Vagn Holmboe editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st01YUZkj0AThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131265150
The greatest of all time
The two Schu's of classical music: Franz Schubert, William Schuman.
The one Schul of classical music: Erwin Schulhoff.
The one Mo of classical music: Morton Feldman.*runs*
Lang Lang's Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkDsh8FcFPs&list=OLAK5uy_n3MXZKe-io2xkiCOryZMdTQ9ZK0zW4oxs&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWHD5EoMl1k&list=OLAK5uy_n3MXZKe-io2xkiCOryZMdTQ9ZK0zW4oxs&index=5
Schaghajegh Nosrati book 2 WTC when???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqxSqioT-xo&list=OLAK5uy_m3Um_otuZExUggk6hwpMo_g_O0kr_r1PE&index=44
>>131294818that is not a real fucking name. fuck you.
>>131294843https://www.nosrati-pianist.com/english/>Welcome to my homepage!:3
let's get choralhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvxCtFl9qBk&list=OLAK5uy_khH0iS-v7D1A9p9kpJ7McdetTeSsJ12FM&index=2>Howells was one of English music's great "might have beens." He established himself early on in the '20s and '30s, but the death of his only son dealt him a personal blow from which he never fully recovered. The Hymnus Paradisi is Howell's memorial tribute to his child, and it was years before his friends could persuade him to permit the work to be performed. As might well be imagined, it's a masterpiece of the first rank, and a deeply moving experience. Its success encouraged him to continue writing, and he completed several other extraordinary choral works, but posterity was denied the large body of music that he surely could have written. As you can hear for yourself, it was our loss. --David Hurwitz
>spend all day with gf so itchin' to listen to some classical music>put on mozart's requiem when she goes to the bathroom>she comes back and hears me listening to it>"oh, i didn't know you were super Christian"
>>131295030Girlfriend should know these things shouldn't she?
>>131295049hence the surprise
>>131293566Who??
>>131295133https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4CqZLc5570pretty much your typical post-romantic composer
Chopin discovers a tune, repeats it a few times, decorates it with increasingly elaborate right-hand filigree, realizes he has nowhere left to go, then proceeds to bang the keyboard with loud octaves or empty scale runs. So much for the nocturne. Even he couldn't escape the cliches of his time. Wagner's old crack about Chopin being a composer for the right hand becomes funnier by the day.And where did all those pretty melodies come from anyway? The man spent his Paris years inhaling Italian opera like oxygen. Half the works he heard have disappeared so thoroughly from the repertoire that Chopinfags can now safely call every suspiciously Bellinian cantilena an inexplicable manifestation of his transcendent melodic genius. Very convenient. The evidence has practically deleted itself!
Konstantin Lifschitz's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJLkKUeeWIY&list=OLAK5uy_n8Fwtb3obEv5yb8CgTJqtyIO7QQUhdq3M&index=14>Not since Glenn Gould's debut recordings has a young pianist tackled this challenging work with similar executional ease and unbridled joy. Konstantin Lifschitz blends heart, mind, and fingers in a way that makes Bach's textural complexities clear with a minimum of fuss. What marvelous music-making, and to think the pianist was sixteen when he recorded this! Lifschitz observes all the repeats. --Jed Distler
holy...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQoBaexDZ9A&list=OLAK5uy_kUELDUSiEHWmkHTD3WJOwDtvh-WmGu_2A&index=23
>>131295030A similar thing happened when I submitted a Bach style piece for a competition. One of the performers openly said I'm a bible basher who, and I quote "loves God and hates gay people".I neither confirm nor deny the accusations.
Is Holst's Planets actually worth listening to? Haven't listened to it since I was a child and I only remember it being rather bland and generic.
>>131295671absolutely. It's a shame that Holst was a one hit wonder though.
Woah, Jan is based...
>>131295825get a job and buy an ad you fucking retard.
>>131295853the fuck are you talking about schizo
>>131295161Kek
>>131295899This post is extremely low quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcfxxtl4KLw&t=399sI still don't understand why every single country just didn't surrender to Germany after Lohengrin was first staged. What is the point? What were they all hoping? What were all the major powers thinking? That they still stand a chance? That music and culture can now be surpassed? That is impossible. Music is finished. Music has ended. The Germans should have been given the reigns to the entire earth, every single country should have knelt. Every creed, ideology, ambition and philosophy should have been replaced by Wagnerian worship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-n0TLAk-28Wagner created this world.Wagner is light.Wagner is truth.Wagner is good.Wagner is enlightenment.Wagner is the fire.Wagner is the torch.Wagner is law.Wagner is civilization.Wagner is power.Wagner is sophistication.Wagner is order.Wagner is progress.Wagner is the Messiah.Wagner is grace.Wagner is the mystery.Wagner is the puzzle.Wagner is the singularity.Wagner is the riddle.Wagner is the king.Wagner is the lord.Wagner is the deity.Wagner is Romeo.Wagner is Odysseus.Wagner rules Hyperborea.Wagner is the Pharaoh.Wagner is Belisarius.Wagner is Hadrian.Wagner is immortal.Wagner is the messenger.Wagner invented the numeral system.Wagner created zero.Wagner devised the first language.Wagner created multiplication.Wagner is the oracle.Wagner is the river running high.Wagner is the deep sea.Wagner is the dark doom.Wagner is the chosen one.Wagner is the prophet.Wagner is the rebel.Wagner is yin.Wagner is yang.Wagner is equilibrium.Wagner is providence.Wagner is the provider.Wagner is the trough.Wagner is the crest.Wagner is Dionysus.
>filling out census form>come to the religion question>write "Wagnerism" does anyone else do this or is it just me?
Wagner knows best.
>>131296181fucking savage. I still love Chopin's music though.
did wagner ever write for piano?
>>131296251yeah theres an album from brilliant classics
>>131296251You're in for a treat.
>>131296181Chopin didn't think about him at all
>>131295482>hates gay people>nor deny the accusations.Thanks for that anon, we don't get enough hate as it is, right?
>>131296251That is like asking if Marco Pierre White ever made salted fries. When you have a chef like Marco, you don't order fries. And when you have a God like Wagner, you don't ask questions, just accept and embrace without a single rational thought.
>>131296367yes. gays deserve to be hated for having knee jerk reactions to any artwork that might be even vaguely construed as religious or "traditional". There is unironically nothing wrong with ostracizing faggots from high society/academia because if you give them a single inch they will take a mile.fuck you.
>>131296367Why are you being such a crybaby? This is why people hate you.
