Bax editionhttps://youtu.be/DA7U2AsbHC0This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130872806
Art of Fugue morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yauXe71LHZI&list=OLAK5uy_ldbQuu2l6uueuBCYNLSrbLHoYNmjYUjcI&index=4
>>130912190Scriabin my belovedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhAQjqfew2g
Best Beethoven 9th, deserves a reposthttps://youtu.be/R4nAMp4_Y2k
Did movements always have such long pauses between them like conductors do now, or did past performers play them quick enough for the transition from one movement to the next to be seamless?
>>130912608depends on the work
>>130912190Maxim Vengerov playing Great Violin Concertos. Here's Sibelius. Banger album imo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErVm0wHn16Y&list=OLAK5uy_mEBBwMe8Qa4NCIjfxc5MgUeSAo_sGEclo&index=20
>fucks your wifehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VhA_hrVQBI
Mahler 2 morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iRwbfYJ604&list=OLAK5uy_mUx_t0MJvBMwzJNH5UIuRjhgS4eY0gY70&index=1
One thing I gotta commend Bach on is his music, the best pieces at least, never get tiresome or worn-out. I don't wanna name names but there's many great piano cycles and pieces by other great composers that I just cannot enjoy at this moment because I've listened to them far too many times, so I'm forced to take some time away in hopes they become fresh to me again. But Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier, his Art of Fugue, his Goldberg Variations, his Cello Suites, his Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin, his Mass in B minor, his motets? I could listen to them all everyday and my enjoyment would never diminish.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psq-xXVBDZw&list=OLAK5uy_ml4DUTFNdaFhI2mPq1Uk76zDWXD_GBmjE&index=17
>>130915037This, except Chopin.
>>130913393I've immensely enjoyed every recording I've heard featuring Vengerov. The set you linked doesn't seem to include his wonderful Brahms Violin Concerto with Barenboim/Chicago SO or Beethoven Violin Concerto with Rostropovich/London SO.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pvYgllrZbY&list=OLAK5uy_nHrwX7q1qf1NcNDCVByxjzfNP6CHzc5eg&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b41-Y_hGe8&list=OLAK5uy_m2OtWJdE40wDmR5bZLWTmVvv5R3_t8Mds&index=1looking again, nor the second Prokofiev Violin Concerto, again with Rostropo and the London SOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLq_tLoURBo&list=OLAK5uy_nmhSk4AZ1oEWTvylHouTbhGA-sR_SoUE8&index=4I haven't heard all of the ones on that set though, so thanks for the shout, I'll give it a listen for sure!
>>130915098I put on his Nocturnes the other day and it just didn't do it for me this time. I need a break from it. Sad. It's alright though, it'll give me an opportunity to learn in equal measure every note and detail in Faure's Nocturnes.
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjbcsmd-1ck&list=OLAK5uy_kgokUrJTcET7aak3NR2HF0x54G5H_EMWU&index=14Remember: an Annees de pelerinage book a day keeps the devil and his demons away
Favorite wind quintet pieces/arrangements?Recently started one with friends, but I have to admit I have not listened to much of the repertoire available to the formation.I know there are some really cool Haydn and Mozart divertimento arrangements.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFd_I1nRMMo
>>130914755I like Kubelik's mahler 2 and haitinks CSO one. But both kinda mess up the finale for me. Haitink has the percussion a bit too quiet in the climax and kubelik rushes the ending a little.
>>130915222>Recently started one with friendsShow a recording of the first official /classical/ thread ensemble.
>>130915319Itd be fun if this thread started an orchestra but itd probably be 10 amateur pianists and 1 violin player and none of them can play anything besides minuet in g but still buy scores of works 10 times their skill level to gawk at but never learn
Bach's Goldberg aria. Realistically speaking, how long would it take me from 0 to competently playing it with my only prior musical experience being fingerstyle guitar from tabs?
>>130915319All I have is a 15 sec clip in 144p.Also we're not very good.>>130915334Create the classical music version of the bane for you scene voiceover video.
>>130915421At least 5 years.
>>130915181>Faure's NocturnesBased.
Who would you rather marry, Clara Schumann or Fanny Mendelssohn?
