Chad Schumann editionhttps://youtu.be/031tGaLL0kIThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131516586
>dies of aids >chad no.
Adam Kalmbach is the greatest composer of the 21st Century.
What organ composer should I listen to if I like Chopin?
>>131537054Presumably you like Romantic harmony, so probably Franck.https://youtu.be/-kIPk5pmZeA
>I'm like Mozart. You're like the guy who was always jealous of Mozart.>Salieri? >No thanks, I already ate.*laughtrack*
>>131537351I don't get it.
After having listened to it three times now, I may have to admit to myself that I simply do not like Die Walküre all that much.
>>131536945>has so much sex he dies of STDs>not a chadI smell copium
>>131537475The first interlocutor is dumb and thinks Salieri is a kind of food.
>>131537569It's literally gold from start to finish.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICUcBNQLYq8&list=OLAK5uy_kbFjeT1RFNthkn8HVCiqtg9-p5GlSL3Ow&index=38Hell. Yes.
>>131537602You could probably cut about an hour and lose almost nothing of substance. Also the main point of contention, Hunding forcing Sieglinde into marriage vs. Siegmund fighting to prevent such a marriage, all happens off-screen. And then in the next act, Wotan too waffles about stuff he did off-screen for an eternity. The whole opera is full of waffling about.
>>131537591What a jokester. 10/100.
Finishing up the 1st suite rn and holy shit, this is awesome. Why does nobody ever talk about this?
>>131537899Prejudice against Kapellmeistermusik, which is perceived as second-rate compared to the works of independent composers.
>>131537899I only know about his symphonies and mass. I'll check that out, thanks.
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riFppVn6xg4&list=OLAK5uy_k9I9PwpSbETCgNNaEvLtJ4K04OdnELN-s&index=1
>>131537089thanks
>>131537927I've been meaning to listen to the symphonies, but do also check out the Chichester Psalms and the Serenade. Both wonderful works.
>>131537575Brahms fucked his wife He's a cuck
Wagner sucks cock.
Goddamn, Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto is so good.
Renaud Capucon's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adw-djqKCZs&list=OLAK5uy_mJ-O1Dfj4EIqHCzNGWoWPejWLJ5gpiUS8&index=13
>>131537647the point is the feelings they are expressing as they recall what they've done, or something
>>131537647>>131538386It's more psychological drama
Just discovered a new composer, Harald Saeverud. He's got eight symphonies, some concertos, some string quartets, some piano music, and a lot of random orchestral stuff.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5U2_gKtE_w&list=OLAK5uy_lNMWLKjT5Alr3nbF8akBljllFyzmSyjUo&index=1Unfortunately recordings don't appear to be too common but there's at least one for most of the stuff.Here's a Bassoon Concertohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf2u5dLY0-8&list=OLAK5uy_kEXy_6yJQirlUL8jjGKH_a1un_oHT3bYI&index=1
>>131538386Wouldn't those emotions be even stronger in the moment?
>>131538451Silly anon, everyone knows the height of poetry and drama is in the aftermath ruminations and pontifications.
>me when I hear Romantic neuroticism within 10ft of meJeez no wonder they ended up cheated on or in mental asylum, such nasty and loud noises with not regard to the soul
>>131538503lol that is a funny pepe+caption
>Brahms' Intermezzo in A Major, Op. 118how did he do it, anons ;_;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAv05o1rSLk&list=OLAK5uy_k9I9PwpSbETCgNNaEvLtJ4K04OdnELN-s&index=5
>>13153852860 years of compositional study.
>>131538547That's rather simplistic, no?
Why is Grieg so comfy bros?
>>131538576Grieg has other piano music than just the Lyric Pieces? I must peep immediately!
>>131538571It is rather big-picture, I'll grant you that. For a more particular insight into the piece, you might enjoy this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJfPwnrg5eE
>>131538579https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bd3dS78P7o&list=RD6bd3dS78P7o&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbvymJWyMwQ&list=RDsbvymJWyMwQ&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va5ULQ3ugiQ&list=RDva5ULQ3ugiQ&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUHPQ0EkVAs&list=RDIUHPQ0EkVAs&start_radio=1His late works are masterpieces.
>>131538614>His late works are masterpieces.Pfft, yeah, I'll be the judge of that. Just teasing. I very much appreciate the links!
now playingstart of Brahms: String Quartet No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 51 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhdI_Lp5NpA&list=OLAK5uy_nEooqpv-g8mitk7aqV11aTUTlwKvMkKY8&index=2start of Brahms: Piano Quintet in F Minor, Op. 34ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDDX74GOuRQ&list=OLAK5uy_nEooqpv-g8mitk7aqV11aTUTlwKvMkKY8&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nEooqpv-g8mitk7aqV11aTUTlwKvMkKY8>For their second Virgin Classics release the members of the Quatuor Ebene turn from the native French repertoire of their first release (Debussy, Ravel, Fauré) to music firmly in the Austro- German tradition: Brahms's first string quartet and first piano quartet. Joining them for the quintet is acclaimed Japanese pianist Akiko Yamamoto. Following a London performance from 2006, the Independent reported on this artistic partnership: "This talented group wound up their concert with a brilliant performance of Brahms's Piano Quintet in F Minor, with the piano acting as a firm anchor, while the strings sang their hearts out. Come back soon." "In the space of just a few years [the Quatuor Ebene] has made its way to become one of the world's top quartets. Beyond youthful French charm, the quartet is notable for its distinctive musical approach and technical supremacy. . . . Naturally the Quatuor Ebene has a special connection with the spirit and tonal precision of the French repertoire, but its interpretations in other idioms are also on the highest level." (Salzburger Nachrichten)Don't know how I didn't notice until now that Brahms' masterpiece Piano Quintet is labeled Op. 34, that's much earlier in his career than I would have expected. At the very least I would have put money it came after the first string quartet included here, but nope, that's Op. 51! I wonder what the Clarinet Quintet is... Op. 115, see, that's much more in line with expectations.Also, super artsy cover. Frenchies gonna French.
>wake upWagner.>get upWagner.>draw the curtains to get sunshineWagner.>breakfastWagner.>finish breakfast, turn on the PCWagner>open /classical/ Wagner.>read random literature Wagner.>read philosophyWagner.>think about somethingWagner.>talk to myselfWagner.>time for siestaWagner.>try to napWagner.>nap.Wagner.>dreamWagner.Just Wagner. That's it.
>>131538767this but Bach or Beethoven
Recommendation for /classical/: every day for the next week, start your mornings with Bach's famous and sublime Chaconne. It'll improve your spiritual health immensely.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-PL7CkUP6o&list=OLAK5uy_mJ-O1Dfj4EIqHCzNGWoWPejWLJ5gpiUS8&index=21Preferably a different recording each day too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeJDO73idMI&list=OLAK5uy_kUY7zBtYnVpNQ4Ejz3GfDVjtHIvmMYPS8&index=21
>>131538767This but... hm... who's the most obscure composer I could name... this but Nicodé.
>tfw no Debussy or Ravel symphony>tfw only one Debussy operawhy live?
>>131538789>start your day with this incredibly emotionally draining pieceno thanks
>>131538767>sucks cockWagner.>sucks cockWagner.>sucks cockWagner.>sucks cockWagner.>sucks cockWagner.>sucks cockWagner.>sucks cockWagner.>sucks cockWagner.>sucks cockWagner.>sucks cockWagner.>sucks cockWagner.>sucks cockWagner.>sucks cockWagner.>sucks cockWagner.Wagner sucks cock. That's it.
Ravelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BQbvyjrAak&list=OLAK5uy_mdmHBm9qK-Q0GYORmiuh_MNrP8I12XNnU&index=25
1. Scriabin2. Scarlatti3. Debussy4. Rameau5. Ravel6. Liszt7. Albeniz8. Grieg9. Macdowell10. Seixas
>>131539095>Scriabinbasedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz3TqZtAkeQ
>>131539095MacDowell? Really? His stuff that good?
Franck is Wagner in instrumental form, and its beautiful
>>131538351He was a genius
>>131539159A second-rate Wagner, maybe.
>>131539177That's still a compliment>>131539146Not really, but as an American his music is really resonating with me, my list might change with Chabrier, Balakirev, or Satie in a couple weeks
Tchaikovsky was essentially a French composer.
