Granados editionhttps://youtu.be/BblmPMpFE68?list=PLo2fvcEIvV2_XfbkY07Gu80XWAblhLpnuThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131536792
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>>131575254>dies while trying to save his fat wife from drowningBased edition?
>>131575444My nigga is based for being a chubby chaser, let alone for putting his actual life on the line for one.
Chopin Etudes morning (with Samson Francois)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkYej8Ft2do&list=OLAK5uy_ko32SqEZty4VZufY4SJSVXjTgZ1ENBDkY&index=1
Let's see what's new on The Classic Review... huh, an Homage to Heifetz, the great violinist, featuring Dudamel and Maria Duenashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-cQURjwAHs&list=OLAK5uy_mMG_in81gfx3U0Hx99l52o0d_kruYlBUE&index=1>"Having a role model is so important," says Due?as, "someone who is a constant source of inspiration." Homage to Heifetz celebrates the iconic violinist Jascha Heifetz - whose recorded legacy has long been a key influence on Due?as - and reflects her artistic affinity with conductor Gustavo Dudamel. He and the Sim?n Bol?var Symphony Orchestra of Venezuela (of which he is Music & Artistic Director) joined Mar?a at London's legendary Abbey Road Studios to record Korngold's Violin Concerto and Lalo's Symphonie espagnole. review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-homage-to-heifetz-maria-duenas-simon-bolivar-symphony-orchestra-gustavo-dudamel/
Once you learn to appreciate Bach's Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin, it makes virtually all other solo violin and even duo violin+piano repertoire drop a notch or two in enjoyment by comparison. All I know is, back before I truly liked listening to them, I listened to violin sonatas by other composers all the time, whereas now, whenever I'm in the mood for that, 90% of the time I go with the Bach pieces.
oh this is a cool release>Celebrated pianist and renowned Beethoven specialist Rudolf Buchbinder releases his first album on DG, a new series of works based on Beethoven's monumental Diabelli Variations, in advance of the composer's 250th anniversary in December 2020. Buchbinder, who recorded Beethoven's Diabelli Variations early in his career, has invited 12 contemporary composers to write their own variations on Diabelli's theme, including Krzysztof Penderecki, Rodion Shchedrin, Max Richter, Lera Auerbach, and more.here's the start of the regular Diabelli Variationshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_JN0IrHoe4&list=OLAK5uy_m3zp2tw8GOR9A2WmhLA7KppUMS0hE4rK0&index=2and then here's a sampling of the contemporary pieceshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqCrH0pKljE&list=OLAK5uy_m3zp2tw8GOR9A2WmhLA7KppUMS0hE4rK0&index=36https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sodUFLYMRjw&list=OLAK5uy_m3zp2tw8GOR9A2WmhLA7KppUMS0hE4rK0&index=37https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSRqdZ1kME4&list=OLAK5uy_m3zp2tw8GOR9A2WmhLA7KppUMS0hE4rK0&index=37
>>131576472This, but Schumann.
>>131576472this, but Brahms
dam da-da-dam da-da-dam
just teared up while listening to Faure's Ballade, Op. 19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o22JADBLvy4&list=OLAK5uy_nGhxCZqGQ-r8MSPLXw2W54L3t6KUtbxuw&index=26;_;how did he do it, anons???
bored so gonna revisit Nelsons' Bruckner cyclehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu4se29g_Yo&list=OLAK5uy_kuKZH42N0ZVUQXBXM5EU1920PfDP9fOes&index=18>"Bruckner's music is in the Gewandhausorchester's DNA," says Andris Nelsons, the orchestra's Music Director since 2018. Now, their celebrated Bruckner symphony cycle in it's unique combination with instrumental pieces from Wagner's operas is complete. The idea for this was obvious to Nelsons: "Bruckner loved Wagner's music. He saw it's greatness, merits and achievements."By the way, has anyone tried Hans Rosbaud's historical Bruckner set? almost decided to try it but eh, not really in the mood for old sets right now, especially if not acclaimed. here's a sample thohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNNuByd-cy4&list=OLAK5uy_lHV2TWCoXSy5B2_xiuNU-q5I1PeD2c7Go&index=9
Mendelssohn.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khgNOcwaAHs
Are there any hiss versions of the Brahms violin concerto?
