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>>2033337
Any good docs on shipmaking/shipbuilding companies that dont have to do with yachts or cruise ships?

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>>2033346
there's just a lack of ALL media when it comes to 3000+ GRT ships
where the fuck is my ship sim 2025?

>>2033346
>>2033365
you could probably find some good historical films, anyone in the business today is probably too corrupt to want the attention
as for geimu, I don't think anyone is autistic enough that they'd actually play a realistic simulation of journeying 7000 miles across the open ocean at an avg speed of 20mph, at least in train and truck simulators there's scenery

>>2033376
People play submarine simulators.

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>>2033365
>>2033376
Shipping would make a cool sim or strategy game if it focused on logistics, building/running ports, expanding and maintaining fleets, planning and dealing with market fluctuations, handling (or engaging in? lol) crime and smuggling, etc.
Maybe like an Age of Empires type game except youre trying to build a company like Maersk.

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post cool looking ships

>>2033382
Cool looking ship

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>>2033387

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>>2033388
>united states

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>>2033395
Here's a non-US ship for your liking

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I work in the canadian navy reserves but not in any engineering trade, is there any hope for me getting a Boat Job?

>>2033396
Green Japan has some cool boats.

>>2033377
in those you have to navigate minefields while dodging getting rocket-strafed and dive-bombed to torpedo enemy warships in service of the third reich, in your game you sail in a straight line across a feautureless expanse for 40 days and 40 nights consecutively and halfway through you have to wrench a leaking pipe shut
even if there were someone in the world autistic enough to actually play it they wouldn't be able to use it because the asymmetrical layout of the keyboard would cause them too much pain

>>2033454
People play Stormworks.

>>2033337
Why is everything so clean tho?

>>2033570
the flowery smell cleans the cabin

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>>2033380
>company like Maersk
Sorry I dont want to buy up respectable merchant fleets, fire all the competent workers and replace them with poojeets and Ivan

>>2033382
Thialf and Sleipnir. Worlds largest (number 1 and 2) Semi Sub heavy lifters.
Number 3 the Saipem 7000 might as well be called the 3500 since they done dropped the hook in Norway.

>>2033376
I agree anon, only a true autist (bridge officer) could stare out the window for endless hours and not go insane out of boredom.
Euro coastal/river shipping might actually be fun, tight schedules, narrow channels, tides really matter, actual maneauvring, with maybe one bowthruster (if you're a rich fuck) and you can actually see something else besides endless water.

Most of them are captain/owners so the money you earn in game can be used to upgrade your boat. I imagine stuff like big upgrades like extra power on the engine. Some stat boosts like a coffee machine giving +4 awareness and good cigarettes give +10 morale

what about sailwind? theres alot of doing nothing in that game, on the longer missions at least

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so what are the kind of people that post on /mg/?
deckhands
wheelsman
mechanical assistants
officers
engies
captains?

I am a wheelsman that just became 3rd officer

>>2033868
I can only tell you from my experience which is canada

Before you join your officer academy, work as a deckhand/able seaman (able seaman is what you want because it's closest to your goal)

When you go to school you will have so much more knowledge about literally everything (not the hard stuff that requires a lot of math but don't worry as long as you're not retarded you can do it) but the day to day operations and shit
plus the money as AB is good

so call the school or google what you need to work as a deck hand, do the courses and get your medical, get with the union or cold apply to companies, once you're onna ship ask the capt. if you can learn to steer and get him to sign a steering testimonial, take that to the govt and get your AB, work as an AB and then consider applying to officer academy

I promise you bro you'll be head and shoulders above everyone while having a lot of money and IN's with companies WHO actually are willing to pay for your schooling to boot definitely spam the office lady with email questions about the company paying for your schooling

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>captain tells me to tie the spring line
>it's winter
do I tell him

>>2033382
is this unironically the future of ships? are we gonna get decades of samey looking slipper-shaped slips with 90 degree bow angles and covered up front decks?