>>131539301And German
now playingstart of Richard Strauss: An Alpine Symphony, Op. 64, TrV 233https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIevDZawA4Q&list=OLAK5uy_m4Zq6uSxYszY8XRt93H-Ggq2BkNhJnynI&index=2Richard Strauss: Joseph's Legend - Symphonic Fragment AV 148 / TrV 231ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeckzXYIXDc&list=OLAK5uy_m4Zq6uSxYszY8XRt93H-Ggq2BkNhJnynI&index=23https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m4Zq6uSxYszY8XRt93H-Ggq2BkNhJnynIBeen loving Paavo Jarvi's Bruckner, so I decided I'm gonna explore the rest of his discography, starting with his Strauss and then maybe his Tchaikovsky later tonight. Always great to support living artists, musicians, and conductors!
>Anon, do you like anime?>Oh, that piece by Ravel? I love it!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg8HXbT_zP8&list=OLAK5uy_kn1-uq31xfSbRQfy4RVkxSHovpGZ--AFA&index=7hiss versionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0msw314seso&list=OLAK5uy_lJsoVG4gB2Yavt4XgRYanQ85h0-eJxJRo&index=6
Wääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääälse! Wäääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääälse!
>>131539460
I listen to and adore Hanson and Rorem, and there is nothing you can do about it.
>>131539559>Roremwhere2start?
>>131539330Paavo Jarvi does a fantastic job of making excitement the foremost trait in every one of his interpretations. It's almost like he's a reaction against the more stodgy, slow tempo'd, low energy conducting style of the late 20th century. Sure, some might argue you lose out on some level of profundity and transcendence, and I can see that, which is why I wouldn't rank Paavo Jarvi as a top-tier conductor, but the second-tier? He's creeping up there for me. What he lacks in moving the soul, he makes up for in stimulating the nerves and aesthetic bone.
>>131537569
>>131538806La mer is pretty much a symphony isn't it
>>131537569I love the first act. The second act has too much recap and a pretty monotonous monologue from Wotan, but there are some exciting moments. The third act is great. I do enjoy listening to the rest of Der Ring quite a bit more on the whole.
>>131538378Always a sucker for new Bach's Sonatas and Partitas. I'll give it a listen.
>>131539361I think there was a Ravel song in Clannad
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkulCpA_7cw&list=OLAK5uy_kWtfZ-ERHuv-9Q2yHUoV_e5D4ksFZHkA8&index=15
>mfw joymaxxing with Leonin, Perotin, Hildegard, Josquin, Palestrina, Vivaldi. Haydn, Offenbach, Borodin, Chabrier, Ravel and De SeveracLet go of your neurotic ways /classical/ and embrace wholesome, platonically moral music
>>131541178What piece/recording are you listening to right now? I'll peep.
>>131540586It's a very good set imo. Certainly one of the best ones released in recent years.
My problem with programmatic music is I feel if I'm not imagining the exact narrative the composer intended, I'm not getting the piece at all, even if I think it sounds good as pure absolute music. So better to avoid it.
>>131541550I'm sampling the Chaconne right now. Meh. His bowing is uneven with downstrokes very obvious and the whole thing is cold and austere. I can not stand this trend of sustained notes without vibrato when I can clearly hear it in shorter ones. This whole "Bach didn't vibrate" nonsense is complete insanity.Not a fan. If I want to hear Bach played with the passion of a regular etude, there's tons of kids already doing that. He's not even in the ballpark of Antal Zalai, much less Milstein or Grumiaux.
>>131541625Ah, yeah, it's a third-way set, aka mixture of traditional and HIP elements. That definitely prevents it from being ranked among my favorites. But again, I love the Capucon brothers as musicians, and I'll listen to anything they record; they haven't let me down yet.Anyway, thanks for giving it a try. I like it because it's a refreshing take.
The holy bible
>>131541643HIPsters are insultingly dull faggots. I've played Bach with actual period Amatis and reproduction bows (I knew a violin dealer for a time who would ask me to test and tune up his stock, he was no musician), none of them sound anything like what HIPsters push on your ears. And if the violin is really set up like it was in 1720, with the shorter neck and flatter bridge, playing chords with string crossings almost becomes unnecessary. In fact the difficulty shifts the other way, practically all the string jumping prestos become staccato by default because otherwise the notes just all slur together and it's way too easy to hit the other strings at speed. This ignores the fact that they didn't even use chinrests back then, so the whole violin feels and sounds way more resonant than normal.All of this is to say, 99.99% of the "authenticity" HIPsters are selling are complete bullshit. I didn't realize how unique my experience was until I had to suffer talking to them. Most of them never even saw an actual period instrument, much less played one. If they ever did, they'd be miserable; intonation on old gut strings is a whole other level of pain in the ass.
>>131541650If I woke up on a desert island with only this recording, I would not be unhappy. Well, I would about the desert island part, but for the music option, I'd be okay! What do you think about her first set, and how it compares? I prefer the second set too, but I can see why one would prefer the first one, like I believe Jed Distler does.
>>131541702I'm gonna guess you don't care for the Zehetmair and Holloway sets, then?Zhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qupeJIN62XI&list=OLAK5uy_mZcD3Z_wpY80TqyaRndOXBhCL7IJiBQ-Y&index=21Hhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpZD3xefsyU&list=OLAK5uy_kCKAVAcKvKkDo8UMxSXU83XTWN9fBiBxQ&index=21On the flip, the Mullova set, which is HIP-inspired, has come to be one of my very favorite sets of the works,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udBKPGcW52I&list=OLAK5uy_liRUebivbIbuqkIwxvW7Wh5Qk-yi9tAik&index=21
I can easily tell Chopin's Nocturnes is a masterpiece because when I listen through it, every Nocturne I go, "y'know, this might be my favorite or second favorite one" and then I feel and respond the same for the next, then the next, then the next... to have that consistency of 10/10s? Astonishing!
Just discovered another Wagner recording for those who don't like opera and vocalshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQJ_jKwor_E&list=OLAK5uy_nJF8ZdAOHdKfadGSMKEnwRth4sIraMqqE&index=1>This new recording of excerpts from Wagner’s Der Ring des Niebelungen is quite exceptional - and very unusual for this kind of disc. The words might be missing, but the fact they are proves to have rather the opposite effect. It is one of the most operatic of orchestral Wagner discs I have come across.>Indeed, many aspects of it are jaw-dropping: ravishing detail, exquisite artistry and, above all, an orchestra that just takes the breath away. It feels like one of those Wagner recordings which defines the decade in which it was made just as a very few Wagner recordings, from the 1960s onwards, defined their own.>...>The qualities of this recording are very unusual. Even by the standards of conductors like Klemperer and Karajan, Järvi has taken an approach to Der Ring des Niebelungen which is operatic rather than purely symphonic. The NHKSO is not necessarily more unique than some of the great European orchestras - but there is unquestionably a quality to this particular recording which is simply in a class of its own. You will not find a ‘Trauermarsch’ quite as black as this one - and none that even comes close to matching the final five bars, let alone equalling them. I’m not sure you listen to instruments playing in an orchestra and you think of great Wagnerian singers - this recording stretches the imagination to think like that simply because the solo phrasing from the orchestra is so beautifully defined to make you think that way. Some might not get that impression at all; others might entirely immerse themselves in that sound world. What is without question, in my view, is that this is one of the great Wagner recordings.High praise!
>>131541796You just have low standards.
>>131541855hey! >:(
I'm listening to Bruckner 5!
>>131541768From a brief sample, I like them more than the Capucon. They are certainly more "authentic", with the Holloway probably coming closest to the sound I expect. However they all still 'cheat' with the bridge. This is a bit controversial as there simply wasn't standardization back then, but violin bridges at the time tended to be flatter. And the arc of the baroque bow meant you could play 3, maybe all 4 strings at once, whereas you can't do that with a modern bow even if you smash it down. Basically, the geometry back then was all different, which ironically makes more sense for Bach's writing in some really tricky parts in the Fugas, where quite frankly no one can avoid the rhythmic delays and awkwardness all the string crossing chords introduce with modern violins. Mullova is probably the most obvious deviation from this, she practically turns some chords into broken arpeggios. It just wouldn't be like that.The biggest takeaway from all of these is how light and delicate they're all having to be with their bowing. The older bows had a completely different technique that's wholly alien to us now.