>>131295030>hiding your taste in music from your girlfriendkek
You DO play:Philippe Rameau - Menuet en Rondeau, RCT4 In CGeorge Frideric Handel - Gavotte in G, HWV 491Johann Sebastian Bach - Minuet in G, BWV 822Christian Petzold - Minuet in G, BWV, Anh. 114Domenico Scarlatti - Sonata in d, K. 32Joseph Haydn - German Dance in d Hob. IX 22 nr 2 (actually clarified as nr 3)Muzio Clementi - Sonatina in C, op. 36 nr. 1Wolfgang A. Mozart - Minuet in F, K. 2Ludwig Van Beethoven - Écossaise In E-flat, WoO 86Johann N. Hummel - Cadenza in C op. 52, n.r 1John Field - Nocturne in B-flat N. 17 nr 5Felix Mandelssohn - Childrens Pieces op. 72, nr. 1Robert Schumann - Album für die Jugend, op. 68, nr. 1Frédéric Chopin - Prelude in A, op. 28, nr. 7Franz Liszt - Adagio in F-sharp S. 192, nr. 3Charles - Valentin Alkan - Priére du Soir in f-sharp, op 31, nr. 4Johannes Brahms - Waltz in d op, 39, nr. 9Camille Saint - Saäns - Bagatelle in B-flat, op. 3, nr. 3Pyotr I. Tschaikowsky - The Sick Doll, op. 39, nr. 7Antinín Dvořák - In a Ring, B. 156, nr. 1Edvard Grieg - Patriotic Song op. 12, nr. 8Gabriel Fauré - Romance Without Words op. 17, nr. 3Edward MacDowell - To a Wild Rose op. 51, nr. 1Eric Satie - Ce qu dit la petit Princesse de Tulipes Menus propos enfantins, nr. 21Ferraccio Busoni - Prelude in C op. 37, nr. 1Leopold Godowsky - Alt Wien Triakontameron, nr. 11Alexander Scriabin - Mazurka in b WoO nr. 14Sergei RachmaninoFF - Prelude in B op. 32, nr. 11Maurice Ravel - Minuet in C-sharp minor M. 42, op. posth.Bela Bartók Mikrokosmus Vol. 1, Sz. 107, nr. 1Sergei Prokofiev - Prelude In a op. 65, nr. 3Dimitri Shostakovich - March in C, op. 69, nr. 1György Ligeti - Musica Ricercata Mvt. 4right anon?
>>131296877>Petzold
Is there any recording of Bruckner's 9th that has similar forces to Jochum's but isnt unreasonably slow in the adagio?
>>131296877>Fauré
>>131296367Just choose not to be gay, life is easy.
Pollini Preludes evening.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY5XmyDzhSs&list=PL_NUYmjdb-G_wF-7Zva91c1VNZk7MXOsg
>>131297315Doesn't work that way, bi-anon.
>>131296390you talk like an idiot
>>131297732Skill issue
Bruckner 9 > Mahler 9
>>131297941Neuroscience is not that advanced yet.
>>131297982Just like, don't be gay. Its not that hard
>>131297991You can't simply cut out your hypothalamus and rewire your brain without ultra-futuristic tools.
>>131297544What do you think of Pollini's Nocturnes?
>>131298021No need, just stick your penis in a woman, ez
>>131298035That doesn't change the fact that a person is not attracted to the same sex and it's like asking you to suck a cock.
>>131298045The analogy doesn't make sense because sticking penises in vaginas is natural, sucking penises isn't. Basically you're gay
>>131298072That's appeal to nature fallacy. Basically you're a brainlet.
>>131298077>I should be allowed to stick my penis in a man's anus because uhhh... Naturalistic fallacy or smthI am sure you're really spiritually enlightened with shit in your urethra
>>131296367Yeah you don't get enough hate. The onky thing I like about muslims is how they deal with homos
>>131298151Nice ad hom, brainlet.
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcA7ZbpaGG4&list=OLAK5uy_ln3KN7pkk7jL5hDcPw8PMLXTL6uCBSbkg&index=1
>>131298311Its a logical argument to your sophistry
can we get a new big budget set of Rimsky's symphonies? come on
>Haitink's Bruckner
>>131298366Rimsky-Korsakov*
>>131298385who dat?You have a point though. In fact, the only times I've ever heard his name said aloud, the person called him Korsakov and not Rimsky. But I like Rimsky. Korsakov does sound more fancy, shmancy, if you were just to pick one.
>>131298397fuck you
>>131298405np:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya1yrdlcwxg&list=OLAK5uy_lDRnmWF-BNunZvW4VNIiIMFcxQWCOY6FY&index=7
wtf is going on here??? 8min Adagio on Bruckner's 8th???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKxTM0rs3bc&list=OLAK5uy_kRulhJ9Ermy2AOz5-goDpfK-bkljGSYb8&index=51
>>131298151he should be allowed to stick his penis in a consenting man's anus because that's what he fucking wants to do
Godowskyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBu3_6jjfHc
>>131298342You don't understand what sophistry or logical argument means as you've just demonstrated.
>>131298468Clearly I did
>>131298495Glad we could come to an agreement.
>>131298376Haitinks 1969 Bruckner 8 with the Concergebouw is the best Bruckner 8
If renaissance music is so good, how come keyboard transcriptions of the renaissance music is so rare?
>>131298582Renaissance-style four-part vocal harmony relies on inherent beauty of human voice. Or something liek that. it's also not as good as later music
The ultimate Beethoven 5 battle:Nikisch vs Strauss vs FürtwanglerA post bringing up other conductors will be considered a silly joke and dismissed without further notice.
Lenny
I fucking hate Futwangler fags
mfw waiting for Dave to reply to my very provocative comment (or get my comment deleted (or get banned))
Brucknerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9315D3mbwM&list=OLAK5uy_khbesvqKbna_wXLtQQyNygh-To2trYwk8&index=9
Why are the strings so quiet in Walter's bruckner recordings?
>>131297544 the greatest recording of the preludes.
>>131300799
>>131298550(not true, by the way)https://youtu.be/YNona1BCvkY?si=3wBch4hWS98n0G2P
Great composers would agree, and so would Chopin himself, that this is the only true ranking:1. Cortot 321.5 (Rosenthal goes here but he hasn't completed)2. Cortot 263. Moiseiwitsch4. Lortat5. Cortot 55Honorable mentions: Rubinstein 46, Busoni piano roll, Egon Petri.Imagine yourself standing before all the giants, and you're telling them Pollini is actually better. You would turn red at their reaction, take time to reflect on that.