>>131577591Tons
>>131577591Just Kreislerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wcLM7verXg
>>131576430I opened this purely with the intention to scoff...but actually, I have to say she does capture some of the manic energy of Heifetz, albeit tempered, mostly because she can't match his finger vibrato (but then barely anyone can). Her lower registers have an appropriate growl. And she incorporates slides appropriately, bucking the trend of stupid purists who call it "old fashioned". She loses some tonality sometimes on the higher string positions. You could do a lot worse for a homage album. And looking like this certainly doesn't hurt either. I'm mildly impressed. Maybe this is a sign violin playing is trending back towards hyper romanticism.
>>131577697>>131577757I mean you were already correct. There are two Szigeti versions, both quite good. The one with Harty (the hissier one) is better. And also the Auer students, i.e. Zimbalist, Heifetz, and Milstein. And Huberman (Brahms approved). And Busch. And so on and so forth.
>>131577800Szigeti is not very good so I deleted my comment. Kreisler, Heifetz and Huberman are good, yes.
Which composer would be into femboys?
>>131577858Tchaikovsky
>>131577848Oh, does Maria Callas No. 1 cock sucker hate him too?
>>131576472I don't know how it processes for idle listeners, but playing them is as close to religion as it gets on the violin. Actually I've always wondered how exactly Bach even did it, it shows a very deep understanding of the violin at every level, and was written like 80 years before Paganini's caprices. And all we know of Bach's violin playing was "he played well", but he practically would've had to be the Paganini of his day, even though he's not known for that at all. The only other contemporary example we have are Solo violin partitas by Westoff, which are very slight in comparison.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKBeXONOzEA
>>131577879Maria Callas had a cock? That's new.
>>131577962Wasn't Bach's father a violin virtuoso?
>>131578005Maybe? But again virtuoso meant something very, very different back then. Some 5 year old kid today is more 'virtuoso' than anyone was in the 1600s. I'm saying Bach is way closer to Paganini than his own period skill level. There are parts of the Fugas which are fiendishly difficult to pull off.
Asking again because I caught the tail end of the last thread:Provided I enjoyed early 19th century gothic opera like Freischuetz or The Vampyre, what else can you recommend?I mean stuff that also has this kind of "folk song" qualities; Wagner was recommended, but that's not quite it.
>>131578098Hm... maybe try Smetana or Dvorak.
>>131577774:DGlad you enjoyed it, anon!
>>131577962As said before, he had direct access to the Platonic realm and the ideal Form of Music.
what are some of your fav recordings/performances of hers? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmFXrmbG3vM
>>131578997She does an amazing 4'33.
I don't understand why Cioran was so obsessed with Bach. I listened to every damn recording there exists for Mass in B Minor, and it puts me to sleep. Bach evokes no feeling from me and most of his music sounds the "same" . A case can be made that Bach would have impressed someone that was born before 1800s, before the romantic, before the modern advancements. I doubt someone who has listened to Deftones - Change would prefer listening to The Mass in B Minor over it. No disrespect but just how one understand's Bach?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVwefNAJwMUNew Schiff Brahms just dropped
>>131579079Try not being a retarded cretin
you don't like classical music unless you act like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muNFmZr6hWI
>>131579268https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZHEo_tbL7c
>>131579268I'm jealous, he seems to enjoy the 9th more than I do. I can't listen to that without cringing, this video itself being cringe makes the whole experience less cringe somehow, like two negatives canceling out.
>>131579079Never cared for Bach,.I prefer Mozart and Haydn, and as far as his contemporaries go, Scarlatti, Rameau, Zelenka, Lotti, and Marais resonate more with me.