>>131541751I like this one just slightly more than the original recording. But honestly either is fine.
>>131541984I see. Well, they were still born and trained in our era! Can't fault them too much. But still nice to know.
now playingstart of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5 in E Minor, Op. 64https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pd4F5_zQdE&list=OLAK5uy_lBqc-Ug_Fx5D22wzO0T5xx1yekJoUMRAg&index=2start of Tchaikovsky: Francesca da Rimini, Fantasy for Orchestra, Op. 32https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpoW6wHSfOM&list=OLAK5uy_lBqc-Ug_Fx5D22wzO0T5xx1yekJoUMRAg&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lBqc-Ug_Fx5D22wzO0T5xx1yekJoUMRAg>Paavo Järvi, Principal Conductor and Music Director of the Tonhalle-Orchester Zürich since October 2019, here launches a complete recording of Tchaikovsky's symphonies, the first in both his rich discography and that of the Swiss orchestra: 'When I think of the Fifth Symphony, I think of vulnerability and hope. It looks directly into our soul. It is perhaps the finest of his symphonies. The famous horn solo moves me and enriches me every time I hear it... Unlike the Sixth, the Fifth still holds out hope for life.' The symphonic poem Francesca da Rimini op. 32 completes the programme. This dark and violent 'symphonic fantasy after Dante,' a drama of jealousy, was premiered in 1877, at the same time as Swan Lake.
Maaan, it's always such a tease when a pianist releases a recording that contains only a couple pieces from a piano cycle and the interpretation is incredible, leaving you wishing they recorded the whole thing (eg. WTC, Annees de pelerinage, Nocturnes).
10/10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njz2KIfBqoU&list=OLAK5uy_nslsSv1Mx0P7gy6R-4WFfbew-WeshO92w&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Jp_QfAnnU&list=OLAK5uy_nslsSv1Mx0P7gy6R-4WFfbew-WeshO92w&index=6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37DhdMfdjas&list=OLAK5uy_nslsSv1Mx0P7gy6R-4WFfbew-WeshO92w&index=7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVKTEoxBIKE&list=OLAK5uy_nslsSv1Mx0P7gy6R-4WFfbew-WeshO92w&index=10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unQVoNEG5bM&list=OLAK5uy_nslsSv1Mx0P7gy6R-4WFfbew-WeshO92w&index=10Benjamin Grosvenor is now one of my lifelong favorite living pianists. Liszt performance does not get better than this.
>difference performances of the same piano piece placed consecutively on a recordingy-you can't do that!
now playingShostakovich: Piano Trio No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RbUgGcGc2c&list=OLAK5uy_l9HzVu5ZUHVa3IS4MDm8OFyymeY0IcyhQ&index=2start of Shostakovich: Piano Trio No. 2 in E Minor, Op. 67https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XR-rqWA4AA&list=OLAK5uy_l9HzVu5ZUHVa3IS4MDm8OFyymeY0IcyhQ&index=3Copland: Vitebsk Trio - Study on a Jewish Themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77egaVHp9mM&list=OLAK5uy_l9HzVu5ZUHVa3IS4MDm8OFyymeY0IcyhQ&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l9HzVu5ZUHVa3IS4MDm8OFyymeY0IcyhQ
>>131539095Based
>>131541178No Scarlatti or Scriabin?
1. Chopin2. Bach3. Schumann4. Rachmaninoff5. MedtnerThat's all.
1. ScriabinThat's all.
>>131543806Correct.>>131543832Incorrect.
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBMVESOcNCE&list=OLAK5uy_mS8JhATXNztGKSLEpELXitnxA_j9xyhFA&index=4
>>131543806Incorrect.>>131543832Correct.
>>131543890Keyed>>131544435Locked
Bruckner is better than Mahler
>>131544739Only on the opposite day
>>131539095>>131543832Scriabin is a meme composer>>131544803true. Bruckner never wrote anything even remotely close to the greatness that is Das Lied von der Erde
>>131545082True. Also, no one, not even Mahler himself wrote anything even remotely close to the greatness that is Mahler 9 and the first movement of Mahler 10 as well. In orchestral music, that is.
Composer recommendations? I like ravel, (late) scriabin, prokofiev. I hate chopin, bach, and rach.
>>131545398Das Lied is Mahler's best symphony objectively, followed by the 8th and 9th.
>>131545756Anything 20th century then. Debussy, Shostakovich, Samuel Barber, Stravinsky, Aaron Copland, Bartok, Gorecki, Dutilleux, Szymanowski, Lutoslawski, Alban Berg, Webern, Takemitsu, the list goes on...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxNzIwUSwYo&list=OLAK5uy_mRKhoVx550FrlbExtg29eeQcAqODeJ2VI&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWpU-kXLXko&list=OLAK5uy_moN5zgGJuo2UOrzlw-WxmqEi4dqiw6Zwc&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmV5Slb9bIQ&list=OLAK5uy_lRxZis2UFPkJvx4u8IjX6pssvqC4vZ6NQ&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skn7n1mUQuY&list=OLAK5uy_lRxZis2UFPkJvx4u8IjX6pssvqC4vZ6NQ&index=3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJY6ATiQxZA&list=OLAK5uy_mG7oCN6WiN8vFq5leHXlaxO8pEhB0HYIk&index=17https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bqnHdlaO-M&list=OLAK5uy_mG7oCN6WiN8vFq5leHXlaxO8pEhB0HYIk&index=108Sorry about all the links, I get overly excited when sharing music. Oh, and Mahler.
>>131545756Ravel is utter trash and so is your taste.
>>131545780Incorrect. 9th is the greatest symphony of all time by all objective criteria.
>>131546093the council on objective criteria recently issued a correction after subjectively miscalculating the data. Das Lied was confirmed to be the greatest symphony of all time, and in second is Wagner's Symphony in C Major.
now playingstart of Chopin: Four Balladeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VwcACHqGHY&list=OLAK5uy_leF9eI14cWybzws_PB8CpB1cA3s8TQTX4&index=2Chopin: Berceuse in D-Flat Major, Op. 57https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRQsDTvxgi8&list=OLAK5uy_leF9eI14cWybzws_PB8CpB1cA3s8TQTX4&index=6Chopin: Barcarolle, Op. 60https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVA-bgNe27M&list=OLAK5uy_leF9eI14cWybzws_PB8CpB1cA3s8TQTX4&index=7Chopin: Scherzo No. 4, Op. 54 in E Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cNSt_18-pw&list=OLAK5uy_leF9eI14cWybzws_PB8CpB1cA3s8TQTX4&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_leF9eI14cWybzws_PB8CpB1cA3s8TQTX4>Ever since the start of his career as a sensational child prodigy, Kissin has displayed a strong affinity for the music of Chopin, in concert and on numerous records. Here he performs a program of substantial pieces: the four ballades, written several years apart and not conceived as a group, which nevertheless complement one another through their contrasts as well as their shared narrative and descriptive atmosphere; the lovely, peaceful berceuse; the swaying, rocking barcarolle; and the brilliant, witty Scherzo No. 4. Throughout, Kissin's effortless virtuosity, his beautiful, singing tone, his command of voicing, dynamics, touch, color, and legato are phenomenal; cascades of notes flow from under his fingers with the speed and glittering lightness of dancing waters; his build-ups achieve orchestral sonorities. Musically, he seems to have lost some of his irresistible earlier spontaneity; the dramatic nature of the ballades encourages exaggeration, and the liberties sound a bit planned. However, the berceuse is a simple, expressive lullaby; the barcarolle surges to a grand climax; the scherzo sparkles with humor--its middle part projects a plaintive, ardent yearning. --Edith EislerPerhaps the Four Ballades recording to rule them all? We shall see.
>>131546231Spoiler: it ain't.
>>131546160Lol.
>>131546231If you insist on a single "set" for whatever vague, invalid reason, then it's either Cortot or Koczalski. If not, you also have Hofmann, Tiegerman, Friedman etc. to make the perfect set, without setslopping.
>>131546243No spoilers please!!!
>>131546262It's not so much I insist on a single set, but I love listening to them as a set. Unity of interpretive vision and all. Yes, I realize they weren't composed as a cycle, but there's still something to it; if not a narrative fluidity, then a thematic, musical, and emotional one.And, y'know, the names being the same.
What did he mean by this?