>>131301092Well what is it?>Inb4 hiss factory
more like in after hiss factory hehe
>>131301201My olfactory system is telling me you smell of feces
now playingstart of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 4 in F Minor Op. 36https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C0bWuq0uZ4&list=OLAK5uy_lLcr5Tsbpf5vA04L42YPqycGpJoWhx5_E&index=2start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 3 in D Major ‘Polish’ Op. 29https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGgFmNMaiAM&list=OLAK5uy_lLcr5Tsbpf5vA04L42YPqycGpJoWhx5_E&index=6start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 6 in B Minor, ‘Pathétique’ Op. 74https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1uZmF59cZw&list=OLAK5uy_lLcr5Tsbpf5vA04L42YPqycGpJoWhx5_E&index=10https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lLcr5Tsbpf5vA04L42YPqycGpJoWhx5_E>The universal praise from reviewers around the world for the first volume in the cycle of Tchaikovsky symphonies from Vasily Petrenko and the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra looks set to be repeated for this eagerly awaited second and final volume. Volume one garnered a Gramophone Editor's Choice and was in the top 10 on the UK Classical chart title for 7 weeks. Volume two is without doubt one of the most important orchestral releases of 2017. Petrenko's Tchaikovsky has set the bar extremely high.
>>131301200Ywn hear Cortot 32 recorded with modern equipment
>>131301200Cortot 32 over 26 makes zero sense. Either you say that audio quality doesn't matter, in which case 26 is superior, or you say that audio quality does matter, in which case neither make the list.
This is your monthly reminder Tchaikovsky has eight (8!)[4x2!]{2^3!} hours of solo piano music and it's all worth listening to.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EE0j8KE-WA&list=OLAK5uy_mxoUZoAJlG4y6WGzr0xsI5oUOtugSrlwU&index=1
You listen to Scriabo. I listen to Beethovia. We are not the same.
>>131301206Okay you got me there lol. But I will not listen to these recordings given the thousands of good ones that don't hiss.
>>131301369based
You guys have any historical reference recordings box sets to recommend? I'm keyed into Discotheque Ideale from Diapason mag and the BBC Legends boxes, looking for more in that vein if there is such a thing.
>>131301297It's pretty much a tie, there's more freedom in 26 yes but the differences are minor. I'm curious to hear why you think it's better, given your reaction.
Trifonov's Chopin's Preludeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0dGXcoAU0o&list=OLAK5uy_nR_RrLZAjp-vqpwdu7o4jXMkREFQYBiiI&index=20
>>131301493What no hiss?
>>131301544I don't believe in it.
I’m having a lot of trouble with the expressiveness of my violin playing, so I’m trying to really immerse myself in it. I’m looking for any violin piece with a high degree of emotion. The kind of piece that changed your perception of music or is simply magnificent. It doesn’t matter how long it is, who composed it, or what era it’s from, I just need something really extreme to listen to
>>131301600https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0tqdhbnpn8
>>131301622This is a great piece. I don't know the violinist, I'm very fond of Zino Francescatti's recording
>>131301645Heifetz is like Rachmaninoff of the violinists. If you're a violinist, you should probably listen to everything he recorded.
>>131301600https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrNp2lvOfcwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxpEa6U2ccIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGpnKwrtvuwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRwUKdK_mMEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoSyRMjJN2khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_bLVXuiZVI
>>131301622>>131301662>>131301664Thank you
>>131298655IMO the Nikisch Beethoven 5 is genuinely the best recording out there. Isn't the Strauss 5 notoriously wacky and not very high effort on Strauss' part?
What’s the /classical/ consensus on Khatia Buniatishvili?
>>131302473We like her body of work.But prefer Yuja.
Post composers who are literally you>pic relatedIntelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor
>>131302486I can’t tell if you’re messing with me.
>>131298655Toscanini (1939)
>>131302500I didn't know Prokofiev had an addiction to sucking his own dick
>>131297315kill yourself also maho more like my whore
Johann Baptist Joseph Maximilian Regerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpLBaX9aKOkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOBN3623d9shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wq4c2CL5W8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwQa2W9Dyzw>Often accused of being too contrapuntal, Max Reger has been described as the twentieth century's Bach; he was, however, also capable of creating music of beauty and imagination. He could be described as a transitional composer, as not only was he capable of composing works that encapsulated the great Austro-German romantic tradition, he also produced music that heralded the modernism of the twentieth century. Reger’s chamber music can be seen to demonstrate the best aspects of both these movements, combining expressivity with innovation. With his chamber music being good examples of this, you can identify the influences of both Schubert and especially Brahms on his development, whilst still trying to produce music for the early twentieth century, bringing their examples, so to speak, into the present - whilst looking forward. The Piano Quartet in d minor, Op.113 dates from 1910. Reger called the work his own solution to finding new paths and a thorough adherence to an expanded tonality. The massive Allegro moderato ma con passione which opens the work is both rugged and yet at times gentle and filled with yearning. The ideas are spread upon a huge tonal canvas and are extraordinarily effective. The second movement, Vivace-Adagio-Vivace, is what Reger himself described as a “crazy scherzo.” At once forceful and ponderous, there are some very clever, surprising and original ideas to be found in this ingenious movement. To say that the slow trio section provides a fine contrast is a big understatement. A substantial Larghetto follows and is clearly closely related to the slow section of the scherzo. The finale, Allegro energico, is a theme with an ever shifting, restless tonality. Again there are many fine ideas along the way to the powerful coda.
>When he was asked to provide an introduction to the piece, Reger wrote ironically:>"The work, naturally, has four movements which can be accounted for by my prolificity. The Larghetto (third movement) proceeds quite slowly; according to ancient custom one should take the other three movements faster, of course. Yet one could play it the other way round, in which case this music would sound even worse! The tonality is D minor—for which extremely daring claim I accept no guarantee. There is no point in listing the themes, for these would never be heard. A worthy police-force could not fail to notice that even in this work—as unfortunately I have already done so often—I have stolen, completely shamelessly. Oddly enough, I have refrained from using fugues and other such similar nonsense. P.S. If the harmonies should not be completely germ-free I beg gracious forgiveness from those apostles of tonal chastity.">Here Reger viciously invokes those points of criticism which plagued him increasingly: on the one hand he was accused of mechanical note-spinning in adopting the classical four-movement model in his chamber works, on the other hand he undermined his avant-garde credentials. For neither his themes and their developments, nor his modulation-rich harmonies and extreme expressivity conform to traditional forms. In fact the opening movement of his Op. 113 does not begin with a concise exposition of themes, but sweeps over the listener in a wildly expressive con passione and goes off into unstoppable waves of dynamic intensity. In this agitated confusion of voices, all with equal rights, it is difficult to get one’s bearings, even though the formal structure of the sonata remains clear and Brahms’s C minor Piano Quartet appears as the overwhelming model for it. An extreme concentration on slight motivic material counteracts the work’s ruggedness, which includes rhythmic and harmonic formations, and produces a thick skein of impenetrable variety.