Wagner diffused in the serenity of God, Franco-Flemish sensuality, and the more intimate forms.Along side Chabrier, Borodin, and Grieg, the GOAT Romantic
Here's something I promised awhile ago, but never got around to. Schnabel's complete Beethoven cycle. The sonatas, anyways. These are sourced from a rare Japanese boxset of Schnabel's complete recordings. What makes these interesting over past and present releases is that the sound quality is simply much better on the whole. They're transfers from LPs that were derived from metal masters, meaning you don't get the noisy shellac that you usually get from 78 transfers, so the surface noise is compartively much cleaner without harmful denoising. This release did have a few issues, though. One is that it was riddled with clicks from the LP, and the other is that it had typical wow and flutter (pitch instability) on the piano. I fixed both of these things. >EMI 1991 transferhttps://litter.catbox.moe/3hylitkzokxqm124.mp3>Pearl transferhttps://litter.catbox.moe/9tbuykutn99utanh.mp3>shinseido (this one) transferhttps://litter.catbox.moe/o6z5hvvzw385e7l3.mp3You can hear how denoised the EMI 1991 transfer is. It sounds underwater and terrible. The Pearl transfer is much better, but of course you get the very loud shellac noises from the original 78s. I think the shinseido transfer is a good balance. Not too much hiss, but also not a complete removal of it either. Here are the full sonatas: https://gofile.io/d/2qEKJKxL
>>131578997There's a bunch of things from her that are pretty good. Transcendent, best of generation? Nah but pretty good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnzKSvFMwas&list=OLAK5uy_mnUvHRmlQiHeu2ic7-XKQe6QwbL1NFc5E&index=4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a07cSHHAhg&list=OLAK5uy_lqcsvyWThXL0XNTZsHv5zjYRSfzW5rblU&index=6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeahJxsFcAw&list=OLAK5uy_kJfqVWC9xA9w-ivCV4l6xKsV0hIeiCpNE&index=3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0YlJ7_o0hA&list=OLAK5uy_kJfqVWC9xA9w-ivCV4l6xKsV0hIeiCpNE&index=9And any duo chamber piece, like violin and cello sonatas, I think she's great in.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OYE6Lmxr_E&list=OLAK5uy_nMhcuZDJcP_zvleigrg-fBJndzmjwRwn0&index=8or is with an orchestra playing a concerto or orchestral piece with piano (ie Messiaen, John Adams)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdC0zvXof_g&list=OLAK5uy_kUiX_y2cvUqdruOV-9qk8dzPfxEQ2OpA0&index=1
>>131580189Fiiine, I'll finally peep. I suppose if I'm gonna trashtalk it to balance out the hiss sisters, it'll do me well to, y'know, actually hear it! Thanks.
>>131580189>>131580203You wouldn't happen to have something similar with the mono Backhaus cycle, would you? Unfortunately, not all of them are available via YouTube Music so I cannot listen to them.
>>131580219I'll download it for you.
>>131580247<3 much appreciated anon! I should inform you I only have 17GB free left on my PC, so if it's larger or even near that, fuhgedaboudit
>>131580259https://gofile.io/d/b35iUmjAThere you go
>>131580303That's 18GB! Were you even listening... I kid. Thank you very much :D
>*saves classical music*
>>131580354I do wonder if he didn't exist, if all his record sales, popularity, and overall throne of commercial and critical acclaim would be directed elsewhere, or not. Just for one limited aspect, I'm sure there's a not insignificant percentage of people whose only Bach recordings are those by Gould -- would they just never have gotten into Bach? or would they own Hewitt or Schiff or Zhu Xiao-Mei instead?
>saves music
god this schnabel is so fast ahhhh!
William Alwynhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2O-T8t8G-M&list=OLAK5uy_lCEqKKHIZ-hjuZBlBTZtlPVh3fMaWh4kw&index=1
The ultimate debate:Beethoven 3 vs 5 vs 6 vs 7 vs 8 vs 9
>>1315824203,5,8,9,7
Vivaldihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJBRpCAvKbU
>>131579079>I listened to 1 piece out of 1100 why don't I get it how could this be
>>131579079I love Bach and I dislike choral music. So all I'm left with is his (vast) instrumental music. Have you given that a try?>I doubt someone who has listened to Deftones - Change would prefer listening to The Mass in B Minor over it. I definitely would. But I'd prefer listening to passacaglia in C minor or prelude and fugue in B-flat major (book I) over both, *especially* over something as shallow as Deftones. I don't mean to offend your taste, but pop music is just primitive and devoid of musical substance, and people who are open minded often realize that sooner or later.
>>131582485After listening to Bach on repeat, they all just sound the same with only slight alterations. >>131582576The passacaglia in C minor and St Matthew Passion are the only listenable works from Bach, but even they are boring.>Such insult Not blaspheming, just not for me.
>>131580396>or would they own xThey wouldn't
>>131580192thanks. i've heard her shosto and scriabin but will check the others out
>>1315824207,3,5,9,8
>>131582420They’re all equal in terms of greatness
>After listening to Bach on repeat, they all just sound the same with only slight alterations.
>>131582942>The passacaglia in C minor and St Matthew Passion Far from it. WTC I (as well as II) is full of masterpieces, such as E minor, C-sharp minor and as I already said B-flat major. And much, much more. Along with cello suites, violin sonatas and partitas, goldberg variarions. >but even they are boringOnly if you pick a bad recording, maybe. Art of Fugue is one of the best things ever composed. If not the single greatest piece.
>>1315824207>3>8>5>6>9
>>131582942Listening to the art of Fugue, specifically Contrapunctus II was what drove me into classical. A lot of Bach's work are flat out cosmic
Herr Beethoven does it againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLyMaVV_77k
>>131583762Swap 7 and 6 and you're perfect.