>>131546243>>131546262peep thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKGFfIlLHaE&list=OLAK5uy_leF9eI14cWybzws_PB8CpB1cA3s8TQTX4&index=3and APOLOGIZE
>>131546460>seethes at everyone even those that supported himWhat was his problem?He'd probably have seethed at Hitler too.
>>131546516he would absolutely have seethed at Hitler
Anyone here actually rate Liszt's and Ravel's piano concertos highly? I wonder if I've been overlooking and underrating them. They just seem so... unsubstantial.
now playingRichard Strauss: Don Juan, Op. 20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_9uGVEZp68&list=OLAK5uy_lrwGE9Darh_mMKhk-lA7wlTGJhLE6Uqgg&index=2start of Richard Strauss: Ein Heldenleben Op. 40https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M06g-G5WgiI&list=OLAK5uy_lrwGE9Darh_mMKhk-lA7wlTGJhLE6Uqgg&index=2https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lrwGE9Darh_mMKhk-lA7wlTGJhLE6Uqgg
i wish the opening of strauss' also sprach zarathustra didn't sound kitsch to me but it does. fuckin' kubrick!
>>131539095>>131543832Scriabin is a great composer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEwwn-P1Qqs&list=OLAK5uy_kjVgXcRyFduPayJS0ki1ohD-0B0Hw0PFI&index=9Still not a huge fan of Die Walküre but I gotta say, this Sieglinde is terrific.
>>131544541Forced
>>131546559They're perfectly rated. Not the best but not bad. I like both of Ravel's. Don't care for Liszt's >>131547197Locked
>>131547205Forced
>>131547192I've been enjoying this Ring Cycle immensely.Even though Bayreuth recordings are a complete meme, I can't wait to listen to Karajan's Tristan und Isolde from 1952 next
>>131547192>>131547372That's why he's the K-Godhttps://files.catbox.moe/u9kzt0.mp3https://files.catbox.moe/12v8kh.mp3Hell. Yes.
The ultimate debate: the superior performer and boxset of Richard Strauss' orchestral music.Karajan/BPOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgzBr40FVEU&list=OLAK5uy_m-9XtCKBMppyJfjCb7eec7v6sqQqv9SGE&index=26Kempe/Staatskapelle Dresdenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3IkiwYT00Y&list=OLAK5uy_lB7iqQzPfr_8KqfHPtRjo93HXfnokvlkk&index=8
>>131548077He's pointing at us
Carmine Coppola.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MIGiRIycr0
>ruins your recording by humming like a retard while he playsseriously what was his problem?
>>131549115autism, we've gone over this. he was super fucking autistic. that's it.
>>131549115It's called Sovl
This is your yearly reminder Dvorak has a piano concerto and it's... okay.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmiyVk3U8OU&list=OLAK5uy_lFU6IIx5gca2LQMTxY__Y_ESJ7XiL1LqA&index=1
>>131549554Please sanitize your links, lad.
>>131549603?What's wrong with it? I already have that browser extension that automatically removes the tracking id. Everything in that link is necessary; the first part is the video itself, the second part is the playlist of the recording.
>>131549554I love Dvorak's piano trios, quartets and quintets
>>131549750Those I love as well.
Brucknerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPbjM7Ok6uY&list=OLAK5uy_mA9jXE7G0cmotpT1S2qhM8LQBLDbuVTyU&index=1It'll be fun to compare this first recording of Bruckner's 8th done in 2012 with Paavo Jarvi's newer one from three years ago. At a cursory glance, it seems he adds a minute to the first movement, a minute to the third movement, and three minutes to the fourth movement. Slower with age or did he realize Bruckner is always better slower? We shall see and then compare.
>All this Paavo spamBuy an ad.
>>131550042Hey! I've said it before, this is one of the best ways to explore new classical recordings: going by performer/conductor/ensemble. And you get the benefit of seeing a consistent vision throughout their performances.
>>131543774Thank you for the reminder, Scriabin despite his neuroticism has beautifully calming and life affirming music
>>131550065I'm just fucking with you. I like him and the recording in my message.
>>131550091I know but I wanted to explain my approach anyhow :D
daydreaming of a Ravel 24 Preludes piano cycle ~
I don't want to name names but once you get beyond the first-and-second tiers of solo piano music, the rest is just shit. Third-tier chamber music and symphonies and even choral music, all listenable and good. But of piano music, man, you can't even put this stuff on in the background without either going "what the hell is this?" or "oh, was there music playing? not a moment of that stood out"
>>131550176how it feels to listen to Liszt and Debussy.
>>131550207It definitely applies to some of Debussy's less often programmed works, which is why whenever I put on a Complete Debussy Solo Piano Music set, I have to be ever vigilant so I can press Next at a moment's notice when one of those crap pieces comes on.
Edward Aldwell's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkVg8881CI&list=OLAK5uy_mGN-s_gTCkIXCDQfB5gyfisNkkeCeP-qM&index=37
>sonata:/>sonatina:O
wagner and solo piano music needs to be banned from this thread
Is there anyone else who doesn't like the Beethoven op.110? I much prefer the op.109, which is underrated and one of Beethoven's best, but I've never seen anyone who agrees with this. From what I've seen the op.110 is even more popular than the op.111 at times which I think is crazy.
>>131551641I love op. 110, can't help you there
>>131551641Op. 110 is fantastic and features one of the 2 greatest and most original fugues Beethoven ever wrote (the second being the penultimate variation from the Diabellis). 109 is great as well though, there’s no denying that.
>ALLES VERGANGLICHE>IST NUR EIN GLEICHNIS
now playingWeinberg: Sonata No. 3 for Solo Violin, Op. 126 (Live in Lockenhaus / 2013)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btc4z5WsZEE&list=OLAK5uy_miUlW5iQoxdThKF4Q6o5WvkCTz4GbhdTU&index=2start of Weinberg: String Trio, Op. 48https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfNQ7R4lVVE&list=OLAK5uy_miUlW5iQoxdThKF4Q6o5WvkCTz4GbhdTU&index=3start of Weinberg: Violin Sonatina, Op. 46https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiCO5R-RcPk&list=OLAK5uy_miUlW5iQoxdThKF4Q6o5WvkCTz4GbhdTU&index=6start of Weinberg: Violin Concertino, Op. 42https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFF3L-MBk9E&list=OLAK5uy_miUlW5iQoxdThKF4Q6o5WvkCTz4GbhdTU&index=9start of Weinberg: Symphony No. 10, Op. 98https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvqMxjp9hz0&list=OLAK5uy_miUlW5iQoxdThKF4Q6o5WvkCTz4GbhdTU&index=11https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_miUlW5iQoxdThKF4Q6o5WvkCTz4GbhdTU
if you listen to Pettersson symphonies and Bartok string quartets in the same night, you get added to a suicide watchlisthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFDTNyIIXbY
>>131550228Which one's are those? Because almost everything he wrote for the piano was absolutely perfect. I think what you said better describes Chopin and Beethoven's lesser known work.>>131550207Also Liszt, aside from the Etudes, Consolations, years of Pilgrimage, and Liebstraume, so late piano experiments he has a whole heap of garbage.
Is 99 the perfect age to record Bruckner's 9th?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cPhGtjXf8k&list=OLAK5uy_n4nu213EnR2Di3EndGkTqhqsrUp6o2iM0&index=2
Listen to Biber
>>131551990!!!Hell yeah. Thanks for the shout. Gonna listen to it tonight.>>131552009That album cover looks like the view of having sex with a woman from behind.
>>131552015That's because Biber's music is sex in sound form.
>>131552009I listened to his mystery sonatas once and was bored out of my mind, so I won't be listening to anything of his anytime soon.
Best Diabelli Variations recording?
>>131552116As with all Beethoven, there's lots of great ones (Serkin, Uchida, Anderszewski, Kovacevich, Paul Lewis) but I like this one,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONfmcIDbJtw&list=OLAK5uy_kb6vJ3uACc6UXkOI_smvbSXMPbPC5aIhM&index=33
Zelenka, Scarlatti, and Rameau are like the non autistic versions of Bach's keyboard and vocal works.
