Orlando di Lasso editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsOPzn-yq9cThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131575254
>>131603348Minimalism is nice
>>131603353Incorrect.
>>131603360cope seeth dilate
>>131603353Minimalism is shite*
>>131603402Correct.
Maximalism is supreme.
>>131603353Peak modernism.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXJWO2FQ16c
Listen to thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO6PfdAczqA
O shi, I just remembered I have one day to write a 200 word essay on the emotional content on every Chopin Nocturne! HELP
now playingBrahms: Albumblatt in A Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w08XIm47g64&list=OLAK5uy_ntChaVR5i0EIorcFFLYR9EuHdGmHnUbEQ&index=1start of Brahms: 8 Klavierstücke, Op. 76https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdUgdx68UGY&list=OLAK5uy_ntChaVR5i0EIorcFFLYR9EuHdGmHnUbEQ&index=3start of Brahms: 7 Fantasien, Op. 116https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoD6xM3x2UE&list=OLAK5uy_ntChaVR5i0EIorcFFLYR9EuHdGmHnUbEQ&index=11start of Brahms: 3 Intermezzi, Op. 117:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNKS0Of6-lo&list=OLAK5uy_ntChaVR5i0EIorcFFLYR9EuHdGmHnUbEQ&index=18start of Brahms: 6 Klavierstücke, Op. 118https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO6dTw3gFus&list=OLAK5uy_ntChaVR5i0EIorcFFLYR9EuHdGmHnUbEQ&index=21start of Brahms: 4 Klavierstücke, Op. 119https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6UFyLM4Zbo&list=OLAK5uy_ntChaVR5i0EIorcFFLYR9EuHdGmHnUbEQ&index=26https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ntChaVR5i0EIorcFFLYR9EuHdGmHnUbEQ>Late Brahms speaks in fragments, memories and subtle revelations. In these intimate piano works, every gesture carries the weight of a lifetime distilled into a few measures: songs without words, reflections that seem to emerge from silence and return to it. Here Sir András Schiff brings together the Albumblatt (an early piece, discovered in 2012), the Klavierstücke op. 76, the Fantasien op. 116, the Intermezzi op. 117, the Klavierstücke op. 118 and op. 119 in a recital that traces the inward arc of Brahms’s final decades. Rather than monumental statements, these are conversations with memory—music of extraordinary concentration, where tenderness and clarity coexist. Recorded in the Kammermusiksaal Hermann J. Abs in Bonn on a Blüthner piano from the 1850s, Schiff’s performance reveals the subtle architecture and poetic intimacy of these, for the most part late, masterpieces. Every phrase is shaped patiently, allowing Brahms’s music to unfold with quiet inevitability.The newest Schiff. The old piano gives it a spectral, ghostly sound.
>>131603934>10 words per nocturneThat sounds unironically difficult.
>>131603934That sounds gay
>>131603934"they're bretty good, ngl."there.
gonna spend the day going through Ivo Pogorelich's discography. it's smaller than I would have imagined.
>>131604820That's what she said
now playingChopin: Nocturne Op. 48, No. 1 in C Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-tGUpF18ew&list=OLAK5uy_n6_aqrxQiTqvw9gCHeLhBO786COopcZ3I&index=2Chopin: Nocturne Op. 62, No. 2 in E Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz4u0re3vdU&list=OLAK5uy_n6_aqrxQiTqvw9gCHeLhBO786COopcZ3I&index=3Chopin: Fantasy in F Minor, Op. 49https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTSjFiwhTZM&list=OLAK5uy_n6_aqrxQiTqvw9gCHeLhBO786COopcZ3I&index=4start of Chopin: Piano Sonata No.3 in B Minor, Op. 58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVMkCjruozs&list=OLAK5uy_n6_aqrxQiTqvw9gCHeLhBO786COopcZ3I&index=4>Ivo Pogorelich has a special relationship with the piano music of the Polish Romantic composer Frédéric Chopin. It is Chopin, after all, whom he has to thank for his international breakthrough. When, at the age of 22, Pogorelich took part in the 1980 Chopin Piano Competition in Warsaw, his exceptional playing caused an immediate sensation. Martha Argerich, who was on the jury, described him as a “genius”. Since that time, Pogorelich has been increasingly committed, on recording and in concert, to an image of Chopin that is far from the commonplace cliché of the brilliant and pleasing composer of salon music. Now Pogorelich once again offers completely new insights into Chopin’s world and the soul within the sound in what is in fact his fifth Chopin album, but the first for more than twenty years. He has selected works from the 1840s, the last decade of the Polish master’s life. These include the Nocturnes op. 48 no. 1 and op. 62 no. 2, the Fantasy op. 49 and Chopin’s third and last Piano Sonata, op. 58.[cont.]
>>131604849>What Pogorelich admires in these works is Chopin’s ability to make the piano a gateway to the soul: “Chopin delivers an open invitation to penetrate human psychology. It’s a specific invitation to continually seek out and explore every possibility that the piano has to offer. That’s a never-ending process, and it will continue to challenge new generations of artists in the future too.”>The Croatian-born pianist traces a path in this recital that starts with the small form, continues by way of the brilliant Fantasy and finally reaches the large-scale, four-movement sonata form. In Pogorelich’s hands, despite their magical lyricism, the two Nocturnes have a gripping sense of tension and drama. The Fantasy in F minor, op. 49 is marked by a sombre mood of conflict, yet at the same time it reflects the improvisational skill for which Chopin was celebrated. With the Piano Sonata No. 3 in B minor, op. 58, the composer not merely bids farewell to this genre, with all its rich tradition. The work also demonstrates his efforts to create a new kind of sonata. And with Ivo Pogorelich this much-performed and popular piano work is transformed into an exciting new encounter with Frédéric Chopin.Excited for this one! Also gonna check out Pogorelich's recording of the second piano sonata.
Listen to bouncy French baroque musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OMjMgQXHGo&list=RD4OMjMgQXHGo&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29VGumP3PnI&list=RD29VGumP3PnI&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJfd9CuE7MU&list=PLa1rC97wRkZj8RpE1veIyaO6--lScUlWL&index=37https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kllOB5xHpBA&list=PLa1rC97wRkZj8RpE1veIyaO6--lScUlWL&index=41https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJFy1XJ8sZ0&list=RDIJFy1XJ8sZ0&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueilskCnOP0&list=PLa1rC97wRkZgTAv1W75PSAD4-p23K1dBc&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0zjalSc96A&list=PLa1rC97wRkZgTAv1W75PSAD4-p23K1dBc&index=6
Did Brahms die a virgin?
>>131605041No, he solicited prostitutes.
>>131604849I'd rather get cancer than experience P*gorelich butchering my favorite nocturne ngl.
>>131605133respectable opinion
Can I get some recs for Renaissance albums/composers?
>>131605133Pogorelich isn't ideal for an everyday recording but it's nice to hear a familiar piece done differently, especially when in the hands of a genius musician.
>>131605205Mad genius maybe.
shilling this Pienaar recording again:Just came across this neat recording, which I figured I'd share because I know we have a few early music fans here. Basically, keyboard music from the late 1500s to the early 1700s, but played on a modern piano by a talented pianist. Something for both classicists and modernists!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1RC3p5z0EM&list=OLAK5uy_mape0GN3orhhUqxznzxOn9csixe9-Y580&index=1You can see the composer for the piece by looking at the video description. This first one appears to be by one Giovanni Picchi. Hopefully somebody else enjoys this!