Just the prologue of Götterdämmerung is better than all of Siegfried.
>>131584328>Fagner
>>131584328Better than the first two acts? Yeah. Better than the entirety? I don't know about that...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjxiiA4I5Z8&list=OLAK5uy_kbFjeT1RFNthkn8HVCiqtg9-p5GlSL3Ow&index=109This holds up against the prologue of Gotterdammerung.
>>131582942>After listening to Bach on repeat, they all just sound the same with only slight alterationsTrvke
Der Weeelt Eeeeeeerbe gewänn ich zu eigen durch diiich ......
>>131584514it's spelt "Fafner"
>>1315824204
Prokofievhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK0tfaENzng&list=OLAK5uy_kl1H3GHfCyPZWn1lKltUty1Fl1K7l6Xv8&index=20
goal for the next month: listen to several different sets of Prokofiev's and Scriabin's piano sonatas. Also Ravel's complete solo piano music and Debussy's Preludes.perhaps I will allow myself a single cycle of Beethoven's piano sonatas. two at most. after the month is up, only then can I return to Beethoven's piano sonatas all the time.
now playingstart of Debussy: Préludes, Livre I, L.117https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxbFtAWkM5Y&list=OLAK5uy_lxp2X8_933jCt7PadD6aJLEogWOuVIDRc&index=2start of Debussy: Préludes, Livre II, L. 123https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2puNAWvYkFA&list=OLAK5uy_lxp2X8_933jCt7PadD6aJLEogWOuVIDRc&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lxp2X8_933jCt7PadD6aJLEogWOuVIDRc>'When one does not have the means to travel one has to make up for it in one’s imagination.' This witticism of Debussy's clearly manifests his attachment to the Symbolist aesthetic that marked the renewal of French music at the beginning of the 20th century. A far cry from the preludes of Bach or Chopin, these marvellous little pieces are the quintessence of the kind of 'musical Impressionism' that caused Debussy to place the 'title' at the end of the pieces. In this way they become real 'preludes' (sometimes written on three staves) to the image suggested by the title. The music no longer 'paints', but it becomes a painting in itself. And it is precisely from this quality that it draws its astounding ability to evoke distant horizons.
>>131582420It's so obviously,9 > 3 > 6 > 7 > 8 > 5
Is the Max Reger posting over? Did you decide on your top 5 or 10 favorite works?
Medtner is nice
>>131585682Incorrect. It's so obviously 8 > 3 > 6 > 5 > 7 > 9 that it just couldn't get more obvious than it already is (obvious).
>>1315824209 > 5 = 7 = 8 > 3 > 6
>>131585834That's just embarrassing, anon. Like ranking Beethoven's middle string quartets over his 14th.
>>131585893Incorrect. 8th is the late masterpiece, 9th is a failed experiment.
>>131585968>8th is the late masterpiece, 9th is a failed experiment.
The finale of The Ninth is literally a Frankenstein's monster level failed experiment.
>>131585968The 8th sounds like something Beethoven scribbled down in half an hour while waiting in a doctors office
>>131586127Exactly. Like the 8th is obviously good, but thematically and emotionally, it's like only partially complete. If I attended a live concert and the program was just an overture like Egmont followed by the Eighth as the main course, I'd be very unsatisfied. The Eighth is more like an appetizer, or half a program, hence why it's almost always paired with the Third or Seventh. Now that's a program you can be satisfied with.
>>131585660This is an incredible set. Highly recommended.Also, while peeping the review of this on ClassicsToday (the author isn't specified), I was surprised to see their listed reference recording of Debussy's Preludes is Samson Francois' set. Not that I think his is bad, far from it, but it's idiosyncratic, and a surprising choice for a reference recording. Granted, the review was written in 1999, so I'm sure opinions and tastes have changed since then.
now playingstart of Beethoven: Symphony No. 7 in A Major, Op. 92https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RbVqvS6dgQ&list=OLAK5uy_nJ11r0JCX_174tZ2x0Mn_0uKf82HiIIiM&index=2start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 8 in F Major, Op. 93https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b2nuwb9UXE&list=OLAK5uy_nJ11r0JCX_174tZ2x0Mn_0uKf82HiIIiM&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nJ11r0JCX_174tZ2x0Mn_0uKf82HiIIiM
>>131585660If Debussy sought to paint specific images with much of his piano music, as did many other composers, particularly of scenes in nature and commonplace traveling, I wonder what would be today's equivalent for, say, piano pieces composed to depict or evoke the mood of today's cities and exploring digital landscapes on the internet.
