Brahms editionhttps://youtu.be/uC2U43xkbnkThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131710531
Chopin is all that matters in this universe.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maIopk7FSN4
>>131747818Promise me you'll retire this recording when it hits 100 years old.
>>131747823I still listen to Pabsthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP1nvpN27oo
>>131747788it should actually be:Mozart (held the title from 1788 to 1793)Cherubini (1794 to 1807)Beethoven (1808 to 1827)Cherubini (1828 to 1841)Wagner (1842 to 1883)
>>131747844Sun O))) x Chopin
>>131747914(2/2) Bruckner (1884 to 1896)Strauss (1897 to 1900)Reger (1901 to 1916)title abolished (1917 - ...)
>>131747943Chopin's only good album, desu.
>>131747796who are you fooling nigga thats rick rubin
>>131747788>chopin is the greatest master of counterpoint since mozart until the time of chopinDoesn't make much sense, does it?
>>131748086I mean "since" usually means "the best ever afterwards" but it can also mean "the best afterwards, until the next best"aka it's just a way of saying he's better than Beethoven and Schubertbut yes it could also mean better than any composer since Mozart, even after Chopin
>>131747796Brahms' chamber works are splendid! Second only to Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VhA_hrVQBI>>131748065lel
>>131747914Actually it was Cherubini's pupil, after his death, so you missed one:Chopin (1842 to 1849)And furthermore, Sorabji gigamogged everyone on (both of) your list(s).
>>131747796I've heard that Brahms had terrible hygiene and stunk
>>131748131>Gayhomo Sorabjeetbait used to be believable.
>>131748173Cope.
>>131748230sorabjeet couldn't stop scribbling notes because crotchets reminded him of black cocks.
>>131748129>Second only to MozartWho the fuck do you think is going to believe that Brahms wrote anything as good as the Late Quartets?
>>131748290And he still surpassed everyone. Curious!
an idiosyncratic start to an idiosyncratic day!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztrt67qoeAI&list=OLAK5uy_lU3FD2uf0cYVD4Tm7ROPGY0iMLnYQkVWc&index=1
>>131748443only at bumming.
>>131748464Funny way to spell counterpoint!
>>131748363if we're talking strictly the string quartets, Beethoven's are superior -- no doubt. But we're nothttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXzhc_eoIcQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VhA_hrVQBIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJLeHBccyQ(also these are recs for the chamber music chad who keeps lamenting the lack of chamber music here)
If I were a composer/conductor today, I would write and perform orchestrations of all the great chamber works. A bit hacky, perhaps, but hey what's good is good.
>>131748599 I wholeheartedly agree. First ,I would tackle all organ music and transcribe it to orchestra, just listen to that Stokowski and Schoenberg transcriptions. Then I would go after chamber music.There's no reason for chamber music to persist as it did in era before recordings existed.
>>131748599>>131748690Why don't you do this?
orchestra plebs are the worst
now playingstart of Beethoven: Concerto for Piano & Orchestra No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 37https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYpEfOdlnpc&list=OLAK5uy_lFAmiHf31cIo-zpt57-GbGmWSixZK4IZs&index=8start of Beethoven: Concerto for Piano & Orchestra No. 4 in G Major, Op. 58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqaJ31-GPPw&list=OLAK5uy_lFAmiHf31cIo-zpt57-GbGmWSixZK4IZs&index=11start of Beethoven: Concerto for Piano and Orchestra No. 5 in E-Flat Major, Op. 73 "Emperor"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjsMYI4In8o&list=OLAK5uy_lFAmiHf31cIo-zpt57-GbGmWSixZK4IZs&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lFAmiHf31cIo-zpt57-GbGmWSixZK4IZsAhhhhhh there's too many sets of Beethoven's piano concertos worth listening to!! I didn't even know this one existed until I came upon it yesterday, I'm surprised, you figure Barenboim and Rubinstein together, it'd be one of the most popular sets. Anyway, should be good, if not great!
>>131748730Holy shit this is one weighty interpretation. It's like every note is about to cause an earthquake. I love it already, especially as almost all of the recent sets I've listened to have been of the more lightweight, nimble, and taut variety.
>>131748723I'm not a composer.
>>131748730fucking hell, could the 4th be any slower?? awful, awful, awful.
>>131748780lol I warned you, weighty as fuck
>>131748776It was over before it began.
>>131748780here, accept this wonderful set as an apologyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2e4zTV6iCo&list=OLAK5uy_nvT7jssDMy0WZ71ZqKvGNvzeMYGsXmBKY&index=4
confession: I still have not listened to John Field's Nocturnes
>>131748805it's decent, but this is THE ONEhttps://youtu.be/fQjCzEhek3A
>>131748829>PolliniI thought his set with Abbado was the set to have?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iXctOlCNX0&list=OLAK5uy_noJT_ePieF3N9daRs9D6M9pj2BrRPTaEY&index=10
>>131748851you see, that's exactly the problem with your obsession with complete cycles: you're missing out on some of actual great recordings
reposting to shill this new release:New Yulianna Avdeeva recording just dropped, this time featuring Liszt's Sonata in B minor and other late piano works of hishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3EGHhktMgY&list=OLAK5uy_kNA2-79g-Ayz1LYxBPDnAUSH5J701xgDQ&index=5>The internationally renowned pianist Yulianna Avdeeva presents Metanoia, a profound exploration of the late piano works of Franz Liszt, tracing his radical transformation from virtuoso to visionary. Liszt's late works mark a decisive break with traditional musical language and form, opening the door to 20th-century modernism through bold harmonic experimentation, compressed structures, and strikingly dissonant sonorities. Stripped of conventional melodic development, these brief but intense works convey deep existential reflection, touching on themes of faith, mortality, and the human condition. Initially met with resistance, they would later become a major influence on composers such as Bartok, Scriabin, Debussy, and Ravel.>The album unfolds in reverse chronology, culminating in Liszt's Sonata in B Minor and Legende No. 2. The Sonata in B Minor stands as one of the most important works in the piano repertoire: a single-movement structure of extraordinary dramatic and philosophical scope, where contrasting themes emerge, collide, and transform into a journey from darkness to transcendence. For Avdeeva, Liszt's music is never purely virtuosic, but an existential inquiry into the deepest aspects of human experience - light and darkness, faith and doubt, life and death - revealing a composer who continually expanded the possibilities of musical thought and expression.review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-liszt-metanoia-yulianna-avdeeva-piano/
>>131748799To be fair, I kind of am. If harmony and species counterpoint count. But that's it. I don't even have time to compose or learn oechestration.