>2.5 days of travel
>2 of 3 flights delayed
>last flight with zero ac and smelly Arabs
>lost luggage
>stopped at customs
Been at my new ship for a couple days but it was rough getting here

how long is your bender you guys go on when you get off the ship?
I'm on week 2 here

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>>2033460
incredibly, unfathomably, extremely cringe and unbased

>>2034222
no because the material cost of a covered forecastle is high enough on such big vehicles that it's still something to hem and haw over the cost of and honestly it's not even desirable for most operating environments (they get hot in there unless you're in the arctic and even if you don't care about your deck hands the extra 0.00001w the capstain draws due to the marginally higher electrical resistance from existing at 35C instead of 20C matters to bean counters who know it will consume an extra 0.0000000001ml of fuel(theoretical, from power generation) per minute of operation)

>>2034330
when i was actively saying it'd be a week spent never sober once, then a week of recovery, then casual alcoholism just drinking heavily at night but being mostly functional in the day for several months

>>2033868
idk about UK laws and markets but if it's anything like canada basically you go do a two-year course at community college and then fail to get a job because none of the boomers running anything have retired yet. once they start to die you can get promoted from the Wendy's drive-through to 3rd OOW. but to get the certification itself, drop a grand in fees and books at your local college and it's yours in a couple of years
>comp sci
>on botes
useless; they do not routinely embark technical specialists for that kind of thing and to be an engineering officer you want to have done mechanical engineering, or at least elec eng. afaik usually deck officers in the private sector are also real engineers but junior officers

if you join the RN though i believe you just need a degree in literally anything. again, not 100%, but at least here everything but Engineering Officer doesnt require a specific degree and you get domain training to be basically just middle management for that department. the pipeline generally goes that once you're a trained bridge watchkeeper and too competent for that position anymore, your first "director level" position will be Deck Officer.

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>>2033693
wannabe IT guy in the navy (core trade is radioman)
I haven't sailed in a few years but will when I run out of old deployment money and still do small boat stuff at a reserve unit while I wait to go bankrupt from not working otherwise.

because i'm the only one clever enough keep a jacket at work, when they want to embark dedicated comms people I usually get pulled to freeze my ass off in the bote. it's gotten bad enough that i took some scrap material and rigged myself up a duty belt for all the crap i have to carry (usually at least 2 handset radios, a book of badly printed charts, another book of "tactical" information, and my various own larper gear like flashlight/knife/multitool/camera/etc.)

>>2033659
canal transits fucking suck actually, they're somehow both incredibly boring but you need to be constantly alert because if you fuck it up you don't die or anything but you do break something very expensive
and when you're underway you dont really have time to take in the scenery anyway so it being an endless expanse doesn't matter. if anything, it's less exciting the closer you get to shore because the waves stop being so big and in most places there aren't any cool landmarks near water. it's all beaches flowing into green hills wherever you go. sounds pretty but once you've seen one you've seen em all. it only gets interesting once you're in the traffic lanes in an urban area
>as for geimu
unironically >>2034499 play stormworks
its "career" mode is SAR focused but most people just make money number go up with shipping. the killer feature of the game is that you design your own ship block bly block so the endgame for most is abusing the game physics to make transsonic hydrofoil tankers

>>2034203
i didnt lol but i did smile warmly thanks anon

>>2034504
if I already work in commercial shipping as a mate could I transition into the navy or would I have to start at the bottom

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>>2034508
in canada at least theres something called PLAR (i dont remember what it stands for) but basically you can say "I have civilian training equivalent to a rank" and they waive all the courses you need for that rank. if there's other requirements you still need those but don't have to do the courses

but for just being a mate on a ship idk, i'm not a career advisor, but off the top of my head I would assume you can't actually bypass much -- trades training is pretty specific, the "generally be a sailor at all" course includes firefighting and CBRN training so you'd still have to do that, and the "on the job training" that covers all the ACTUAL general sailor stuff like line handling or knowing how to use a touchtone phone is stuff you have to do satisfactorily for a supervisor so your supervisor would probably want to see you do it instead of just reading your resume so you're in the manning pool with everyone else anyway

plus the only trade it would really matter for if you were a "mate" are boatswain and MARS (warfare) officer but both of those both have stuff that doesnt have a civilian equivalent but also MARS officers have to stand command board exams (literally just job interview shit tests before you're allowed to be in charge of the ship by yourself) and boatswains do all kinds of weird infantry-adjacent shit that's required for promotions so yeah you'd start at the bottom

even in terms of bridge hours, i dont think the military respects Transport Canada logbooks, and Transport Canada does not give a fuck if you have your gold anchor pin, you have zero sea time in their eyes because military and civilian standards are simply different. not better or worse -- they simply dont line up. like if someone asked "can you drive a forklift" and you go "I've been a crane operator..." theyre similar but just different

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>>2033382
This baby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GsSMfLYIQg
This stuff is scary, anyone seen any line accidents?