>Reger called his personal solution in this piece, and in the work which immediately followed it, the Piano Concerto in F minor, Op. 114, as better than “all the new paths” and thus this working through “right down to the last twigs” is intended as an adherence to a strongly-expanded tonality.>The “crazy Scherzo” (Reger’s own description), Vivace with a slow middle section, is a typical example of the composer’s grotesque humour. This turns out to look back to the resigned main mood of the Larghetto as well as to the Finale which, with its gallows humour, is related expressively to the opening movement. This confessional music from a period when Reger had inwardly already said farewell to conservative Leipzig, combines melancholy, defiant energy and grim humour. When in the autumn of 1910 Reger, controversially, became an honorary Doctor of Medicine, this piano quartet attracted snide comments – it was described as “ his patients and their illnesses—psychological, of course.”
>>131295133Vagn Holmboe
>>131302956I do love me some piano quartets
Malcolm Arnoldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stcZd_FvAps&list=OLAK5uy_nWJv0Kv7t_7z9vgetnDjosVeZ4KUp_xtw&index=32
>tfw symphonies and orchestral works by British composers are my current favoritehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5dyxj_pSRY
>be me>feel like listening to some Holst that isn't The Planets>type into YouTube "Holst orchestral">first result "Holst: Die Planeten ∙ hr-Sinfonieorchester ∙ Hugh Wolff" (runtime: 54 min)>oh that looks perfect, let's try it>so sleepy don't realize Die Planeten is The Planets until the music startsfug
>>131298550Meh. It's just discount Beinum without the edge.>>131301194Funnily enough while I have quite a bit of admiration for Furt's Bruckner, considering him the GOAT in the 5th and 6th especially, I've never warmed to any of his 8ths.>>131301392>boxsets The Potted Ring Boxset is pretty amazing if you want to hear bleeding chunks of Wagner performed by the best singers of the day. If you're into Debussy this is a very fine and varied set as well.https://open.spotify.com/intl-fr/album/0BVuoWHwrbMzhvmeNscGKCIt has the famous La Mer from Roger Désormière which Sviatoslav Richter said was one of his favorite recordings ever.
Glazunovhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDE7gOKfGqo&list=OLAK5uy_mdKxfyc7SrZetIyPumarpDEStb-301-H0&index=21
Reminder: Faure's Ballade in F-Sharp Major has the power to save the worldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o22JADBLvy4&list=OLAK5uy_nGhxCZqGQ-r8MSPLXw2W54L3t6KUtbxuw&index=26
once again, it's pronounced 'fuhrer'
Thoughts on Delius' Mass of Life?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b2AYontwLk&list=OLAK5uy_kM4oHFwpCn73VYxvu2ztIszq5h0omRPOA&index=1>This isn't a mass at all, but a setting of lines from Nietzsche's Also Sprach Zarathustra, including the famous "midnight song" that Mahler stuck into his Third Symphony. Delius clearly intended this piece to be his magnum opus, and parts of it are mightily impressive indeed, especially the sunrise ending (with pealing bells and gongs). At other times, however, it may seem that the music spends a bit too much time marveling at the coming of the "superman" and not enough time getting on with it. It's a matter of personal taste really, though it's safe to say that if you enjoy Delius, you will want to hear both of these unique works, and this excellent performance won't steer you wrong. --David Hurwitz
Verdihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j_t4nA3S-M&list=OLAK5uy_ky6GGSQAMiH8BrfaOOC85Y5SoAe-YsI5E&index=1>Verdi’s Messa da Requiem is often treated as an exercise in overwhelming force. Franz Welser-Möst’s reading with The Cleveland Orchestra at Carnegie Hall unfolded instead as a study in control and proportion, privileging long-range tension over visceral display. The work’s violence and supplication were not diluted but disciplined into an outline whose impact lay in its refusal to inflate emotion beyond the score’s demands.
now playingstart of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 4 in C Minor, Op. 29https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnVYmlhp1ew&list=OLAK5uy_n2S6SN-KtZFSUpylZl9i6k4Pt7ki_wAm8&index=2start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 7 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8slPf4tq0VU&list=OLAK5uy_n2S6SN-KtZFSUpylZl9i6k4Pt7ki_wAm8&index=5start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 9 in C Major, Op. 103https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t39ZygRiLkg&list=OLAK5uy_n2S6SN-KtZFSUpylZl9i6k4Pt7ki_wAm8&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n2S6SN-KtZFSUpylZl9i6k4Pt7ki_wAm8Melnikov might be a great pianist of intelligence and poise, but my God is he unpleasant to look at on these covers.
>>131302857i prefer his 1933 Recording with the New York Philharmonic
>>131301318I listen to both.
>>131299158>he deleted itFuck you, Dave.
>>131301392The best Chabrier, Rameau and Scarlatti; the best Bach Inventions, Sinfonias and Partitas; and some of the best Ravel and Debussy.
>>131305224You listen to Scriabo and Beethovie. I listen to Beethovie and Scriabo. We are (not) the same.
now playingstart of Prokofiev: Violin Sonata No. 1 in F Minor, Op. 80https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6n_1APhLkU&list=OLAK5uy_lELpbId-II9_LC4srJRfeE_uzzTxvuPO8&index=2start of Prokofiev: Violin Sonata No. 2 in D Major, Op. 94bishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wfqIN7WHN0&list=OLAK5uy_lELpbId-II9_LC4srJRfeE_uzzTxvuPO8&index=6start of Prokofiev: 5 Mélodies, Op. 35bis (Arr. for Violin and Piano)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY28ZJiPraM&list=OLAK5uy_lELpbId-II9_LC4srJRfeE_uzzTxvuPO8&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lELpbId-II9_LC4srJRfeE_uzzTxvuPO8There's so many recordings of these sonatas by lesser-known musicians, it can be difficult to choose sometimes. On this, I at least recognize the pianist, so I went with this one.
>>131305330I listen to both.
>>131305232>entered the Conservatoire de Paris in 1911 at age 14, studying with Alfred Cortot and Marguerite Long and was awarded the "Premier Prix" at age 16.I've never listened to that recording and I've been looking for Bach 's inventions for a long time, interesting. I liked Borovsky's inventions & sinfonias, this is better, more singing tone, more dynamics.
>>131305409They're far and away the best Inventions and Sinfonias I've heard. I don't know what it is with other performers, but every other recording makes them sound like dry, mechanical exercises. She somehow makes them sing.
>>131305476Yes. And that's what I've been looking for both for listening and as references to interpret them, so thanks for posting them.
>>131305551Glad to hear that!
It's so over for Szell drones:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRxmG7aTRTk
>>131305908It was over for a very, very long time when Callas herself (and not her biggest simp) BTFO'd him for all eternity:>As recounted by John Ardoin while driving Maria Callas to a doctor's appointment in Dallas, a radio broadcast of Beethoven's Symphony No. 8 played. Callas grew visibly impatient with the performance, complaining that phrase is wrong: "Where's the line going? No! What's he doing there? It doesn't breathe. Oh, this is nonsense.">She insisted on sitting in the car's parking lot until the movement ended to hear the conductor's name.>Upon hearing that it was George Szell leading the Cleveland Orchestra, she delivered her famous dismissal comparing him unfavorably to the legendary Wilhelm Furtwängler. "Well", she sighed, "you see what we have been reduced to. We are now in a time when a Szell is considered a master. How small he was next to Furtwängler." Reeling this disbelief – not at her verdict, with which I agreed, but from the unvarnished acuteness of it – I stammered, "But how do you know Furtwängler? You never sang with him." "How do you think?" she stared at me with equal disbelief. "He started his career after the war in Italy [in 1947]. I heard dozens of his concerts there. To me, he was Beethoven.You gotta be a literal poopoo when La Divina herself thinks you suck.