>>131605242backcover which lists the composers, I believe in order toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPHRWzfkbiY&list=OLAK5uy_mape0GN3orhhUqxznzxOn9csixe9-Y580&index=16>>131605170it's not historically accurate but you might enjoy this set
>>131605256Thanks, going to listen through right now
>>131605256>>131605242>>131605272Ah wait I missed the modern piano part. I don't mind but I kind of wanted to hear it on the virgin piano or whatever they call those
>>131605286For sure, I feel ya.
>hisssssssHey! Turn that down!
>>131605170https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfEYU4ZiDIc&list=OLAK5uy_nBID-OOH8rx2KhsXx_JzPiaGvl6KN-Dmc&index=2
>>131605361Make me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCsyo4PqdIc
It just seems to me Gulda's Beethoven piano sonatas cycle does everything Schnabel's does but better and in pristine audio quality.Guldahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSIwG7qLqb0&list=OLAK5uy_m_afPa6Mlu26qm3BjKrYKKDCFhkrLRxAo&index=9Schnabelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgTo6MNcoDY&list=OLAK5uy_mlN3mxI1iJgidfcOtxZkOifR4wWXYgv3g&index=9
>>131605436Hey! Turn that up!
>>131605041Who is that handsome fella?
For me, it's Lovro Pogorelich.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF_Rp_EnJdU&list=OLAK5uy_nOKtsp4vBuQZvhgIs0JEQo6qvjhLYx59o&index=1
yo, orlando lasso has over 2000 compositions to his name! deep dive when??https://youtu.be/9tNgAGfydwE
>>131606072When we run out of other composers.
>>131605170
>>131605133Actually. He has maybe the 2nd worst set of preludes. After Pletnev.
>>131605170>>131606072the great lasso/lassushttps://youtu.be/-ad6mvK1XAs
>>131605170https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiiiWZjyEkI&list=OLAK5uy_kiFAWu9-mNXDmAcUEBB7O02ux81A4m85Q&index=1150 minutes of music on that recording
Man, piano music is really hitting the spot today.
>>131606497listen to Nyman then>>131603353
Dvorakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZQ1If9y2F8&list=OLAK5uy_mc98xEGdPIwObiMQnyIYroY7Rsr8s4WAQ&index=1
>>131606497listen to Sorabji then>>131603432
>>131606599Wtf I love Dvorak now
>>131606615Why
Has anyone listened to CPE Bach's cello concertos? Are they any good?
>>131606615>>131606635>Haha, anon, I said I like Bach. Bach!
okay, okay, I'm starting to vibe with Schnabel's approach a bit. He does have a really good sense of dramatic tension, manipulating phrases for greater musical impact and emotional effect.
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VvlfmB0bko&list=OLAK5uy_nfg90zj-aRjosXB6ityGoDJbwKsp8uEKA&index=35
this is probably the best classical album
>>131606654without a doubt
>>131606666For me?
>>131606700Based.
>I recently reviewed Nelson Freire's recording of the Chopin Nocturnes and found them to be the finest Chopin performance I had ever been privileged to hear. The present album features the pianist playing the Chopin Preludes. Also on the disc is Philippe Entremont's superb reading of the 4 Ballades. Although I really regret having to say this, Freire is less convincing in the Preludes than he was in the aforementioned Nocturnes. To be fair, his performance of the Nocturnes was so sublime that it would be difficult for any pianist including Freire himself to match or exceed it in one of Chopin's other sets of pieces.hmm basedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWaCPLc0mSQ&list=OLAK5uy_k5YYS7DsrOXdvWQlsbYO9pQ_9INk5XAuY&index=12
>>131606654judge for yourselfhttps://youtu.be/SJX-Kb3htzA
Scarlattihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndsXVrajLYY&list=OLAK5uy_l99qhCHAhxP5u1L-MYGirnqejn4_QK8cA&index=1
>>131606896classical classical is the "basic bitch" but god damn it's the best
lasso's stupendous requiemhttps://youtu.be/CVfV5bbqyOY
this review describing Barenboim's Bach as "Bachmaninov" is both hilarious and accurate
>>131607018It's hilariously inaccurate. The true Bachmaninovs are Busoni's, Feinberg's and Rachmaninoff's Bachs.
>>131607285Either you don't understand what it means or you haven't heard his Well-Tempered Clavier
ChomaninovScrianinovLisztmaninovBeethoninovShostaninovProkomaninov
>>131607291I'm simply disputing what they mean by Bachmaninov. What they should mean is his style of performance, which aligns closest to Busoni and Feinberg, not Barenboim.
Staring out the window, contemplating my life, listening to Scriabi's Preludes.
>>131605704Visual reconstruction of Beethoven after digging up his grave
>>131596234Thank you.Bartok - Sonata for Solo Violin. Not the best Bartok output.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtdCRPglq-gKrzysztof Penderecki - La Follia. Liked Var. IX the most.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKGdAV0wdM4Mieczyslaw Weinberg - Solo Violin Sonatas. Didn't like the first and the second ones but surprisingly enjoyed the third one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0yeJr2-SHkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOcXFH50Gqwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZQrSwQtFy8
>>131608845hey now, don't sleep on Reger'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FasV6dIVH90&list=OLAK5uy_nEMqgSnsUTkcZQC8lXS0NjGwbZBd6XfrE&index=1
>>131604000Totally faceless playing. I compared it to an actual MIDI of Op. 117/1 and there's virtually no difference lmao
>>131608941Yeah I didn't enjoy it either. I suppose the hope is the early piano sound will cover up the pallid, bloodless performance.
I love Beethoven's piano sonatas so much. I could listen to them on repeat for the rest of my life. They're the plays of Shakespeare for music.
>>131608963His Mozart period piano album is much better. I think he just doesn't gel with Brahms, he plays it ponderously and distant, like some weird Debussy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyPgkE7NRjw&list=OLAK5uy_l8sM6nL2wkroAr_SGBVOvGtxGxBgv9RxY&index=2
>>131609204Which ones are good? None of them really clicked for me
>>131609585I'm at the point where I consider all 32 to be masterpieces, but if you're still trying to get into them, a good rule of thumb is all of the ones with names, + 21 and any above that.>None of them really clicked for meIt's possible you just didn't try a cycle/recording set that worked for you.Hopefully these click, and if they do, try the rest of cycle,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyjnWqxL2CQ&list=OLAK5uy_m_afPa6Mlu26qm3BjKrYKKDCFhkrLRxAo&index=69https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzEyIJkK1vo&list=OLAK5uy_m_afPa6Mlu26qm3BjKrYKKDCFhkrLRxAo&index=75https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLmpiorMoiE&list=OLAK5uy_m_afPa6Mlu26qm3BjKrYKKDCFhkrLRxAo&index=94
>OMG i love classical!>their classical playlist:>beethoven moonlight first movement loop (2 hours!)>bach cello suite 1 prelude loop (1 hour)>relaxing classical music for studying (4 hours)>chopin nocturne 1 (looped 2 hours!!)
>>131609929for me it's >Beethoven's Symphony No. 9>Clair de lune>In the Halls of the Mountain King>Rhapsody in Blue>videogame OSTs and Hans Zimmer film scores
>>131609585Op. 110
>>131609929>Lang Lang version of everything
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT-R2-Skppo&list=OLAK5uy_ln10vg9NKupilvzfLe16AlZT6LjAaPT6s&index=1
I wish I enjoyed Bach's cantatas more.