>>2034580
c/m broke his back
>at the wire winch controls
>linesmen letgo
>bringing in the wire
>wire gets stuck
>keeps heaving in
>wire suddenly frees
>massive snake
>face down on the deck with a broken back and arm

he's now a captain

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>>2034580
a dude i know lost a fingertip (not the whole nodule just got a big scrape) and while i wasnt around for it on my ship the chief boatswains mate almost got crushed by an improperly secured generator being hoisted up on the crane

>>2034600
it's a common joke that you can't even make chief without a few (criminal) charges and at least one divorce, but picrel is actual truth about changing operating procedures and getting extra gear to support those changes

>>2034574
How much does one of those cost?

>>2034580
I saw dockstaff throw the spring lines eye over a piling, it was a big enough eye that it got caught on the metal railing of the deck, and the railing got ripped off
There was a new guy doing that line and I'm glad he didn't stick his fingers in it to try and pull it off in time
Some other guy lost three fignertips one time but i wasn't there for that

>>2034615
>It was built in South Korea by Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (now Hanwha Ocean) in 2013 at a cost of €2.6 billion

>>2033868
There are engineering fast tracks but you're probably shit out of luck with compsci. 3 years for a cadetship isn't too bad.

Can someone please direct me to the sure answer for what the USCG and MSC have come to for the accelerated OS to AB requirements. My new CM is saying something totally different than what my last CM showed me in writing. I know it's the lowest AB endorsement but I'm positive MSC pays AB pay for them anyway.

>>2034627
Damn I kinda want one

>>2034574
is this one of those botes for refloating other botes

>>2034641
no one cares because the jump from OS to AB is not meaningful anyway, i dont think you even get paid much more

>>2034722
It's around a 50% pay increase

>>2034722
>higher pay
>less work
>work is actually important seamanship and not just bitchwork

lets go boys, 'nother 30 day contract

my bank account is full up I have no idea what to do with all this fkn money

Got discharged from the military over half a decade ago for mental health issues, how much of a hiccup would this be for getting a job in the maritime industry? I live near multiple ports and the tugs pay decent. My discharge reads condition not disability, however I was on anti psychs and anti depressants for a year after I got out. Have had a pretty steady work history ever since with great references. Any tips for getting my TWIC and all that with this stuff in mind?

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>>2033382

>>2034222
covered fo'c'sle suck arse

some of my best memories from working at sea are from standing by on the f'c'sle with my mates going into or out of port.

>>2035093
how are war ships just so fucking cool...

>>2035018
Call around you'll never get an answer for something this specific here

>>2035106
they suck to work on tho

>>2035018
no one is hiring at all
gotta wait for all the boomers to die first

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Real niggas always tie a water bowline

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>>2033382

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>>2033388

>>2035958
Singapore?

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>bottle is empty
>joint is still burning
>think about all the good old times
>things will nerver be the same
>verifciation not rqequird
Yep, time to turn my life around

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Uh-oh boyos, guess where I've found myself...

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I'm thinking of remustering to a new trade (switching jobs within the navy) since I think I've gotten about all I can out of my current trade in terms of the stuff I actually like; even if I climb the ranks, IT Monkey positions are in short supply, and as you rank up it is very administratively-focused and the only exciting part is radio spectrum management and maybe a little bit of satcom administration. And by "administration" i mean that seriously, lots of paperwork and meetings.
Should I go
>Combat Systems Engineering (local electro-mechanical handyman technician when they can't fly a Lockheed contractor in)
>Combat Information Systems Operator or Aerospace Control Officer (detection and target resolution for surface and airborne contacts)
>Intelligence Officer (OSINT collator)
>Logistics Officer (logistics officer)
>say fug it and do subs for more money in my current trade (will have to quit smoking for those more-than-three-day dives)

I never took my GI bill equivalent free school money so I was thinking of picking a new trade, taking courses essentially for that trade, going either officer or at least high-paid technician once I have the degree, and then having both the degree and back-up plan of staying mil forever.