>>131552275if by non-autistic you mean normie, unspiritual, and unsophisticated, sure, I could imagine even my mother or some random bloke on the street enjoying Scarlatti and Rameau, and that's not a knock against them
>>131552286LIterally full of shit, normie's enjoy Bach more than the two I just mentionedBach is normie-coded but also autistic as fuck
My days aren't complete unless I listen to Mozart, Debussy, medieval chants and polyphony, and Franco-Flemish Renaissance
>>131551855Goethe would be horrified at such a bad setting of his scene.
>>131552379The most pretentious poster award.
>>131552497He's learnt from his master (aarvoll).
>>131552116Schnabel
>>131549115Watermark
>>131549115Don't worry, there was nothing left to ruin in the first place.
>>131552359normies enjoy like 3 Bach pieces
>>131552078Same. Early-to-mid Baroque music is simply uninteresting.
The only good music is early romantic.
>Flawed Masterpieces (That We Love Anyway): Bruckner--All Of It>All Of ItBrucknersisters... Our response?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD2s4jvukaMHe's right btw, nothing Bruckner ever made is wholly satisfying from beginning to end, if you have any musical standards whatsoever that is.
>>131553404>nothing Bruckner ever made is wholly satisfying from beginning to endMass in F Minor9th symphony + Te Deum8th symphony4th symphony
>>131553548Case in point.
>>131553825Mahofag is right tho
>>131552116Backhaus > the rest>>131553404>>131553548>>131553825>>131554068Cuckner bros....it's over. We must lay the firetrucks to rest.
>>131554068Correct, Sharthoanon illustrated my point perfectly.
>>131553404Vgh, raw Teutonic spirit is getting angry...
now playingstart of Chopin: 24 Preludes, Op. 28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA94vxR4fw&list=OLAK5uy_k_mcEi_XLndiJ3tTKlAYdTJC1LgDRsVss&index=2start of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra1ZPpd0SVc&list=OLAK5uy_k_mcEi_XLndiJ3tTKlAYdTJC1LgDRsVss&index=26Chopin: Polonaise in A-Flat Major, Op. 53https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFnbbF3s-08&list=OLAK5uy_k_mcEi_XLndiJ3tTKlAYdTJC1LgDRsVss&index=29https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k_mcEi_XLndiJ3tTKlAYdTJC1LgDRsVssThe Preludes are so good to start the day with.
>Greatest composer of all time died at the age of 39>Greatest mathematician of all time died at the age of 39The universe is trying to tell us something.
>>131555817>tfw turns out Chopin was waiting until he was 40 and ready to begin writing symphonies, chamber music, and sacred musicso sad
I just listened listened to Tchaikovsky's Symphony No.6 and I cried like a little girl. Is that normal?
>>131555889how pathetiqueIt's not abnormal.
>>131555931That part at the ending of the first movement made me cry. Also the ending of 4th. It's like a heartbreak I've never experienced before.
>>131555963That's the power of classical music and great art, baby.
arguably the most technically polished Chopin playing ever, courtesy of Josef Lhevinnehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYWPpBwTcXA
What do you guys think about the early classical eras´ thinking on how dissonance should be used?
you guys realize they kept recording classical music well into the stereo era, and in fact still release new recordings today, right? yeah? okay just checkin', because sometimes it seems like you guys don't know
>>131556857Wait... so you're telling me that I could have been listening to all my favorite pieces in crystal clear audio this entire time?
>>131556889Yes! I am!
>>131555707Any shortlist of greatest recordings of Chopin's 24 Preludes, Op. 28 surely has to include this one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wNgkbYFdZA&list=OLAK5uy_k_mcEi_XLndiJ3tTKlAYdTJC1LgDRsVss&index=13Divine!
hot take: Rachmaninoff's Etudes-Tableux > Chopin's Etudeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GCy1-lbM4
>>131556857the problem is the vast majority of modern performances are same-y and sterile. what many historic performances lack in sound, they more than make up for in exceptional performances that will forever be the envy of the modern performer. Listen to Beethoven's late quartets by the Busch Quartet, they can't be beat. Also, related, Adolf Busch was one of the few violinists who took Beethoven's Presto markings seriously:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEaGdMFmUro
>>131557224You really think the performance on that is so much better than anything today it's worth the inferior audio quality? Here's Kremer/Argerichhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmfae8HlHnw&list=OLAK5uy_mbQ5rXjqEyff1CJ0Un_Gsb0XurJeDX3Gw&index=33That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!
That's a crazy gap in runtime and presumably tempo.Michelangeli 1959https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZJethIZRY8Francois 1955https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H5WikAZZb0
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 1 in C Major, Op. 15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beJ-ppUcpAI&list=OLAK5uy_kwdmAUTBea47y4qtD_hwbmuj4DEjM97a4&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuEa4g1XyjU&list=OLAK5uy_kwdmAUTBea47y4qtD_hwbmuj4DEjM97a4&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kwdmAUTBea47y4qtD_hwbmuj4DEjM97a4>The Complete Beethoven Piano Concertos played by Grammy-winning Garrick Ohlsson, performing with the Grand Teton Music Festival Orchestra, conducted by Sir Donald Runnicles. A student of the late Claudio Arrau, Mr. Ohlsson is especially noted for his masterly performances of the works of Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert, as well as the Romantic repertoire. He is the only American to win first prize in the International Chopin Piano Competition.Man, deciding which set of Beethoven's piano concertos to listen to might be the most difficult recording decision in all of classical music. Especially because, unlike with Bruckner and Mahler, whose music also has a daunting abundance of options, with Beethoven's piano concertos, often times the differences aren't that pronounced. Don't get me wrong, there are interpretive differences, so everyone ought to have at least a handful of different favorite sets while still exploring new ones, but certainly not enough to justify hundreds of them.
>>131556594>the early classical eras´ thinking on how dissonance should be usedElaborate?
>>131556158Lhevinne's thirds etude is insane indeed. I saw someone claim Tiegerman's is better, and while I love Tiegerman, I don't get how someone would prefer him over Lhevinne's. Friedman and Rachmaninoff are arguably the most 'technically polished' while being absolutely top tier as well, but I feel 'technicality' should absolutely include tone, rubato and what they call 'musicality', in which case Cortot wins easily. The man was from a different universe.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T09OvyzM0Xo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt29NKCpbOA&list=PLExdRU27xbS21QKItw1HL9pVUwsdFm-0Z&index=19Close you eyes, you are in a room. Actually screw that, you are now in a forest. A serene forest with no nonsense you can normally think of. This is a lush forest. Green. Flowers scatter and fall as the wind rushes around you, creating a dancing aroma. No longer chained by the laws of reality and amidst the lush greenery, the dancing flowers, the singing wind, you see a woman approaching you. A brunette with piercing cold eyes wearing a nun's habit, barefoot, her cheeks red from the cold. Saying nothing, she jerks your hand toward her, desiring a dance.
>>131557804No thanks. Tchaikovsky's saccharine sweetness makes me sick.
cortot more like corNOT haha got 'em
>>131557369i wouldn't say the audio quality is all that inferior in this case. The Busch/Serkin recording is clear, you can fully hear both performers. Argerich is fantastic, there's no denying that. I will say, there's a limit to how autistic I'm willing to go with historic performances. Some performances from the 30's are not pleasant to listen to sometimes regardless of how "great" the performance itself is. Of course this does not apply to Toscanini's Beethoven cycle from 1939 which is God's gift to Man>>131557793>CortotPatrician taste detected
>>131557804I dig it
now playingstart of Dvorak: Piano Quartet No. 1 in D Major, Op. 23https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6FbrVOBTPY&list=OLAK5uy_m6QAu5d8COhVbnBaaEW8w32M2UVLSk1e0&index=3start of Dvorak: Piano Quartet No. 2 in E-Flat Major, Op. 87, B. 162https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgG-E04DyHc&list=OLAK5uy_m6QAu5d8COhVbnBaaEW8w32M2UVLSk1e0&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m6QAu5d8COhVbnBaaEW8w32M2UVLSk1e0>Dvorak's two piano quartets stand beside those of Beethoven, Brahms, Mozart, Mendelssohn and Schumann as important contributions to the chamber music repertoire.>Enlivened by Czech inflections, the elegant charm of the First, with its marvellous set of variations and combined scherzo-and-finale last movement, contrasts with the moreserious and weighty character of the Second, where an expressive theme for cello in the slow movement and a lyrical scherzo in waltz-time lighten the prevailing mood.
>>131558074Damn, that cover is fantastic. Really tempting.