Sometimes when you read an effusive review by a layman (read: casual), they'll throw in the praise along the lines of how the musician or orchestra didn't make any mistakes. So this gets me to wonder, are there any famous recordings with mistakes? Were mistakes more common with popular recordings back in the days? For me, I assume any time I'm listening to a recording by a professional musician or orchestra (so, always), the performance is flawless in terms of technical proficiency.
>[Parsifal Prelude plays softly]
Currently, there are only two symphony cycles I can listen to endlessly without tiring of them: Bruckner's and Sibelius'.
What's the best schubert piano sonata cycle?
>>131610285>they'll throw in the praise along the lines of how the musician or orchestra didn't make any mistakesIf they're a layman, then they probably just didn't notice a mistake.>are there any famous recordings with mistakes?Yes, plenty. Karajan's Mahler 5th for a very famous example has more than a few mistakes. His first recording of the Mahler 9 has a tremendous failure in the third movement as well. There are tons of recordings with mistakes, especially amongst more difficult compositions, like Beethoven's Hammerklavier.
>>131610409So, the problem with this question is unlike with Beethoven or even Mozart, most Schubert cycles don't actually contain all of the sonatas. Some start at 4, some at 7, some at 11, some at 14! With all of that said, pic is the one you want. Leonskaja's and Schiff's are also worth trying (his original one on Decca, not his pianoforte one on ECM).Then once you realize the early ones aren't really worth having, that's when you branch out into Uchida, Paul Lewis, Rudu Lupu, Brendel.anyway, here's Kempff'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7aGYiYC3Y&list=OLAK5uy_lpgwLdrhqoWVd7LOAEW20MyO4SylyuD-I&index=1
>>131610431Interesting. Yeah, like I said, I guess I always figured professionals didn't make mistakes, and then you factor in the fact of studio recordings, if a mistake happens, they just do another take, so end product is flawless. Turns out I was the casual!
>>131610494That's why early recordings prior to the LP era are even more impressive when they're technically sound, because by nature of the expensive recording process, they were given very limited retakes, sometimes none at all. In many cases, they're mostly live (sans the break between sides)
>>131610509There's this one line I read in a review I think about sometimes,>Some performers and their recording teams go to great trouble to try to present perfection: a young Shlomo Mintz told me in an interview that for his [Bach's Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin] 1984 DG recording, he did more than 2,000 takes.I believe Zimerman is famous for that too. Anyway, yeah, those older generations come off impressive indeed.yikes
>>131610285Pretty much every famous hiss recording has some mistakes.
>>131610742Well I'll be. Since I'm the inexperience, clueless novice compared to the experts that are the performers, I always chalk up any kind of aberration or idiosyncrasy in the performance to a deliberate interpretive decision rather than error.
>>131610409Just listen to Brendel or Goode for the late sonatas. The early ones aren't worth anyone's time.
>>131610747Sometimes it isOr they has different editions of scores
>>131610780I think Goode is a wonderful pianist but>doesn't do the repeat in the first movement>14:01 first movement runtimedismissedstill nice thohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_OFrnjhedA&list=OLAK5uy_me-AGbIyD621F3D74AzONwUEbTqlMBBLI&index=1
It's time (to listen to Wand's Lubeck Bruckner 8)https://files.catbox.moe/pxgsxq.flacJust remembered I've had both this and the Lubeck 9th saved for months now, so about time I finally listened to them.
>>131611030>doesn't do the repeat in the first movementbased. neither does brendel btw.
>>131610486What a fitting image for Schubert's boring, monotonous, unjustifiably bloated piano sonatas!
>>131611649>boring, monotonous, unjustifiably bloated piano sonatas!But enough about Beethoven
>>131611717Truth nuke
Thoughts on Anjie Fischer's Beethoven sonatas?
>>131611717Wrong.
>>131611649I wish I could call you a slur right now, but this is a blue board
>>131611717True.
>>131610409not a cycle, but Schnabel for the late sonatas>>131611717holy cope! Beethoven delivers twice the drama in half the time. Schubert's greatest works in sonata style are always padded with figural variation
>>131612677>Schubert's greatest works in sonata style are always padded with figural variationAnd that's a good thing.
>>131612736
>>131611946Annie Fischer? 10/10 set. One of the very best.
>>131612201*wakes up* Huh... sorry, what? I fell asleep listening to Schubert repeat his already monotonous and repetitive exposition.
I was wrong about Stravinsky. Stravinsky is okay.
I was right about Stravinsky. Stravinsky sucks.
>>131613473Yeah, just okay; not "one of the greatest composers of the 20th century".
I was right about Debussy. Debussy sucks.
Monteverdi has no equalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9105NkJxjGA
>>131613686tru but Three Movements from Petrushka is incrediblehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTW8lIB3hI8
Scriabin morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuH_7vJvxbM&list=OLAK5uy_loSiIhsi8_xQVoMVxh_yxTgsrQZQWy6RI&index=15
>>131614710>donoHoewho?
Don't you hate when you wake up and you have your coffee and it's time to listen to some classical music but there's like five or six different pieces you want to listen to at the same time and you can't decide? I hate that.
>>131614812just listen to them all at once
>>131614812I never listen to music in the morning.
>>131614790No, not Donowho. Donohoe. It's actually a nice set. It approaches Scriabin with classical German restraint. Some might think it fatally neuters the mystic, life-affirming vitality of Scriabin's music, and I get that, but for me, and hopefully others, the limpid approach emphasizes the genius because it allows the musical lines to be appreciated without any of the fuss or histrionics.
>>131614834No wonder you're always so cranky.
>In his entertaining booklet notes, Schiff asks (rhetorically, we hope) regarding performance of this mammoth work on the piano: “…hand on heart, can you listen to a harpsichord for that long?”kek HIPsters and harpsichord sisters btfo
Why was Elsa such a cunt in Lohengrin?>Will you promise not to ask for my name?>YesThe fucking moment they're alone>WHATS YOUR NAME DUDE>WTF YOU'RE LEAVING???Like she had one fucking job and she couldnt do it why
>>131613746Came across one of his songs and its incredible, the thing they do where the harpsichord does a fill/roll between the vocal melody is something else. I think it might be an improv on the keyboardists part but Im not sure. Is there a name for what or can you rec some more pieces that do that kind of thing? https://youtu.be/1SQqOIu2_6g?si=IhnaiWbJkX2D0Vh5&t=238
>>131614921yes obviously
>>131614921wtf I love Schiff now
>>131614927a name for that*
>>131614921I hate modernism, which includes HIP, but harpischord is great under the hands of real masters. Only if we had Cortot's harpsichord recordings, there would be no contest. Although Landowska is excellent.
Ravelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGz_ehnK2us&list=OLAK5uy_n7TNX2ZJ2YG-TzuB_mwb1qGmbDQW5wqnc&index=2
Brahms.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7zHoPB-mdg&list=OLAK5uy_kE2wFO8FiloRsY6KJmM1vizuCu3lY3QwA
>>131615093I too will listen to this.