>>131748860I mean, yeah, that's something I've admitted several times. Particularly with pianists who only have recordings of a couple of Beethoven's piano sonatas -- there's so many complete cycles worth listening to, I skip over it. But I'm trying to change that.On the flip side, at least this way I don't get teased; if a musician has a great performance of one of the pieces in a cycle, I like knowing they have the rest recorded too. And isn't it nice listening to a musician you know loves the works so much they recorded the entire cycle? As opposed to one who just has a recording of, say, the Hammerklavier on its own?But yes, it's something I'm trying to change. There's just so many worthwhile complete sets, there isn't enough time!
>>131748886Not really. Just because they recorded everything doesn't really mean shit about how much they love it or even perform it all equally well. If anything the pianists that slapdash together a full cycle all at once are highly fucking suspect. Someone that does just a few works here and there is more likely to have something unique to say about them.Very few GOAT pianists actually had the entire works of a composer, even the ones they specialized in, wholly within their repertoire. Josef Hofmann is a good example of that.
Haydnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjYhUNBz7fY&list=OLAK5uy_nltIvd8Xal0p2IWB-pUguFxE5bY1czzHw&index=8it's always fun to look for small or unknown labels and dig their catalog
the only reason for "complete" cycles is that they sell. it's what the consumer wants. "complete" is like a magic word to them. they don't care that half of it is mediocre at best. it's complete, so they are getting their money's worth, right?
>>131749363right.
imagine not listening to rudolf serkin playing beethoven sonatas because he didn't record all of them!!
>>131748131Sorabji isn't even coherent enough to be called counterpoint
Looking for some haunting shit similar to Gnosienne #1-3 by Erik SatieStripped down to the essence, it doesnt have to be piano I guess.https://youtu.be/PLFVGwGQcB0
>>131749791https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgvoLOFMU8g&list=OLAK5uy_kyDP2NZ-5zBYL2joepb-oG6qUEZ7Cq4vo&index=10
>>131749791You should check out Steve Reich. It does not get more stripped down to the essence than that!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPU5XrmORCQ
>>131748886I agree with >>131749312Someone who is obsessed with cycles likely has much less to offer than someone who put their efforts into just a couple of pieces. I thought that was pretty obvious. Hofmann recorded Moonlight (and even performed No.32 although unfortunately there is no recording of it), and it is easily the most beautiful, thrilling and expressive performance of it. That speaks for itself.
>>131749831>>131749836Thank you gentlemen, cheers.
>>131749836Is Steve Reich even really classical?
Mozart.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AArGg3ZedFc&list=OLAK5uy_k6r-QsYQy0eDfciyDqAFITmIimGHfteKQ&index=2
>>131747796FUCK KARL MARX
>>131750344Gay necrophile much
>"This quartet rather resembles your wife—very dainty, but brilliant! ...It's no longer a question of a forceps delivery; but of simply standing by. There’s no cello solo in it, but such a tender viola solo that you may want to change your instrument for its sake!"
>Brahms
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t50MGcLVae4&list=OLAK5uy_nyLT-xwbwVVRpPUOzW8FEuw3wDAeCFv-s&index=8
>>131750344Praise Marx, Engels and Lenin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV_jzHksJ8A
Hindemithhttps://youtu.be/7QHR6W90nms?t=327
>>131747796>songs that would have been Top 100 All Time Classical songshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2evIg-aYw8
>>131751068>Hindemith
>>131751241not sure what this has to do with classical. maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>131750776The picture siehst about right. Bro literally played classical after it was cool
>>131749363>>131749374It's not possible to have something to say about all of Chopin's Nocturnes? to love them all?>>131749423I haven't heard it yet but it's on my list!
>>131749363Correct -- and it's what I'm buying!
>>131751985>It's not possible to have something to say about all of Chopin's Nocturnes? to love them all?Read >>131749893
>>131749893>Someone who is obsessed with cycles likely has much less to offer than someone who put their efforts into just a couple of pieces.While that's certainly a POSSIBLE rebuttal (eg pianist only loves 20 of Beethoven's piano sonatas but the label wants them to record all 32 so they whip up a decent interpretation of the other 12) but a) I never said cycles were perfect from beginning to end...? you go along and judge as you would with anything, you just have options, and b) just as I do not know your situation isn't the case, you cannot know it is the case.And it's as simple as this: you search "beethoven piano concertos" and you see two sets: one with just 3+4 of Beethoven's piano concertos and the other with all five. Which do you listen to? Obvious choice. You could say that's 'just' marketing, but it's also more music, and why wouldn't you choose more music?