>>131557940Okay. How about this then, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sCdkuuarhUAnger. Hate. You sit around the flickering lamp as the light in your room slowly withers away. You concenterate your thoughts on how you got here with nothing but a lamp, a desk and a pen. You realize you were labeled mad. They called you mad. You spoke against their rules, their laws, you criticized their thoughts and the idols they worshipped. You recall how they spoke your name with disdain, with hate, with rebellion. Nobody can understand you. You resent them.
>>131558105No rush, it'll still be there whenever you're ready, anon, just like that girl childhood friend who's had a crush on you forever :)
Schönberg... more like... ugly valley! hah!
>>131557715Very carefully.Or to elaborate a bit a bit moreUnison, third, fifth, sixth, octave, and the intervals made up of these and the octave are consonances. Some of these are perfect consonances, the others are imperfect. The remaining intervals, like the second, fourth, diminished fifth, tritone, seventh, and the intervals made up of these and octave, are dissonances.These are the elements which account for all harmony in music. The purpose of harmony is to give pleasure. Pleasure is awakened by variety of sounds. This variety is the result of progression from one interval to another. and progression.There's further rules as to how it's supposed to be done, in different contexts (both for dissonances, and consonances), but any dissonance is to be resolved to a consonance.etc.Not even a standard dominant seven chord was thought of as adequately resolved. Obviously different from the music starting to pop up around 1900.If you want to deep dive for real, this was pretty collected and nailed down by Johann Fux in what has later been translated as The Study of Counterpoint.
>>131558883Oh, I know the basics, I've done both four part harmony and counterpoint exercises. I was wondering if the "early" classical mindset was different from late classical. CPE Bach didn't use dissonances "very carefully" and neither did the great composers since JS Bach. I still prefer dissonances in somewhat functional context, but generally more is always welcome. I don't think anyone can be "right" or "wrong" here, it's good that there's variety and consonant music exists, but everyone has their own preferences.
>>131557940I bet you don't even play an instrument, you pretentious faggot
Holy shit
>>131558949Then maybe you know if a stronger delineation is then made between the dissonances in counterpoint? They separated the consonances but in the text it doesn't look clear how a fourth and seventh is different from for instance a second, or tritone. But their usage by most baroque and romantic composers including Bach, Mozart and Beethoven is clearly not exactly equal.
>>131558994Wow, I love horrible versions of great things!
>>131558994yes its shit
Toscanini's Beethoven > Furtwangler's Beethoven
>>131559215Karajan's Beethoven mogs both
>>131559387based and correct. im currently listening to Karajan's eroica and it mogs everyone so hard
>>131559093>>131559095>Gould is... le bad>>>/mu/
https://youtube.com/watch?v=tMNwwl6wqYIWow, this must be the swiftest Rhenish I've ever heard.
>>131559405I can only speak for his playing.
>>131559417Damn, I was just thinking about Rhenish and the second to last post is about Rhenish. Truly, GOATed symphony.How did Schumann do it, bros?
>Video game console or organ console? There's a high risk of confusion tonight as, Luca Akaeda Santesson playfully shifts back and forth between Bach and C418. C418? The pseudonym of Daniel Rosenfeld, composer and sound designer for the video game Minecraft, known for his minimalist ambient work: a tailor-made blend of the virtual and the virtuoso for Radio France’s Grenzing organ, which, as you’ll hear, can truly do it all. Matteo Plassard’s new piece enriches this musical universe, to which will be added the Prelude from the Suite by Maurice Duruflé, who passed away exactly thirty years ago—back when video games were still in their infancy.uh...based?
>>131558994As probably the anon who has listened to the most Goldberg Variations recordings here, and who generally dislikes Gould, I cannot deny he achieved something great with that recording. At absolute minimum, everyone should listen to it at some point.
now playing, more of Kissin's Chopinstart of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 3 in B Minor, Op. 58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXtOzzQFbaA&list=OLAK5uy_nmYDSd2nYFh7IJHtvIp0EODGaOOkvt8Fo&index=2start of Chopin: Mazurkas (selected)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mZSCQSaEic&list=OLAK5uy_nmYDSd2nYFh7IJHtvIp0EODGaOOkvt8Fo&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nmYDSd2nYFh7IJHtvIp0EODGaOOkvt8FoI loved his performance of the second sonata I posted above. Perhaps one of my favorites already. However, the community reviews on this one are a lot more mixed -- more claims of technical perception but emotional immaturity and shortage. He was only 23 when he recorded this. Well, let's find out! Like I said, I ultimately want to listen to a wide variety of recordings of Chopin's second and third sonatas.
>>131560343er, technical perfection*, not perception
6 Classical Pieces You Have to Like, or You Might Not Even Be Human:>Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade>Bach's Cello Suite No. 1>Barber's Adagio for Strings>Beethoven's String Quartet No. 14>Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto>Mozart's Symphony No. 41, "Jupiter"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLR7s8Rq7Dw
A lot of the lesser-known modernist symphonies and orchestral pieces I think would work and sound a lot better live than they do at home. The atmosphere of the dissonance aids in the effect, whereas listening at home, where the concrete musical elements are more important, they come off as kinda stodgy and trite.
Just came across this neat recording, which I figured I'd share because I know we have a few early music fans here. Basically, keyboard music from the late 1500s to the early 1700s, but played on a modern piano by a talented pianist. Something for both classicists and modernists!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1RC3p5z0EM&list=OLAK5uy_mape0GN3orhhUqxznzxOn9csixe9-Y580&index=1You can see the composer for the piece by looking at the video description. This first one appears to be by one Giovanni Picchi. Hopefully somebody else enjoys this!
>>131557369Kremer isn't even a tenth of the violinist that Busch was. Busch's tone is so much more singly, with its judicious and soulful portamentos and his natural sense of legato, while also not straying into the excessive vibrato territory that many post-WW2 violinists would adopt.
>>131560950backcover which lists the composers, I believe in order toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPHRWzfkbiY&list=OLAK5uy_mape0GN3orhhUqxznzxOn9csixe9-Y580&index=16
>>131559215yes>>131559404>>131559404>le metronome manFirst rule of /classical/club: Hate Karajan. Except in Wagner, he's actually good in that.
speaking of Beethoven's symphonies, what do you "it has to follow the metronome and Beethoven's original directions or it's shit" types think about Zinman's cycle, which virtually does just that?3rdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjgBhomofs&list=OLAK5uy_mLca5e90wcCI_KiRpiVyxhc3Y8Ux9fYOY&index=107thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9wDC_fZlOo&list=OLAK5uy_mLca5e90wcCI_KiRpiVyxhc3Y8Ux9fYOY&index=278thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFyPnRh-7Vg&list=OLAK5uy_mLca5e90wcCI_KiRpiVyxhc3Y8Ux9fYOY&index=30>>131559387>>131559404A respectable opinion
>>131552497>>131552501>your master
yeah, I just cannot do Hamelin. listening to his Medtner set is like pulling teeth. sorry
Sorry, Gieseking. Sorry, Thibaudet. Sorry, Ciccolini. Sorry, Bavouzet. Sorry, Demus. Sorry, Crossley. Sorry, Thiollier. Sorry, Paul Jacobs. Sorry, Pascal Roge. This set, by Noriko Ogawa, is my new official greatest Debussy solo piano cycle of all-time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVDGP02ydw8&list=OLAK5uy_lBcsG0KmCvkssx3q2mr3z8z71IRVcDQC8&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBN-JXscuQw&list=OLAK5uy_lBcsG0KmCvkssx3q2mr3z8z71IRVcDQC8&index=10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTb5LWVEpyw&list=OLAK5uy_lBcsG0KmCvkssx3q2mr3z8z71IRVcDQC8&index=17Check it out, you won't regret it.>A recent transfer of the Gieseking cycle on Regis prompted me to make a detailed comparison between Ogawa and Gieseking in all the “canonical” works. Did we still need Gieseking after all these years? I concluded that, in ten pieces, he remains unassailable. In all the rest Ogawa equalled, and sometimes surpassed him. ---- Christopher Howell, MusicWeb
>>131561027I don't really find anything special about it. I don't like autistic adherence to metronome markings, I just think that it has to be used as a proper baseline most of the time. There's really nothing special about ZInman's cycle, it's cut from the same cloth as most other HIP and HIP adjacent cycles these days, with the same, choppy clipped phrasing that doesn't lend itself to the music at all.