And more than that, I haven't said this to my own bosses; how to I approach my boss (who is quite gung-ho about the trade) and say "I don't like what I am doing. I have reached the limit of what I can do usefully, or at least the limit of what I genuinely care about and can do in confidence and good spirit; there's a will, but there's a void. I'd like to shadow a couple other departments in preparation to quit."

>>2036638
Get gloser, nigga

Probably going to be a long shot here, but anyone else here /Callan/?

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Day 12 anchored waiting for berth, just yesterday had the second officer "explain" to me that you can't do compass error calculations when the ship is anchored. When I asked him what the fuck he's talking about he said the ship needs to change positions and be moving... it was past midnight and I was tired so I just told him whatever you say dude and left. How do you even talk to someone who just has no idea what variation and deviation are?

>>2037303
how were you planning to do those calculations/corrections? I've heard a lot of junior officers do it by taking a fix on a bunch of things ashore and yeah you need to be moving meaningfully to do it that way. it can be done while stationary but that's more of a land nav method and even then to get proper accuracy you need to do it a few times from different points (not much different from how you'd do it underway) OR do it once from a very well known point, which a ship at anchor is not (a drift circle isn't that big but is still not zero)

if you meant just pushing some buttons on the ECDIS and doing it by GPS or some shit then idk

Did you ever had sex onnaboat with a girl you worked with?

I fucked a cook and a 2nd mate so far

>>2037329
It's easy to have sex with any female who is on a boat with you, because of the implication

>>2037329
No, I have never had sex

>my 62yo father is more and more bitter over the fact that nobody wants to hire him due to his age
Not that I want y'all to do crewing stuff but do you know of ANY company that is looking to hire C/E with 20+ years of experience?
Please,
for my own sanity.

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>>2037310
>how were you planning to do those calculations/corrections?

By getting a gyro/magnetic azimuth of a celestial body and comparing it to its true azimuth. This method is completely independent of the ship's movement and only requires the view of a celestial body you can identify. You have your position, time and nautical almanac for the true azimuth.

>>2037340
ah. the latter method. well
>OR do it once from a very well known point, which a ship at anchor is not (a drift circle isn't that big but is still not zero)
if i were a pirate in the 1700s i'd consider it sufficient but niggas got gps now and if you have that why are you shooting by hand and if it's broken while you're at anchor you may as well go in for repairs (and take your shots from the berth where you are about as close to stationary as a ship gets while in service)

>>2037354
>why are you shooting by hand and if it's broken while you're at anchor you may as well go in for repairs

because most Port State Control inspectors will take at least a glance at the compass error log to check when the last one was done and there's not much else to do at night during anchor

>>2037382
I feel like most inspectors would be satisfied with "it was last done last time the boat was actually stationary" and looking it up I couldn't find much but the panama canal (which one would expect to have more stringent requirements than average) specifies a period of one year and automatic failure for being more than 5* out upon inspection; 12 days at anchor with a known-working gyro won't kill you and if it was fucked you'd have grounded on the way in.

I'm being aggressive but honestly, it's good practice to check it regularly even if just for navigation fundies practice, but I don't buy that your way of doing it is sufficiently precise. It's is reliant on a moving body (your own ship at anchor) being a good reference point, which is not necessarily the case.

As well, your reason for doing it being to prepare for inspection is suspect since to be allowed entry to port at all all that administrative stuff should have been sorted out in advance, being in-shore you have visual channel markers and other strong danger-marking buoy presence and a requirement for strong visual watch even if it weren't, and doing it then would be wasted effort since if your logs expose it as being only a little out of date a lapse can be chalked up to undue time at anchor (wow two days, you spent twelve waiting) and if it's long out of date that's an organizational failure (and an expensive one if you spent a week at sea a few degrees off track for no reason)

>>2037385
Lmao bro you've never met PSCOs in Egypt and Africa aboard a bulk carrier crewed by slavs and filipinos