>>131752310>And it's as simple as this: you search "beethoven piano concertos" and you see two sets: one with just 3+4 of Beethoven's piano concertos and the other with all five. Which do you listen to? Obvious choice.????Why is it an obviois choice? Who are the interpreters? Who's playing? What do I want to hear? That's what I'll go by, not how much shit they managed to put on a disc. If I want to listen to the 4th, I can go with either, assuming I like both interpreters.You have a strange mind anon.
>implying beethoven didn't intend for all 32 of his piano sonatas to be performed and listened to in one sittingtoplel
>>131752391Stop being obtuse, obviously a hypothetical like that presumes all other things being equal. For example, love Argerich, but she's only recorded the first three piano concertos, and many, many great pianists have recorded all five, so yeah, sorry Martha, but I'm gonna opt for the sets with all five because I enjoy all five! How is that not simple to understand? It'd be one thing if there were a limited backlog, but in this case, where it's virtually endless, yeah, I'mma go with the set that has everything I want in one place.
>>131752420but you don't need to "opt" for a set with all five at all! you can just listen to her performances of the ones you like and someone else's performance for the othersunless, of course, you want me to believe you still buy physical CDs, and if that's the case: what the fuck are you doing, man? It's 2026
>>131752493I think the problem of communication here is that I'm constantly listening to new and unfamiliar recordings. Because of this, yeah, I am forced to consistently make decisions about which sets to prioritize and which to push to the wayside in the backlog. If my backlog of these sets were complete, then sure, it wouldn't matter, and I could just listen to whichever recording, no matter if it only had one piece or the complete cycle, but that isn't the case, I always have more.Counterpoint: I came upon a recording of Rachmaninoff's third piano concerto the other day. I don't have any sets of Rach's piano concertos in my backlog, so that set is moved to the top for my next listen.For Beethoven's piano sonatas and piano concertos? Yeah, the backlog is packed! So yes, I'm gonna prioritize the ones that are a complete cycle. That make sense?
now playingstart of Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, Op. 30https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW91IgFg0Oo&list=OLAK5uy_kMWrLAR6HH0GuBBD9k_1RaM8F45rVeUe8&index=2Rachmaninoff: Cello Sonata in G Minor, Op. 19: III. Andante (Transcribed by A. Volodos for Piano)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX6j2RtR05E&list=OLAK5uy_kMWrLAR6HH0GuBBD9k_1RaM8F45rVeUe8&index=5Rachmaninoff: 13 Preludes, Op. 32: No. 6 in F Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viA8eTKEePE&list=OLAK5uy_kMWrLAR6HH0GuBBD9k_1RaM8F45rVeUe8&index=8Rachmaninoff: Études-tableaux, Op. 33: No. 9 in C-Sharp Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbXkE8ZXS0g&list=OLAK5uy_kMWrLAR6HH0GuBBD9k_1RaM8F45rVeUe8&index=9+ other assorted pieceshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMWrLAR6HH0GuBBD9k_1RaM8F45rVeUe8Can always count on Volodos for a wonderful performance.
>it's true, i exclusively listen to Gieseking's Mozart sonata cycle and none other
The Brahms fog hath come and taken /classical/ with it.
>>131749354Immeasurably underrated. I'm surprised he was even mentioned.
>>131747796>this jew didn't record 20 and 21 so we'll never have a complete set by himwhat's his problem?
give me classical music to get over a breakupi have done nothing but listen to mahler 2 since i got dumped this weekend
>>131754333https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOSFulkl4o0
I can't decide to learn Violin or Classical Guitar. I know Violin has a better repertoire, but its also harder to play so it kind of evens it out for me
>>131754333https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIvWjI4PrJw
>>131754333Anonymous - Op. 9k - Impromptu for Solo Faggoto
>>131754782this brutally kills suicidal thoughts.
>>131754782based
>>131747796That's David Ruben fuck off.
>>131748065>>131750344>>131755185Ok?
>>131754333I mean this is what Rach and Tchaikovsky were made for.Rach's piano concertosRach's Preludes and EtudesRach's symphoniesRach's cello sonataRach's piano triosTchaikovsky's piano concerto 1Tchaikovsky's symphonies 4 5 6Tchaikovsky's piano triohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC-jip4cJCs
thovenbroshow do we end the tyranny of baroquesisters and dodecacels?
>>131754333Brahms' late piano workshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgmMHtRV_c0
>>131755347I'm learning Op. 118 rn and it is very rewarding to play, but I can't quite get a grip on what No. 1 is "supposed" to sound like. I find it very hard to decide on a tempo for it when I play
>>131755353Katchen is the gold standardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzFOxE7jPM8&list=OLAK5uy_lO8GqjavV-zFsyS90t8I9NBDLgcxPELiM&index=44
>>131755373Damn, this is pretty bad.
>>131755353Gould is the gold standard https://youtube.com/watch?v=nsbpTo71Twc
>>131755557not even checking it out
>>131755557Damn, this is the worst.
I hate the bass clarinet and everyone who plays it!!!
The Chad Canon:BachHandelHaydnWeberSchumannLisztBrahmsIvesWebernThe Sissy Canon:VivaldiMozartBeethovenSchubertChopinWagnerTchaikovskyMahlerDebussyStravinsky
>>131755353Plowright is the gold standardhttps://youtu.be/ast11x9E95A
>>131755517>>131755353I like Paul Lewishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAgTCBBATs0&list=OLAK5uy_mnl-M-pP4DMMPiOqmZKmjxg5gUgGbWwdw&index=11
>>131755735i like bruckner :)
>>131755735The good:BachHaydnSchumannLisztBrahmsMozartBeethovenSchubert ChopinWagnerTchaikovskyMahlerThe bad:All the rest.