>>131586150If you're retarded, sure.
>>131586296Wonder no longer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lp-NdkWPMw
>how can Siegfried get to Brünnhilde and back without doubling the runtime of the opera?>uuhhhhh the Tarnhelm can also randomly teleport the wearerWagner was a hack.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVcGgRX1hH8&list=OLAK5uy_loX2yJEVyyAvo716KxzgRSEGlnq0tXBFk&index=21starting your day with Chopin's Preludes, Op. 28 is scientifically proven to improve psychological, emotional, and spiritual health
>>131577858me
>>131580354how
>Disliking Bach is a sign of low musical intelligence. There's a reason why every major composer for the past few hundreds years has absolutely adored Bach and been deeply inspired by his work. And that reason is because the music that Bach created was simply brilliant. If you don't love the baroque style compared to later styles thats one thing. But you have to respect the ingenious of Bach's work. Disliking Bach is like disliking Shakespeare or Isaac Newton. It comes off as ignorant.>Now there is music from which a man can learn something.Mozart>The immortal God of harmony ... Not Brook but Ocean should be his nameBeethoven>Johann Sebastian Bach has done everything completely. … He was a man through and through.Schubert>Bach is like an astronomer who, with the help of ciphers, finds the most wonderful stars.Chopin>...the greatest Christian music in the world...if life had taken hope and faith from me, this single chorus would restore all.Mendelssohn>Music owes as much to Bach as religion to its founder.Schumann>...the most stupendous miracle in all music!Wagner>Study Bach. There you will find everything.Brahms>For me, Seb. Bach is the beginning and end of all music; on him rests and is founded every true progress!Reger>In Bach, the vital cells of music are united as the world is in God.Mahler>Truly Bach is the Alpha of keyboard compositionBusoni>And if we look at the works of JS Bach - a benevolent god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity - on each page we discover things which we thought were born only yesterday, from delightful arabesques to an overflowing of religious feeling greater than anything we have since discovered. And in his works we will search in vain for anything the least lacking in good taste.Debussy
first off, zinman's beethoven is a lot of fun. secondly, the second movement allegretto of the seventh is inspired, it's so fuckin' good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S0aJSCAz10&list=OLAK5uy_nJ11r0JCX_174tZ2x0Mn_0uKf82HiIIiM&index=2wow!
>>131586910>Bach sucksMe
>tfw patrician gf says I have two(2!) days to learn the words to Schubert's Winterreise or we're DONEO_O
>tfw Schubertian bf says I have three (3!) days to learn the notes to Patrician Scriabin sonata No. 2 or we're DONEo-o
My suspicion is the anon(s) who rank Beethoven's eighth symphony as his best primarily think so because it's super short and it's the only one their attention span deficit brains can stand to listen to in a single sitting.
okay hear me out4 > 3 > 9 > 8 > 7 > 6 > 5 > 1 > 2
Ah, Beethoven's eighth symphony. A vivacious celebration of both man's dogged pursuit of truth and progress and life's infinite mysteries and its elusiveness. The nimble rhythms parallel the many twists and turns one encounters in the quest for answers.
>>131587609>4 >
>>131587255>Mesounds like some absolute literally-who fag tbqhfam
>>131586119Correct.
>>1315876094 is my fav too
>>131586119Frankenstein's monster wasn't a failed experiment. Guess you're ignorant in more ways than one.
>mfw the finale of Beethoven's 8th Symphonyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwlOw_2afqM&list=OLAK5uy_mKzBnXEdvM9-QQ0Tu-HB0Asr5DxKd-Gx8&index=4
it's a Mahler 4 afternoonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVaAKuV2ujM&list=OLAK5uy_k_-xLrHRAN60fr7W5aKlgwXt1uNsfbRQ8&index=1
>>131583546>>131586910Bach is too unnatural, too mathamatical. I believe that Bach considered himself more a machine than man. Maybe there will come a day when I will appreciate Bach. Maybe when I am sitting in a rocking chair, out in the garden, watching birds and contemplating just how annoying the brats and the youth have become, maybe then I would come around to such music.
the musical offering >>>
>>131587580Ngl, it's partially because it doesn't last for ages, yes. It manages to achieve the same feat as 3rd and 9th in just 25 minutes. But it's more than that. Without getting into too much detail: it's brilliantly crafted, themes are some of the most beautiful Beethoven ever composed, everything feels inevitable and connected. What more could one ask? A 25 minute finale with embarrassing choral writing?