>>2037329
fuck man ship sex is best sex

>>2037329
im gay and ship food makes my butt hurt enough as is

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fish farm vessel

never seen anything like it

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>>2038090

>>2038090
>>2038091
implessive

>>2034721
No. She could probably do that, but it'd be a waste of money to hire the PS for a job like that. She's a multi-purpose vessel for the offshore industry, generally suited for comissioning and decomissioning of assets. She can do pipelaying work, carry platforms, carry parts of platforms, has cranes to assist installation/removal,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SCMEGJbpRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hD1xC8p44I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmrbVKBg7xM

>>2035926
el abominacion

I wish I were my dad because I could post here as a /harbor pilot/

Can I work on a ship seasonally? I work in what seems like a similar field (trains) and my job pays well but I am young enough that I don't want to have only experienced this single industry my entire life.

I only have to work may-september to keep my current job, so what path can i take to end up working a few month long stints on a ship during winter? I won't work in commercial fishing and location is far northwest USA if that matters.

>spend 10 weeks in hotel waiting assignment
>get aboard and spend 10 weeks in port
Nice

>>2039026
I thought conductors were always working year round, where and what company do you work for where you only work seasonally doing that?

One of the reasons I'm looking into Maritime is because I don't want to work all year round just half the year or little more.

pissing meteorology exam tomorrow, course has been taught by a wildly incompetent ESL.

After having waited many months for SIU to get me into a class for their apprenticeship program, I recently got an email telling me basically 'fuck off, we're full'. What are my options at this point, keeping in mind that I don't actually live near a union hall (or in a coastal port city for that matter) where I can sit around for days / weeks looking for an OS job?

>>2038090
>>2038091
neato

>>2039148
alaska
you can work year round after a few years, but it's only necessary to work two winters to get your conductor at first and then about five years later your engineer license. overall a great rr to work for compared to the lower 48, i wouldn't consider working for a class 1.

>>2039214
Oh that makes sense I've read seafood processing is seasonal up there like some other industries in Alaska. I guess I could fly in to work and fly out when I'm off season maybe unless the job requires state residence.

>>2039224
nobody cares about your residence but some companies are anxious about hiring people who might quit because it turns out they just hate living here. lots of seasonal workers are from out of state or country. idk anything about commercial fishing except that a lot of them are missing digits and the job sounds shitty, so i'm not the guy to ask about that.

>>2039198
Dredging, and barge towing. No credentials required, but still counts towards sea time.

>>2039297
I do live on a fairly major river wih barges etc so that's probably a good idea. Gotta look into what companies do that and see if theyre hiring I guess

>>2039391
Kirby, Crowley, and Marquette are some of the biggest names in towboating in the gulf and inland, so you might try there first, but also know this as a protip, that as an OS, you likely won't be getting on a tug like that unless you get lucky in a hiring spree. If those fail, you may end up having to do the old fashioned door to door knocking, because believe it or not, a lot of towboats are small-business owned, and usually always hiring fresh bodies.

Definitely try to aim for the big companies, as those big names will definitely set you up for future consideration in the waterways, but don't knock anything unless you hear it's absolutely abysmal.

But again, like I said, dredging also does count toward sea time, so working on a dredge might be an option for you too. But know that these inland and river barges and boats only qualify you for national ratings/endorsements, not STCW, if that's what you're aiming for.

>>2033675
Sailwind is cool. Managing the canvas really makes up for the monotony of moving cargo.
>>2033693
Hi mate im also a 3rd mate but i only check back here occasionally because it moves so slow
>>2034641
I quit MSC over a year ago so I don't know the status of their OS to AB thing but >>2034829 is right and >>2034722
is stupid

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>>2033693
junior deck off

>>2035093
Impressive, very nice picture.

>>2034574
years ago i saw an allseas pipelaying ship, they are really BIG.

>>2038090
gross

For DDE 4k and third license tests are the tests pretty similar to the sample exams they have on the website? every unlicensed test ive taken has been almost the same.

>>2033693
Check in here occasionally from time to time. Right now an OS in dredging, but company is sending me to class to get my AB soon. Unfortunately it's only for the national endorsement for inland and near-coastal. My goal is to get my STCW tickets, but that's so hard nowadays with blue water companies refusing to hire OS to rise up the hawsepipe. Anyways, I'm learning a shit ton of actual maritime seamanship in almost crunch time mode. The job demands it. So it's not all bad.