>>131561194Well, it's a cycle for people who do care about the metronome markings, while maintaining a traditionalist flair. Blomstedt's Gewandhaus cycle is pretty similar. I wouldn't call it HIP adjacent. Chailly/Gewandhaus, that's HIP adjacent. HIP influenced, made in a post-HIP world, trimmed-down and lean, sure.
>>131561234I care about the metronome markings, I just don't think it's worthwhile to be excessively pedantic about it. I don't hear anything traditionalist about it. It's still got that gross choppy phrasing that isn't conducive to the music at all, and is a wholly modern invention of the HIP music that has zero basis in reality. Sure, it doesn't use period instruments, but that hardly matters. A more appropriate comparison for a "traditionalist" approach would be Leibowitz, Scherchen (in 2, 4, 5, and 8), and selectively Toscanini and E. Kleiber. But even these choices are still fairly modern, even if they sound positively romantic compared to ZInman, Blomstedt, and Chailly. They still used full orchestras, with full phrasing, with a fairly sensible approach to tempo rubato that wasn't excessively straight jacketed (sans older Toscanini, but younger he was still flexible).And you can go back further to Oskar Fried, Richard Strauss, Albert Coates, Weingartner to hear Beethoven with the leaner, faster approach, while still heavily favoring the sense of rubato and legato that is so essential to these works.
>Yes, it is. It Is very strange. but with our race and in our latitude, rhythmic control is the most difficult thing for a musician to achieve. There is hardly a musician among us who can play the same note five times without minor variation. Part of the fault is that rhythm is never taught correctly to young musicians. For the Negro or African, it comes naturally—this sense of rhythm. As for myself, I can tolerate wrong notes, but I cannot stand an unstable rhythm. Perhaps I was born in Africa in another existence. Once in Vienna after we had finished a recording session, I surprised everyone by telling them that I was going to hear a Louis Armstrong concert. When they asked why? I told them that to go to a concert and know that for two hours the music would not get faster or slower was a great joy to me.
now playingstart of Liszt: Piano Concerto No. 1 in E-Flat Major, S. 124https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALe3uhdguAM&list=OLAK5uy_k-lySymgFsUTvxeEKJHEU7A_FlGDfFQmE&index=2start of Liszt: Piano Concerto No. 2 in A Major, S. 125https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf6oWMyQOKM&list=OLAK5uy_k-lySymgFsUTvxeEKJHEU7A_FlGDfFQmE&index=6start of Liszt: Piano Sonata in B Minor, S. 178https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_bF6IsEIQU&list=OLAK5uy_k-lySymgFsUTvxeEKJHEU7A_FlGDfFQmE&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k-lySymgFsUTvxeEKJHEU7A_FlGDfFQmESince they were first issued, Sviatoslov Richter's Liszt Piano Concertos have been widely admired as the finest performances available, and for most listeners they still are. Now they have been remastered by none other than Wilma Cozart Fine, Mercury Living Presence's goddess of the sound console, and they have come up sounding better than ever. To make matters even more exciting, you also get Richter's well-nigh definitive performance of the massive Sonata in B Minor--and all for only mid-price! Even if you hate Liszt, hate concertos, hate pianos, hate Russians, hate music in general, you should own and treasure (or punish yourself regularly) with this recording. --David HurwitzSurely a recording which belongs in every classical fan's and /classical/ anon's library.
>>131561480>I wish I was BLACK AAHHHHHKarajansisters?
For me, it's Sir Reginald Goodall's Tristan und Isolde (in English!)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KdOd_5CZfo&list=OLAK5uy_mKvrKbJd3YP8cDR-K2rvWCLW5qjwfg53M&index=10
now playingstart of Gershwin: Piano Concerto in F Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jth_zLhoHi4&list=OLAK5uy_k_psAe3KqFtJFY61acUWO9MQiTufEFlfM&index=2start of Ravel: Piano Concerto in G Major, M. 83https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H5gmyBXWtY&list=OLAK5uy_k_psAe3KqFtJFY61acUWO9MQiTufEFlfM&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k_psAe3KqFtJFY61acUWO9MQiTufEFlfM>This is one class act. Helene Grimaud generally prefers the heavy-duty German repertoire and has fought hard not to be typecast as a dainty "French" female pianist. Nevertheless she has expressed a certain affection for selected French and non-Germanic works, which is a good thing for us because this is the best performance of the Gershwin concerto we are ever likely to hear. It has style, warmth, and bravura to spare. In fact, everyone concerned treats it like it's the greatest piece of music in the world, and the same positives apply to the Ravel. --David Hurwitz
>>131562264Isn't she only famous for being the attractive pianist?
>>131562264>She described family nationalities in a New York Times interview with John Rockwell: "My father came from a background of Sephardi Jews in Africa, and my mother's ancestors were Jewish Berbers from Corsica."[3] Her father was adopted as a child by a French family, and he became a university tutor teaching languages.Wtf!!! How does she look so white? Does being adopted change your ethnicity? Is this one of those cases where someone's pretending they have more Jewish ancestry than they really do?
What caused C20th art music to become so self-referentially academic, drive away most of its audience and disappear up its own arsehole?
>>131564577It's not a situation unique to music. You have to look at the art culture in general.
>>131564790So, a combination of deconstruction and a move away from making actual art and into making a commentary on art or the nature of art? Is that fair, or am I in danger of disappearing up my own arsehole?
Bach's B minor mass is better than Schubert's G major mass
>>131564577Late stage Capitalism (unironically)
>>131564577The other two answers are also correct, but the main reasons are: intellectual decline first and foremost, as well as stagnation of progress and failure of classical music to adapt to new envionments and culture.
>>131559417beautiful, Schumann is truly underrated
>>131563400She has some fine recordings. None I'd place in my favorites, but pretty good.Correction: her Brahms piano concertos is top-tier. and that Gershwin+Ravel.
Would Chopin prefer Mahler or Wagner
>>131564971If you made art in the traditional style, you would get accused of being a reactionary/fascist.
>>131566943Nah, more like you would gain no attention unless you market it well & have connections, even then you'd be extremely lucky to have 1/10th of the fame Alma Deutscher has, who's still relatively unknown.No one is accusing Deutscher of being reactionary or fascist btw. Not in the media anyway.
There are still quite a few Walküren left for me to discover but I'm not really feeling it, so onwards to Siegfried.
>>131567372Zwangvolle Plage! Muh ohne Zweck!
Is Alma Deutscher good or just the musical equivalent of Thomas Kinkade?
>>131567245That's because it's not C20th anymore.
decided to try Tozer's Medtner and while listening, came across this savagely negative reviewhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4dCaiVLeWY&list=OLAK5uy_mvfOwVJpXJST_nC4WJYMbqY3Dw3YHz7BA&index=27Maybe I shouldn't give up on Hamelin's set yet...
Do they make Scriabin wind chimes? Just the first 6 notes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VYX05DopGs&list=RD1VYX05DopGs&start_radio=1
now playingstart of Bruckner: Symphony No. 9 in D Minor - Edition: Leopold Nowak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBFHGU8Bq6g&list=OLAK5uy_kXmhS59aLFYEoXyiqB3PwbI0Mw3IG2MNM&index=2start of Sibelius: Symphony No. 2 in D Major, Op. 43https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88i-aTEfo2U&list=OLAK5uy_kXmhS59aLFYEoXyiqB3PwbI0Mw3IG2MNM&index=5start of Nielsen: Symphony No. 5, Op. 50https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF5I0bO_IpM&list=OLAK5uy_kXmhS59aLFYEoXyiqB3PwbI0Mw3IG2MNM&index=9start of Nielsen: Symphony No. 4, Op. 29 - "The Inextinguishable"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIk3wr89bpw&list=OLAK5uy_kXmhS59aLFYEoXyiqB3PwbI0Mw3IG2MNM&index=12https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kXmhS59aLFYEoXyiqB3PwbI0Mw3IG2MNM
>>131567372Listening to the Solti recording... is Mime supposed to sound like that? I remember him sounding much more pleasant in Das Rheingold.
