Malcolm Arnold editionhttps://youtu.be/21ci-mSDAtYThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131633049
>>131664603>Malcolm Arnold editionholy basedRemember anons, he has nine(![3x3{4+5}]) symphonies, aka he's another composer with plenty of symphonic vision to explore, like Mahler or Bruckner or Beethoven.
>>131664663Askers?
>>131664715...hmm?
>>131662117There's less than 5 good ones. Why would I have 40+>>131662244>sometimes I want to hear Bernstein / Rattle in BrahmsEw
>>131664888*teleports behind you*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5dbcVUlgxo&list=OLAK5uy_nBcfyXMgmx18ubPSWTjOdGcrXnCYQ0NR0&index=11
>>131665226BSO playing Mahler 7 live in about 20 minutes. Currently playing Gubaidulina's last work - Prolog.https://www.classicalwcrb.org/show/the-boston-symphony-orchestra/2026-09-08/nelsons-theboston-symphony-orchestra-and-mahlers-seventh
>>131665299world premiere :olistening! thanks
>>131665299>>131665312I'm so confused, that was just them talking about it for ten minutes, not the stream of the performance itself.
>>131665408Click on the play button at the top of the page, that's the livestream. Although it's intermission now.
>>131665452Oh I had to change the stream source first on the right as well.
Good, I missed you guys.
>>131665529Feels like it's been years.>>131665299Listened to it yesterday and for me it was 1=5>4>3=2. The closer a movement is to a march (war, funeral) the better Nelsons conducts it.
Meistersinger eveninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqm24fymaHQ&list=OLAK5uy_kxOCUq9j-rfm06TZBWB4LSJWE5l9i1rbo&index=1
jeez, I thought going through a survey of recordings of Liszt's Sonata in B minor was daunting, it just crossed my mind to do something similar for Schumann's Fantasie in C, Op. 17, and there genuinely might be three times as many recordings of it than the Liszt sonata lol
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qzl7pUCwVU&list=OLAK5uy_kt-yfd9bxKjmI3V9kNwyzS3cv7O3Ubt24&index=7
>>1316646032pac and his dad.
>>1316674292pacs biological parents around 1970. Both were members of the New York Black Panther Party and political activists.
>>131667451These were radical, extreme, Black liberals. If it weren’t for them and this generation Black people would still be getting slapped around, hung and spit on.
>>131667429>>131667451>>131667468not sure what this has to do with /classical/, try posting on >>>/mu/?
Does anyone know of any other interpretation of Chopin's Op 48 No. 1 that plays the doppio as fast and forceful as Lisiecki here? I've listened to his Nocturnes album but it's more restrained. I don't know how "accurate" it is but I interpret it as being what Chopin "meant" when he composed ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfQTjNG8t_E
>>131668378If you want it with this kind of shitty phrasing I don't have anything to offer. Otherwise, Koczalski has the best 48/1:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-VgyjLS3ok
>>131668378These ones comes closehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX7OQlKSe6E&list=OLAK5uy_k0C7CcxrnjGIi5-ESXqwfKO5A4ZxSz6As&index=13https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kNtp4iio90&list=OLAK5uy_mk0S3FG_6TNDSlVFeIRbb1Ms86fsL5H9g&index=13https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mal1rn9UZzA&list=OLAK5uy_l56ekZ1o8S2X-c-DWhYV4xMNE0vVNzJdM&index=10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JA6-nnLRAo&list=OLAK5uy_khyglqvut10o4ZF-Df_Sb-xZqABRg672Q&index=39If not, I can keep looking
>>131668405*restrains you and forces you to listen to thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-tGUpF18ew&list=OLAK5uy_n6_aqrxQiTqvw9gCHeLhBO786COopcZ3I&index=1
>If you only heard the first cd of this 5 cd set of 17 sonatas, you'd never suspect that these discs were made from back-up cassette copies of informal tapes Gulda made for personal reference as part of a continuing study of these works. The sound is very good. The other cd's, however, make the archival status of the recordings apparent. Various sonatas have varying degrees of distortion. One is mono. For those discs turning on my white noise machine in the background made listening more enjoyable.looooool
>>131668465This is absolutely terrible. I don't know why you'd even consider I could ever like this hipster hack.
>>131668494...like? Why do you think I restrained you? It was a torture device.
>>131668494Have you tried using a white noise machine in the background while you listen to recordings made after the 50s? Might help your enjoyment.
>>131668499As I said, I'd rather die than listen him ruin my precious 62/2. 48/1 was enough, now let me GO you freak.
Randomly browsing recordings on Amazon and came across this boxset titled "Complete 1950s Chopin Recordings" featuring seven CDs of performances of a pianist named Stefan Askenase. I've never heard of this guy, anyone familiar?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evrQi-DeIOw&list=OLAK5uy_meuK2xqDH1ynHBHK_Ey2ovKX7HUzv4Ei8&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR9Vd44Xh4I&list=OLAK5uy_meuK2xqDH1ynHBHK_Ey2ovKX7HUzv4Ei8&index=20>>131668504try this one and lemme know what you thinkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyGBMFYf7bY&list=OLAK5uy_meuK2xqDH1ynHBHK_Ey2ovKX7HUzv4Ei8&index=48
>>131668561Refreshing after P*gorlerich, but still very bad. Super vertical, even turns, runs are mechanical, like someone practicing with a metronome. Rubato is very random, there's no shred of bel canto phrasing in it. Left hand is somstimes played like it's Bach on harpsichord.
>>131668378People actually enjoy his 48/1? Might be the worst interpretation for me.
>>131668596Ah, well thanks for peepin'. I was surprised to come across a beefy boxset (it has both sonatas, plenty of waltzes, full nocturnes, full preludes, full polonaises, both piano concertos, and others, sadly only the third ballade) from an older pianist I hadn't heard of before. Always fun to discover something new, even if it's old!
>makes Mozart's piano sonatas actually enjoyablehow does he do it? Gulda is a genius. No but seriously, I threw this on on a whim and I'm surprised by how much I love it, and I usually can't stand to even listen to Mozart's piano sonatas anymore.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPLpNn7pp9U&list=OLAK5uy_lHSOJ0rUDXgmmFHLFzhS9E2_BwyZ-4VFE&index=20Contains the classic Gulda sense of joy and playful experimentation.
I like this Goldberg Variations. This is the one I like the most. Which do you like and why?
>>131668628Oh man, I could go forever recommending GV sets I love. The list has expanded beyond image, I should update it. Perahia's is indeed one of the best.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrOHco0em4&list=OLAK5uy_lDPSgCjgjxFJ7xfZmSbpOfdx3cqaqGr54&index=1If you're looking for new sets to try, you might find this article useful,https://theclassicreview.com/best-of/bach-goldberg-variations-the-best-recordings-part-3-piano-versions/
>>131668628Ya that one is good for Piano. I usually listen to that one or spoiler/gould81/spoiler. But I mostly listen to harpsichord now.
