Today would've been her 40th birthday
average zoomer is 4’11”.think about that.
>>131572805>be DYEL>troon out to cope
>>131572805ok
>>131572805Someone post the gif
>>131572805BOGGED
>>131573330KEK
>>131572805forgot about this guy, he fell off
Was this person murdered?
I liked him
officially unc core music now </3
>her
>>131572805Just wanted to look at the moon :((( She can see mine :)
>>131572805cause of death. check the date
>>131572805It's okay to cry :(
>>131575475Damn, It's a tragedy, but I can understand those 3 guys
>>131572805The real tragedy is that he did that to himself in the first place. His death was course correction.
kinda wild everyone just accepted the whole "accidentally fell" story
>>131576186instantly assumed it was a cover story but i admittedly haven't heard any evidence to support that. feel like i read something also about he got wedged between two buildings and it took forever for the ambulance to come so it wasn't a quick splat type thing
So glad this troon killed himself. The damage to music and culture these troons do is right in your face these last 10 years
>>131576186why is that so unbelievable? probably drunk and high, acting stupid, fell.
>>131576186Didn't take me 10 seconds reading the story to realize s troon got depressed when they were high af and jumped to their death. The whole romanticizing >oh they just wanted to see the moon what a pure heartShit is so loaded, i hang out with the exact hippy type chick's that go out of their way to climb and see the moon or stars and they still make doubly sure they arent gonna fall to their death because they value their life, this loony troon certainly held very little value for their life
>>131576274The fuck do you mean "they"?
it is very ambiguous...watch 'the cremaster cycle', which was her favourite film...
>>131578740Dramatic irony
>>131572805F
You people are such fucking worms. She was without a doubt one of the most influential gifted artists of our generation and we can't even talk her brilliant music here because she's trans and that's a big no-no for you pussies.
His ex girlfriend came out and said he was faking the trans thing. He only claimed to be trans after Grimes triee cancelling him for appropriating womanhood or whatever. Everything he did in the last years of his life was making a cartoonish joke of his transgenderness. Why do people still think he was legitimately trans?
>>131578870>>131578893Lmao>>131578951He's got HRTitties dude
>>131578893>she>her
>>131576244Nothing to see here.
>>131578893Dw anon I got you. What is your favourite period of hers? I like the later MaxForLive stuff the most I think, the liquidy stuff. I can see how the individual components are sound-designed - e.g. the metallic guiro thing likely employs and arpeggiator with the rate set to 'free' - but I have no idea how the underlying concept/rationale or workflow for that kind of an arrangement comes about. It all sounds so "right" together in the way theory-heavy music can (e.g. Schlagenheim by black midi) when it's not just technical, Collier wank, I can hardly believe it's the sort of track that emerges out of just fucking about, like a carefully organised nonsense. There's an inherent sense to it like with serialism but I'm missing the cipher. Maybe I just don't know the correct influences to see the element of construct in it, some of her earlier stuff wears its inputs on its sleeve more. Stuff like the Animosity and Up The Wall remixes is probably the most truly original musical concepts she came up with, lots of people were using physical modelling in other musical contexts for years already if you look beyond chart pop music, but I've never seen the capability of wavetables used to depict in sound a substance moving between solid and liquid phases, in a context where it is used compositionally, not just as a textural dressing convoluting the sound design of a pre-arranged track, or as an isolated technical demo.
>>131572805DEFINITELYNOTSUICIDE
>>131579238You're a fucking joke
>>131579353My apologies for delighting in the granular nuances of the creative process, bitch-cunt features
>>131578893https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDpJkTmU4TQwow yeh really makes you think innit
>>131572805Is their anything more embarrassing than being both ginger AND a tranny?
>>131579010>He's got HRTitties dudeprobably just a forced feminization fetish like that streamer phineas
more trannies need to swan dive off of buildings. S
The fact that it's 10 years next year since that album came out is fucking crazy
her music is so overrated
>puts synths through a comb filterWoah... Genius...
>>131584585>her>>131580098Well, the vast majority of trans identifying males are just practicing their autogynophilia fetish.
>>131579238You have been making posts just like this for years and I still don't believe a word you say. Still have no plans to listen.
>>131586590What I said is largely descriptive, I don't see how you can believe or disbelieve it
>>131578951am I crazy or was arca accused of the same fake trans/doing it as body art thing or was that also sophie? RIP anyway, I liked sophie's music
>>131588919Get real, trannyfucker.