My goal is to eventually attain my mates license, probably stopping at second mate. Possibly chief, but not captain. I can't bear the thought of all that responsibility and liability. Thinking long and hard about saving up to go to academy for that to may e "shortcut" my way in. Idk.

>>2040556
DDE 4k has less modules than DDE AHP, but I think 3AE is the same as DDEAHP.

The practice tests tend to have a good mix of questions, you may not see those exact questions but each subject within a module multiple questions about it.

Like the practice test has the question about calculating resistance in a parallel circuit. There’s two more questions with a similar circuit, one asks for capacitance and the other is resistance in series.

I have never in my career needed to calculate total resistance or capacitance. So just memorize the answer or blow it off and learn the other information that actually matters.

>>2040897
right, i'm pretty good at that stuff but some of these questions about things like steam or exact parts of engines ive never even seen on a ship are why im wondering if the questions on the practice exams are more common than any other in the question bank. i have the practice software with the entire bank of a thousand some questions and have had luck on these tests before just studying the practice tests and was wondering if it would be the same for a licensed test or if they try to make it harder.

Do you fucking allow chicks on boats? Jesus fuckk

>>2040601
Work in tourism and the boss is also shitty with giving out any training that might even see me doing familiarisation work over my break with other company assets. 14 months or whatever it took me to get put through Elements of Shipboard Safety which as the name suggests is incredibly basic, not even General Purpose Hand.

Might be getting put through Master V (<24 metres coastal) but as with you, purely national qualification for near-coastal, and it might well be idle talk.

Thinking of going into a joint degree program provided by my local U and Newcastle U in naval architecture and marine engineering because its the only college that's giving me a scholarship. I'm coming from an electronics and computer diploma so it will be a whole different ball game jumping into a mechanical field. Can't decide if I should take the scholarship or work a couple years before reapplying but at that point I'll be unlikely to chance upon a scholarship. Any advice from old timers for this zoomie? Cheers, anonas

>>2033693
i'm a mechanical engineer (not a very good one) that just likes marine stuff.

>>2039729
these things are cool

How do you guys balance having a gf with being away for months at a time?

>>2041363
that doesn't look quite right

>>2033868
Hello anon, I just completed a UK graduate fast track cadetship to become an ETO. For this you normally need a degree in Electrical and/or Electronic Engineering or Electrical Power Engineering. However, if the modules that you undertook at uni match what the maritime colleges and MCA need (normally some maths and electronics modules), they will let you in on the course. Only 2 out of the 4 maritime colleges in the UK offer Graduate Cadetships for ETOs (South Shields and Warsash) so you'd be limited on where you would be sent.

My advice would be to apply for a graduate cadetship with sponsoring companies that accept grad cadets and pay more for graduates (I dont have a full list, but Im pretty sure Carnival UK and the Royal Fleet Auxilliary do at least).
My grad cadetship only lasted 14 months with most of that being the sea time and a few months of actual college.

In regards to becoming a deck or engineering officer, there is no grad route for Deck OOWs atm and Engineer OOWs need a degree in mechanical engineering or naval architecture (I think) for the graduate fast track

>>2041305
if you have a girl you actually like just quit this shit, it's not possible unless you have known her since you were teenagers

>>2037329
yes and she destroyed me mentally and i could barely focus on work cause i disregarded a core tenant of sailing (which a black OS told me my first day on a ship) which is "there will be pussy on ships, but don't cuff". Anyway I'm away from her now and she still destroys me. Totally worth it though.

just remember, the captain is more afraid of YOU than YOU are of him ;)

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BREAKING: Great Lakes ore ship nearly hits the wall under the bridges at Port Huron after losing control temporarily
https://youtu.be/YhancNZlYrY

wait so you have to share cabins?? that's a human rights violation

>>2033693
4eng checking in from the strait of hormuz

Literal hobo schizo here

Best way to live on a boat?

>>2041615
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>>2041738

need to learn colregs and lights/shapes/buoys by Friday. utter woke nonsense.

Any of you guys work on workboats pushing barges? i do deep sea as an engineer and was thinking i wanna do that for a better work life balance, how is it and what deck certs do i need?