>>131755755You'll have to look at each list to determine where he belongs yourself
>>131755765so true sister
>>131755765Very true brother.
>>131755735This, but the exact opposite.
Minsoo Sohn's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aat1TwKhk-8&list=OLAK5uy_ng6ZM2po5rpu3HVnff1141TbgqDEcfB10&index=1>My only criticisms concern the engineering’s slightly drab ambience, plus the fact that Sohn sometimes starts a variation at a brisk tempo that slightly yet noticeably slows down as the music progresses. Even so, Sohn’s distinctive and intelligent Bach pianism more than merely holds its own among the top contenders in the Goldberg Variations’ constantly expanding discography. ---- Jed Distler, ClassicsToday, Rating: 9; 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h35VSz2Kkc&list=RD9h35VSz2Kkc&start_radio=1About to start learning this piece.
>>131755323Read. Basil. Lam.
The good:Composers I likeThe bad:Composers I don't like
>>131756017buy an ad.
>>131757358I know I've said I'm part Asian before but I'm not Minsoo Sohn, don't worry.
Ya
>>131755353https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d4gX03zbnU&list=OLAK5uy_l5VZTBaPin2g4SbRl8PdtI_NDDlb7dvks&index=56
>>131755735>Webermay the Lord smile upon you on this blessed day, anon>Sissy Canon>BeethovenDIE
genuinely what are some good books for a layman to appreciate what is going on in the music more
>>131757694How to Read Sheet Music for Retards like (you)
>>131757720You had the opportunity to help and you didn't, think about that.
>>131757727shut your fucking mouth, cocksucker.
>>131757738You would quiver in fear in my presence
>>131757694
>>131752517>So yes, I'm gonna prioritize the ones that are a complete cycle. That make sense?i genuinely don't understand why anyone would want to listen to beethoven's first two piano concertos over and over again. they stink!
>>131748169That's where larping Beethoven went too far
>>131755735Unpopular opinion:Any music that is listened and played after 100-1000 years after the death of the composer is objectively good and better than any music made today.
>>131758106
>>131758106it's total bullshit though
Who will be my /classical/ husbando?
I love the cello on this recording of Brahms' Op.111 string quintet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfwEjPcmutA>>131758106Brahms liked Mozart's music more than Beethoven's
>>131758036I really like them... I mean not masterpieces but very good.
>>131757694You could check out Tovey, he has written about 10 pages each on most of the standard repertoire that are not very technical, but assume that you know how to read sheet music. Apart from books I would recommend this YouTube series on harmony. It is both thourough and approachable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jffTBei6mxY&list=PLSntcNF64SVVBtDnYIfoLlvM4gPJw_i6R&index=1
continuing with Arrau's Beethoven piano sonatas cycleNo. 15 in D, Op. 28 -"Pastorale"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9d9LIWs2RA&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=52No. 16 in G, Op. 31 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHSSiS7zHuQ&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=56No. 17 in D minor, Op. 31 No. 2 -"Tempest"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpM8rLlssvk&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=59No. 18 in E flat, Op. 31 No. 3 -"The Hunt"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiKOkw3MDk8&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=62No. 19 in G minor, Op. 49 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmEx9oFYsiY&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=66No. 20 in G, Op. 49 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVQeY356W_0&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=67I'll admit, in many cycles, from 16-20, I get bored, because the famous 17th and 18th come off as kitsch romps and the 16th, 19th, and 20th as disposable miniatures, remnants of incomplete ideas. But under Arrau's hands, they all sound substantial and sublime.
>>131758036They may not be the greatest piano concertos ever but they make for nice background music (which is also true for Beethoven's other three piano concertos).
>>131757694you rang?if you like this one, he has other books too along similar linesif you are down to pirate some textbooks, there's also Craig Wright's Listening to Music. he teaches the Music Appreciation/Intro to Classical Music course at Yale. there might even be a free online course available that you should peep but I prefer textbookshttps://online.yale.edu/courses/listening-musichttps://online.yale.edu/courses/introduction-classical-music
>>131759172>but they make for nice background music (which is also true for Beethoven's other three piano concertos).
>>131758759>Brahms liked Mozart's music more than Beethoven's<explainthejoke>He was considered the new Beethoven in 19th century musical circles.</explainthejoke>
>you HAVE listened to at least a few complete Beethoven piano sonata cycles released in the 21st century, right, anon? surely you don't only listen to recordings by dead men without supporting living artists, right, anon? anon???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNxu3MRz_4s&list=OLAK5uy_nti8_sK69i59DEk8paJTX7xOALi6-NUHc&index=78
>>131759347I actually only listen to music live in concert.
>>131759347Hiss is bliss.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGcenvb_Xho&list=OLAK5uy_kJua6CHlcBVz6efCTJaQeIW1XHOHuK6co&index=12the anon who collected every baracolle recording is still around?
>>131759172>nice background musiceverything makes sense now.
>>131759393That was me, the Chopinzee. I'm not sure if I've listened to this one, but I'm pretty sure I've listened to all hiss ones. Now that I'm reminded of this GOATedness of pianism I might listen to it for the rest of the week. Good call, thanks. Although his father is kinda better from what I remember, but I haven't listened to Neuhauses in a long time. So far, it's not disappointing so that's cool.
you guys peep the newish Dudamel Schumann yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqXPN5z6gOk&list=OLAK5uy_mOlejL_TFr7vtQVgWpAwATaildcA2Bjlk&index=9
>>131759655No, I haven't listened to all the oldish ones yet. Next on my list is Muti.
any hisster sisters online? what's the best Chopin op.25 no.12?