>>131668706"…hand on heart, can you listen to a harpsichord for that long?”---- Andras Schiff
Gould plays Mozart like he hates the music.
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqsiVouJUTM
>>131668643>>131668706Jean Rondeau (think that's how you spell it) has a special one on harpsichord, however I usually find harpsichord a bit tiring to listen too. First 5 minutes is always magical though. Klara Wurtz has a nice rendition of Mozart sonatas which was glorious the first time I heard it. Although >>131668626may find it too measured. Maybe I should check out her Goldberg but I really am a creature of habit I suppose
>>131668735The harpsichord must be partially drowned out by an orchestra and played furiously at the fastest of conceivable tempos under these circumstances I can listen and might even get some cleaning done. (recommendations welcome !)
>>131668773>but I really am a creature of habit I supposeNothing wrong with that, to each their own. Sometimes I wish I was more like you guys who know every inch, note, and breath of an individual recording, one you've replayed so many times if you owned it on vinyl it would have worn down and you'd have had to replace it by now. I find hearing a piece performed slightly differently each time keeps it fresh, and that's before getting into the enjoyment that comes with exploring a new interpretation ("how's this conductor/musician gonna handle it? how does it change the piece?"), but again, that's me.Anyway, if I can only get you to try one new GV set, try this Dershavina one,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miUxzEbKDBQ&list=OLAK5uy_lrxSOce_2wQm9SPm6DyU9rO86vhzf8_DI&index=1This is the set they listen to in heaven (on most days).
>>131668628Might be a boring answer but I like Schiff '03. I also enjoy Nikolayeva's '92 recording and her live versions, even if they maybe aren't perfect technically. My guilty pleasure is Gould's '56, that very fast, impatient one.
>>131668790I did listen to the Aria and first variation and it is remarkable. I will remain steadfast with my Perahia but I think Dershavina's seems maybe more beautiful. It is interesting how such subtle variations on the variations can cause such big variations in the variations on the variations etc
>>131668735I can certainly listen to a harpsichord longer than Schiff's dogshit pianism.
>>131668735>>131668773>>131668783This guy has the peak harpsichord tone. His GV (version 1) is amazing too.
>>131669141*teleports behind you*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVPlGzHvO4&list=OLAK5uy_mdPriQmCvpAMEo3IRgkiAtx7VApGX2ZP0&index=23
now playingstart of Chopin: 24 Preludes, Op. 28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3EhB8oFQsQ&list=OLAK5uy_maHYUeCrDH5C3dntSQ-aBHvXTzmAXXRQU&index=2Chopin: Polonaise No. 6 in A-Flat Major, Op. 53 "Heroic"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT6WbPaREDw&list=OLAK5uy_maHYUeCrDH5C3dntSQ-aBHvXTzmAXXRQU&index=26start of Schumann: Davidsbündlertänze, Op. 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjPD2n7wl-Y&list=OLAK5uy_maHYUeCrDH5C3dntSQ-aBHvXTzmAXXRQU&index=26https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_maHYUeCrDH5C3dntSQ-aBHvXTzmAXXRQU>Anda’s Chopin Preludes penetrate through decades of accumulated interpretive sentiment and reveal the music’s deep-rooted classical logic via brisk tempos, polyphonic astuteness, and fastidious ornaments played on rather than before the beat (few pianists do this). --- Jed Distler
The thing that astonishes me most about Chopin's Preludes is the opening piece is so brilliant, it always feels like it only lasts for like ten seconds, lol. You start the work and you hear those familiar notes and before you know it you're onto the second piece and you're like "what wait? that wasn't 30-40 seconds"
do I want to listen to Wagner's Die Walkure today? or I could use those four hours to listen to four-to-eight other works by other composers. hmm, decisions...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHWZCORNJCg&list=OLAK5uy_k3VqiRYmotV4IRT5ghQrMWjv6tLkfuneI&index=2
https://voca.ro/17ofLOuVFi6J
>>131670223https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi05EG6sTVQ
>>131670248ty
Listen to Josquin and Friends, this is your daily Franco-Flemish posthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mcxEtyEUw4&list=RD6mcxEtyEUw4&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAelMkkyXak&list=RDFAelMkkyXak&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hrOGpa8Xzs&list=RD3hrOGpa8Xzs&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zxnFVWZVcE&list=RD_zxnFVWZVcE&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzfchVhgDT4&list=RDrzfchVhgDT4&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlig0FMSjUk&list=RDVlig0FMSjUk&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A87M7xkmNBA&list=RDA87M7xkmNBA&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMpdQycz9g8&list=RDkMpdQycz9g8&start_radio=1
>>131664603Patricia Kopatchinskaja - Exile. Quite a good album.https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n8si4zpyL8a8lddkFgemhmjk2HiRHKvOIhttps://open.spotify.com/album/2swEDITU1HBR6RrK4rTwcf
>>131668790> I find hearing a piece performed slightly differently each time keeps it fresh, and that's before getting into the enjoyment that comes with exploring a new interpretation ("how's this conductor/musician gonna handle it? how does it change the piece?").Same. Sure, I have favorite recordings and would sometimes return to them, but an inherent lack of one canonical version is what makes classical music attractive to me. Even pieces which are quite familiar to me can reveal something new about them with a new interpretation. Although if I at first don't like a piece, and after a few tries find a recording of it I like, I'm usually more attached to it, compared to the case where I immediately like the piece - then I can suffer through quite a number of takes I dislike.We need more pieces like Bach's Cello Suites where performers are encouraged to make a lot of the decisions. Or change the culture of competitions where not toeing the line === instant loss. Future soloists are essentially trained to keep it as safe as possible, and that does not disappear afterwards.
>>131668769Based Liszt appreciator
>>131668378>>131668405these both effectively sound the fucking same (read: gay as fuck like all Chopin)
>>131668626the reason most people dislike Mozart's piano sonatas (or at least don't like them as much as his other pieces) is that most performers are fucking retarded and have this pre-conceived notion of Mozart's piano music being "pretty" and thus double down and play into this notion ignoring his actual dynamic markings.seriously, just check the score for K. 331 mov. I and tell me who actually follows its dynamics properly.
https://youtu.be/zArUrVlyQrI
>>131671695Didn't ask.
>>131671716Since that clip uses a recording made on a modern grand, I looked whether there was a recording of the art of fugue on a fortepiano and lo and behold, there actually is!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdDphZ8Kw1k&list=PLwdwMctQe018CRhUv-gEBfNOjLJdl8xRA
>>131671718if you are not willing to hear about the subject at hand from others regardless of habing asked or not, you should simply never interact with other people
>>131671695The reason is that as student pieces, they were never meant for performance and thus have smaller musical scope and scale.
tchaikovsky 4 5 6 day
>>131671813the vast majority of his piano sonatas are not student pieces, where did you learn that misinformation?