Is there any remaster of Jochum's DG bruckner cycle that properly supresses the noise? I got the 2020 SACD and it still is noisy as hell.>inb4 dresden cycleNo
Good morning /classical/! Daily reminder that Rachmaninoff is the GOAT.
>>131306760Trvke
>>131305908>>131306092Anyone who doesn't like szell has no taste
>>131306400I think the only reason people prefer the dresden cycle is because the noise floor is lower. It sounds worse in every other way
Is Bruckner 8 his best symphony you guys think? I think at least it's the most consistently enjoyable from beginning to end
>>131306972Exact opposite. Anyone who even remotely likes Szell has no business posting on /classical/. And should immediately return to >>>/mu/ and his shitpop music.
>>131307116Filtered and exposed your lack of taste
>>131307139Yes I filter the filth usually. I leave it out for plebs such as yourself. Now get back to your containment board, Sz*ll mongrel >>>/mu/
>>131307224Yes I filter the filth usually. I leave it out for plebs such as yourself. Now get back to your containment board, Szell hating mongrel >>>/mu/
>>131307316thank you sz*ll mongrel
>>131305399You're no fun.
>>131305476*teleports behind you*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oizJj3KNWJo&list=OLAK5uy_kvEqiY--3u2HlLqLvMVK56CbL1wDzOYFo&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93ixZK4urbIWorst recording ever madeIt's one thing to play and record some shitty pop music, but to desecrate a masterpiece of this quality deserves the highest hostility of all.>it's so bad I couldn't even click on the videoLol. Lmao. It's so terrible the link is avoiding being pasted correctly
>>131306997It's up there.
>Dinnerstein
>>131307437This is the worst D minor inventions I've ever heard.
>>131307453hey! >:(
Gould won
>>131307449Yes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=angYwRs6muo&list=OLAK5uy_luZusFw9DNPWmnZw6nJTLHzyqV-3eZ6kw&index=16
>>131307453Only because you haven't heard me play when I performed it in highschool back in 2012.
>>131307467Literally 0 phrasing. Every note in the phrase has exact same volume, let alone the total absence singing tone. Zero dynamics, everything is the same volume the entire piece. Powerfully stupid tempo choices, no expressive accelerandos or ritardandos. No contrast between voices. Jarring legato, like she's chopping onion. Not even going to comment on rubato and synchronized hands, just terrible.Literally hurt my ears with this one anon.>>131307484You couldn't be worse, I don't believe it.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNcwDg-CdYY&list=OLAK5uy_mdbOmXuus0PQWXdqtdVAb8NcwKL3gEL-I&index=31I also added this guys' set of the Nocturnes. Anyone familiar?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuxmJJvztgs&list=OLAK5uy_mkhWOsaESsh_xCqBkAxfOE3BjpGq9HKNQ&index=20
>>131307437This is exactly what I was talking about, yeah. Dry, mechanical exercise.
Malcolm Arnoldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_x7cmK4SD4&list=OLAK5uy_nCLNDJqcwPxnmxFCPAxRg6JYIGrbQ4CP0&index=1
>>131293816Is this an AI painting?
>>131295030>listening to godly music brings fear upon the succubus
>>131295482That's funny.
let's go through Brendel's 70s Beethoven piano sonatas cycleNo. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20rEfW9sf1o&list=OLAK5uy_nezqo6LWYy50kbYTMhsc8w58jQ6GtGfCk&index=2No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA5r18gYCOo&list=OLAK5uy_nezqo6LWYy50kbYTMhsc8w58jQ6GtGfCk&index=6No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SWQnJBjWPM&list=OLAK5uy_nezqo6LWYy50kbYTMhsc8w58jQ6GtGfCk&index=13It was between this or going through Paul Lewis' cycle from the late 00s. I remember quite liking that one but I never finished it. I'll save that for next.
>>131307442schizo
>>131307442scherzo
now playingstart of Beethoven: Violin Sonata No. 10 in G Major, Op. 96https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQACpZ5QCkE&list=OLAK5uy_kCpc0Wvns3nOPn7pHvtmQXQ_Bsi9UoWtg&index=24start of Beethoven: Violin Sonata No. 6 in A Major, Op. 30 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOy3FHIrOtM&list=OLAK5uy_kCpc0Wvns3nOPn7pHvtmQXQ_Bsi9UoWtg&index=28start of Beethoven: Violin Sonata No. 7 in C Minor, Op. 30 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMHp6UQB2bk&list=OLAK5uy_kCpc0Wvns3nOPn7pHvtmQXQ_Bsi9UoWtg&index=30https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kCpc0Wvns3nOPn7pHvtmQXQ_Bsi9UoWtg>Violin-piano teams are surprisingly rare among chamber music combinations, and the Dumay-Pires duo is one of the most renowned. Their partnership began 12 years ago with Beethoven's "Spring" Sonata; this recording project took from 1997 to 2002 to complete. Though they admit to having differences of opinion and indeed at some points seem to have agreed to disagree, the performances show the fruits of their long, close collaboration in the perfection of ensemble, balance, and stylistic unanimity. Both players are consummate masters of their instrument and possess the effortless brilliance of virtuosos, but their interpretations, though carefully planned and thought out, are likely to raise a lot of eyebrows.[cont.]
>>131309404>Their playing is predominantly loud and frequently strident. The piano sounds clangorous, and while the violinist's tone can soar, he uses an unremittingly fast, intense vibrato (or none at all for sudden changes of color). Their style is large-scale and heroic, but driven and aggressive. To achieve utmost contrast, they overdo everything: dynamics are excessive; tempos, though generally sensible, change at will; impetuosity becomes turbulence; drama chaotic abandon. Most disturbing, they blithely ignore Beethoven's meticulous markings, adding and eliminating dynamics, changing note lengths, choosing bowings for instrumental convenience, not phrasing and articulation. In this heavy-handed approach, charm, lightness, delicacy, and emotional continuity are lost, and character and expression are projected through exaggerated external effects rather than inner experience. One cannot help wondering why it is so often the best players who tend to take the easy way out. Listeners will find their own favorite sonatas and interpretations, from the bright, youthful exuberance of No. 1 to the calm serenity of No. 10. --Edith Eisler
Max Regerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPiegMGB8tM&list=OLAK5uy_lTQlMWH4YhBx4Dz3lXoBkkrEQZcMD8Ads&index=1
this Maltempo Chopin Nocturne set is painfully overlooked, and one day, it WILL get its due. What do I have to do, introduce some artificial hiss?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSDThsJ88cw&list=OLAK5uy_msiiRw4wA_weiAqEFU0PsYoyI_UUDBgro&index=11
Nocturnes Op. 27 > the entire career of Fauré. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aX4xkuWNaQ>inb4 this is my channelIf only.