>>131588967stop projecting
>>131588919I don't remember any specific incident like that with Arca but I could believe someone has said that, Arca has used they/it pronouns at various phases in the past and is very gayboy with it, don't know if you've read her interviews on rimming and cruising and the like
>>131586743You have crafted a bullshit narrative to prop up this fool's reputation
>>131589209I don't think there's anything ultimate in it, cryfaggot, it's just interesting to me as someone who tries to have a finger on the pulse of the cultural dialectic of our times to see relatively novel conceptualism employed in a popular context, and her personal brand skews toward clean tones that make bits and pieces of her workflow clearer to reverse-engineer by active listening- for example, in the clip below, if you track the arrangement, what sounds like one track transitioning into a different track altogether is actually the same arrangement with the voices reassigned to entirely different ones at the press of a button, this is probably using her Ableton Push; but what I can't tell from this recording alone is whether the reassignments are being queued up in real-time during the live performance, or whether it's something pre-decided beforehand being activated, and the same question again for the specific sound design the voices switch to (I don't have the experience to tell, for some /mu/sicians this might be a rudimentary question to ask). The actual MIDI arrangement stays the same between the two sections except for what I presume is a speed knob being adjusted during the transition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL2skM5sd54If you can't grasp what I'm saying, that doesn't mean I'm wrong, how praiseworthy or original these techniques might be subjective to you but the evidence they are present is right there if you're not playing it back on shite-y phone speakers. I hope the next time you walk through an open doorway your sleeve gets caught on the handle and gets stretched out a little.
>>131574075?
>>131574394More than likely.
>>131574394Yes, by himself>>131574447I doubt that
>>131588983You are resorting to nonsense, you automatically lose. 41%.
bump
I though Carrot Top had only attempted suicide
>>131572805I've wank'd it to Sophie's nudes desu
>>131595662...where?
His*I like his music but a tranny is still a man, and like every tranny he killed himself because he will never be a woman
>>131591744>I doubt thatwhy would you say that?
>>131596302sophie was not the sort of trans person to kill themselves over that, other reasons I don't know but they weren't trying to "be a woman"
>>131574394Yeah by Taylor Swift.
>>131573330.....
>>131597433what?
>>131572805who?
>>131576186There are details on the accident, xer fell into a small opening between the buildings head first. The building wasn't very high either. That doesn't really sound like a suicide, why would you jump from a height that's small into a cramped space that might slow down your fall? Nigga just got unlucky with the fall that wouldn't kill most of the time.
>>131576186
>>131602054it was an opening between buildings but I don't think it was small, it was a rear courtyard, the ambulance service just didn't know the neighborhood and took a stupid amount of time trying to find the right street
I wish she had done more stuff that wasn't deconstructed club, the shit she did with Sfire was god tierhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YojtJSLMfH4
>>131596302She didn't identify as a woman, the she/her just stuck because thats what people called her because of her outward appearance I guess and she isn't here anymore to say otherwise. Their whole thing was going beyond gender, being immaterial
>>131604764Nta>she/her just stuck because thats what people called her because of her outward appearanceCould it be called transvestism, cross-dressing or drag queening?
>>131604895Well she didn't identify a "male" either so cross dressing or drag queening didn't really apply. Non-binary could describe her but I'm sure she didn't even go by that label. Really Sophie just preferred being called Sophie and not any pronouns, even Sophies wikipedia page was adhering to that up until a couple years ago when they switched it to she/her
>>131604895It was more like postmodern performance art and a quasi-spiritual vocation, like an act of kenosis, imo
>>131605013So what's the point of everyone calling this person a "she" and not a "they"?>>131605437That's another interesting part I wanted to ask about. What exactly was that "being immaterial" part that >131604764 was talking about? Was this artist basically a gnostic one, basically singing and making art about gnosis, just in an not obvious way to those who didn't explore more of the work like me? Because it's that's the case and the art is about gnosis, I would get it more easily.
>>131606870>So what's the point of everyone calling this person a "she" and not a "they"?I don't really know, its a thing I notice a lot with trans people that don't identify as a women yet people call them she/her anyway. Probably because they went by Sophie which is a feminine name and also because using the pronoun Sophie doesn't feel as natural.
>>131606906>Probably because they went by Sophie which is a feminine nameWell, at least does anyone know why that person chose Sophie as a name? Not that that person probably would care about a name being associated with feminine or masculine in the common thought. But maybe there is a meaning to it. Maybe a reference to Sophia from Gnosticism, I don't know.>and also because using the pronoun Sophie doesn't feel as naturalI didn't even know it was possible and don't even know how it would be done, heh. Do you know one would use Sophie as a pronoun?