>>131671813this is just wrong. 8 doesn't even remotely sound like it was composed as a student piece
>>131670248https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkbDcXlrAY0
>>131671813actually his piano sonatas were among the few works published in his lifetime. they weren't written for students, but for amateurs to play at home
Mozart's sonatas were rendered useless by Beethoven's middle-lates.Beethoven's sonatas were rendered useless by Schubert's lates.Schubert's sonatas were rendered useless by Chopin's 3rd.Human achievement concluded in 1844.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skEZnUIbZgA
>>131672853here comes Unfunny General Mascot #827
>>131672853here comes Truthful General Mascot #481
>>131672853Every word demonstrably true.
Damn Szynamnowski is good; I was watching a video and it played a excerpt of one of his pieces and I thought it was a Scriabin excerpt
>>131673804He's better than Scriabin but no one will tell you this.
>>131664603Perfect Sunday evening to listen to Bach Cello Suites. Decided to go with Yo-Yo Ma 97 recording.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vawqt4-s7JU&list=OLAK5uy_k_CuS2kvwc6EQpznn-N2Vh6IkRZuDDWtg&index=2https://bachcellosuites.co.uk/bach-cello-suites-home/list-of-reviews/yo-yo-ma-1997/
>>131674084One of the best all-time sets. Continues to sell even to this day. It just sounds so good. Pure pleasure.
did you guys peep?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmU0pK3pLk0&list=OLAK5uy_lmJi4JdtWJ9L2HtqwWk8Lg9zFBtUoJWNA&index=5review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/double-review-brahms-late-solo-piano-works-andras-schiff-anna-fedorova/don't worry, it's much better than the new Schiff Brahms set. Shame Fedorova didn't also record Op. 116 but once you listen to her recording, it becomes evident way: she goes all-in on the dreamy, tranquil part of the music with a delicate, feminine approach, and Op. 116 is easily the most excitable, even masculine of these late piano works, so it'd conflict with the mood she's going for. So I get it.
Howard Hanson nighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wc8oMZQ5tE&list=OLAK5uy_nFI4ecNeh2p4r8XbvS6FlKU_HEiecb6tM&index=1
>>131672951"guys look I copy pasted the previous post but changed the words look guys I am a constant net-negative to human life by choosing not to kill myself"
>Rachmaninoff has two (2) more piano concertos
This is a joke....right?
https://youtu.be/e9z-QLWEfJg
>>131675652and they're both pretty good!
>>131675900lol I got that rec too. thought about posting it here
It's probably just because they're fresher and less familiar to me, but I'm starting to enjoy Malcolm Arnold's symphonies more than Vaughan Williams'.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6tHW65ye94&list=OLAK5uy_nB8xlbbhjO235RKdRSIj9dl46VDDHam40&index=4
And the search for a satisfactory recording of Tchaikovsky's second piano concerto continues...
>>131677300Zhukov's is the only great one.
>>131677348I just added Glemser/Wit to try tomorrow. Could be promising. Glemser's Prokofiev and Scriabin is very good, and Wit is generally fine.
now playingBerg: Piano Sonata in B Minor, Op. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE6DwPVQeDc&list=OLAK5uy_kRt1V9BoHqCRLmKhy3nOjV2ozfYKtkuTs&index=2start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 21 in B-Flat Major, D. 960https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhtLj1DxUZs&list=OLAK5uy_kRt1V9BoHqCRLmKhy3nOjV2ozfYKtkuTs&index=2https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kRt1V9BoHqCRLmKhy3nOjV2ozfYKtkuTs>Fazil Say brings together two, highly contrasted Viennese piano sonatas, composed at either end of the Romantic era. Conceived on an epic scale in four movements, Schubert's Sonata in B flat major was written shortly before his death in 1828, while in 1909 Alban Berg ushered in Modernism with his opus 1, the compact, haunting Piano Sonata in B minor. "Schubert was only thirty when he died," writes Fazil Say. "There is unique depth of sorrow and melancholy here, the pain of parting from this world. At the same time, we feel Schubert's joy of life, his vitality, his attachment, his passion, even his defiance." While the Schubert sonata is a recent addition to Say's repertoire, he explains that "I first encountered Alban Berg's piano sonata at the age of 15, and I performed it as a student in Ankara... he became one of the main figures who opened the door for me to contemporary music... His opus 1, while anchored in B minor, sails boldly toward atonality and modern expression... The piano is used almost orchestrally, full of colour and intensity. It is a remarkably beautiful piece."
>>131675900dass rite cracka
>creates browser extension that provides white noise backing to every music track streamed>unites the anons of /classical/all in a day's work
>>131673818He's very good, but he ever developed a voice as singular or unmistakably his own as Scriabin did, and he's certainly not better than Scriabin.
>>131677703Scriabin is just temu Chopin. And what's actually him in his music is not in any shape or form "better" than Szymanowski's mastery of the counterpoint. He is the true heir of Linearity, true heir of Bach and Chopin.
>>131677572>streamingYou guys dont just download everything on soulseek and then look up the recordings on youtube if you wanna share it?
>>131672770>but for amateurs to play at homein the late 18th century?
>>131678854you think people were buying sheet music to frame it and hang it on their walls?
>>131678931i don't think people were buying & housing pianos unless they were stonking rich
>>131678937yeah, so? they were still amateurs who bought sheet music and played at home. what's your point?
>Beethoven >Schubert >ChopinWhy are all the greatest incels?
>>131678962chopin was fucking a bloke called george sand, can you believe it!!
>>131678962Genius requires the peace of mind.
>>131678976>Fucking a trannyWagner was right about him
>>131678976>>131679027George Sand was "her" pen name. As in his penis name.
>>131679032you don't say!!
>>131668628Nikolayeva can't be beat>>131678091true, early Scriabin is pretty much just cheap imitation of ChopinBrahms' chamber music is second only to Mozart!
Violin concertos > piano concertosViolin virtuosity is just cooler
>>131678091>Scriabin is just le ChopinIs the most midwit, lazy take. There are things Scriabin does, already in his early period, that are completely different and alien to Chopin's music. You clearly don't know enough about either composer if you unironically make such a stupid, pointlessly oversimplified, and frankly false statement.
There's literally no reason to listen to any music written after the year 1600
>>131679898then don't!!
>>131679898Nobody is forcing you, anon.
>>131679832Correct. The comparison is lazy and based on surface-level "analysis", i.e. glancing at the two composers' respective catalogues or passive listening. Usually, it amounts to noticing that both wrote Romantic music in the form of preludes, etudes, mazurkas, nocturnes and sonatas, and leaving it at that. In reality, Scriabin is already in a completely different universe in his youth. It's actually a pretty useful litmus test for whether someone has any knowledge of music theory, history and aesthetics, and a developed ear, or is just a self-reporting dilettante attempting to waste your time.