The more I listen to Fauré, the more laughable the comparison with Chopin becomes. Chopin spent his entire career trapped inside a single instrument, producing sissy, effeminate salon music for Parisian drawing rooms, while Fauré mastered the piano, chamber music, and vocal music, and then wrote one of the greatest Requiems just to complete the humiliation.Even within Chopin's pianist fiefdom, Fauré beats him at his specialty. No more is this obvious than in the nocturnes. Chopin discovers a tune, repeats it a few times, decorates it with increasingly elaborate right-hand filigree, realizes he has nowhere left to go, then proceeds to bang the keyboard with loud octaves or empty scale runs. So much for the nocturne. Even he couldn't escape the cliches of his time. Wagner's old crack about Chopin being a composer for the right hand becomes funnier by the day.And where did all those pretty melodies come from anyway? The man spent his Paris years inhaling Italian opera like oxygen. Half the works he heard have disappeared so thoroughly from the repertoire that Chopinfags can now safely call every suspiciously Bellinian cantilena an inexplicable manifestation of his transcendent melodic genius. Very convenient. The evidence has practically deleted itself!Meanwhile, Fauré writes as though wasting the listener's time were a moral failure. His music possesses sustained depth, seriousness and nobility; it is harmonically original, melodically rich and astonishingly economical. Nothing is there just because the fingers happen to enjoy doing it. His music doesn't "develop" by putting the melody in a louder octave and spraying arpeggios over it; it develops organically. There is something almost Brahmsian about the compositional logic, except filtered through Fauré's uniquely weightless, elusive harmonic language.Chopin composed cute piano music. Fauré was a great composer. There are levels to this shit. Some of them, in the end, only men will understand.
>>131309586So basically what you're saying is Requiem Op. 48 > the entire career of Chopin?
>*drops 10 pounds of sheet music on the desk*>Who the fuck are you!?>The name's Reger. Max Reger.
>>131309630Yes.
>>131309649Kek, based.
>>131309521I didn't see a nocturne post above my own nocturne post, lol. But fine, I'll give it a listen. Whereas you go ahead and check out the short analysis about the 27/2's foreshortenings and 'polymetric polyrhythms'. I don't think I have noticed the rhythmic similarity in 27/2 and the f minor ballade, because both use the same technique.
*installs a hiss plugin on foobar and opera for music streamingheh, nothin' personnel... modernist
it's a Mahler 2 middayhttps://files.catbox.moe/iz3tzh.flac
just discovered an unfamiliar Requiem, composed by a... Victoria? anyway, anything choral recorded by Paul McCreesh you know is gonna be good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUMgHSCGDAU&list=OLAK5uy_nh5Lqqm-NAnhk2eXfvOJus1gHDT6xWBQA&index=2>Victoria's famous Requiem, fully titled Officium defunctorum ("Office for the Dead"), published in 1605, was composed for the funeral of the Dowager Empress Maria (daughter of Charles V, sister of Philip II, wife of Emperor Maximilian) in 1603 in Madrid. Paul McCreesh's recording aims to re-create that service, with prayers and chants (including the well-known Dies irae, not set by Victoria) in their liturgical sequence. This alternation of chant and polyphony gives a good idea--better than would Victoria's polyphony alone--of just how solemn and sumptuous the Empress's funeral was. This wouldn't matter, of course, if the Gabrieli Consort's performance of this bewitchingly melancholy music were anything less than excellent. It's that and more--as the music progresses, the singing becomes more involved and intense; by the time the Sanctus arrives, it is transcendent. --Matthew Westphal
>>131304228No, it's pronounced Fauré
>>131304219so why doesn't it?>>131305232>hhhshhhshshwwhwhhs*crac*hfwwwfhshs
>>131306760he eats tin cans?
>>131309875>Victoria's famous Requiem>famousevidently not
>>131309640why do you hate Bach and Mozart so much, anon?
Bacherinni
>>131309875>>131310093/classical/ doesn't even know de Victoria's requiem kek you guys really only listen to post 1800 music.anyway that recording is very good yes. Hope you enjoy it, it's a great piece.
>>131310249*turns it around on you*Yeah, well, it's your fault for not posting it before!
Max Regerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWiT1Q3T3pA&list=OLAK5uy_mRYVS5yAeyJYzcL4TUx6dHgw8CqoujnH8&index=1
/classical/ doesn't even know Wagenseil's trombone concerto kek you guys really only listen to post 1800 music.
>>131310147I actually post a lot of Bach! But yes, I don't listen to nor post much Mozart. I don't care much for the classical era.
speaking of choral music, I didn't know Paul Paray composed music as well! Came across this recording last night and been meaning to post it.Symphony 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UC4vkCzCnw&list=OLAK5uy_kttj6jpjw_neHnE3Wi3Y0bHJFF249t45c&index=2Mass of Joan of Archttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBHe071J7TY&list=OLAK5uy_kttj6jpjw_neHnE3Wi3Y0bHJFF249t45c&index=5
>>131310249Post 1800 and pre 1849*Anything before and after Chopin, Schumann, late Schubert and Beethoven can be discarded into garbage, if we were to only listen to ultra-GOATed music that isn't Mahler.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bkxJo2bMfE
Beethoven and after, Joe Hisaishi and beforehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmCDMynrs8A&list=OLAK5uy_kOWL-QKJxFl_jaVSbhpNgEoUaMc2uZMoA&index=4
>>131310804Is he good or just >Japan
>>131310846The man's got a deal with DG, what do you think?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=843kAy5ACOg&list=OLAK5uy_kOWL-QKJxFl_jaVSbhpNgEoUaMc2uZMoA&index=1although, I will say, it is the utter height of pretension to name the three movements in your symphony "existence", "where are we going?", and "substance", but whatever, I suppose mixing it up is fun too, and if I were a contemporary composer, it's a near certainty I'd do the same shit.>read the text on this back cover challenge (IMPOSSIBRU!!)
>>131310876DG is handing out deals like unmarked white van owners hand out candy these days.