>>131614991social-outcast/internet tough guy tier post
>>131613473He couldn't even write for elephants.>CIRCUS POLKA>For a young elephant.>The original commission for this ballet came to George Balanchine from Ringling Brothers and Bailey Circus, and he was entrusted with the choice of music. It is said that he immediately telephoned Stravinsky. 'What kind of music?' asked the composer. 'A polka.' 'For whom?' 'Elephants.' 'How old?' 'Young.' 'If they are very young, I'll do it.' They were very young, so Stravinsky agreed.>Polite, as elephants always are, the big performers listened to the circus band, as it played their working music through. They listened, but with growing distaste and uneasiness...>...elephants are dignified animals. They respond instantly to waltz tunes and soft, dreamy music, even to some military numbers of a particular circusy tempo. The involved musc of Stravinsky's "Elephant Ballet" was both confusing and frightening to them. It robbed them of their feeling of security and confidence in the world about them...>It would have taken very little at any time during the many performances of the ballet music to cause a stampede.
The first movement of Brahms' first symphony is way too thick and heavy. Same problem as with his first piano concerto.
>>131615382It's not lyrical, certainly, but that power is part of its emotional narrative. Similar to, say, the first movement of Bruckner 5.
Might do an all hiss day. Schnabel's Beethoven, Gieseking's Ravel, Edwin Fischer's Bach, maybe Casals' Bach. Just gotta figure out the rest. Maybe I'll finally listen to some of Scherchen's Mahler.and yes, maybe some of Cortot's Chopin. Is there a good hiss Nocturnes?
>>131615301Amusing anecdote.
Mahlerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1_vG-tRKAk
Beethoven is at his best when he sounds like Mozart
I can't listen to Mahler or Buckner anymore. Cause of that anime fox poster here.
>>131614710>>131614851>playing vertical composers horizontallyIt's gonna be a nope from me.
>>131614921The piano is objectively a superior instrument for virtually everything but the (very rare) keyboard concerti.>>131614927yes that is improv'd by the performer. they're adding flourishes and embellishments as part of the continuo. you can find that sort of thing all over baroque music.
>>131614921The harpsichord tickles the brain just right
>>131615669I haven't the slightest what that means but okay!
Ravelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KltUIGM8SmY&list=OLAK5uy_lJsoVG4gB2Yavt4XgRYanQ85h0-eJxJRo&index=1
What's your favorite trombone solo?
recs for hiss Bruckner aside from Furtwangler?
>>131615465There's no single set of nocturnes that is good from beginning to end.Happy hissing!
>>131615684The WTC structures sound so crisp on harpsichord.
>>131615721>the absolute state of /classical/'s knowledge of music
>>131616218fine, guess I'll peep Ciccolini'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfJUrv6-uP0&list=OLAK5uy_kqIL4tknyUd9qh4rVtrNb793CuVSGR-yc&index=17not hiss but old enough
now playingstart of Debussy: Préludes, Livre I, CD 125, L. 117https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_11dFv07rk&list=OLAK5uy_lx_MLK8aW8Z0aSvuqH9wqj8YIvXi2ZQ78&index=2start of Debussy: Préludes, Livre II, CD 131, L. 123https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hS_fH3fbKg&list=OLAK5uy_lx_MLK8aW8Z0aSvuqH9wqj8YIvXi2ZQ78&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lx_MLK8aW8Z0aSvuqH9wqj8YIvXi2ZQ78
>>131616155Kabasta, Beinum, Andreae, pre-heart attack Walter, the other Jochum, Schuricht, selectively some Horenstein (mostly the live 5th and the Vox 9th)
>>131616463Thank you. I've had that Andreae in my backlog forever, I'll probably go with that, especially because it's a complete cycle.
>>131616490it has some weird editions but it's a good set overallthe 4th, 6th, and the Te Deum are the highlights
>>131615721even among the people who know, only the retards care
>>131616503>the 4th, 6th, and the Te Deum are the highlightsSpoilers! I start from the 3rd and work my way down.>sub 20 minute Adagio in the 9thoh different times
>>131616512Yes, back when conductors still had an understanding of meter in Bruckner
I really liked Horenstein's Mahler 1. Were the boomers right all along? Is he one of the great all-time Mahler conductors? damn
AI prompt: add artificial hiss, crackles, and pops to recordings by Thielemann and Barenboim so I can try and trick the hiss sisters on /classical/ into saying they like it
>>131616155Jochum Berlin/Bavaria cycleKlemperer Bruckner 4 (Vienna, VOX)Walter/NYPO Bruckner 7Horenstein
>tfw you realize haydn mogs all from the classical period
>>131616888He just sounds like a poor mans Mozart to me
Recs for hiss solo piano Brahms? At minimum his Ops. 116-119, but ideally with his third piano sonata, Op. 76, 2 Rhapsodies, and 4 Ballades.I saw Gieseking has some buried within the mountain of coverless, informationless releases on YouTube Music, but I personally avoid listening to anything without a clear provenance or recording detail, eg how do you even know it's actually the right performer, if it was actually any good someone would have packaged and released it somewhere, etc.>>131616805Thanks
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zixj1hF4mHE&list=OLAK5uy_l2A6TW9Yyc7y81Vd5bd6qKylMu46USgCE&index=1
I'm starting to come around on Schubert's early and middle string quartets.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z5QGlFilcw&list=OLAK5uy_ktaLt44sFlLkZqa0EQ4W2ddSj5exISDKs&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO6ak9IesjM&list=OLAK5uy_ktaLt44sFlLkZqa0EQ4W2ddSj5exISDKs&index=6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctFGi9yVBVo&list=OLAK5uy_ktaLt44sFlLkZqa0EQ4W2ddSj5exISDKs&index=18https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QYcLfIeBPI&list=OLAK5uy_ktaLt44sFlLkZqa0EQ4W2ddSj5exISDKs&index=21
>>131616940you should listen to more music
now playingstart of Brahms: Symphony No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 68 (Recorded 1955)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDY_KWN26Vg&list=OLAK5uy_k2en81gaM2NRFe62QbgnfRC1AiO2Ibckg&index=2start of Brahms; Symphony No. 3 in F Major, Op. 90 (Recorded 1956)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgkMmIrDp6I&list=OLAK5uy_k2en81gaM2NRFe62QbgnfRC1AiO2Ibckg&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k2en81gaM2NRFe62QbgnfRC1AiO2Ibckg>This is a new installment of SWR CLASSIC-series dedicated to Hans Rosbaud. It contains all the recordings the Austrian conductor made for the SWR, some of them being for the first time released on modern recording technology. The recordings were made shortly (days!) before his death. Both Piano Concertos are interpreted by famous pianists of the 20th century: Walter Gieseking and Géza Anda, Gramophone recently remarked that Rosbaud ""was one of the unsung heroes of mid-20th-century music, who ... gave thoroughly rehearsed and assimilated performances and premieres of the widest possible range of music"". In Fanfare, Peter J. Rabinowitz pointed to range of his sympathies, claiming it was ""greater than that of just about any of his contemporaries except perhaps Bernstein, Scherchen, and Stokowski. Rosbaud is best remembered, probably, for his Mahler, his Bruckner, his work with the Second Vienna School ... and especially his commitment to the post-war avant-gardeLike I always say, you can never have too many Brahms sets.
>>131616940that's because half the time he is, but the other half I'd say he's nearly as good and sometimes his equal. Listen to his middle and late string quartets.
Book 2 highlight from the Well-Tempered Clavierhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQwSKxtgR58&t=142s
>>131603348Would anons here be interested in tuning in tomorrow at 6:00PM (EDT) to listen to Verdi's Macbeth performed live by Met Opera? It's their Opening Night for 26/27 season and the audio stream is free.https://ondemand.metopera.org/radio/a7baf155-0df5-5c48-a287-41b89abd0fddhttps://www.metopera.org/season/2026-27-season/macbeth/
>>131616543Eh. I do like Horenstein but I personally think he's all wrong for Mahler. He basically completely ignores all of Mahler's tempo indications and plays things fairly stiff. >>131616990Backhaus. His early set of Brahms is quite interesting. https://litter.catbox.moe/egrb7cotdw1dw4zg.zipThere's a bunch of others but they're not as complete. Probably should listen to Carl Friedberg at some point, as he was a Clara Schumann disciple.