>>131679898can i keep my victoria requiem, my orfeo and my sweelinck cantiones sacrae at least??
>>131678835Streaming is just too convenient. Plus the current PC I use has a tiny hard drive (~200GB total!)
Always nice to discover new solo piano music. This time it's Vierne's Preludes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F8Yr-8Ef8Y&list=OLAK5uy_kP9o-NY7fTU0xXglW1nQgvxFL1hllOx7M&index=1one community reviewer writes,>Louis Vierne (1870-1937) should be known to anyone who likes impassioned and weighty French late Romanticism. In other words, he takes after Franck, Lekeu, and Dupont in terms of heightened emotional expression and late Romantic chromaticism. There’s really not a bad work from his pen. His stormy Piano Quintet and Cello Sonata are exemplary specimens of the genres and the quality of his organ music has kept his music in the standard repertoire for organists at least. Vierne’s life was marked by turmoil and frustration. He struggled with near blindness; his professional and personal life were freighted with disappointment; he lost family members to WWI, and suffered from depression. All of this bitterness is intensely echoed in his music, which conveys a direct rawness of emotion, mainly tension and grief.sounds great!
I've finally achieved a new level of intuitive understanding of classical music. You know how once you begin to grasp and become comfortable with something, it seems to slow down, and you're able to perceive all the elements and analyze it in real-time? Ever since a couple days ago, it's happened for me with classical music. It only took a few years of listening almost daily! Every piece I'm listening to, it's nearly like listening to them for the first time again. I'm noticing musical details, structural elements, and melodic interplay I never noticed before because music keeps on going at a steady pace without letting you stop and think about it, and now I'm able to hear it as it happens. Not saying I'm an expert, still far from it, but no longer a total outcast, which is especially nice for someone who didn't grow up listening to classical.
>>131679722The violin also has much greater expressive potential and a natural propensity for being a prima donna, the kind of instrument that would say "there may be 20 more of my kind playing behing me right now, but I am the only one you should be paying attention to!"
>>131678962the real greatest (Bach Haydn and Mozart) were not incels
continuing to go through Arrau's cycle of Beethoven's piano sonatasNo. 6 in F Major, Op. 10 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plw-etiP2QA&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=21No. 7 in D, Op. 10 No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ8GtkPvJ08&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=24No. 8 in C Minor, Op. 13 "Pathétique"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeRrJgw8ZgE&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=27
>>131680091I guess i just got too much space than what I know what to do with. About a terabyte of FLACs on the drive i use for listening
>>131680907>Haydn
https://vimeo.com/328673972>for harpsichord, electronics and video
>mfw Gershwin's An American in Paris (performed by Leonard Bernstein and the New York Philharmonic)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQzNjsI18yY&list=OLAK5uy_mcyZgSehtzwUQnUcpqA8UJrf3ioD7OAiU&index=2
Daily reminder that Karajan couldn't even get the initial rhythm of the finale of Bruckner's 8th symphony rightDaily reminder that Karajan adopted some of the most tasteless inauthentic instrumentation retouches in Bruckner, including the cheesy violin octave doubling during the 4th's first movement's first tuttiDaily reminder that Karajan frequently ignored Bruckner's articulation markings, including the essential differentiation between tenuto and non-tenuto phrasing in the brass, depriving the music of its rhythmic flow
>>131681802I was always more of a bohm dude
>>131679832>>131679958Spare us of your crybaby essays that say nothing of value but stretch up your mother's arse, musically illiterate scriabincels.
>>131678962Scriabin had more sex than every /mu/poster combined
>>131682169>every /mu/posterSo higher than 0?
>>131682376well there's me.
>>131682516wow that's crazy. replying to signal boost this. hey guys just so everyone knows, this person has had sex
new>>131682616>>131682616
>>131679958Here's one. >>131682142
now playingstart of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 13 in B-Flat Major, Op. 130https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV2kiEE2NzI&list=OLAK5uy_lAGOYAu2Cv-QbjP4Gf-e2Pl_jx6HzjADo&index=57start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 15 in A Minor, Op. 132 "Heiliger Dankgesang"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRPkThoXlb0&list=OLAK5uy_lAGOYAu2Cv-QbjP4Gf-e2Pl_jx6HzjADo&index=64start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 16 in F Major, Op. 135https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIoqOdQlPyM&list=OLAK5uy_lAGOYAu2Cv-QbjP4Gf-e2Pl_jx6HzjADo&index=68https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lAGOYAu2Cv-QbjP4Gf-e2Pl_jx6HzjADo
>>131683020musically illiterate seething scriabincel
>>131683020Sounds incandescently angry. Maybe they'd feel better if they listened to life-affirming music.Scriabin (version for hissfags)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NKa-hNQm-Q
>>131681802I don't care about any of that, because it sounds good to me.
>mfw Beethoven 32https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtrpLLFC-ts&list=OLAK5uy_lyqkGB8_dhl2HcUabJ8R8C5ec-uus0cCk&index=14
Listening to Chopin's 1st scherzo is like watching the most intense thriller movie, or better yet, experiencing the thrill and adrenaline all by yourself by jumping off a cliff, if you get what I mean. It's hard to describe the feeling, but it's like the intensity of Appassionata's coda, on steroids, all the way through. Can make you angry and joyful both at the same time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I0z8WYHVeAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GKQztuU3LI
>>131683428Oh and Sofronitsky has such an exhilarating coda, damn.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDs9oXn3Gv0
>>131683191barenboim's playing of this is truly beautiful
>>131683428Beatrice Rana for the non-hiss sistershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtZreCiYW74&list=OLAK5uy_nyyu5j2if59HQUYczBEszwgLSQ1XjN4rM&index=13
>>131683679tru
30 > 32
>>131683707Would you say it's more like roller coaster or drop ride?>>131683774True.