>>130915784>>130915784>All I have is a 15 sec clip in 144pPost dat
>annes de pelerinage IIIfirst time hearing it, didn't even knew it existed
What was the longest single movement in an instrumental work before beethoven?
>>130915421Depends, are you young? With a teacher or on your own? How much time do you have to practice? Also do you want to just play trough the score or actually have an interpretation. Still years probably even in the best case.>>130917029I don't think I can post audio on here.
>>130917791Probably the first movement of Mozart's Symphony No. 38 "Prague" K. 504
>>130912530it's really too bad that this arrangement has almost zero dynamic range. kinda ruins the whole thing.
>>130917932Mozart 6th piano sonata has a longer final movement. (Kinda cheating since they are variations, but still one movement.
>>130917014Neither. I find Sergei Rachmaninov most attractive.
>>130917014Both at the same time
now listening to the toscanini recordings
>>130917791>>130918111i'm pretty sure there is some Mozart movement that's 20+ minutes if you take all repeats, but I can't remember what it is
hillary :Dhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0w0t4Qn6LY
>>130917014Fanny's physiognomy looks more friendly so her
>>130917014Khatia
>>130917014Fanny
Francesco Tristano's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIRQzsFnKGw&list=OLAK5uy_nBNWBYJtLeuxJbnqbEg8ITmEK3aTO5Lj4&index=9
is this description enticing for you?>A graduate of the prestigious Juilliard School in New York, Francesco performs and composes music of varying genre's, notably classical, electronic and dance. 'Tokyo Stories' features a number of talented guest artists including French saxophonist/clarinettist Michel Portal, Japanese tabla player U-Zhaan, and Japanese DJs Keiichiro Shibuya and Hiroshi Watanabe.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCAEBsx4iUk&list=OLAK5uy_kejvUWvgCGqCfjuM3KDYK7JeSGoQvR_30&index=2Ew. I guess when you're releasing Bach recordings too, you're allowed to make this kind of high-low-brow/art-pop fusion. Whatever floats your boat.
>>130919211based
oh so this is the source of the KittyBrunnhilde picture. that makes it even coolerhttps://blogs.loc.gov/picturethis/2023/01/caught-our-eyes-more-brnnhilde-the-cat/
>>130920426>1936Now whenever I look at the picture, I feel like the eyes are saying,>If only I could warn them about WW2
Wtf was he thinking
>>130920492It seems almost no one here likes that recording. Fuck it, I'm gonna relisten to it. What do you think of the Mao Fujita recording which also pairs those works (with a third set of Preludes by a Japanese composer)?
>>130920503Haven't tried that one from Mao. I will try tomorrow
>>130920518>Maohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjlJ1hkVMFQ>tfw never be a student revolutionary living in Europe in the 60s
>>130920492What's wrong with it? Pletnev often veers toward the idiosyncratic, like a lighter Sokolov.
>there are no good women compose--ACK!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-U0r2o5cCE&list=OLAK5uy_lvyjziseRcxS7akL8I5xzd2-QhB1vKLEg&index=1
How come Faure's Preludes never took off in popularity and acclaim?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT8vYpIjIx0
I always used to think I didn't like classical but I just don't like symphony shit. The symphony was a mistake
>>130920956I love the soft, lush sonority you get when you have a section of strings. Contrast with chamber music which often can sound angular, severe, and jarring.
The opening movement (Kraftig. Entschieden) of Mahler 3 always makes me feel so happy and inspired.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wat--Z1VaJw&list=OLAK5uy_nYwLtWQoNbue-lWinQ0GwdRki9OKomlCs&index=10
>>130920871Now let me help you finish the sentence>there are no good women composers.There, done.
Saw Lohengrin yesterday.So you're all anonymous.Does a bunch of bad shit happen if I ask you your name and where you come from?Do you all ride from thread to thread on swans?
>>130920492It's an interesting listen, honestly a quite enjoyable experience for certified chopinheads looking for something fresh. Obviously wouldn't recommend it to someone who doesn't have a couple dozen other interpretations under their belt. Although I've only listened to it once; maybe my opinion would change the second time around.