>>131618402Ah yeah forgot about Backhaus'. Thanks! While we're at it, any recommended hiss sets for Schumann's solo piano music? Aside from Jorg Demus.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2s9N-oiYos&list=OLAK5uy_kmbvRW-vmdatHtZ1RrW88LOmaj6EMAqhQ&index=22oh turns out it was recorded in the 70s so not hiss at all.
>>131618444Cortot has a ton of Schumann all very goodRachmaninoff has a reference CarnavalI like the early Firkusny set too
>>131618458Ah yeah I should've recalled Cortot. Thanks.
I don't know what it is but I have not been into chamber music lately. The sound of dominant, severe strings is not meshing well with my ears. Just solo piano and symphonies for me until things change.
I'm ruling out hiss Brahms symphony cycles. You just lose too much orchestral detail and there's so many quality modern sets without any audio blemishes to justify that ever being worth it. I reckon I'd probably feel the same about Schumann's symphonies too. With cycles like Beethoven's, Mahler's, and Bruckner's, where the interpretive horizon is endless, you can actually justify "yeah the sound isn't the best but the vision is so good as to make it worth it". But not for Brahms and Schumann.
>>131618950I think both the interpretive insights and timbral differences are enough to warrant historical Brahms; you aren't going to find another Brahms 3rd with as soulful string playing as Mengelberg's for instance. Just listen to this: https://files.catbox.moe/6dhx2k.mp3It's positively dripping with soul. The natural legato line, the subtle yet persistent tempo rubato, the way the strings slide back and forth lending it that somewhat pitiable singing quality. There isn't another third movement on record that sounds half as heart broken. This is Brahms' most introspective piece, and most performances simply sound far too academic, especially modern performances which don't understand romanticism at all.
>>131619155That's pretty good, but I disagree modern recordings can't be as good. Here's two choices aren't even necessarily my favorites,Wandhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zIao7krQk4&list=OLAK5uy_mXRgrFN4UsU8aEc_j3AewXagS9HB7QIR8&index=7Alsophttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeCRhKUdAXk&list=OLAK5uy_mI7VoJuMopYPUJRUjlOl7PfCG_AIV4dis&index=3Sanderling/BSOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI9J10mXUFE&list=OLAK5uy_nFX2z5HYx0gWSnEW2DkCwcsG-75iU3eRM&index=12I think they all pull it off. You might disagree, and that's fine, but to my ears, which I admit aren't the best, it just isn't worth the loss the detail.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ggz-iBlo6E&list=OLAK5uy_l9wOdDV8tP2qvPfv3UVXoI9F1QYo5U-_0&index=13
What kind of sick person records Shostakovich's 12th Symphony but not his 11th as well? Such a tease.
>>131614921Clavichord is better than harpsichord
>>131619510Alsop's is genuinely awful, how do you even listen to it? She just plays out the beats with absolutely no sense of rhythm or emotion. And the sound of the strings is so thin and hollow.
>>131616990It's spelled "Opp."
Thoughts on Roslavets? Is there any more to him than being a worse Scriabin?
>>131619652I mean it was like two years ago I listened to it but I remember liking it quite a bit.
Mahlerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkvS7QMx5bQ&list=OLAK5uy_lM7CWwT_LlJVfaGE2gR4aMXUjZ0TKM4mw&index=5
One thing I do detest about hisstorical recordings is often there's several releases on distinct labels, each with a slightly different mastering, which adds another annoying layer of decision, because there's no official release, or it's gone public domain, or people have found disparate source tapes and tried their hand at making something different, I don't know, but it's vexing looking at all the options and having to choose, especially when ultimately it's a choice between shitty and slightly less shitty, and rather than compare, I just end up searching for a modern recording and put it all behind me, ya feel?
>>131620275Don't we have critics and reviews for that kinda decision?
>>131620280For different masterings of the same performance? Sometimes but not always. For example, if I search up Gieseking's Debussy Preludes on YouTube Music, there's like seven or so different options to choose from, four of which are sets of complete works. Are they ultimately all the same? Which is the best? Ugh!
>>131620275Not really. I can understand the annoyance of finding multiple sources but actually comparing them is quite easy. You just use your ears and A/B. Just like you should be doing with performances.
>>131620302I'm not saying it's a paralyzing decision. More so, it's another fork in the road moment, annoying because like I said often it's between shitty audio and less shitty audio, where my mind might just resolve to back out and choose another recording entirely, one without the same issues.Like if the decision is 50:50 between a modern recording which has an official release versus a hisstorical that has 3 different bootlegs, I'll just go with the former.
Let's see what's new on The Classic Review... a new Lise Davidsen/Gardner Verdi recording, neat. One of the more important sopranos of our time, certainly essential to listen to if one is into this kind of music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p97wFeQ0xYk&list=OLAK5uy_mwE-ZL0FSGoQ-iOYQggeyvNISRTgDeSeU&index=1>Lise Davidsen performs the arias from five of Verdi's greatest operas: Macbeth, Un ballo in Maschera, La forza del destino, Don Carlo, and Aida. Through the chronological sequencing of compositions, Davidsen explores the pinnacle of 19th-century Italian opera, leading us through the journey of Verdi's emotional and dramatic development. From the psychological intensity of Macbeth to the grandeur and tragedy of Aida, Davidsen brings her vocal power and remarkable nuance to five of Verdi's greatest masterpieces, illuminating the composer's unmatched gift for drama, passion, and human conflict. "Her dark soprano is simply outstanding, the attack on the notes so clean, rock solid, seemingly effortless," Mark Pullinger on her role as Elisabetta in Verdi's Don Carlos, 2023. This album will be released a week ahead of her opening of the Met season as Lady Macbeth in Verdi's Macbeth in 2026.review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-verdi-opera-arias-lise-davidsen-edward-gardner/cue obligatory "all modern opera singers are shit" reply in 3...2...1...
I swear, the first conductor to program Schumann's and Grieg's piano concertos together deserves some kind of honorary statue lol
Yo-Yo Ma rules!
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>>131619155As much as I like Mengelberg and his style, I prefer Furtwängler here. Mengelberg really plays with time and phrases too much, Furtwängler is more steady which this movement benefits from. Something inbetween the two of these interpretations would be perfect.
>>131620683Well, that's exactly why I like it. It has the same careful attention to every little detail that a Friedman performance does, and the singly quality it has is positively enchanting to me. By comparison, Furt's performance, while I like it, isn't as special. Well, I'm not a huge fan of Furt in the 3rd in general. The best one is the 1948 one but the orchestra makes some pretty glaring mistakes in it that somewhat annoy me. His best prepared performance is the Cairo one, but that also has less incidenary playing. I've been listening to Koussevitzky's Brahms 3rd a lot lately, which is just fabulous. https://litter.catbox.moe/9qyh5q5z0x4t7kw3.zip
>>131616509>only retards care about how performers perform specific musicIncredible insight.
>>131618950>>131619510van Beinum is the GOAT Brahms symphony cycle. It has the perfect orchestral balance that makes Brahms shine. It was also remastered in 2021 so you can embrace the hiss without worrying what your friends and family will think of you.