>>131683679>boringboim
>>131683774>>131683845>>131683867hate to embarrass you in front of all your friends but peep,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sbLBMHJ3-c&list=OLAK5uy_mkFeou6ujBvONbc826eosq4izXqAG1L1k&index=95
now playingstart of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 3 in B Minor, Op. 58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdCpxJRxF3o&list=OLAK5uy_mDn2RzvdiS7HW0V0Q4Fb6RVnUbptM1qFM&index=2start of Chopin: Four Balladeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPt9jo4P_GU&list=OLAK5uy_mDn2RzvdiS7HW0V0Q4Fb6RVnUbptM1qFM&index=6start of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 35 "Funeral March"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YfupndIKNw&list=OLAK5uy_mDn2RzvdiS7HW0V0Q4Fb6RVnUbptM1qFM&index=10start of Chopin: Four Scherzihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygfaZKzbIBc&list=OLAK5uy_mDn2RzvdiS7HW0V0Q4Fb6RVnUbptM1qFM&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDn2RzvdiS7HW0V0Q4Fb6RVnUbptM1qFM>The name Cécile Ousset may not be on the tip of pianophiles’ tongues when it comes to recommending modern-day Chopin recordings. Yet her excellent 1986/87 recordings of the Second and Third sonatas (complete with exposition repeats), the four Scherzos, and the four Ballades are not only worth owning but also add up to an amazing bargain via EMI’s two-for-one Gemini series. Her assertive, forward-moving pianism lacks nothing in the way of color, narrative flow, and scintillation. Perhaps you’ll miss Argerich’s high-octane momentum in the Third Sonata, but on the other hand you won’t get the fussy, superfluous rubatos that marr Ashkenazy’s mid-1970s recording. The Ballades and Scherzos are also world-class in every respect, although the Fourth Scherzo is represented by lighter, suppler accounts from Richter and Ashkenazy, and the Fourth Ballade’s opening pages yield more mystery in the hands of Arrau, Moravec, and Horowitz. In all, Ousset’s solid artistry, together with EMI’s superb sound and budget price, add up to a bargain for Chopin lovers. ---- Jed Distler, ClassicsToday, Rating: 9; 9
quick reminder that Karajan's Eroica is the best Eroica and all you faggots can keep seething about him i dont care
>>131683845I could see rollercoaster, with the stop and go's. But I see it as more like frolicking in the fields, alternating between moments of calm sightseeing and giving chase in games of tag.
>>131683957>Perhaps you'll miss Argerich's high-octane momentum And why would I miss that
>>131684027cool story bro
>>131684265A lot of people like that. If you don't, then the statement was not>>>For you.
>>131684027It's up there. What about this one?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvgA4LHvdbM&list=OLAK5uy_n-jO5APIL_q9quwfY7tAEEkDnD4KI0MPA&index=5
>>131684981>up thereIn the trash heap, maybe. Bernstein's is even worse, though.
>>131684996https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUtw03MFquc&list=OLAK5uy_nZfQjEIPDHerBohyKdr2BT4r5UXpl7Fbs&index=5
Is Brahms better than Beethoven?>his fourth symphony is better than all Beethoven symphonies>he is the best chamber music composer of all time>his opuses 116, 117, 118 and 119 are better than Beethoven's piano sonatas>he never composed a bad opera, unlike Beethoven
>>131685479Relative to any other competition, it's close, but no. I mean c'mon, 32 masterpiece piano sonatas (with, what, 8 transcendent ones?). 16 masterpiece string quartets (with 5 transcendent ones). the Ghost and Archduke piano trios btfos Brahms' piano trios and piano quartets, as much as I love those. Everything else I'd be happy to call a wash but yeah, there's no getting around the 32 and 16. And when it comes to the symphonies, I'm biased because I really, really love Brahms first two symphonies, when if I'm being honest, once you call it even on Brahms' 3rd and 4th with Beethoven's 9th and 3rd, the latter's 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th btfo Brahms' 1st and 2nd.
>>131685479yeah
>>131685479no
Today I discovered Alexei Stanchinskyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAmAfCmxoZI
>>131685479I love Brahms deeply, but he didn't leave enough material to dislodge Beethoven. He made up for that slightly by elevating Dvorak, but still....I'd happily burn all of Wagner for another Brahms symphony.
>>131685547>32 masterpiece piano sonatasOpinion diacarded.>>131685479Yes.
your opinions are all so unacceptably uninformed as to make a mockery of the very topic of music
Wagner sucks cock.
>>131686445and I discovered a piece of dog shit during an afternoon walk. that doesn't mean I have to share it with everyone else.
Calling all scriabinbros. I need to know who's the performer of the recording of these videos.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUcfUsPXIFshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZSd20rPRds
>>131689576kill yourself immediately.
>>131689616meant for >>131689148
lmao wth is this pic
>>131684027the first and second movements are objectively too slow with Karajan. Compare the restrained, violin-dominated playing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbGV-MVfgec#t=3m50swith this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOjSVtxnzPQ#t=5m50sKeep in mind, the entire orchestra is marked fortissimo during this passage. If you think Karajan's brass playing is fortissimo, you are delusional. It's a much larger brass section playing at a much quieter volume.Karajan's Beethoven is boring and not at all in the spirit of Beethoven>>131684981horrible>>131685012horrible>>131685479no
>>131689576Ashkenazy
my favorite genre of youtube video is "classical music with painting in the background"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRmCEGHt-Qkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_LwlEmmEtMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Go1ah3Vdshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDtAwXZkdU0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uktj2MYSsaU
>>131689891basedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aLHQwXIxGM
>>131689891https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2_LDC-WQQ0
>>131689711Lol
>>131689843I compared them and Ashkenazy isn't the performer
>>131689711what's so funny about John Howard?
>>131689576I hope it helpshttps://rateyourmusic.com/work/piano_sonata_no__8
Lenny's Dvorak. Dramatic and exciting, but there are a couple phrases he just rushes through.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HottsuV-lkc&list=OLAK5uy_kE2nUJWiQY4a4W-OeNl0PKnpp5NWZoKZI
>>131690942I love it. Same with his 7th and 8th.
>>131690073Well shit, you're right.
Franck.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiIN3EMi1T4&list=OLAK5uy_naeQkqWJSXyrrmuqEKh_tNaq0ehfJUDao
Has anyone here ever listened to Rudolf Laubenthal? His voice sounds exactly identical to Lauritz Melchior.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_tV-AZxvIcIt's kind of shocking, they have the same range and same timbre changes throughout their registers. The same metallic squillo on the high notes, the same full-bodied dark heft in the lower register. Even the same sort of staccato approach to singing Wagnerian passages (which singers like Svanholm, Vinay avoid)
finally, FINALLY, found a set of Bach's Keyboard Partitas I wholeheartedly enjoyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VupQs20qNx4&list=OLAK5uy_kjDbQKTRplwkMa0Eir8bgnAjVhZVToyK0&index=7That, or I'm just actually starting to like them. Guess I'll have to revisit Hewitt's and Levit's sets to compare, but in any case, highly, highly recommend this set by Eric Heidsieck.
>>131691432Must be nice... I am still searching...
going to see mozart 41 on thursday. post your favs
>>131691617https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp-w3plEmJc&list=OLAK5uy_kOrxO1C-Cc3M-rlG6KQgPHACds0kyoKsU&index=13orhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8BEys5dqug&list=OLAK5uy_kf5A98Px2tJokeRE-a9MqRHrgv6U8Aqas&index=13
>>131691630My condolences.
>>131691712you know being a pseud doesn't mean people will think you are cool right?