>>131567901Depends on recording. Some conductors prioritize the dramatic contrast and have Mime sounding comically grotesque, some go the other way and focus on beautiful music, with the Mime sounding almost as mellifluous and pleasing as Siegfried.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgjQ5wUXJd8&list=PLfJSnjMLSGVEXqtPMzyEKeHv5RMlH7Rp2&index=29gotta hand it to Wagner, this got a laugh out of me
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbH5RN2yFRU&list=OLAK5uy_n-DRos36zZydaTNVxBsWaCXuTAfGIaGVo&index=128
>>131567901Because he was sung by the very singly Paul Kuen in Rheingold, and in the Siegfried one he's sung by Stolze, who plays up the evilness quite a bit. Which is kind of funny, because when Stolze was singing straight, he was even more beautiful than Kuen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7MXPUIn1r4&list=OLAK5uy_kzB1WG7khcjrFB2CKJgnN59xyTPZcLJrY&index=9Just listen to that voice, god damn.
>>131568491What exactly was funny?
>>131567372I gotta say, not the most exciting opera overall.
Alexandra Papastefanou's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsgcd4aQpJE&list=OLAK5uy_nXZrYRnTHOmXSsccwZXvgIi3nSrOp-etE&index=30
>>131562264I mean, she looks like Eva Green here and seems to have a decent sound, but it's almost like she's accompanying the orchestra rather than the other way around. Just no leading voice at all....which is kinda the point of a fucking concerto.
>>131568904Jewish?
Do you usually listen to the most renowned performance of a piece you've previously never heard before, or do you simply pick an arbitrary one?
>>131569209If it's a piece I've never heard before, it doesn't really matter that much. I'll get autistic about recordings if I like the piece.
>>131569209Always the most renowned and popular>Karajan Wagner>Bernstein Mahler >Schiff WTC>Gould GoldbergEtc.
>>131564577It is partly (some would say wholly) the rise of Jewish academia insisting on "metric" based valuations of music, the whole 12 tone bullshit when composers for hundreds of years had always experimented with chromaticism but understood it as a tool for specific use, not general slather. It's similar to the whole "long take" trend a few years back in movies, which really just revealed that most directors don't know how to write, edit or pace their movies anymore.However I suspect it also had illicit government support. We know the CIA promoted abstract painting like Pollack in the Cold War against the USSR. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they sponsored 12 tone nonsense to contend with Soviet music, which clearly has more staying power not just in classical but even in military marches and soundtracks like Command and Conquer Red Alert. They succeeded in pop music much more with Jazz, Rock and so on.I think it would be more interesting to ask people here if they think the age of Classical music "ended", and if so when. Personally, I consider the development and evolution of European classical to have ended with Ravel and Sibelius. Sibelius' 7th Symphony in particular seems to me both an expansion of the symphonic form to its ultimate limits and a general goodbye to the whole endeavor. And in this admittedly narrow view, everything since has either been up-its-own-ass academic snobbishness like 12 tone or parodies, either in respect or farce. The latter includes all soundtracks and 'orchestral music'. The slight exception here might be Shostakovich, who I admit I'm not too familiar with. Basically I consider Classical like Latin: a dead language, and a dead culture that ensures the language will stay dead. So things may follow that call themselves Classical, but to me, it's the same situation as Rome vs Byzantium...the latter might wear the skinsuit of the former, but it's still clearly a beast of a different nature altogether.
>>131569209I usually just go with a performer who I generally like.
>>131569348Solti's Wagner is far more renowned and popular than Karajan's though
>>131569091I woulda' guessed Greek based on the last name. You need to step up your ethnic and nationality game.
>>131569209It varies, but yeah, usually the top result with the highest quantity and quality of ratings on Amazon. Unless there's a performer I recognize and particularly like.>>131569348>>Schiff WTCThat would be Richter's!
Does anyone have this set of Minsoo Sohn's Beethoven's Complete Piano Sonatas they can upload and share? Please and thank you.
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4 in G Major, Op. 58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIfwLQo7LkQ&list=OLAK5uy_n62H3-4YArkBPPEeq37Kr7zKCWT6tGUA4&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 30 in E Major, Op. 109https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GD0fGc1IeE&list=OLAK5uy_n62H3-4YArkBPPEeq37Kr7zKCWT6tGUA4&index=5start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 31 in A-Flat Major, Op. 110https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KwH4FZsH4I&list=OLAK5uy_n62H3-4YArkBPPEeq37Kr7zKCWT6tGUA4&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n62H3-4YArkBPPEeq37Kr7zKCWT6tGUA4>This disc, Helene Grimaud's first with Teldec, also marks her first collaboration with Kurt Masur and the New York Philharmonic. Beethoven's Fourth Concerto is a fitting test for a young pianist whose sky rocketing career has earned worldwide media attention. Masur, a skilled orchestral accompanist with a personal affinity for Beethoven, elicits an expert performance from his forces.Usually I would never willingly listen to a Kurt Masur recording, but I'll make an exception for a young Grimaud.
brahms
sucks
>>131572386hey! >:(
now playingBach: Aus tiefer Not schrei ich zu dir, BWV 687 (arr. G. Kurtag)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2dB7GE6Rnc&list=OLAK5uy_mZ8WmN0Gi7l0OvkyJsRysE0b8WoRP_iOU&index=2Berg: Piano Sonata, Op. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LGkkqnI16s&list=OLAK5uy_mZ8WmN0Gi7l0OvkyJsRysE0b8WoRP_iOU&index=3start of Beethoven: 6 Bagatelles, Op. 126https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmF2ypGud30&list=OLAK5uy_mZ8WmN0Gi7l0OvkyJsRysE0b8WoRP_iOU&index=4Bach: Das Orgelbuchlein, BWV 599-644: Ich ruf' zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ, BWV 639 (arr. F. Busoni for piano)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQehRNMBuuQ&list=OLAK5uy_mZ8WmN0Gi7l0OvkyJsRysE0b8WoRP_iOU&index=10Busoni: Fantasia nach J. S. Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYhY0yCfHZM&list=OLAK5uy_mZ8WmN0Gi7l0OvkyJsRysE0b8WoRP_iOU&index=11start of Barber: Piano Sonata, Op. 26https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYQAn_Lrbdw&list=OLAK5uy_mZ8WmN0Gi7l0OvkyJsRysE0b8WoRP_iOU&index=12Bach: Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit, BWV 106 (arr. by G. Kurtag)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkKwXcXojNc&list=OLAK5uy_mZ8WmN0Gi7l0OvkyJsRysE0b8WoRP_iOU&index=15https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mZ8WmN0Gi7l0OvkyJsRysE0b8WoRP_iOU>Ashley Wass performs a musical autobiography: a selection of works that are personal to him, all of which are directly inspired by J.S. Bach. Wass describes the project as being '...the first mixed repertoire recording over which I've had complete control - a series of pieces that have been particularly significant in my life and career to date.' The booklet contains notes by Ashley, detailing the stories which inspired his choices, including the Beethoven Bagatelles which were part of his winning program at the London International Piano Competition.Silly name aside, I think this is a wonderful program/combination of pieces, so I felt compelled to share.
All I can say of Brahms is that he's a rather puny little dwarf with a narrow chest. Good Lord, if a breath from the lungs of Wagner whistled about his ears he would scarce be able to keep his feet.
>>131572491It's truly a testament to the universal power and beauty of Bach's music that it pairs just as well with modernist pieces as it does with baroque, classical, or romantic. There's another recording that mixes pieces between Bach's Art of Fugue in string quartet form with Webern, and you'd think it'd clash but it's a seamless fit and works very well.
>>131572498The Pachmann quote mogs, because he's actually right whereas Mahler is wrong.
just realized I forgot to listen to a new recording of Liszt's piano sonata today, shii. it's not too late
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5aUXqT4Fag&list=OLAK5uy_k7CFeR66RHKWLHLyINW_MTTxfH2hxTuPQ&index=1
Ravelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtKQkdmZUus&list=OLAK5uy_kidojW3TBAVOT7BOzrO6C_ysJwn1GfQVw&index=1
Provided I enjoyed early 19th century gothic opera like Freischuetz or The Vampyre, what else can you recommend?
>>131573402Damn Maurice has a nice butt
>>131569209when I first got into classical I would look up renowned performances. now if I want to listen to a piece I haven't heard before, I explore the performers/ensembles that I enjoy
>>131573567Early Wagner operas?
bumpo limito
>>131574865Not quite.
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