>130729569the guy has also polluted most soft synths with presets of his that are all unusable shit noise.yet i guess he's not really pretentious so all i feel when i see him is pity
>>130721073>If anything Autechre have done nothing except doubled down on their singular vision and approachAll I see with posts like yours is someone doubling down on the cope after having wasted your money on their latest "random shit sounds bank" of an album (now with more exxtra big ass glitch-hop and FM synthesis electrolytes)
>>130721981 >>130723382 >>130731211 The lo-fi downtempo beats general conceived for brainlets like you is here: >>130728501
this is literally the 'emperor has no clothes' debateerm sweatie you're just not smart enough to understand the auteche audible wallpaper
>>130732025sorry but the redditards who worship BOC and those who worship autechre are mostly the same, and you're not smarter or anything special.i see a lot of those IDM fetishists 30 years late trying hard to convince themselves that they like what they hear
>>130722111DJs "perform," it's not just a playlist (ideally) but they will scratch and beat match and drop this and that, there is some overlap between producers and DJs too. It's not too different than people "remixing" the same Jazz standards for the billionth time, really. There's that one fella who does tape DJing. That's fun.It's different than pressing play on your sequencer and watching it kick all the synths into life and hearing them play and that's it. But a lot of electronic musicians are satisfied with that more or less, heck countless electronic acts have decided to tour with touring musicians they hire to basically just, nearly exactly play back what was composed on the sequencer.I've seen Philip Glass four times and the playing is so precise, so on-score that he may as well have used sound modules, hit play, and sat back with his eyes closed for the whole performance. The only time there was any creativity from the players is when I saw him and Cronos Quartet play an original score to the silent film Nosferatu on Halloween, that was so good and funny, everybody was laughing at several points including Glass.
>>130729684You ever listen to Karlheinz Stockhausen? He's important and formative, but people shouldn't really try to emulate him at least not even for a whole album let alone for decades. You can hear how he influenced different people. RDJ has some Stockhausen influences especially after some point in time when he clearly got exposed. Just for one example. But I'm sure he like many, have listened to numerous KS performances and Cage and etc. and been left with this feeling of wow... but you can't sell records doing this.Avant-garde sound collages are cool, but you can't sit there and really jam out to them. They get irritating, there's no structure or rhythm or other component of music. It's just, here's how sound can be an art, without being music. And that's OK.But Autechre veered too hard into that territory. I still think if you locked them in a room with a few bits of '90s gear they'd figure something out that made a bit more musical sense.
It's funny because an Asimov character at one point busts out some extermely antique gadget, which turned out to be an all in one musical instrument which has a bunch of buttons and levers and dials and screens, and starts programming it to make music and performing the parts, etc. He is clearly describing a sequencer, which he knew about. And the other characters are surprised because all the music they ever heard to that point was "generated on the spot by a computer" uniquely and had been for a very very long time. We're there, /mu/.
>>130732876not really
Itt: comically filtered mfs
>>130729694>music needs a minimum of repetitionNo it doesn't, you have a rockist perception of electronic music. Electronic music is not made to emulate instrumental music and became just a synthetic version of it. More than anything electronic music is strictly tied to classical music since its origin. Repetition only leads to formula and recycle, when music is not based on repetition, but instead constant transformation and possibilities, it leads to an actual virtuoso art. This was the primary focus of electronic art music that doesn't want to become another form of consumer music and Autechre are devoted to it.
>>130739578you're describing stockhausen who's a lolcow in my book, not only you musn't repeat the beat but neither the pitch nor the bpm. doing that you may end up with epic übermensch transmissions from Sirius but it's still random shit noise for the average listener.
>>130739748You do realize that you can avoid repetition and still have structure and composition right? Things which Autechre obviously have, don't be retardo. Stockhausen is old news, we developed far beyond him, but surely you cannot explore synthesis if your goal is making wooga booga beats to dance to.>shit noise for the average listener And who cares? Plebs and npcs are not designed to experience complex art, there are pop and rap for them to enjoy.
>>130739578>More than anything electronic music is strictly tied to classical music since its origin.are EDM and synthpop not "real" electronic music in your mind?