>>131691691Gieseking comes close. Now if only he added ornamentation like Schiff...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C9B1uNrBdM
>>131691630https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SONlDLgx0GwOfficial GOAT Mozart conductors (at least when they were in good health) - if your favorite is NOT on this list, please refrain from posting here anymoreBlechKleiber sr.MarkevitchBuschKlempererFricsayBeechamMonteuxLehmannVegh
>>131691744based and klemperer pilled
>>131691279He does Siegfried in the third part of the Potted Ring iirc
>>131691279>>131691959Oh nvm that's where that's fromBut yeah he has a good voice. I wonder if they had the same teacher
Alexander Scriabin
>>131664603He was a great composer.
Who would win in a fistfight: Chopin, Scriabin or Mozart?
>>131692389probably Scriabin since Mozart was short and Chopin was sickly
The american classical mind cannot comprehend this.https://files.catbox.moe/nrffqv.mp4
>>131692408Mozart being short means he can punch scriabin in the balls more easily. If he is tactical he can win.
Favorite work by Vivaldi that isn't opus8/the four seasons?
>>131692652L'estro armonico, especially RV 356Chamber concerti, e.g. RV 84, 88, 92Oboe concerti, e.g. RV 447, 454, 463
>>131692408Scriabin was a midget lmao he was even shorter than Mozart.
>>131692244My beloved
what to listen to, what to listen to...
>>131692878Listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODGl3AHe_ps
>>131692878https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD4wyKOAd0w
now playingstart of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 1 in F Major, Op. 18/1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFoxv-cXFho&list=OLAK5uy_kuQX6naGZYZ0FJaRTNVyJAS4qRAgcioUQ&index=2start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 2 in G Major, Op. 18/2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fa_DyBFJ_o&list=OLAK5uy_kuQX6naGZYZ0FJaRTNVyJAS4qRAgcioUQ&index=6start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 3 in D Major, Op. 18/3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u97yuHG4v8&list=OLAK5uy_kuQX6naGZYZ0FJaRTNVyJAS4qRAgcioUQ&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kuQX6naGZYZ0FJaRTNVyJAS4qRAgcioUQ
>>131692878https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M73x3O7dhmg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC3KMbSkYNI
>>131692901>>131692909>>131692933thanks
It's strange it's called an Arabian Dance when it sounds like the ghosts of Christmas pasthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8J8urC_8JwThe whole thing is rather Christmassey though
Anyone else not really care for R Schumann's stuff? Lacks something that I can't figure out.
>>131694320Lacks your ears maybe. Listen to it until it clicks, retard, no one is going to spoonfeed you music of the greatest Austro-German next to Mahler.
>>131694343maybe he just sucks ass
what's the most definitive resource for a canon of western classical music?? something more sophisticated than classical.net or the talkclassical list
now playingstart of Smetana: String Quartet No. 1 in E Minor, JB 1:105 "From My Life"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYg1K20I2Gw&list=OLAK5uy_l_cdjkXlWQEOeqo7vyOmI7vdSCoU5Drwo&index=2start of Franck: String Quartet in D Major, FWV 9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNwHRLHLVn0&list=OLAK5uy_l_cdjkXlWQEOeqo7vyOmI7vdSCoU5Drwo&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l_cdjkXlWQEOeqo7vyOmI7vdSCoU5Drwo>In the last years of his life, Franck created three chamber music masterpieces: the Violin Sonata, the Piano Quintet, and this String Quartet. Only the Violin Sonata has achieved a full measure of popularity, and this string quartet is virtually unknown, largely because of its ambitious length and difficulty in performance. It's a terrific piece of music employing the composer's trademark cyclical form: the movements share tunes, and the finale acts as a sort of summing up of the entire work. While challenging to the performers, there's nothing difficult about it for the listener, and this performance is just about the only show in town. Fortunately, it's a very good one. --David Hurwitz
>>131694402The closest thing I can think of to what you're asking for is The Penguin Guide to Recorded Classical Music. While it's for recordings, in practice it's a canon of works themselves.
>>131694396>You know, I don’t want to be offensive. But 'Carnaval' is just awful. It seems ridiculous to have to say it. He can’t think, he can’t write. There’s no discernible talent.
It's over.
>>131695407>I couldn't be an artist so I'll just ruin art itself.typical resentful STEMlet mindset.
>>131695407grim
>>131695196Ironic he critiqued great music but couldn't write any himself
>>131696058that's like 90% of contemporary music critiques and so-called academics.no, Patrick. minimalism and spectralism are not music.
will I ever come to actually enjoy Bartok's string quartets? ;_;
>>131696201I strongly prefer his output for orchestra.
>>131696283Me too.
I do find it interesting the first pianists to release a full cycle of Prokofiev's and Scriabin's piano sonatas in the West were both women -- Barbara Nissman and Ruth Laredo, respectively.
Daniel Shafran's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEgPx8gnXpU&list=OLAK5uy_khTuTIMK6voDF6jLMlAYE5x2dNYpTr9AA&index=7
>>131696510>バッハ
>chopin's nocturnes in a custom ordery-you can't do that!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRQtfhXeF04&list=OLAK5uy_mEk8oPgceSokXpUjn4epaMTODp0hJdg7M&index=1No but seriously, dope album cover aside, what does /classical/ think about Earl Wild? I'm about to go through some of his discography, beginning with pic and his Chopin Scherzi+Ballades and assorted Liszt.
Vagn Holmboehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tba8v54xZaA&list=OLAK5uy_nYPRqmhtRNojNSqgYEC0TvcliGI_HyGwI&index=1
>>131695601The anti-AI mob is so fucking dumb holy shit.
>>131698061Almost as stupid as the mindless pro-AI mob!
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csrgVrMJmtE
Every composer ought to have the decency to have five piano sonatas minimum.
Stockhausenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiqJLKxyQlY&list=OLAK5uy_nf7dG5cdscBjJk3MC0cDqGxa3BvftorQA&index=1>Karlheinz Stockhausen was one of the foremost proponents of the radical music of the future envisioned by young composers after the horrors and destruction of World War II. In 1955, Stockhausen declared that music would have to be created anew amid the rubble of the past. His Klavierstücke I-XI for piano are not based on a linear belief in progress, but on a personal mix of scientific knowledge and religious conviction. The underlying theme of this music is the tension between objectively measured time and our subjective experience of time. Stockhausen deliberately restricted himself to a single instrument, believing that the neutrality and universality of the pianos sound allowed a comprehensive and transparent exploration of sound colors and structures. In Sabine Liebners precise and sensitive interpretation, the fascination of these piano pieces is apparent. The intensity of the individual sound events and our experience of the dual nature of time allow us to truly hear the ultimate goal of Stockhausens art.
>>131698530Incorrect. Anything pro- and anti- is equally stupid and mindless. Vehemence is usually a sign of low IQ. In this case, anti-AI mob is far more vocal and present in social media so it deserves far more scorn.