>both books of Bach's WTC end in B minor>Bach composes the Mass in B minorwhat does it mean? is B minor the secret to unlocking the realm of ideas?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7L0IqjKHdM&list=OLAK5uy_lW_KSo9DzHkMG533mSblvY9h5pUlhzwvg&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwDTOGgcbU8&list=OLAK5uy_lc8d78Viw7mU4CC7EPG-yN-PJPSCfiw0c&index=4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JPUQJ5c7aY&list=OLAK5uy_nEMqgSnsUTkcZQC8lXS0NjGwbZBd6XfrE&index=8
Dave is such a bitch. Why is he constantly deleting my comments?
>>131310892I'm just super saiyan'. Give it a peep.
>this echoIs Deutsche Grammophon the worst non-pirate label of all time? It's such a crime considering how good Wunderlich is too.
>>131310876>DGSo does Yuja
>>131311257And she's good enough to where people will buy her recordings for her name instead of the piece or composer, what's your point?
now playingstart of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 2 in B Flat Minor, Op. 35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMi_P4K-CC8&list=OLAK5uy_lqcsvyWThXL0XNTZsHv5zjYRSfzW5rblU&index=2Ligeti: 6 etudes pour piano, premier livre - Etude n 4-Fanfareshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlOV8LoKzHQ&list=OLAK5uy_lqcsvyWThXL0XNTZsHv5zjYRSfzW5rblU&index=6start of Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 2, in G Sharp Minor Op. 19 "Sonata Fantasy" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a07cSHHAhg&list=OLAK5uy_lqcsvyWThXL0XNTZsHv5zjYRSfzW5rblU&index=7Ligeti: Etude No. 10 "Der Zauberlehring"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg0xdQpWhgs&list=OLAK5uy_lqcsvyWThXL0XNTZsHv5zjYRSfzW5rblU&index=9start of Liszt: Piano Sonata in B Minor, S. 178 - Ed. by Alfred Cortot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOpS48pg2hc&list=OLAK5uy_lqcsvyWThXL0XNTZsHv5zjYRSfzW5rblU&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lqcsvyWThXL0XNTZsHv5zjYRSfzW5rblU>Charmingly slight of build, Miss Yuja seated herself demurely at the piano, then proceeded to blow the roof off Strathmore s Concert Hall with a massive yet insightful attack on the piece...Her speed and control were dazzling, her tone full and rich, her mastery of the composer s wicked passage work nearly perfect. Not yet 21, she seems already destined to become one of this century's major talents. --The Washington Time>The arrival of Chinese-born pianist Yuja Wang on the musical scene is an exhilarating and unnerving development. To listen to her in action is to re-examine whatever assumptions you may have had about how well the piano can actually be played. --The San Francisco ChronicleThis is actually a really nice program/tracklist.
>>131312184*she's naked enough to where people will buy her recordings for her name instead of the piece or composer
>>131310902B minor is the relative minor of D Major, the greatest key of all
I know of nothing better than the Appassionata and could listen to it every day. What astonishing, superhuman music! It always makes me proud, perhaps with a childish naiveté, to think that people can work such miracles! … But I can’t listen to music very often, it affects my nerves. I want to say sweet, silly things, and pat the little heads of people who, living in a filthy hell, can create such beauty. These days, one can’t pat anyone on the head nowadays, they might bite your hand off. Hence, you have to beat people's little heads, beat mercilessly, although ideally we are against doing any violence to people. Hm — what a devillishly difficult job!
>>131312500<<The Hunt
>>131312537i literally made this face irl at your post<-------
>>131312550Pathetique
I get why Holst's The Planets is included in this series of Holst orchestral works, but c'mon, the whole point of listening to these is to avoid that work! Yeah, yeah, just remove it from the playlist, skip it, whatever. I'm just sayin'.
Once again, I want to reiterate the English were the premier symphonists of the 20th century.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huYaqONWwqMThey might not have hit the peaks of Mahler or Shostakovich or Sibelius, but then you factor in quantity of quality, and it's no contest.
>>131312584(Les) Adieux
Holsthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygqhAibMIGU&list=OLAK5uy_kBeGpMdbWTtxzMV_yKtw-NmRam93aZfKo&index=1I love this orchestral lieder stuff. Shame there isn't more of it.
I'm starting to think Bruno Walter's Beethoven might be better than his Mozart.
>>131312951It's pretty solid. If I were on a desert island and his was the only set I had, I'd be content.
Programmatic music makes me anxious because instead of just enjoying the melodies, I worry I'm not properly following along with the narrative or intended image or whatever.
Is the RegerAnon around? What's your top 5 Reger works so far?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkHGYurAbjQ&list=OLAK5uy_lR0VFcYnEwlmAKUzAMKhzvaHPWyxE9wXA&index=1
damn Taneyev's string quartets are so good
>>131310249literally who
>>131313209I've just listened to his piano concerto, which I'm not sure I'll advertise because Horwitz worshippers already get more than enough excuses to polish their idol, but that's definitely a top 3. String quartets 3 and 4, piano quartet 1, violin sonatas 4 and 5 and his violin concerto are also incredible. Not sure I can narrow it down to only 5 just yet.
>>131310876>I worship Mammon, He lets me know what is Good and what is Not
>>131314269I think I may enjoy his vocal music the most so far.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6MirwzHDT8&list=OLAK5uy_kjBhebgjpaLYgkbkqGxL5bx-dG_nq1afQ&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYbCXRjVpjU&list=OLAK5uy_kjBhebgjpaLYgkbkqGxL5bx-dG_nq1afQ&index=12https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zcPS8uDuZo&list=OLAK5uy_kjBhebgjpaLYgkbkqGxL5bx-dG_nq1afQ&index=22Hell. Yes.
>when a blurb unironically uses the word "frisson"sorry Kegel, but dismissed
>>131314385I greatly enjoyed Die Nonnen, yes, aswell as choral symphony of sorts, Der 100. Psalm Op 106, which I did shill here a few days ago. The Sechs Choralkantaten are also quite imponent, and his Drei Gesänge Op 111b are deceivingly complex and charming with how short and small in musical forces they are.
>>131314332While it's not a guarantor of quality, it is an indicator, yes.
>>131314421Can't wait to see what the fuss is about concerning his Lateinisches Requiem Op 145a and his Zwei Gesänge Op 144
>>131314441There's fuss? I woulda' thought our five total posts about him just now is the most fuss Reger's had in decades.
>>131314437>Mammon indicates worth; he points to where it is, so that I may not go astray
>>131314474Literally the job of labels and critics, yes.
>>131314461Historic fuss, nothing that may concern contemporary critics. There's something about two very late works, indeed supposedly one being his very latest, being requiems, considering his state around late 1915. Some like to see in such works the final expression and declaration of a complex, often conflictual composer who had fallen deeply into alcoholism and was isolated from peers and loved ones. An expression which, knowing him and his works as I experience them piecemeal, is probably not one of contrition and acceptance of death at peace, but rather, to quote an Irish poet, one of not going gentle into that good light, and raging against it. WE SHALL SEE.