>>131759677You've just reminded me I still need to listen to Muti's EMI Schumann cycle (I've only heard his one with Vienna, which is solid, but not one I've ever returned to -- I've heard the EMI one is a tad bit better). Anyway, fair enough. Personally, I do the approach of, generally, cycling between eras: one old (say, 40s-70s), one modern-old (70s-2000), one recent (21st century), then repeat. It's not a hard rule, just a loose one. It provides good coverage. Whatever works for you though.
>>131759699>hiss>implyinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKSRwBfTj8Y&list=OLAK5uy_lRXVdozvSC5eMGvlQYuR-9-VEp8tNh5rk&index=24There's so many recordings of Chopin's Etudes you could probably listen to a new set every time and you wouldn't run out of quality ones for several years.
>>131759249He was the Beethoven Mozart Bach Handel Schubert Monteverdi of 19th century musical circles
>There are simply dozens of Schumann cycles around; I only keep my top ten or fifteen on hand. The rest sit in the "overflow" stock my parent's barn, where I can access them on weekends. --- David Hurwitzoh but I get made fun of and get called the guy who 'likes everything'. maybe it's you anons who only like and listen to one set/recording for each work that are the weirdos, not me!
>>131759699Check out Cortot recordings
>>131759699https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVuVw8SPyWc&list=OLAK5uy_mn5yz8qP2n1nfDEt7Wk3oElSyU-FQGgn0&index=12Cortot or Koczalski
>hissssssssHey! Turn that off!
>mfw finale of Schumann 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm3F48BNNX8&list=OLAK5uy_mQ1kTxzZ7TmEw9hTfzuBlaFFPcV0C6sbE&index=4
>>131759744but you don't listen to them, you use them as "nice background music".
>>hissssssssHey, turn that shit up!
>>131759814That wasn't me. Though I do like to do mindless reading while listening to music, yeah.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96cFI9qOR5o&list=OLAK5uy_nS8QBfnaN3qxknnIz_i62Ch1WoNeubI64&index=1
>>131759699We have Cortot, Lortat and Koczlaski (among others like Backhaus). Ngl, it's hard NOT to pick Cortot every single time I'm presented with the option, he's like almighty god. The earlier one, of course. The other two are worth checking out. Lortat has an excellent 25/7 as well so check it out.
now playing, going through Earl Wild's discographySchumann: Papillons, Op. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpzOWqi6UDE&list=OLAK5uy_kwCJJSmi-nkfnsJYiFIXZBwoFvmQ9y4xI&index=2start of Schumann: Sonata No. 1 in F-Sharp Minor, Op. 11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHOMpykBqMk&list=OLAK5uy_kwCJJSmi-nkfnsJYiFIXZBwoFvmQ9y4xI&index=3Schumann: Waldszenen, Op. 82https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M22RW0a4CFQ&list=OLAK5uy_kwCJJSmi-nkfnsJYiFIXZBwoFvmQ9y4xI&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kwCJJSmi-nkfnsJYiFIXZBwoFvmQ9y4xI>Earl Wild, the 87 year-old last Romantic Master, has always been known for his spectacular public recitals. To follow up his last Ivory Classics release (CD-72008) of a 1982 Paris performance of the Brahms Paganini Variations, Ivory Classics is beginning a series of public recital releases by this legendary Grammy Award-winning dean of pianists. The Papillons Op. 2 and Sonata No. 1 in F-sharp minor Op. 11 on this all Schumann disc is from a Montreal recital performance on November 4th 1983. The Waldszenen Op. 82 is from a concert in Columbus, Ohio on January 11th 1987. Drama and elegance are in ample supply on this disc. Romanticism lives - a true throw back to the Golden Age of Pianism.Earl Wild has a lot of recital/live in concert recordings, which is pretty neat, I've been wanting to listen to more recordings like that. If anyone has any recommendations for other musicians -- pianist, violinist, cellist, conductor, or otherwise -- whose discography I ought to go through, please, I'm all ears!
Is there a generally agreed upon list of which of Bach's 200 some odd cantatas are worth listening to?
>>131759919I've asked this question before and saved the answers I got
>>131759919the meme one (BWV 147) and then the rest
>>131759919>>131759925and
You guys mind if a white boy speaks a little español tonight?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cT8eHUuOWQ
>>131759925Why these ones exactly?
To the Appassionata fanatics (with taste), you might find this interesting:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jociHqusSSs
>>131759821>background music>mindless readingjesus fucking christ, just kill me now!!
My opinion on Beethoven's piano concertos is basically the same as my opinion on his symphonies Nos. 1, 2 and 4.
>>131759925you see, that won't cut it it, it's already missing 34, 79 and 104https://youtu.be/l9zSM-2qeYshttps://youtu.be/8sirYWrhL5ohttps://youtu.be/PsObnHYWd9Yi'd suggest you start with the rotzsch set, then karl richter and fritz werner. that'll give you a good taste. after that you'll want to fill in the gaps
>>131760216First 3 sure. 4th and especially 5th are easily comparable to top Beethoven symphonies.
>>131760216pno cto 4 is easily top-10 beethoven
>>131760128One of my favorites along with Bauer and Feinberg. Lamond's Beethoven is very underrated
>>131757521>ah>la>rh>odi>len>ouI don't get it.