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>I was naive to try this CD--how good can the Dante Sym. be if major Lisztians have resolutely avoided it, including Karajan, Bernstien, Haitink, Rattle, and Horenstein? Each has recorded the Faust Sym. and/or the major tone poems. Liszt provides a moody, if concocted sense of doom in the first movement Inferno and a sugary choral Magnificat in the last movemnt Paradiso, but the symphony as a whole feels like an endless stay in Purgatorio, even though that's just the middle movement. Sheer claptrap, even for Liszt.damnWhat does /classical/ think about Liszt's Dante Symphony?
>>131699494shut up, retard.
Every time I listen to Mahler's 4th Symphony, I think about the one friend into classical I recommended it to in order to introduce them to Mahler in general who said they didn't like it. How can you not like it? Who doesn't enjoy Mahler 4? It's one of the most accessible symphonies in the repertoire! Or is that just me?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x8ey_OWiAI&list=OLAK5uy_kHlGBEDorKPIa5O_VQ78W5zvb0C8TZehQ&index=1
>>131694320he's highly underrated, give his chamber and solo keyboard works a try.I can easily imagine a 19th century not being much different without Mendelssohn (even the re-popularization of Bach's vocal works was a joint effort with Schumann), whereas the course of the 19th and 20th centuries would be utterly different without the likes of Schumann, Wagner, Liszt, and Verdi>>131695407>It's over.and that's a good thing!
>>131694320I love Schumann but there is a peculiarity to his composition style, primarily with angular dotted rhythms and an emotional quirkiness that to some might come off as awkward, that makes it so I wouldn't begrudge anyone for not liking his music.
>>131699560>and that's a good thing!I will never understand how it is that the self-described patrician art boards of 4chan dislike contemporary living artists so much, not to mention the likes of /pol/.
Rank these symphonies>Mahler 4>Brahms 4>Schumann 4>Mendelssohn 4>Sibelius 4>Tchaikovsky 4>Nielsen 4>Bruckner 4>Shostakovich 4>Vaughan Williams 4
>>131699617Brahms 4 > Mahler 4 > Bruckner 4 > Schumann 4 > Tchaikovsky 4 > Sibelius 4 > Shostakovich 4 > Nielsen 4 > Vaughan Williams 4 > Mendelssohn 4Brahms 4 is the obvious king, but the order of the next four (heh) of Mahler, Bruckner, Schumann, and Tchaikovsky is incredibly close, I'd probably put Sibelius and Shostakovich in the same tier, then the next three.
>>131699586i personally have no issue with contemporary music, though I don't listen to it often>>131699641this is correct. it's basically Brahms, Mahler, Bruckner > everything else
Brucknerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxddh0jGJmY&list=OLAK5uy_nlTPTt857RXy0S_emPKK2j5DZSc8i-IEw&index=1
>One day Sir John Barbirolli was flying into Houston with André Previn. The plane hit turbulence and the passengers were bucketed around, subjected to climbs and dives to terrify the most seasoned of flyers. At one point in the ordeal Sir John leaned over to Previn and whispered: "I can't die yet. I haven't done all the Bruckner symphonies."holy based. shame he didn't record any of it in studio
such a great performance of Verdi's Requiem, it's sublime!
>>131699716though desu Fricsay's late live recording is quite a bit betterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhUwunwuHz8
>>131699494>social media
>>131694320I don't like his solo piano stuff all that much, but otherwise he's usually pretty good. Love his 1st and 3rd symphonies.
>>131699617Mahler 4 > Brahms 4 > Schumann 4 > Tchaikovsky 4 > Mendelssohn 4 > Sibelius 4 > don't care about the rest. Bruckner 4 is alright, but like all Bruckner it's not good enough.>>131699641>>131699663Nah.
>>131700583>>131699560>>131699581Maybe it's cause I only really listened to his piano stuff. But really don't care for it.
>>131692652Is it basic to say la follia?
>>131695407Probably going to happen with pop-music, as the people who listen to it don't care about or even know the names of the people writing it.For other genres it's won't have a big effect at all, as the fans want to hear specifically what those artists they listen will create next.
>>131695601Does that argument really hold in this general though? Don't most of us listen exclusively to people who have been dead for at least 70 years, and wouldn't even admit if new artist was actually as good?
>>131699535I just listened to it and on the whole it was rather forgettable.
>>131699716>>131699868When are you gonna stop copypasting SDF opinions from the archive?
>>131699559The 4th is the one Mahler symphony I don't care much for. Something about its affected naïvety doesn't sit right with me.
Do you prefer Liszt's symphonic poems in their original form or in piano reduction?
Jesus, Szymanowski sonatas 2&3 are wonderful pieces of music
>>131700986give his chamber music a try>>131701098never>>131701114lets be real, it's certainly not the 8th or 9th
>>131701215Correct.
>>131701073Just listened to his Faust symphony and that was rather forgettable too. I think I'll just stick to Un sospiro and Liebestraum No. 3 from now on.
Why do people dickride the Emperor Concerto instead of the vastly superior 3.
>>131701540>I always find Beethoven's C Minor concerto much smaller and weaker than Mozart's. . . . I realize that Beethoven's new personality and his new vision, which people recognized in his works, made him the greater composer in their minds. But after fifty years, our views need more perspective. One must be able to distinguish between the charm that comes from newness and the value that is intrinsic to a work. I admit that Beethoven's concerto is more modern, but not more significant!
>>131701526Nah the Faust Symphony is bomb. You probably just didn't listen to a good recording.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs2AJVCa2OMHell. Yes.
>>131701540lmfao
>>131701540I don't know about superior but I do love the 3rd a lot.
>>131699716Every time I try to decide which recording of Verdi's Requiem to listen to, I'm stunned by how many recordings of it there are out there, especially by familiar conductors. Anyway, I'll have to try that one next.
>>131701306I'm now listening to the string quartets, man I've been missing out, the guy is awesome
>>131702026Wrote a lot of good vocal music too. And Krol Roger is a great opera
>>131701540The 3rd movement makes me cringe. I don't know why Beethoven thought that sounded good.
My classical music addiction has gotten really bad lately, even worse than usual. I've even been canceling going out to stay home so I can listen to more classical music. I don't know what happened, like ten days or so it all just starting sounding even better to me than it already has.
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC-xB_qb4Cc&list=OLAK5uy_npnDcUTIG2nWvXGkt7jD0CfDh2FhVyjGc&index=1
>>131702457Exact reverse for me. I just can't find time to listen to it like I used to. At most I'll listen to a movement of a short piece every other day. Not that I don't have time, I just waste my free time on TV and YT slop.
Why is a composer's 9th symphony always his best?
>>131703007Not true, by the way
>>131703007Because it's often their last, and last symphonies are always the best when evaluated with minimal bias.