>>130921939This recording is conducted by Lohengrin
>>130920426>>130920454>They would not be smiling and laughing if they knew what I knew: in ten years, the globalists triumph over the Volksgemeinschaft.
>>130920956Same. That's why I exclusively listen to solo piano and chamber music. Sometimes I'll listen to organ or choral music but that's about it.
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7GpfqlHe6c&list=OLAK5uy_kpLPEPYKsACZEdgUBEU_E9Lw3Df5EFB48&index=5
This was my first Das Lied recording and it has ruined all others for me in terms of the male part. Literally no one else sings like Wunderlich (and I don't even like vocal music!), especially the first song.
>>130922871>Wunderlichhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlb8mh3xr10
>>130922871Many such cases. It really is fantastic.
Why is a piece even considered a single work when its just a setlist of different disconnected movements?
>>130924879Why is a book even considered a single work when its just a setlist of different disconnected chapters?
>>130923039We are reaching levels of contrarianism heretofore unimaginable.
>>130923039is this the same autist that got banned from youtube a few years ago?
>>130924896But the chapters are connected, movements arent in the classical period
Good afternoon /classical/! I was hoping we could just a quick accounting:>TchaikovskyPolish>DostoyevskyPolish>StravinskyPolish>SikorskyPolish>TsiolkovskyPolish>RodzaevskyPolish>TarkovskyPolish>Matt Puzhitsky (https://youtu.be/4lkmNR_WU5M?is=FX_ejHGj9Zg-gGZk)Polish>ShostakovichPolish>RostropovichPolish>DenikinPolish>Most -sky, -skiy, -skyi, -skii Russian surnamesrussified Polish -ski surnames>Most -vich Russian surnamesrussified Polish -wicz surnamesRusbros, yfw?
>>130924980Right, right. Just out of curiosity, what do you make of this instruction at the end of the 3rd movement of Beethoven's 5th symphony?
>>130925092Exceptions prove the rule
Listen to the symphonies of Malcolm Arnoldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNbEqAPbVFo&list=OLAK5uy_mNpNF1g-qUCUyoPDcjM_0N9yFKRUoMC7k&index=1
What a hideous rendition, bro is half-asleep in the keyboardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3uTAaE0hVM
>“Karajan kept Vickers waiting in Vienna for several days, with no word as to when the audition would be. On the third day, Vickers […] informed Karajan’s office that he was about to leave. The ultimatum had the desired effect. At the audition itself […] Karajan listened to Vickers for all of ten seconds, after which he offered him the role of Tristan. Vickers, not unnaturally, declined it. (Richard Osborne)”I don't get it
>>130920956Only virgins hate symphonic music. It's actually pathetic how many /classical/s would turn into rabid dogs at an André Rieu festival rendition when it's entertainment for the whole family. It's not the real thing, most of it is pop but you can listen to it. Better than most pop drivel.
The problem with opera is there isn't much variety. There ought to be a dozen composers that can fulfill the same aesthetic flavor as Strauss, Wagner, and Mozart, but there isn't. Oh well. Time to listen to Tannhauser for the thousandth time...
>>130926222That's true for every single classical genre. You won't find me or compose a cantata or fugue like Bach's, symphony or string quartet like Beethoven's (no, Brahms ain't it), ballade or scherzo like Chopin's, or whatever else. These composers were remembered precisely because they made something irreplicable and unique.
>>130920956>>130922359Cant imagine hearing Mozart's symphonic music and not thinking human civilization peaked there
there's nothing more worthless than a "composer" who only wrote for the piano.
one day Chopin comes back to life and says to the classical community "why only the piano? all of my music was written for string orchestra"
>>130926383Mozart is the one who is still alive tho
>>130926346Agreed. Piano isn't even the most remarkable instrument, it completely pales in comparison to the strings section. Satie is an example of incredibly boring and tedious background music.
Schrekerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCF0XIhyDI0&list=OLAK5uy_kHlGBEDorKPIa5O_VQ78W5zvb0C8TZehQ&index=5>This is the same Mahler Fourth that first appeared on Intercord about a decade ago (it dates from 1988), and it’s a very good one. Michael Gielen conducts a direct, refreshing, and unfussy performance that lacks only a little brilliance at the big climaxes... >But what makes this disc special is the inclusion of a work that Gielen recorded before, rather murkily, for Koch Schwann: Franz Schreker’s amazingly decadent, hypnotic, tuneful, and otherwise absolutely gorgeous Prelude to a Drama (an expanded version of the prelude to the opera Die Gezeichneten). Here is one of the great masterpieces of late-Romantic orchestration, and Gielen’s is the finest performance available... Gielen’s keen ear uncovers more detail in this lavishly over-scored extravaganza than you would have thought possible, from the quiet percussion and rippling strings of the opening, to the eerie sounds that accompany the hallucinatory central procession. This well recorded disc is worth acquiring for the Schreker alone. ---- David Hurwitz, Classics Today
there's nothing more worthless than a "composer" who wrote for anything but the piano.
Hello chads. What modern composers (1970s and onward) are worth listening to? I've been getting into classical the past few years and really enjoy it. Love Beethoven, Bach, Mahler, Bruckner, Tchaikovsky, Sibelius etc. All the usuals. But modern and active composers are my biggest blindspot. I don't know anyone more recent than guys like Shostakovitch, Copland, and the early-mid 20th century guys. Who are the best late-20th and 21st century composers? Or is the modern landscape mostly Schoenberg-esc atonal academic bullshit, as I've been led to believe?
>>130927673Also lump "minimalism" in their with atonal for the buzzword pile of dislikes.I just want to listen to memorable bangers like all the greats have made. Epic symphonies, catchy technical concertos, shit with good melodies, etc.
>>130927673>>130927757Sounds like you don't actually want what you're asking for, you just want romantic imitators. My recommendation to you is to keep listening to your 19th century composers.
>>130927673https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA0ELYr0vuYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqtYe_17YYohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7p7Br6Qr-A
>>130927176Agreed. Piano is the most remarkable instrument, it completely pales the strings section in comparison. Bruckner is an example of incredibly boring and tedious background music.
>>130927176>>130928341You people truly disgust me.
>>130927951>Sounds like you don't actually want what you're asking for, you just want romantic imitators.I like all eras. I love Baroque, High Classical, Romantic, and early modern. I'm just less familiar with stuff after 1950 and don't like the more academic Schoenberg-esc stuff I've heard. Same with most minimalism besides a little bit of Arvo Pärt.
>>130927176>>130928341You people truly delight me.
>>130928352>"I like all eras."Everyone post your favorite Gregorian chants or you're a poser
>>130928352>I'm just less familiar with stuff after 1950
Wikipedia lists Rudolf Barshai, who orchestrated Shostakovich quartets, as having orchestrated Borodin's 2nd quartet, however I can't find a recording of it anywhere. Has anyone here heard it?
>>130928690If you have Spotify, you can find it here,https://open.spotify.com/album/2XAVEca19PN75ReTG9O1VP?si=cqNlPnQPQOK6JhyQ7RX1EwDoesn't seem to be on YouTube, sad.
>>130928074>>130928415Thanks lads
>>130929012>>>130928074(You)>>>130928415(You)>Thanks ladsyou're welcome :)btw here's anotherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZ7nmDqbsg&list=OLAK5uy_m0Xc1cHjhRVQcLWEGbLdMOIljnrmapYbA&index=2review,https://www.classicstoday.com/review/alexandra-pajaks-sounds-of-covid-19/>Alexandra Pajak’s Sounds of COVID-19>When this release arrived for review, I looked at the title “Sounds of COVID-19” and wondered just what could this be. Chaotic goings on in emergency rooms captured in sound samples? Andrew Cuomo’s daily speeches spliced and diced? Or musicians isolated at home playing together through the miracle of Zoom? The answer is none of the above. Sounds of COVID-19 is a 44 minute suite by Alexandra Pajak involving string quartet, clarinet and piano. All of the musical material derives from the virus’ genetic code. For example, scientists abbreviate DNA’s four types of nucleotides (adenine, cytosine, thymine, and guanine ) as A, C, T and G. Pajak assigns the pitches A,C and G to their corresponding nucleotides, while arbitrarily selecting D to represent thymine. Pajak then translates the DNA sequence for each of the virus’ twelve proteins into corresponding sequences of pitches.and one more, from a Chinese composerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4qIuL4P5Vw&list=OLAK5uy_kmLgM2cc3qJSViec-Z34tlBwR6Qs1t26s&index=2hope you enjoy!