>>131621226who are you quoting?
>>131622706Your mama, before bedding her.
>>131622706Go ahead, explain "only the retards care".
The more I listen to them, the more I think that Brahms' first three symphonies are mere trifles and that only his fourth is worthy of attention.
>>131622814only retards care enough about the distinction between vertical and horizontal playing to entirely dismiss performances on that ground alone, especially if they believe some composers must only be performed one way or another. someone like that is most certainly a hissfaggot.
Tchaikovsky 6 is the greatest of all time
>>131623413Funny, that was my initial reaction and I still think that. They have some good moments (especially poco allegretto from 3rd), but on the most part they're a bore. 4th is the good one.
>>131623413wrong.
>>131623631top 5 but not the GOAT
>>131623413Embarrassing, but if that's how you feel. Obviously no one is gonna enjoy everything in the standard repertoire. Hopefully someday you do.And of course, following my usual rule for this kind of thing, I hope you tried at least three different recordings/sets before coming to this decision.
>>131623810I pretty much exclusively listen to Celibidache, so my perspective is admittedly a bit limited.
>>131623413what compels one to make such a silly post?
>>131623822Why do you exclusively listen to one of the worst conductors in history?
>>131623822>>131623839His Brahms is actually pretty good (EMI set if you like his idiosyncratic Celibidache-isms, DG set if you want a more traditional approach).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsu7T-SD32M&list=OLAK5uy_lijEEEReyrEng22LoUfanmNcMpi8liKUU&index=1Gravitas and spiritual transcendence, baby.Shit, now I might spend my day listening to this set, followed by the EMI tomorrow or next to compare and enjoy both approaches.
Schumann.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU3n4y2WxWE&list=PLU8CWZCRPhA6obYb4V7sAwh6x0rgdmIl5
>>131623893>Levine's SchumannHell. Yes.
>That doesn’t mean that these are bad performances; the orchestra is too competent for that. But they lack Bernstein’s ebullience and gravity, Zinman’s transparency and period-influenced lightness, Barenboim’s genuine feel for the German tradition, Sawallisch’s easy spontaneity, Muti’s rhythmic kick–I could go on. oh but when I try and talk like that about recordings, people on /classical/ make fun of me and accuse me of bullshitting
>>131623954Yeah a lot of classical critics are full of shit and you shouldn't emulate them
Reading music critics is a wimpy behavior. Just listen to the music and develop your own opinion
>>131624005True!
>>131623979But all of those described traits, I also hear when I listen to those sets! Okay, maybe not "easy spontaneity," that's the one I sometimes read in reviews, particularly when espousing the virtues of live performances, that I've never understood.
>>131623954Don't worry it's just as retarded when they say it
>>131618950>I'm ruling out hiss Brahms symphony cycles. You just lose too much orchestral detailalso, this is not even remotely true. the vast majority of recs here are in adequate sound, and if you think you're missing essentials in any of them, you're delusionaltape hiss does not obscure musical content. the ear is more than capable to hear through it.
>>131624005The primarily impetus for reading reviews is I just enjoy reading about music and recordings. I mean isn't that what we're doing here in this thread? I listen to X recording, let's see what others have to say about it. As for influencing opinion, yeah, there's no denying that seeing a unanimously lukewarm or effusive reception does shape my own perception a bit, but hey, if it helps save me time or motivate me to give a worthwhile recording I didn't like on first listen a second chance, whereby I end up discovering its charms, well, these are all good things.
>>131623770List the other four (4).
>>131624049beethoven 7brahms 4mahler 3sibelius 4
Arrau on Schnabel
>This week was an ordeal, a torture chamber . . . I had no idea of how outrageous a process the recording on discs could be. Like slave drivers they burdened me with six hours of recording on a daily basis. I had to play pieces that were not included in the contract, but I had no time to prepare them. They thought I was always able to play all the Beethoven sonatas and concertos at the drop of a hat. Instead of refusing to do anything that was not prearranged, I Iet them, as usual, cajole me into doing it . . .>In these four minutes sometimes 2000 or more keys are hit. If two of them are unsatisfactory you have to repeat all of the 2000. In the repeat the first faulty notes are corrected but two others are not satisfactory, so you must play all 2000 once again. You do it ten times, always with a sword of Damocles over your head. Finally you give up and 20 bad notes are left in it. I am physically and mentally too weak for this process and was close to a breakdown. I began to cry when I was alone in the street. Never before had I felt deeper loneliness. My conscience tortured me. ---- Schnabel on the process of recording Beethoven
>>131624217Oh, so this is why his Beethoven cycle is so bad. Figures!... is what I would post if I wanted to ragebait hisster sisters.
>>131624217Yeah it's a common story with late 19th century performers. Only a few took a shine to the recording process. Most of them hated it. Rachmaninoff famously preferred making piano rolls simply because he didn't have an engineer or producer yelling at him. >You may give an excellently played, genuinely felt performance of a movement, but because the engineer is not satisfied, because there is some rustling at one point, so you do it again and this time something else goes wrong. By the time you get a “perfect” take of the recording the players are bored, the conductor is bored, and the performance is lifeless and boring. … I detest all my own records.-Pierre Monteux commenting on studio recording sessions in The Times, March, 1959
https://operawire.com/editorial-why-im-retiring-from-staged-opera-at-43/I was reading discussion about this article, and a common sentiment seems to be that there are way more prospective opera singers than there are roles to fill. Which made me wonder: if there are so many singers that Intendanten can be as picky as they want, why are all the singer who get hired still so bad compared to last century?
>>131624306Because they're trained poorly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGzqVmdNJL0
>>131603353Even the name "minimalism" sounds like it's doing heavy damage control for an otherwise empty genre. It's like when the word retard became an insult so new terms constantly had to be invented for it to sound nice like "special or "disabled" or "neuro-divergent".
>>131624244In all honesty, I'll finish listening to it because it's a renowned set and I want to experience it and be able to say I've tried it, but I'd be shocked if I ever played it again.But hey, tastes change throughout one's life.
Bruckner 4 morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGwSD0EUqtE&list=OLAK5uy_lcDhqgq1TAoTaIGuw32x4E6g5u8yWJVIg&index=13
I am somewhat new to classical but have just listened to all of Mozart's symphonies in the span of a week or two. I must say it was generally a better experience than last month when I tried sitting through all of Bruckner's symphonies, I'll revisit him some other time but my brain couldn't always follow his stuff. Mozart on the other hand was pretty good and easy to follow. I liked symphonies 17, 29, 35 and the last four or so quite a bit. I'll move to his Piano sonatas now
>>131624602Make sure you listen to Uchida's set.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r20bHO9C_Zg&list=OLAK5uy_k4TWmhvfUXMjF4yEdDf5NFg6VREYqT3sA&index=2
>>131624602Yeah, Bruckner is best saved till once you have a handle of things. I did not understand his music at all when I first listened to it. It did contain a certain allure of unfamiliarity and mysticism that kept drawing me back however.Anyway, yeah, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Rachmaninoff, Schubert (8th and 9th), Elgar. These are better to try early on. Then once you're comfortable, you try Mahler, Shostakovich, Bruckner, Sibelius, Nielsen.>I'll move to his Piano sonatas nowEnjoy!
The end of the first overall phrase of Schumann's 4th symphony sounds like the beginning of a concerto where the soloists's entry would be lol
>>131624602well, Mozart is a far greater composer than Bruckner, so there's that.If you want to get into Bruckner, the best way is to listen to Schubert first. Bruckner in his symphonies essentially picked up where Schubert left off
>>131624602based 29 appreciator.I don't like Uchida like the other Anon but it's a popular set so you might as well start with it.