For me it's Prut Igoe
>>131703007ah yes Mozart's 9th symphony his best symphony of course
I asked my kitty who's her favorite pianist and she replied,>ARRAUW!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGj2JmEtA78&list=OLAK5uy_kRK2Fvj4nP5GW-lXrA8aIEl2g5fB8fDi8&index=3
New Yulianna Avdeeva recording just dropped, this time featuring Liszt's Sonata in B minor and other late piano works of hishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3EGHhktMgY&list=OLAK5uy_kNA2-79g-Ayz1LYxBPDnAUSH5J701xgDQ&index=5>The internationally renowned pianist Yulianna Avdeeva presents Metanoia, a profound exploration of the late piano works of Franz Liszt, tracing his radical transformation from virtuoso to visionary. Liszt's late works mark a decisive break with traditional musical language and form, opening the door to 20th-century modernism through bold harmonic experimentation, compressed structures, and strikingly dissonant sonorities. Stripped of conventional melodic development, these brief but intense works convey deep existential reflection, touching on themes of faith, mortality, and the human condition. Initially met with resistance, they would later become a major influence on composers such as Bartok, Scriabin, Debussy, and Ravel. >The album unfolds in reverse chronology, culminating in Liszt's Sonata in B Minor and Legende No. 2. The Sonata in B Minor stands as one of the most important works in the piano repertoire: a single-movement structure of extraordinary dramatic and philosophical scope, where contrasting themes emerge, collide, and transform into a journey from darkness to transcendence. For Avdeeva, Liszt's music is never purely virtuosic, but an existential inquiry into the deepest aspects of human experience - light and darkness, faith and doubt, life and death - revealing a composer who continually expanded the possibilities of musical thought and expression.review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-liszt-metanoia-yulianna-avdeeva-piano/
haydn niggas be like "haydn 9 is pretty mid, i prefer haydn 3062"
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Insane albumhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcziloE6kYQ&list=PLbG9xmYd3shQyDOVPuzqP-kL47AbouNBFObukhov is a god
>>131705507o I like Roger Woodward
>In some circles Hans Knappertsbusch has the reputation of a great Brucknerian, but you certainly couldn’t prove it by this dreadful performance of the Symphony No. 8. The things that are wrong here are voluminous, but I’ll highlight the most pertinent flaws. First, Knappertsbusch uses not the Haas nor even the Nowak edition, but a version by Joseph Schalk, that notorious Wagnerizer of Bruckner’s original scores. In this case his meddling seems limited to spurious instrumental doublings and other textural “fill-ins”, as well as further cuts in the finale (including a rewrite of the transitional woodwind passage just before the finale’s coda). Schalk may have tinkered with the dynamics too, though I suspect this is attributable to Knappertsbusch’s “inspired” and off-the-cuff (he didn’t believe in rehearsals) revelations."Wagnerizer of Bruckner's original scores"? What's going on here?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWY3QEns9Mk&list=OLAK5uy_nUY1hZftfHKrlHZAcNRGpo2MR0gN-37n4&index=1When I saw the 4; 6 rating on ClassicsToday (the source of the quote above), I almost immediately deleted the recording from my library never to think of it again, but the putative "Wagnerizer of Bruckner's original scores" Schalk edition has me intrigued.
>>131705911Kna is always worth listening to. This is one of the greatest performances of anything ever recorded.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vxIEoG_kK8
I'm trying to make an honest attempt to enjoy classical. What are some of the best Debussy recordings? I downloaded the way old Gieseking album, any others that offer any unique greatness?
>>131706690https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrwHYt7mKas&list=OLAK5uy_kHvuYXh5WTcHFJUcLKN-ysGrT85u-zjuA&index=2
>>131706437Well Kna was the selling point of course but I was more talking about the unusual edition of the score. I ended up loving it though, along with the three Wagner orchestral pieces at the end.
>>131706690https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PZFWza6dgw&list=OLAK5uy_lBcsG0KmCvkssx3q2mr3z8z71IRVcDQC8&index=1
>>131667451all that shits jewish
Ravelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7XGh5nutng&list=OLAK5uy_m9mP59naPS3IRdgiNYDlTH-43X0OiQvfc&index=1
>>131701215The density in No. 2 reaches ridiculous levels at times, but it's a good piece, yeah.
I just farted and it sounded like dance of the little swans intro
>>131706437>If you revel in the Berlin Philharmonic of yore going FULL THROTTLE without Furtwangler-isms or Herbie-izations, this box-set is for you. What a pity Kna was not empurpled upon the death of Furtwangler in 1954 if only for a five year reign - Herbie did bugger all recording-wise with the Berlin Philharmonic in the years running up to 1960. The biggest surprise here is the so-called light music. Some would say - a priori, I hasten to add - that Kna puts the T in Teutonic but he completely refutes this suggestion in the Nutcracker Suite which is stylishly done with plenty of humour (mind you, the Berlin Philharmonic has always revelled in Tchaikovsky). That being said, the Dance of the Reeds from 1'40" onwards sounds somewhat Brucknerian but gloriously so. And what a Die Fledermaus this is! Behold, Kna waves his magic wand and the Berlin Philharmonic is momentarily transformed into its Viennese counterpart in its lilt and froth. Better still, has Strauss' Tausend und eine Nacht ever sounded more noble? Here it sounds like an Ultimate Statement - and I was starting to worry that it was going to blow the roof off!
>>131708556Ahh, you are a reader of Bernard Michael O'Hanlon as well. Though I kept up with his amazon reviews, and much less on his fb group. From memory though, that review goes on a bit more...where did you get it from? It's probably a decade old.Bezos did such shit nuking his account. I can't imagine what in the world provoked it...maybe some asshole engineer at AWS is a Mahler fan.
>>131708684Yeah, i used to read his reviews on amazon as well - very funny guy. I copied this one from his facebook group. At one point he was going to repost all his reviews on another facebook page (other than "classical music reviews" which has several contributors) but i can't find it anymore
>>131708713It's a PITA for me because I don't have a FB account, don't care to make one, and the old throwaway I made before the identity bullshit got nuked or something way back. Maybe there's a why to navigate his group freely without logging in, but I never figured it out.
Wtf?
>>131709246Yikes!
Brahms.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA8ianDgCfQ&list=OLAK5uy_lTWIJJDw5h-3tYPmN6Ps5Ms_ZuBcDpH7U&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqCeqNxZXmQ&list=OLAK5uy_nGTEtBoqV9aCnLMiK16Y4KtFcO8jI1STs
>>131710458BASED
>>131710458I keep getting recommended that set on Amazon. How is it? I've heard a couple recordings by Gardner and they were alright.
>>131710499The first six minutes have been pretty good but nothing that will blow your nips off. Although I have to say I feel like it is missing that raw edge.
new: >>131710531:^)
>>131710509>Although I have to say I feel like it is missing that raw edge.Yeah, that's all modern Brahms sets. They go for a beautiful, inoffensive, smoothed-out sonority above all. Not necessarily a bad thing, just what it is. I'll give it a try, thanks.
no portamento, no listening.it's that simple
>>131712151there's a new, anon>>131710534
Can anyone ID this piano song please??https://gofile.io/d/jyh6fJeQ