>>131606870Sophie was deep into Gnosticism, literally taking their name from Sophia and moving to Greece.Immaterial is a pneumatic anthem, a divine spark.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB5tnokRFS0But its hard to look deep into Sophie's teachings because they were also playing the role of the "unknowable father" and kept secretive.
>>131607022Even Sophie's death mirrors the prophesized "Fall of Sophia" from her heavenly home into the emptiness of κένωμα.
>>131607022Interesting. Did the artist ever admit it (the relation with gnosis) explicitly like other several other artists and talked about it somewhere or it was all deduced from fans and further analyzers?
>>131576186trannies kill themselves all the time. nothing make this one's suicide special.
41%
>>131607088You'd be hard pressed to find anything about Sophie that doesn't come second hand from friends or fans. Sophie kept very secretive, even going so far as to get other people to preform for them while pretending to be Sophie
>>131602054Just ignore the trolls, they do this every Sophie thread. The full moon was rising behind the Parthenon and Sophie was trying to snap a picture
>>131607189Yeah just ignore the people trying to pull you out of this madness and delusion. I swear, this tranny shit is like a cult.
>>131607165Of course, because he's a tranny. A lot easier to be seen as a woman when you're hidden from humanity.
it seemed like she wanted to not be a man more than she wanted to be a woman, toward the end she was presenting more nondescript/minimalist androgynous instead of femme
>>131607389Again Sophie never identified as a woman. >>131607429They did have that unreleased music video where Sophie mimicked shooting cum out of a cock everywhere through a campaign bottle. Also wearing masculine muscular costumes so I don't think they entirely wanted to avoid masculinity
In her own words she identified (at least to the public, in interviews) as a non-binary transexual woman. People really need to read her interviews more instead of guessing everything second-hand from hearsay.
>>131607701>non-binary transexual womanI don't get it. Doesn't non-binary mean to not be either a man or a woman?
>>131608181Its right there in the words, the binary system is male/female
>>131576274My birthday was a day before this and I remember the moon being really really big Also it happened in Greece the building was probably falling apart
>>131608247I heard from elsewhere that nonbinary referred to gender, not sex. It was (said to me that it meant) being at any point of the spectrum other than the extreme poles men and woman. Not between male and female. That (which you said) would mean a chromosomal configuration, not a gender position, anything differing from XY and XX, basically, like the intersex. But intersex is not the same as nonbinary and vice versa. At least that's what the person said to me, and they were more involved with these matters than I was, so they were more knowledgeable in the deemings and language of these groups (LGBT etc). What do you say about it?
F, miss you.
>>131608371it has to do with the sex assigned at birth and if you align with the traditional aspects of gender/sex relation
Sophie won
>>131610098That's what I thought transgender/transsexual meant. So every nonbinary is trans (Obviously if their position in the gender spectrum doesn't "align" with the conventioned standard corresponding brain type. It's possible that it aligns and technically they be cisgender, but as I suppose it's a lot rarer, let's not consider this case for this matter now.), because their brains don't "align" with their genitals; but not every trans is nonbinary, because a trans can be a woman or a man, which are the two extremes of the gender spectrum, viz, the "binaries". That's the theory I learned.
>>131610275I don't know about that whole brain stuff, its not like trans women all don't align with having a penis, sometimes it fits their identity. But yeah some trans people do want to identify as one of the binaries but even these traditional gender identity roles can be pretty nebulous and ever changing, still it can be meaningful to attach yourself to a group larger than yourself
>>131610368>its not like trans women all don't align with having a penisI would understand it (as) a logical possibility, that's sort of why I used quotation marks in "align". What I didn't understand was the possibility of a nonbinary woman. It seems like an oxymoron.Also, an important correction on what I said that will please me to make: the nonbinary would be cis not if their gender "aligned" with their brain type. The brain type is (what defines) their gender in the theory I'm talking of. They would be cis if their brain type (gender) "aligned" with their genitals (actually, more precisely, their chromosomes) (their sex). In theory you're cis when "aligning" occurs and trans when "aligning" doesn't occur. I mistook chromosomes/genitals with brain. But in the theory the brain (type; or configuration or state, to extend) "is" the gender.
>>131610368>>131610562Bump>>131607514>mimicked shooting cum out of a cock everywhere through a campaign bottleDo you have the video link? Didn't find it and got curious.