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>>131587919nah, you're just an edgy contrarian looking to feel special on the internet since you can't manage to do so in real life
>>131587609>4
>>131587953That's excessively rude.
the muical ofering >>>
>>131587953I'm quite special in life and I'm asocial and shut-in because of that, so nope. You wouldn't understand, being normal and all.
Someone claiming Beethoven's 8th is his best is the kind of retarded contrarianism you will only find right here, in this thread. It's so stupid but not surprising.
>>131588138It's not even an unusual opinion among enthusiasts. You've been complaining about this for months now. I think you have the problem.
>>131588165post a single example of someone other than yourself with the opinion that the 8th is beethoven's best symphony
>>131588194I'm not that person. I like the Eroica best.
>>131587878got-DAMN this is a magnificent 4th
The Beethoven for Three series release of the Third just dropped! Get it while it's hot. The cover looks rather cheap, especially compared to the other releases in the series, but whatever.Symphony 3, Eroicahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOFmgSTxTJA&list=OLAK5uy_k2jiSzoX8lGMn4AorCo7AxPTiShlvq5Yw&index=2Leonore Overturehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvSWRcaClk8&list=OLAK5uy_k2jiSzoX8lGMn4AorCo7AxPTiShlvq5Yw&index=5>Emanuel Ax, Leonidas Kavakos, and Yo-Yo Ma's fifth Beethoven for Three release features Symphony No. 3 “Eroica” (Op. 55) and the Leonore Overture No. 3 (Op. 72b). Joined by violist Antoine Tamestit for both pieces, the group performs these landmark compositions in new arrangements for piano quartet by Shai Wosner. Written within a few years of each other, Symphony No. 3 “Eroica” and the Leonore Overture No. 3 are a triumphant beginning to Beethoven’s “middle period,” exploring heroism and nobility of spirit and — in the case of the “Eroica” — reinventing the symphonic form for the Romantic era.
will Perahia ever record Bach's Art of Fugue and Well-Tempered Clavier??? come to think of it, Schiff doesn't even have an Art of Fugue
>>131587878Bernstein’s Mahler is objectively badthe placement of the second violins is pretty crucial to the spatial dramaturgy of many works, one of the reasons I can't take Bernstein seriously as an interpreter of Mahler is that he didn't realize that the string section in the Ninth builds from the right in the first three movements, but from the left in the final one.
>>131577858DeBUSSY
https://youtu.be/fsHc7iclM-Y
>western culture>andre rieu Can we talk about how tragic it is that classical went from the patronage of the nobility to the larp vehicle of the greasy plebs?
Same our queen Hilary :D in Chicago today. Anyone other anons there? Dvorak 5th sounded really intense
>>131588570I don't know anything of what you just said. I only know Bernstein's Mahler often makes my ears and heart feel good. Not all of his Mahler, mind you, but that Sony 4th? I dig it. As for this Ninth, that's one of the ones I don't defend, but I've only heard each of his Ninths once so I generally refrain from any judgments.
>>131589640>46>looks 666My mother has 70% less gray hair and is over 70 lmao.
>>131589640How's she? Back to playing at 1.5x tempo?
>>131589640What was the program?>>131589732pls do not bully the women of classical, thank you
>>131589743There's only one thing the women of classical are good for, and it's fucking disgusting (in a good way).
>>131589732Some people are just genetic silver foxes
>>131589776That recording is actually p. good AND interpretively interesting
>>131589739Pretty great. She played lighter and slower. Her drawn out phrases were the most captivated I've seen an audience, could hear a pin drop.>>131589743>Schumann - Overture to Manfred>Mendelssohn - Violin Concerto>Dvořák - Symphony No. 5Apparently Poplelka fucked up Dovrak 5 and did a super heavy interpretation. At least according to this review. ithttps://chicagoclassicalreview.com/2026/09/hahn-returns-to-highlight-csos-mixed-season-opener/Doesn't seem like it was just one autist critic either, could sense some hesitancy from the crowd during the applause. I hadn't heard Dovrak 5 before so didn't have a reference. I thought it was good but definitely sounded Shastokovich-esc.
>>131589640Saw*What I get for phone posting.
>>131589874Well, hopefully she's really healed. Gonna listen to her next month at BSO, but it's a new commission (Carlos SIMON Double Concerto Suite for violin and cello) so keeping my expectations low.