>>130927673>>130929012oh, also this, which made quite a big splash when it came outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7xovNtF2Qo&list=OLAK5uy_mdvTHalaKaKojm8FKnYmlKxcI0u3W5ngo&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmnH7iFEYLk&list=OLAK5uy_mdvTHalaKaKojm8FKnYmlKxcI0u3W5ngo&index=5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlUTTB5J9Ng&list=OLAK5uy_mdvTHalaKaKojm8FKnYmlKxcI0u3W5ngo&index=5
>>130929030>what if we took a sequence, assigned each symbol a note and made a song out of itWow groundbreaking stuff
Busonihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoWZr7XrhjI&list=OLAK5uy_l4MVG4HapH-JdwIsiwgCfewRC2lXReP4k&index=40
I don't like the last movement of Beethovens ninth.
>>130929148Yeah to our jaded, informed perspective, it's kinda hacky. Like that Xenakis piece where the notes are arranged in the form of an image on the sheet. Yawn. But at least it sounds somewhat decent.>>130929335>t. bugman
>>130929148>>130929342To clarify, the contemporary Pajak piece is the one that sounds decent. The Xenakis piece, like all his music, is shite.
Scarlattihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P95QYiJxw0&list=OLAK5uy_lEXOM53ZAlVPiZuVmf731UVuu5SjlSrgQ&index=8
Ok I've realized I need to stop collecting recordings and just sit with a smaller set of music and build familiarity with it. So here's my 50 pieces, mostly focusing on composers I've enjoyed the most. Any thoughts?
>>130922871It is a very good recording on the whole, but it always kills me how inflexible Klemperer is in the 4th lied especially
>>130927673https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28gDrKkBStEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zikP9fNIoohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhW94wTBt_s
>>130929335Neither do I. It's his worst finale of all finales he composed.
Tinctoris' eight rules of compositionRule #1 Begin and finish with perfect consonance. It is, however, not wrong if the singer is improvising a counterpoint and ends with imperfect consonance, but in that case, the movement should be many-voiced. Sixth or octave doubling of the bass is not allowed.Rule #2 Follow together with tenor up and down in imperfect and perfect consonances of the same kind. (Parallels at the third and sixth are recommended, fifth and octave parallels are forbidden.)Rule #3 If ténor remains on the same note, you can add both perfect and imperfect consonances.Rule #4 The counterpointed part should have a melodic closed form even if ténor makes big leaps.Rule #5 Do not put cadence on a pitch which would confuse the mode.Rule #6 It is forbidden to repeat the same melodic turn above a cantus firmus, especially if the cantus firmus contains that same repetition.Rule #7 Avoid two or more consecutive cadences of the same pitch even if cantus firmus allows it.Rule #8 In all counterpoint, try to achieve manifoldness and variety by altering measure, tempo, and cadences and varying the use syncopes, imitations, canons, and pauses; sometimes with, sometimes without. But remember that an ordinary chanson uses fewer different styles than a motet and a motet uses fewer different styles than a mass.
>>130931474Tinctoris must have been a wise man.
>>130928900thanks, i had looked on Spotify but missed this
Which of Barber's works should I check out? I've obviously heard the adagio (listening to the full quartet rn), I've heard the violin concerto at some point (though I don't remember it, have to relisten), and I've heard Knoxville (which had a beautifully queer sound). I've got the 2 essays for orchestra lined up atm, along with the concerto.
>>130924980>movements arent in the classical periodMoving the goalposts. You just said "work" in your original post. Now it's "in the classical period". And even that isn't correct because Beethoven (and Haydn and Mozart in some way before him) already started thematically connecting the movements. And even in literature the chapters aren't always connected.
>>130930364>ScriabinBased.
>>130926346Phew, good thing Chopin wrote a cello sonata, Medtner wrote a violin sonata, and Scriabin wrote several orchestral works.Who are these mythical "piano-only composers"?