>>131578893ya ,...it is sad. the whole website is sad. society.>>131588919literally every trans person, women, or luh jih bih teh quah has had some sort of de-legitimizing accusation thrown at them completely out of nowhere for no reason other than their not being a straight cis man. that's just what the crowd who flocks to threads like this does.
>>131585353they are agamp not agp
>>131578893>only known by art students and queers and people in new cross who wear doc martins>global cultural force changing music forever (as long as AG Cook makes a track for him to copy)
>>131578893>GENIUS VOICE OF A GENERATION>YOU JUST DON'T GET IT>YOU'RE JUST NOT SOPHIESTICATED ENOUGH>JERKING OFF IN MAX/MSP IS LE HIGH ART ACTUALLY
>>131612968this but unironically>>131611874transnation mv by sophie - youtube
>>131615421>transnation mv by sophie - youtubeAh, I thought it was less obvious, ty.
>>131615421I always get a crack out of that video
>>131612968>>131612224They are baiting. But they still were an incredible artist
>>131607022Are people only just finding out about Sophie's Gnosticism? I thought it was obvious to anyone who has listened to the music
>>131616077>>131607022>Sophie was deep into GnosticismAny source on this or are you pulling it deep outta your ass?
>>131616829Its like knowing Mac Demarco is a freemason, its there to anyone who looks but hidden to most.
>>131616890Oh come on man, provide sources for your claims or fuck off
>>131572805>her
>>131617047you can't prove anything about Sophie, people don't even know what their preferred pronouns were
>>131589445I forgot to check this thread for days, but holy shit I can't believe you did it again. I hate your contrived wondering aloud about this dude's music, it's still not convincing anyone
>>131572809why does someone so short even go out?
RIPher music wasn't good though
>>131616077>>131606870 here. I don't listen to this artist. I was just curious, cause in a thread I made an anon said that this artist was "Gnostic" (capitalized) too. (cf. https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/131319643/#q131330162).
>>131619686The sound immaterial should be a dead giveaway. Pretty sure they had a projection of the Demiurge behind them during some concerts but its on youtube and im having trouble finding it agian
The Eternal Σοφíα, French (Sophie) with shining red hair. For the sin of trying to turn the material into the immaterial she was punished through a cataclysmic Fall from the πλήρωμα. Δημιουργική σπίθα of the artist. Residing in the ancient city Ἀθῆναι home of Πλάτων. Her πνεῦμα is now free from the evil material world. Σοφία, Μήτηρ τοῦ Φωτός
>>131573330
>>131620167Aeons like Sophia transend gender as well, Sophia only assumed feminine attributes.
>>131572805https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyUbSm25ax8
>>131620031>projection of the DemiurgeWhoa. Very interesting. That would be very interesting to watch.
>>131620707>>131620031Again, I'm calling horseshit unless you can be more specific. SOPHIE's aesthetic system was mostly hermetic, lots of text and strobes and gloopy shapes but not anything to do with exterior ideologies or cultural references
>>131578951>Everything he did in the last years of his life was making a cartoonish joke of his transgendernessIsn't that what being a tranny is all about?
i wish he'd released his actually good songs like ooh and new attitude instead of whatever faceshopping was supposed to be
>>131578893If she wasn't trans you wouldn't give a flying fuck about her music. Be honest. If she didn't transition and made the same exact music you wouldn't pretend to like it like you're doing now.
>>131623545I listened to her before she publicly transitioned. You transphobes need to fuck off, you add nothing to discussion
>>131572805Rip sis
>>131623436the Arthur Russell of bourgeois english electropop... I'm most curious about the pop album she was planning in 2016 before scrapping it in favor of going the trans route + OIL...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Fh9Qv4FWchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8ip8X4QvMghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXyGvoJRKZo
Tried listening to her music but its just fart sounds, I dont get the appealhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXdRl6Ml37I
>>131623623You have no argument other than >people that don't like her music are transphobesYou're so disingenuous. Keep setting up strawmen to knock them down if it makes you feel good.