>>131759347Didn't ask you ugly whore.
>>131759347>21st centuryIs this a joke
>>131751241Too listenable to be classical. Classical music can't have a coherent theme, it must be ever changing, it can't have rhythm, it can't have emotions, it must be sterile, lest the plebs like it.But reminds mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L08DU4ywOBE>>131749791You will only be disappointed if you try to find classical music like Satie's, see above. Also don't expect much from the minimalists like Cage, Reich or Philip Glass, Satie is an avant-garde master like Picasso while those are shit on the canvas type hacks. But you can give above a try.
>>13175991920627082103
>>131760390Brahms at his finest
>>131760154Only sometimes!
>>131760478the stuff of nightmares
The government should stop people making new recordings of classical. It's all been done already and the poor quality Hiss recordings have all been redone and improved. Unless you're going to do a Jazz hip hop remix or something you should forced to do something else
>>131761087>Hiss recordings have all been redone and improved. You wish.
>>131759744...are you under the assumption we respect Hurwitz?hell, I respect you more than I do him
>>131761087>government>doing anything of use
>>131760678Filtered
>>131760678It's a great performance. It says so on the cover.
>>131747796I love Sibelius Violin Concerto, but second movement is a slomo reverb of the first movement, is it not? Here's my favorite recording, sometimes soloist sounds like a bird there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGZh_VivKa4&list=OLAK5uy_kqYm_357UDfxb3fmO7uNdmGuyoan-KdTE&index=4
Harpsichord Goldberg? Which one?
>>131762407https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNaOa6c4Sx4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNaOa6c4Sx4
>>131762437>Recorded with an Xbox 360 microphone Something with more fidelity please?
>>131762499https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmygKy6ieUo
>>131760470I am slowly finding out what you say to be true. Being evocative, succinct, soulful and bare seems to be an extreme rarity.
>>131761087>jazz >hip hop remixGet out!
One day soon, AI will know everything about everything and make new classical that will make Bach sound as vulgar as Eminem.Soon.
>>131762858doubt.jpg
>>131762858Bait
>>131762407https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBTjDAS2jYQ&list=OLAK5uy_nSmz_xHyCIEb_4jfxvLRDWODnGEyUZ_Jc&index=1>"An ode to silence" is how harpsichordist Jean Rondeau has described Bach's Goldberg Variations. "I feel they were written for silence, in the sense that they take the place of silence," he says. "All Bach is there in the Goldberg Variations... all music is there... and I will no doubt spend my life working on them." To prepare his interpretation he consulted an original printed edition of the work, containing Bach's own markings and corrections. "Through delving into this precious musicological source, I was able to make what I felt to be the most authentic choices." Rondeau performs the set of variations in it's complete form, with the indicated repeats and with judicious insertion of moments of silence.
I don't wanna name names but hot damn some pianists be playing the ugliest pianos and ruining their performances. Yeah, yeah, it's all a matter of taste, I'm just saying.
I love Liszt but I'm not sure I get the Dante SonataBerman's performancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeqfQCnMusEhiss versionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l60pVPNG3X0anyone else?
>>131763149Oh ya this is good
>>131763149>All repeats Dropped.
>>131759347I really hate how much this show is glazed. literally every basic bitch high school coming of age stereotype crammed into one season and people treat it like the biggest loss in television history.
>not playing the each movement twice so you create your own double repeatngmi!!
>>131763534You miss the point entirely. Yes, it's made up of tropes, but what makes it good is the execution and the quality of the cast, both of which are top-tier. It's not high art but for what it is, it's as good as it gets.
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrPZ4Twn_00&list=OLAK5uy_kTOdRb5perllwLpH6QbwAzrjt3dfjC81w&index=13
>>131763630>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TALK ALL THE TIME
>>131763576Either I'm really in the mood for Beethoven's symphonies right now or this cycle is really good. Probably both.
>>131762858its the opposite. people will stop listening to new music because most of it will be AI slop. the great masters of western classical music will be listened to as long as civilization stands. Some meme composers like Schonberg might be phased out of the canon, however
>>131763870Good, because Schoenberg sucks cock.
now playingstart of Brahms: String Quartet No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 51 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoGIGTbniSE&list=OLAK5uy_mWc7ihEkty1WA6AVv5eZ6G84CZm0Z4EV8&index=2start of Brahms: String Quartet No. 3 in B-Flat Major, Op. 67https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzUsU2E-Hhg&list=OLAK5uy_mWc7ihEkty1WA6AVv5eZ6G84CZm0Z4EV8&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mWc7ihEkty1WA6AVv5eZ6G84CZm0Z4EV8>The Artemis Quartet pairs Brahms' intense First Quartet with his lighter-spirited Third Quartet, both works that the Artemis' cellist, Eckart Runge, describes as "remarkable and multi-faceted". He says that "Brahms marries a Romantic spirit with the structure and forms of Classicism. There is an almost symphonic approach in the writing, but at the same time the quartets are imbued with a sense of warmth, immediacy, friendship and love that is interwoven with a more spiritual, timeless beauty".
>>131763681Glenn Gould could have learned that lesson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G4NKzmfC-Q
>>131764227What is this reaction pic supposed to convey? You liked it, you hated it. What?
The more I listen to Solti's Ring, the less I like it.
>>131755311>Tchaik 6 for a breakupIt's like you want anon to kill himself
>>131764331If I wanted to drive someone over the edge of despair I'd tell him to listen to Elgar's cello concerto.