>>131589975damn, is Carlos Simon on his way to becoming one of the greats of our time?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBPpoSzNpYo&list=OLAK5uy_kar8TQM7vTJpz1_l9jCnoSu5S0X-Bw3WY&index=5
>>131589975>Carlos SimonAnything good by this dude or just modern atonal garbage?
>>131589996His music is very listenable, actually. In fact I've noticed a return to tonality and listenability in contemporary composers. see the link here>>131589988I'll find another one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG-FPsHLN0w&list=OLAK5uy_loRV2vxQm_h3YzAbZwQyd62yXYPIgrtA4&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8qYxww_o_A&list=OLAK5uy_loRV2vxQm_h3YzAbZwQyd62yXYPIgrtA4&index=6[smalltext]he even has a Requiem but, uh, it's very 'art made by a black person for black people' so this one you might not wanna check outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzu0DLlu6CU&list=OLAK5uy_mMg4UloU0N3qQrTnK9NE7LA_NtTK6my84&index=1
>>131589988Actually pretty good, noice
Hmm what should I listen to...
>>131590129Of those, probably... the Bartok or Schubert.
>>131590129Yudina. That's inspired me to listen to her phenomenal recording of the Goldberg Variations -- probably the best desuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk5wo0rF_9w
>>131588138kek>>131588165the 8th is underrated simply by the fact that there are only a handful of recordings that do it justiceScherchen's live stereo recording is fierce and fast with a first movement that lasts 7:09. it's unreal!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJAcEczFvAU
Satiehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPd3sz4wmp8&list=OLAK5uy_kJd0VjmiYylF-4TfYINdxQJbfeYbZbZbk&index=1
>>131588437>Beethoven for Three>played by four...?
>>131590930They normally do just the three but it seems for that release, they added a violist.
>>131590129Just listened to that Dunki Webern piano recording. It's charming.
Wilhelm Peterson-Bergerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeIN4_SkN_Q&list=OLAK5uy_mOq9q-BGsb0Idi1yWOUOakgX4LtJ_rOJs&index=2
>arranges for the ring to pass from Alberich to the giants>his element cleanses the curseIs Loge secretly the hero?
Will I ever come to truly appreciate and enjoy Messiaen's piano music?I doubt it.
Listen to Arnold Bax's four piano sonatashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMBSZeZpOwg&list=OLAK5uy_nGsJcLl-2tw2fBC3cQZPfyov7vstPfpXc&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA8feM1At9g&list=OLAK5uy_nGsJcLl-2tw2fBC3cQZPfyov7vstPfpXc&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3I6SxtUG9I&list=OLAK5uy_k0OitTzPlnXehSJk8lsqS7WI-SBml-5bU&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk46k3J6ru4&list=OLAK5uy_k0OitTzPlnXehSJk8lsqS7WI-SBml-5bU&index=4
I think I'm becoming a modernist. Lately, whenever I hear a traditional, pretty melody, it turns me off completely. Mozart, Haydn, Schubert, even Beethoven. Instead I find myself preferring the dissonant, the discordant, the diffusive, the abstract, the impressionist. Of course, not to the point where traditional melody is destroyed completely, nor atonality, but who knows, I might be heading in that direction.Bach, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms? Nah, gimme Debussy, Ravel, Scriabin, Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Szymanowski instead.As for the middleground of Chopin, Rachmaninoff, Faure, even they're beginning to sound stodgy to me.It could be a temporary affliction. Or not. We shall see.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSqQ-B1EmpU
>>131592246The middleground is where it's actually at.
>tfw no Prokofiev Nocturnes piano cyclewhat a sick, cruel world
>>131592246When was the last time you were touched by a woman?
>>131592356Not since birth. But that doesn't have anything to do with anything.
>>131592246How is Show-pan a middleground? He's all about the melody.
Reading a review and came across this parenthetical,>(Furtwangler himself thought that only the Seventh [of Bruckner's symphonies] was formally completely satisfying)What!? That can't be true.
>>131592404>He's all about the melody.lulhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRHZRyH_pzU
>>131592384That has everything to do with everything, chud.
>>131592404Yes but he's more formally playful. Hence middleground.