>>131623736>If she wasn't trans you wouldn't give a flying fuck about her music>"woah don't call me a transphobe, that isn't a real argument"lmaoing at you and your kind. Now excuse me, Im going to blast some more Sophie
>>131578893>She was without a doubt one of the most influential gifted artists of our generationthis why no one can take you guys seriously
>>131623734It was groundbreaking at the time but has been copied so much since that it just sounds like commonplace pop music to zooms and alphas who've grown up on the stuff influenced by it, that's the Seinfeld Effect
>>131623787Thanks, can you recommend some of these commonplace pop musicians who also do this? Im just curious to see because Ive never actually explored this type of music
>>131623545It just shows me that A: you dont know anything about audio production or engineering. B: ur obsessed with gender
>>131623804K-pop as a genre for starters, really, go to any boba tea cafe near you
>>131623709>Arthur Russell of bourgeois english electropopyou guys sell her music better than how good it really is
>>131623787No no no but she helped pioneer a sound obviously. Ninjarachi or w.e pink pantheress, arca, james blake, umru, charlie xcx, and more
>>131623862nah it slaps
>>131623868I will agree that Arca could probably do with a lot more of the credit Sophie gets for being the earliest to bring industrial and Drukqs-esque sounds to mainstream pop, she just doesn't get the dues due to not being white and British & bringing it to LatAm music & adjacent stuff instead of the anglosphere
What IS it with trannies and electronic music??????
>>131623904Easier to transcend boundaries with FM synthesis
>>131623831kpop is watered down versions of western pop, thats the opposite of amping it up like Sophie did
>>131623924the people influenced by her aren't doing it as good yeah, she left an immense void (IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, NOT THE PAVEMENT)
>>131623931The music industry lol who gives a fuck about money generating objects it's not about that it's about the art. Money belongs to the government it's soulless as fuck. I was making easy money all day from crypto but I felt nothing. Money is just a means to an end it makes you fat and stupid.
>>131623759>>131623818It's ok, you're anonymous here, you don't have to pretend to like her music. You won't be made a pariah.
>>131580098>dude he wasn't a tranny, he just liked to inject himself with estrogen to grow bitchtits that's totally normal
>>131624008Nobody said it was normal, just based
Not music.
>>131624083yes it is
GET OUT TRANSPHOBES!
his greatest hit was The Sidewalk
>>131622771>Again, I'm calling horseshit unless you can be more specific.I don't get it, I wasn't the one giving the information, I was the one receiving the information from the anon whom I was replying to. Are you that same anon?But if you say that the aesthetic system was mostly hermetic, then why would you find uncredible that that artist was gnostic? You seemed now to have given a lot more evidence than the previous anons did.
>>131629508I think I clicked your reply by mistake, can't rememberI meant hermetic as in insular, not as in the specific spiritual practice of hermeticism
bump for discussion of music
>>131572809If I was him I would've slapped that guys drink out of his hand
Why the fuck is this disgusting tranny so fucking overrated?
>Only had one studio album in the 10 years of making musicThat is the real tragedy here
>SOPHIE says no remixes unless it's ae>ae remixes bipp bringing the high pitched vocals back into a more normal range and putting the autogynephilic lyrics into uncomfortable focus and also showing there's a really tasty rnb tune hidden behind all the hyper shit>an heroes two days after it's releasedI'm really sorry to sean and rob for even saying this but I just keep thinking there is some connection here
>>131633807see >>131623545she being a tranny, you are not allowed to criticize her, which creates cult-like behavior. Cult members are never ever allowed to criticize the aspects of a cult even in the most minor way. Other people (gullible normies that seek social approval) then see this group of rabid cultists praising her with zero criticism and they fall for it because they genuinely have no mind of their own, so the cult grows in size, and no one ever criticizes anything, and another normie retard sees the cult and is drawn in, so on and so forth.
>>131633894>an heroesits always the ESLs that are transphobes.
>>131633807It's catchy, it's intensely well-engineered, it combines things that had never been combined all at once before, it had a compelling narrative attached at the time, it's good fucking music.>>131633894Though I disagree with your characterisation, as a fan I have to admit I don't think it's surprising people suspect her death was a suicide considering the various circumstances that can be read that way. There's just as much evidence to point in the opposite direction though, so I don't think we'll ever know for sure. My personal feeling is I think it was an accident but she may have been passively in a bad place mentally to be engaging in risk-taking behaviours in the first instance. IMO it says something about her that so many people including her haters are this obsessed with dissecting her death years after the fact, nobody's making threads about Liam Payne who died the same way and was photographed falling in mid-air salaciously because it was in broad daylight.
>>131629768>I meant hermetic as in insularAh, so you meant just an aesthetic system "unique and isolated from other aesthetic systems or influences"? If that's it, yeah, more evidence would still be interesting.
>>131623734>>131623787i'm too old and not retarded enough to know this kind of fart music, but arguably i heard it before. Matmos were the first to make fart house with samples of whatever, and a good level of pretentiousness on top. also they're gay. Sophie probably listened to Matmos