Asger Hamerikhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN6K7jJ7VuI&list=OLAK5uy_m6XyI4DqdRRB9wGp-hNh7NLLS7KV0c-xw&index=1
>>131314481>they're good because they get money>they get money because they're good>it's the job of the agents of Mammon to keep this cycle moving and the ilusion aliveYes, they do get Mammon's blessings, yes. You understand. Good.
>>131314508Sounds good. And yeah, it may just be in my mind, but "large-scale choral work as culmination" seems a common theme amongst generally instrumental composers. I wonder if it's more historical tradition or something intrinsic about the power of the human voice.
Will I go to hell if I have sex while Bach's Mass in B minor or Mozart's Great Mass in C minor is playing on the speakers?
>>131314574no such place anon, wank away
>>131314529He was a catholic so I guess at the end of the day the works will be nothing if not pious and touching, and since it is said he died at the height of his powers as a composer I'm excited for what's in store for me. Anyway it's nice to see someone at least is appreciating him instead of copypasting the old and tired "gotchas", v.g. "lol chromatoslop" and "80 pounds of scores lmao". I remember back when we were discussing Busoni, and even further back when talking about Taneyev how people were comparing both, positively to Reger. I though for sure he was going to get a better reception once I decided I'd try and share his works in a somewhat linear and thorough fashion, alas, alas.
>>131314623Don't consider us allies just yet, I'm still not convinced on the quality of his piano and violin concerti. His chamber stuff has been great though, minus the string quartets, though only for the fact I haven't tried them yet.
If Brahms' second symphony could be nicknamed Pastoral and his fourth Tragic, what would be fitting nicknames for his first and third? I suppose "Beethoven" for the first and maybe "Lyrical" for the third?
>>131314648Well you may not be an ally yet but you're not a blind (deaf?) kneejerk attacker and that's a leap and enough for me right now
>>131312500Incredibly based and Lenin-pilled. Let us honor you with the Order of Lenin, Mr. Feinberg.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w5icYlTpEw
>>131314665>I suppose "Beethoven" for the first
>>131315468Like how Bruckner named his third Wagner!
Listen to Prokofiev's Music for Childrenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlA53q54S1s
>>131315959I'm not a child.
>>131316099Yes, you are.
Truth Nuke: Shostakovich's symphonies 4-12 are an uninterrupted streak of masterpieceshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7xBqd0eovEIf you're really into bass singing, you perhaps could include 13 as well. 14 and 15 I'm still not sure how I feel about.
>>131316290Nos. 7 & 12 are not masterpieces. Nos. 13 & 15 definitely are.
What's the verdict on Idil Biret's Chopin, particularly her Nocturnes? She recorded all of his piano music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8NWHfhI9M0&list=OLAK5uy_mZboE4OIROs7_8a-WIaR8iPnBt8HiGR5g&index=8Is she a budget mediocrity who recorded more for money than vision or a pianist of poetic sensibility we should be glad was as prolific as she was?
>>131316321>Nos. 7... [is] not [a] masterpieceLOLIt's basically his Mahler 9, anon.
>>131316328Shostakovich 7 and Mahler 9 are nothing alike.
>>131316355Obviously. I meant in terms of being their magnum opuses, the apex of their musical vision. Although maybe the 6th is a more apt comparison because Leningrad, much like Tragic, is bursting at the seams with all the ideas it contains.
Schumann kinda nice wit the chamber music.
>>131316328>>131316355Which Shosta symphony is most like the first movement of Mahler's 9th?
>>131316507The 10th.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSvsVvrzuN8&list=OLAK5uy_lJDFTxM9NifrGX1GQrS2soViSSdTBuZog&index=1
Is the symphony the worst form of orchestral music?
>>131317318No, the concerto is.
>>131317318No, opera is.
Bruckner 8's adagio is better than everything Mahler ever composed.
>>131317446Not orchestral music.
>>131317459Lol.LMAO.
>>131317450Mahler's 9's andante is way better than everything Bruckner composed, combined.
>>131317669Wrong. Its not even the best movement of that symphony, nor is it even mahlers best
>>131317450truke
Dvoraks tone poems > symphonies
>>131317654It's arguably its own category; classified as a distinct vocal and dramatic art form rather than pure orchestral music
>>131317879Its just plays with vocal concerto movements thrown at dramatic moments, dude
>>131317892In English?
>>131317901Its just plays with vocal concerto movements thrown at dramatic moments, dude
>>131317853Certainly better than Bruckner symphonies combined.
Wagner operas > symphonies
>>131318019We know Wagner couldn't compose a listenable symphony, yes.
Schubert > Beethoven
>>131318167thought no one ever
Schumann > Schubert
>>131318081He was just about to revolutionise symphonic form when he died. Thankfully Sibelius made up for that loss.
What do you guys think of Szell's Bruckner 8?
>>131318001Not true
Is Bruckners music just slow or do people play him slow?
>>131318167Correct.>>131318220Incorrect.
>>131318423Nah, it's true.
>>131317961Its just plays with vocal concerto movements thrown at dramatic moments, dude
>>131318893Its just plays with vocal concerto movements thrown at dramatic moments, dude
>>131318955Its just plays with vocal concerto movements thrown at dramatic moments, dude
>>131319134Its just plays with vocal concerto movements thrown at dramatic moments, dude
Opera is shit and I'm tired of peope pretending it's not
>>131319256Once again, my rebuttal,https://files.catbox.moe/uwrq3o.mp3
Tannhaus-her? I hardly know her!
>>131318480Bruckner is slow in the head.
Best versions of Beethoven String Quartet 15 and Bartok String Quartets 2 - 6?
>>131319774abq does a superb 132
>>131319774https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hTgQxZ2uYY&list=OLAK5uy_lVEQhU8VxnNa_EgNPnzLqo9wyjF0uz-TQ&index=63https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruu3H5i3Big&list=OLAK5uy_mkaF4bh0ezlHa9EPNvvOdmObdGcCWwd50&index=4
>>131319289I'm not clicking on your little link, faggot
>>131319852>>131319856much thanks anons
>Befriend a girl>Ask her if she likes Wagner>How dare you mention that name? He was a racist piect of shit! He was worshipped by Nazis! Btw I love Chopin's Nocturnes and->Immediately ignore her and walk out of the room without saying anything. God, I mean Wagner, I am too based for this world.
>>131320144You're no fun. Alternatively,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fItVoN8bcs&list=OLAK5uy_nMlwvDpuIrmLfFb7p9DXsUdKNEfP-PlU0&index=11oh yeah. anyone can enjoy that so long as they have ears and a soul.
>>131320228>Wagnerdropped
>>131320226cringe, lowbrow LARPing, as expected from wagnertrannies
>>131320226this didnt happen but i wish it did
Baking new bread.
>>131320664>>131320664>>131320664Nowy chleb
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