Bruckner evening (with Klemperer!)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUGORbzt3KY&list=OLAK5uy_lxaeow_-mKMwnv72CsNN5bLn89Mli_uVs&index=1
>>131591925>People new to opera, and to Wagner and his world, often ask a pertinent question: “Who are the real heroes and villains of the Ring?” We meet both protagonists and antagonists in Das Rheingold, which Wagner called a “prologue” to his stark tale. With the subsequent work, Die Walküre, the characters we thought of as heroes don’t always act the part. In fact, things turn ugly rather quickly in Acts I and II. And in Act II, the gods, so-called, are a lame bunch, but the humans are no different. What about the dwarfs in Das Rheingold? Slimy and sinister. And the giants? No better! One brother slays the other (the Cain and Abel story in disguise), while one god (Wotan) trades in his sister-in-law (Freia) in lieu of payment for a botched real estate deal.>Pushing on with the cycle, the titular Siegfried is touted as the nominal hero. But what does he do that smacks of the heroic? First, he’s a boorish lout whose petulance and wild mood swings, along with constant temper tantrums, would put to shame many of today’s teenagers. And second, he wakes the sleeping Brünnhilde from her slumber, woos and “marries” her, then betrays the woman he loves to another pretty face and, most unheroically of all, lies about it. Oh, sure, it was the “potion of forgetfulness” that did all that. In compensation, he dies a “heroic” death by getting stabbed in the back. But does all that justify what came before?>“Geez,” you say to yourself, “what a bunch of losers!” This doesn’t give us listeners much to root for, does it? Ah, but you would be mistaken to assume that good triumphs in the end and that evil is punished. To be honest, no one comes up smelling like a rose in this four-part family drama. Which is all to the good for opera lovers.https://josmarlopes.wordpress.com/2019/06/01/from-the-depths-to-the-heights-and-back-again-wagners-ring-winds-its-weary-way-around-town-part-one/
Are piano keys too big?>Classical music’s most famous instrument was built for men. Is it time for a new design?>...I applaud its development which recognises that the stretching of keyboard size in the 19th century was largely driven by the demands of male pianists with bigger hands. The new keyboard makes repertoire more accessible and more practical for smaller hands.-Claasicfmhttps://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/instruments/piano/keys-hand-span-octave/Why does everything have to be male-dominated?
>>131592421...so I never had a chance?
The Adagio from Bruckner's 6th is secretly a top five movement of his.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od_mYgCwUDc&list=OLAK5uy_nnxnDv8oAhtblcrHXO6qAWIAvNljPLibw&index=2Hell. Yes.
>>131592519What are your top 5 movements? Top 10 if you will.
>>131592589no orderbruckner 8 adagio (movement 3)bruckner 7 allegro (movement 1)bruckner 7 adagio (movement 2)bruckner 9 adagio (movement 3)bruckner 6 adagio (movement 2)yes I feel bad about omitting the finale of the 8th but something's gotta miss the cut
>>131592638Pretty nice. Thanks.
Composers without facial hair vs. with beards vs. with moustaches. Who wins?
>>131592652The clean-shaveds have Bach, Mozart and Beethoven. Seems like an uphill battle for the other two camps.
>>131588869André Rieu is the gas station sushi of classical music.
Let's take a break from Wagner this weekend.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHK95KzvtFE&list=PLxXjllvtBC_p5K9a00kiexamtJGAAwZaS
Step aside, AshkeNAZI, HaMEMElin, and SofronSHITsky. For me, it's Yakov Kasman's Scriabin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DXfeJMrkQs&list=OLAK5uy_lJ1neJeKqkulpfVZkBFSjeY6zJE7YJQdU&index=11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCeLViGeiuw&list=OLAK5uy_lIhPO77fH1QWXaClMMNhlgRX0f8IYf8e8&index=1
>>131592661Yes, the clean-shaveds have the three most famous composers, but that doesn't mean you have to blindly follow and believe (German) musicology that they're also automatically the greatest. Beards have Palestrina, Monteverdi, Brahms, Wagner, Tchaikovsky, Verdi, Dvorak, Rimsky-Korsakov, etc., which is also a strong group.
Listening to Grieg. Sounds like Schumann without the neuroticism.
How Well Do You Know Repertoire Recordings? WITHOUT CHECKING,1) Which violinist recorded the Brahms Violin Concerto with Fritz Reiner and the Chicago Symphony Orchestra?2) Which pianist recorded Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto No. 1 with Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic?3) Which cellist recorded Elgar's Cello Concerto with Sir John Barbirolli and the London Symphony Orchestra?4) Which violinist recorded a famous cycle of Beethoven's Violin Sonatas with Vladimir Ashkenazy?5) Which pianist recorded Brahms' two piano concertos with Eugene Jochum and the Berlin Philharmonic?6) Which cellist recorded Schubert's String Quintet alongside the Alban Berg Quartet?bonus points: Andre Cluytens and the French National Radio Orchestra recorded Beethoven's Violin Concerto with which famous Soviet Russian violinist?