If I ever get a chance to write and head a TV show, I will make the lead character a cute girl passionately into classical music, which will be an effective tool in increasing the popularity of classical in the public sphere. See the explosion of chess fans from The Queen's Gambit. Short of this, I will make sure the script is leaden with references to classical music. Crime show? They kill a dude while listening to Mahler's 6th. Drama? Beethoven's 7th plays while they drive a car. Having sex? Rachmaninoff plays in the background. And so on.
>>131624646based. i love Uchida's Mozart stuff so much
last two digits decides which mozart piano concerto i listen to now
>>131624646>>131624881Thank's I'll use this one, it sounds pretty good. >>131624602>>131624602I think I'm just going to approach Classical like a genealogy in which I'll somewhat just move through prominent composers and eras. No hard and fast rules for my approach but for symphonies I was thinking of starting w/ Mozart and then moving to Beethoven and then Brahms. I know there's a lot more than just symphonies and Sonatas so this is just more the diving board if anything.
Schumann symphonies3 > 1 > 4 > 2
>>131625013Symphonies and piano sonatas are a solid foundation with which to start. After a bit, toss in some string quartets and violin/cello sonatas.
>>131625013>>131625110Oh, and violin/piano concertos, of course. But yeah, you're doing fine. Symphonies and piano sonatas are a natural place to enter classical music.
now playingstart of Beethoven: Sonata No. 9 in A Major, Op. 47 ("Kreutzer") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMT2ilSptQk&list=OLAK5uy_n63_t3iL5e_YGE_veJeHpOHz1dW4K-eLY&index=1start of Beethoven: Sonata No. 5 in F Major, Op. 24 ("Spring")https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpRYnpyo88w&list=OLAK5uy_n63_t3iL5e_YGE_veJeHpOHz1dW4K-eLY&index=5start of Beethoven: Sonata No. 8, Op. 30, No. 3 in Ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28IvOk0UOHA&list=OLAK5uy_n63_t3iL5e_YGE_veJeHpOHz1dW4K-eLY&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n63_t3iL5e_YGE_veJeHpOHz1dW4K-eLYNever forget: Beethoven's Kreutzer violin sonata has the power to save the world.
>>131624602What made you listen to 41 fucking symphonies lol. I have barely listened to the last few by Mozart and I don't even like them.
>>131625013I don't know why I responded twice to myself for the second part of this post I meant to reply to >>131624647 and >>131624862>>131625110>>131625125Yeah they have a simple enough for to follow. I do get the idea of other pieces too I've never been invested in classical music but am lucky enough to have a (vague) grasp on the different forms and eras. It's just a matter of training my ears and listening
>>131625337>Yeah they have a simple enough for to follow*form
One of the guys here always recommends this girl.I listened to her Preludes hated them.Now I gave this one a try months later. Hate her again. She plays really slow. Like the reverse Argerich.
>>131625545The guy who recommended that literally likes everything. >inb4 ackshually there's this one recording
Which performers always rush?
I need help:Which classical music piece of the trumpeter quoting at 3m16s to 3m34s:https://youtube.com/watch?v=nQynVBFHCJ8&t=3m16sI know that in the original piece after the trumpet part, strings play a descending melody, so it has to be an orchestral piece. It’s not Mendelssohn's funeral march, which has a similar melody. This shit keeps looping in my head and I’m going insane
>>131625631me that one time i had sex 7 years ago
>>131625803https://youtu.be/HsclK5ytvAg
>>131623432>only retards care enough about the distinction between vertical and horizontal playing to entirely dismiss performances on that ground aloneWhy? Because you said so?Dismissing a performance on that ground alone makes perfectly reasonable sense when its entire approach is so far removed from what makes the music effective and intelligible in the first place that you start to wonder whether the performer even cares about the music they're playing.Playing an extremely vertical composer completely dryly and "contrapuntally", or doing the reverse to an essentially horizontal composer, can completely undermine the music. What's retarded isn't being critical of that, but rather pretending that articulation, voicing, texture, chordal weight and the basic fucking direction of the musical narrative are somehow incidental to interpretation. Retarded dilettante.
>>131625631Glenn Gould, Abbado
>>131626109>Why? because you said so?uh yes Anon, that's how opinions work, good job. Or do you think we are actually, literally medically diagnosing people as retards in this website? I'm just calling you a bitch.
>>131626380NTA, but some opinions are more valid than others. Yours just happens to be astronomically invalid.
>>131625545I like slow.
>>131617815It's starting. So far we had 30 minutes of commentators talking, promoting season lineup and feeding some info about the opera.>>131620389Arias from Macbeth here.
>>131617815>OperaGo back to plebbit, charlatan.
>>131623631Certainly the greatest musical uttering about death.
How do I get into Medtner?
>>131626821The Hamelin set.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIWlqU9_eZw&list=OLAK5uy_lNbF9ADgDRCsx05bzFIAgf1WU7FVrBWBo&index=14+ hours of goodness.Then for the piano concertos, there's the Tozer/Jarvi set, but if you don't mind spread across three separate recordings, don't sleep on Sudbin.Tozer/Jarvihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJkwBCrg16o&list=OLAK5uy_k_SunLDnOglgrvgSSFyNeoo2Z-Fo66yxs&index=1Sudbin No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPyesqEzEZo&list=OLAK5uy_lwYYGkLP7zL4PEPUKmKWfEoAxkmqLQJXw&index=1enjoy!
>>131617815I'll peep for a little, thanks.
>>131626863I've heard some of the Hamelin recording, but I can't understand his play style.
>>131625563And anons here would baffling have you believe you're only supposed to enjoy and listen to one single set for each piece for the rest of your life like you're getting married even though there's countless talented musicians and conductors with just as many possible interpretations of the greatest music, when if you follow any critic, and they list the essential recordings of a repertoire masterpiece, they recommend a wide spectrum, even if they have a few personal favorites.
>>131626883I feel you on that. Which leaves the Tozer sethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F61fwYrfUD8&list=OLAK5uy_mvfOwVJpXJST_nC4WJYMbqY3Dw3YHz7BA&index=1There are scattered recordings of the piano music around, and you can add up to all of them by different performers, but if you want a single set with a unitary vision, your option is limited to Hamelin or Tozer, sadly.Personally I don't love Hamelin's playin either but I think his is superior to the Tozer set here, so I just deal with it. But hey, you might actually love the Tozer one.If you don't like either, here's an example of a scattered recording. This guy has 3 hours of the 5 hours of music across his 3 volumeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITw_gWvbyAk&list=OLAK5uy_kQ36spZllNgn4CEnfbuUC0XV0XgsvOiEU&index=3here's anotherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVGxIvS7d_k&list=OLAK5uy_mrw4Vs5fD-Xcj3QezF8yjUovpe7HCJt6s&index=1etc. There's a few more. Medtner just isn't that widely recorded.
>>131617815The singing here is really impressive! Not to mention the wonderful orchestral playing.
Why yes, I've listened to every opera in the standard repertoire, and then some, without reading a single libretto or watching a single performance ;^)The description of opera might as well be "a form of classical music where they sing a fictional language to orchestral playing for the purposes of pleasing, melodic absolute music"
It begins. All modern "composers" will starve.Good.https://x.com/XiaomiTech_/status/2102352208947798316
>>131627009>Good.Fuck you.Death to all STEMcels!Why is it that so much of 4chan is vehemently anti-artist? It's embarrassing.