>>131764361If you really want to push someone over the edge get them to listen to almost any shostakovich piece.
Would it be accurate to say that Tristan und Isolde is Wagner's most lyrical opera? I remember reading that it was the only Wagner opera Maria Callas was interested in singing at the end of her life because of the influence of Bellini on it but she never got around to doing it.
Wagner sucks cock.
Wagner purified me.
If a double decker bus crashes into us, to die by your side is such a "heavenly" way to die. And if a ten tonne truck kills the both of us, to die by your side, well, the pleasure, the "privilege" is mine.
>>131754821jej
>>131765173Sounds about right.
You know how they have books full of recommend classical pieces?They'd be doing listening posterity more of a favour by producing an encyclopedia of classical fluff, listing specifically all the shit that doesn't require a listen. If it's in the book you know to avoid it.
>>131766020I can help start it:Everything by any french composer
>>131766051hate to embarrass you in front of all your friends buthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCp5XC2rsEM
Satiehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYlJHCRDXgQ&list=OLAK5uy_mSBAwpL4qeFWO4HCu3WdLVTIglC1SlVJk&index=1
>>131764251based
now playingstart of Scriabin: Piano Concerto in F-Sharp Minor, Op. 20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvOBVdApLQ&list=OLAK5uy_nlquGIm7aYv70fuquCgnGIA1AQY68tAno&index=2start of Medtner: Piano Concerto No. 3 in E Minor, Op. 60 "Ballade"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQj76JJuIj0&list=OLAK5uy_nlquGIm7aYv70fuquCgnGIA1AQY68tAno&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nlquGIm7aYv70fuquCgnGIA1AQY68tAno>For the present disc, Sudbin has written his own liner notes, stating with conviction his opinion that both concertos are 'absolute masterworks - unjustly underperformed and constantly underappreciated'. true?
now playingstart of Bruckner: Symphony No. 3 in D Minor, WAB 103 (1878 Version, Ed. Oeser)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJqlJBEAYbQ&list=OLAK5uy_mVUKQsfUnNJrVduVZh2wacLPwqmI5bf4Y&index=10start of Bruckner: Symphony No. 4 in E-Flat Major "Romantic", WAB 104 (1878/80 Version, Ed. Haas)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAPkvpEOvQQ&list=OLAK5uy_mVUKQsfUnNJrVduVZh2wacLPwqmI5bf4Y&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mVUKQsfUnNJrVduVZh2wacLPwqmI5bf4Y
>>131766709I like Medtner and am a massive Scriabin fan, but I wouldn't go so far as to call them masterworks. They're very good works, but not among the greatest piano concertos. The Scriabin one is especially a little formally clunky and not orchestrated amazingly. Prometheus is much better, if we pretend it's a piano concerto for a moment. Medtner concertos are all fine, but none are as good as Rachmaninoff 3.
is most classical music lost
>>131767296I'd estimate maybe a third to half is lost, but almost all of that would be third rate at best.
>>131767296If you exclude all the classical music that wasn't written down, it would still be a lot, definitely most. But even among the ones that aren't lost, only a fraction is getting performed, let alone recorded, which is more unfortunate.
>>131764237he doesn't know how to be funny so he is trying to post what he thinks is 4chan humor out of context. That's my guess.
>>131764237>>131767844The piece is Smetana’ Ma Vlast (My Fatherland) a Czech nationalist Symphonic Poem. It’s a celebration of Czech national pride, and Bohemian history, culture, and mythology. The image is Hyperborean Osaka, it’s just an edit of Osaka. It might be a stretch but Bohemia is closest to a Slavic “hyperborea”, a region defined in rich mythos and mystery developed across thousands of years. It’s just le funny image, but maybe you can see what I was going for, or not.
https://youtu.be/aIttAXLwR3s?si=85oYceA8tas8BrW3&t=172Right here at 2:52 is where I always expect the solo violin to enter...
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f1_bA0ov24&list=OLAK5uy_koYc1DvHtWCffIeogIdsZiBWTqYC3VaEc&index=1
>>131768244It does sound like a concerto, but I'd expect a piano to enter.
>>131768244Hmm, yeah, I see that.
>>131766051Franck is Belgian
>>131768099Get tested for autism
>>131767296No, I found it this morning.
*burps loudly and assertively* Chopin is the GOAT, bow ye heads ya peasants.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BTlw0GwIeg
Once you hear the subtlety in Rosenthal's phrasing, you might consider not listening to anyone else ever again for a minute.
>>131770552True. 62 no 2 is the greatest solo piano piece in history.
God I fucking love Prokofiev and all the other Russians composers, there's just no matchinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kREKLh4TO7o
>>131770833I love that sonata so much. Same with his violin sonatas and concertos. I used to release to them on repeat all the time when I was first getting into classical.
>>131747796Brahms’ Symphonies ranking:4=3=2=1 (they’re all great)
>>131771250kek based
>>131771250Based
>>131770603You say that like no other pianist has 'subtlety' to their playing lol
listening to bach symphony no. 3
Aaron Copland nighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvEPPzv_cq0&list=OLAK5uy_nt_VH36JiASFzoPDsYlJKccOQaR8ITikg&index=6
I love music :)
>>131772117yes :)
>>131772117I like to drink water and I would never ever kidnap strangers to torture them in my soundproof basement with a car battery and cable leads :)
>Modest Musorgsky >the music is actually brazenly ostentatious
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3H6L3PRuxE
why couldn't the English into solo piano music?
>>131772495>GF Handel>The melodies are out of control
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTJgk5FpFDg&list=OLAK5uy_lw47r9DDyqRgNgqJojvknx7J6EhzGHeLw&index=1
>>131773450it's weird because the english virginalists were fucking great; byrd probably the first great solo keyboard composer
>>131747796>compresses your kinothanks rick rubin
>>131773479Freire's Chopin Nocturnes are my favouritesAnyone know any records worth recommending with alternate tunings/temperaments? Currently on some Carrillo
>>131773450English culture never recovered from Puritanism.
>>131773450I don't listen to a single Anglo composer and never have. Artistically bankrupt nation.
Imagine thinking you have the right to voice your opinion on music, especially classical, when you yourself don't even play an instrument. The audacity!
>>131774333Anyone can play an instrument. No one can play half as good as the best of the old school, so almost no one currently alive has any right to voice their opinion, correct.
>>131774356>wah wah I would never be able to play as good as the absolute bestReally, that's the reason why you're a pathetic loser who doesn't play an instrument? Because you can't become one of the greats? What a childish and pathetic loser-mentality. From now on, don't even reply to me, it makes me feel dirty.
>>131774377I do play instruments lol. As I said, anyone can.
>>131774413Skin flute isn't an actual instrument.
>>131774447Your mom disagrees.
/classical/ discourse, ladies and gents
>>131774540actual conservatory students lurk /classical/ and they are not obliged to respect retards like you.
>>131774581conservatory student fingers typed this
>>131773450>*Blocks your path*
>>131774581enjoy Hell.
>>131773450depends on which eras you're talking about. renaissance, victorian, and early 20th century are quite good but the rest... eh, not so much.
>>131774682Pretty sure Wagner is in hell since only Jews go to Heaven.
>>131774701that's an unusual way to spell "Lutherans".
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OGVRIzdM1E
>>131774356...except for you of course :)
I kinda... don't really like Windgassen that much... to be honest...
Wagner killed music
now playingstart of Mahler: Symphony No. 5 in C-Sharp Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfbcgCiZI_Q&list=OLAK5uy_nUjrGXlI-wQ1IypFsEjBqxIQcX7jTCv7E&index=1https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nUjrGXlI-wQ1IypFsEjBqxIQcX7jTCv7E>His conception of the Fifth is surprisingly swift and free of expressionist angst. It calls to mind Kubelik’s in its emphasis on the long line and attention to details of structure... This interpretation doesn’t hit you in the solar plexus as this symphony can, but taken as a whole it’s extremely satisfying, well played, and very well recorded. ---- David Hurwitz, ClassicsToday, Rating: 9; 9
>>131774701schizophrenia hours
>>131774356not true, I play better than Cortot.
>>131775490his vocal acting is better than his singing.he embodies his characters super well, and his technique is great, but he has that kind of strange "old man playing a younger character" thing going on with the natural sound of his voice. Nothing to do with technique, it's just what his voice sounds like. I'm usually able to listen past it pretty easily and enjoy his performances without a problem, though.
>>131775559>>131774581>>131774701Just take a good look at this filth that is being uttered here. You can only imagine how harsh and solitary life must have been for an artist like Wagner back in his living days. Not only was he the Prometheus that brought the humans such magnificent revolutionary theater, he was also the natural force of goodness. His work brings out human positivity and empathy, it makes you go out and plant trees, build castles, donate to churches and charity, and be honest and just...this positive "vibe" that is imbibed in you from the enriched music of Wagner shows just how great the German was.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW5L5fviP4M
Faure sucks cock
>>131776261Sorry, meant to say I suck cock
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u_0YfcPgfU&list=OLAK5uy_kcPZ0HwtMFlJFq_Ax6qf9F1FPswtUxul8&index=1
Schläfst du, Anon, mein Sohn?
Listening to Erwin Schulhoff's 5 pieces for string quartet rn. Holy shit, where has this been all my life: it's like a perfect, concentrated version of Viennese 20s decadence, light but wicked. Gonna listen to Honeck's orchestration later. Anything by Schulhoff I should check out?
Simply cannot decide which is worse faure or wagner.
>*hissssssss*music to my ears!
>>131778192Single best Beethoven quartet is Busch. Others can disappear, I probably wouldn't notice.
>>131778295you reductionists have to understand that all you accomplish when you say stuff like "X is the best ever and all other competition sucks completely" is making yourselves look ignorant and new to classical
>>131778453Yet we know much better than people who treat classical music as pop music and fail to recognize quality performance.
>>131775560when the trumpet repeats the opening measures and then the whole orchestra comes in at a faster tempo (5:16) it's one of the best moments of all of mahler's symphonies imo
>>131778690you don't know anything, you just want to pose as an intellectual
>>131779438Whatever makes you sleep at nights anon.
>>131779087That's certainly very good. For me, it's 3:00-4:00 in the Scherzohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmTgznGpoR0&list=OLAK5uy_nUjrGXlI-wQ1IypFsEjBqxIQcX7jTCv7E&index=3
>hissssssssYo man, you left your TV on the static channel, turn that shit off!!
>>131777925All I wanna add is I love how Honeck does the "pair obscure or contemporary piece with classic warhorse" thing
Reminder: if you aren't trying a new recording at least every other time you listen to a particular piece, you're doing yourself and the classical world a disservice.
nice recording you've got there, anonsure would be a shame if... if...*coughs loudly"
For me, it's Bernstein and Gould
>>131779669We do not negotiate with terrorists.
new>>131780019>>131780019>>131780019
the vagner meme
the kitty brunnhilde meme