>>131627021>modern "composers">artistsMore like FARTists.
>>131627049I'm sure they said the same of Beethoven and Chopin. Art is the highest achievement of mankind. Artists are the messengers of God.
>>131627078>I'm sure they said the same of Beethoven and Chopin>equating Beethoven to modern fartist twelve tone nincompoopsI hope the robots process you first.
>>131627107I'll give you one more reply: even if we grant the contemporary arts are not in a great place right now and its artists are not worthwhile, it's no reason to think it cannot become great once again, and instead to wish for an end to the entire endeavor and bring about its end.
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqifdd7r-jE&list=OLAK5uy_lZYb_gUoxTc7wCxaAHPpBCjixPkO7wKvs&index=1
>>131625047I like the first one a lot too.
>>131627009Personally I can't wait for someone to build an AI to clean old recordings. Hisssisters would love it.
>>131617815>>131626875It was pretty good. I'd enjoyed it more with subtitles (or video) but for a live broadcast sound quality was great.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCSmPLAfnvQ&list=OLAK5uy_kq0IuqtytO7D1PDyaIKn5YBDRkphr-0es&index=4
So what's the verdict on this set? We all agree it's good, right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZddETjGMYSs&list=OLAK5uy_l1UkcIXZLc4bHoGpbKmLu-x2G6PEtEQsE&index=7
Any good hiss options for Schumann symphony cycles? It seems this is one of those cases where it's unanimous that virtually all of the good sets, and certainly all of the best ones, came out in the stereo era. I did some searching around and the seems the closest things to options are Klemperer, Konwitschney, and Szell (I was surprised to see this was recorded between 1958-1960). Furtwangler seems to have recorded only 1 & 4. That's it?https://youtu.be/4AMFlDhn704?list=OLAK5uy_lJO7sTqUlcm6p6MwYokp1RlqXaKkK7ppA&t=85
>>131629356Wrong. All the good ones are pre stereo, as always.https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=evQzflyhmmU
>>131629511That's certainly neat.
Speaking of Schumann sets, I came upon this one the other day and it's really good. Recordings by this conductor, Robin Ticciati, always impress me. Maybe as he ages he'll become one of the great conductors of our time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSO0tK6U9x8&list=OLAK5uy_kicenjCkLii1s4rDi43plXrKxCvgD_vuc&index=1>With complete sets from Simon Rattle and from Yannick Nezet-Seguin, this is turning out to be quite the year for Schumann symphonies. However, this new set from Robin Ticciati and the Scottish Chamber Orchestra elbows those two aside and takes its place towards the very top of the list of recommendations for these works, in this year or in any other. ---- Simon Thompson, MusicWeb
I feel like schubert... i have no luck with women. But I have written pieces dedicated to them.
>>131628091>AI that perfectly cleans hiss and turns mono into stereocan you imagine
>>131626380Oh, okay then. So you have absolutely no counterargument. Fair enough. In that case, unlike you, I'm medically diagnosing you.
I'm almost done with the Schnabel Beethoven piano sonatas cycle is I wanna say two things,1) I haven't loved every second but it's been an intriguing listen, especially with the tempo changes, the technique, the unique interpretation. Definitely one-of-one.2) Now I know just how ridiculous and inconsiderate it is to recommend this cycle to people listening to Beethoven's piano sonatas for the first time. Just utterly disrespectful. The purpose of recommendations to newbies is to get them to like and click with the music, not discourage them with a cycle they most likely won't enjoy just so you can call them idiots when they understandably react "hmm, well this isn't for me" because they jumped into a set with awful sound quality and piano technique almost a hundred years out-of-date and therefore awkward to modern ears.The Hammerklavier just started. Should be fun.
What's the verdict on this new Dvorak 9?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_1E2dzBYfw&list=OLAK5uy_kar8TQM7vTJpz1_l9jCnoSu5S0X-Bw3WY&index=1
>>131629022Yes, it's good. Haters are gonna hate no matter how good it is (like both GV sets).
>>131629022No, it's bad. Lovers are gonna love no matter how bad it is (like both GV sets).
>>131626979based
>>131631038>piano technique almost a hundred years out-of-date and therefore awkward to modern yearsYou can just as easily say Beethoven's composition technique is more than a hundred years out of date and therefore awkward to modern ears.
>>131632430That'd be valid if modern pianists didn't still play Beethoven. They don't still play like Schnabel, nor release new sets with that poor of audio quality.
>>131632463Modern composers don't compose like Beethoven either, that's going to have a much larger effect on someone's ears. Audio quality aside, the point is that this is a silly point. A newfag isn't going to have a discerning ear for piano technique and that's the reason to not recommend them a more unique cycle as a first time. Not because it's old.
>>131632509I don't know, I think the technique sounds weird to anyone who's ever heard modern piano playing of any kind. But you're right, I might be overstating it, and perhaps the audio quality is just coloring my perception, so I'll concede and drop the point. I still hold the original case though, it's connoisseur malpractice to recommend the cycle to a newbie.
now playingstart of Schumann: Fantasie in C, Op. 17https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl1gaY2H29g&list=OLAK5uy_mcIxbeLO6lnM_33ITe5ChvxeFtVxUNsOM&index=2start of Schumann: Kinderszenen, Op. 15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XudqkRu24YM&list=OLAK5uy_mcIxbeLO6lnM_33ITe5ChvxeFtVxUNsOM&index=5start of Schubert: Wanderer Fantasie Opus 15 D760https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6tss_zC_qw&list=OLAK5uy_mcIxbeLO6lnM_33ITe5ChvxeFtVxUNsOM&index=17https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mcIxbeLO6lnM_33ITe5ChvxeFtVxUNsOMThis might be my first time listening to a solo piano Curzon recording. Every other time was with an orchestra or chamber ensemble.
>>131632293Cringe.
>>131632267Cringe.
>>131631038I don't even have strong opinions on Schnabel but your whole idea of presupposing the tastes and personality of a imaginary newbie who would be put off by a serious recommendation is repulsive to me, especially combined with the accusation that anyone who takes a new listener seriously enough to recommend what they actually believe is the best recording is simply being inconsiderate and disrespectful unless they concede to said presupposed idea of taste.
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>>131633017It's undeniable poor audio quality makes something harder to enjoy, and when it comes to the newbie, you want to give them the best chance with something accessible.
>>131633098It is much more disrespectful to presume this about an imagined newbie than to simply address them in a serious manner with an honest recommendation of the recording you believe speaks best for the work.
>>131633123When it comes to giving recommendations on where to start with something, it's best to aim for the average. Sure, it's possible any given newbie could not care about poor sound quality at all and end up loving Schnabel and therefore Beethoven on first listen, but a newbie on average? If you don't think it matters, you're just being obtuse about it. It'd be like recommending someone a black&white silent film to get them into serious movies; you start with something modern with the amenities of modern production and narrative design, and then you suggest the compromised stuff later once they've fallen in love.
>>131633166I'm not being obtuse. I think it's completely disrespectful to do either of those things. You have no idea of the background or character of any person who asks for recommendations in this thread unless they offer it or provide their own parameters and it is patronising to presume that they couldn't handle a silent movie or a hissy recording. I would never want anyone to 'aim for the average' with me rather than being straight.
Why not split the difference and recommend two recordings: one that is you personally think is the best, and one that is a consensus pick among critics?