Pls redpill me:

I'm currently looking to buy a house. Kinda boring. So an old itch hit:
How about I just buy a boat and live on that? I have absolutely no experience boating save for the little freshwater sailing I did as a kid and an old freshwater motorboating license I have.
So anyways: I was thinking if I do this well documented thing of getting hold of an old freefall lifeboat, I can use the remaining money to fix it up and equip it. Thats easily within the house budget. And I hope the design and purpose of a fully enclosed lifeboat will help save me from fucking up big time and drowning out in the ocean.
I checked mooring fees in europe (in case its illegal to just do that wherever you want) and it seems that an annual fee again is well within what you expect to pay for house related service, such as tax, trash, sewage, watwr and electricity.
So uhm, what can go wrong? Why doesn't everyone just boatmax?

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>>2042416
Best way to go is with a Dutch barge or broad beam riverboat but no matter how you slice it, boat ownership is expensive.

>>2042446
How comes? That is if you live on it and the cost of opportunity is all costs associated with a house?
Suppose I was a pretty good handyman, getting it lifted out to sand down and reapply fresh anti-fouling and if needed gelcoat wouldn't be an issue. All other upkeep is either the same as a house (furniture, renovation etc.) or seems to amount to the same as youd spend for a house, see the above comparisson of mooring fees vs. property tax and such things.
So, whats the expensive part? I'm not saying I don't trust you and I do understamd that usually it's how small things add up. But what are those?

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>>2042464
Managing fuel, sewage and water is a huge pain, assuming the boat even has those amenities in the first place. Most boats lack insulation and if you insulated them to the same degree you'd insulate a house you'd give up a lot of interior space. There a big safety issues with retrofitting fuel heaters and stoves into boats, especially with regards to carbon monoxide poisoning and explosions from leaking gas pooling in bilges. That's why in general if you're going to boatmaxx it's best to go with a boat that's designed to be lived in long term. Best of luck

>>2042471
Thank you for advice. I've considered those things prior and insulating the vessel is part of the plan, as it's unlikely I'll get hold of a used arctic FELB. I know I wouldn't be the first person insulating a FELB.
I expected to be able to avoid heating through the virtue of a boat being mobile and as such you can always move. I haven't heated a space nor consumed any fuel for more than a decade so perhaps I'm also more used to single digit celsius nights than most people. But I do see that I would have to violate my convictions regarding the fuel and motoring issue if its going to be a used lifeboat. I did plan photovoltaic cladding of the top and batteries but without having done any math on the propulsion subject I doubt a full charge is even going to get you from one marina to the next in one hop. So fuel might be a neccessity sometimes.
Guess I will have to look deeper into it since so far it seems to be a viable contender.

>take STCW tankerman class a year ago
>go to renew MMC
>say i have to retake class to keep my cert and original class cert isnt valid
Fuck these stupid cocksuckers

I finally got my 120 watches done and assessments and in only 18 months of employment which is quick for MSC. New coast guard requires that I don't need deck assessments for AB special and I'll be getting that juicy AB unlimited pay at MSC. Things are looking up after a rough half decade for me. I wonder if I'll get the 25% AB retention bonus as well

>>2042475
Enclosed lifeboats will typically have a solar trickle charger and at least 2x 12v batteries anyway so some charging of electrical doodads and gubbins is possible.

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>>2042583
Well as far as I know: After removing the equipment designed to barely keep 60+ people alive and in place in high waters the whole thing might be more than 1 ton lighter. Guess it will roll like one of those man sized inflatable bubbles. So I imagine at that point I not only can make a lot of installations, I even need to if I dont want to decorate the whole thing with my last meal. So the plan was to fill most of the bilge with batteries, hook up to a complete solar system and also plan for a feature to be able to charge of the grid. You can probably plaster 20 sqm of panels onto a large FELB. Perhaps throw whatever Volvo Penta I'll find out, put an electric in an just test the range instead of scratching my head over a calculator for days only to find out the margin of error grows to 1000%. After that I can still make a final choice, diesel, electric or perhaps electric and diesel-electric backup.
So that will take care of all those electrical needs that pale in comparisson to the power needed for propulsion.

>>2042592
>things that will never happen for 200, Alex

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>>2042592
Do you plan on actually touring this thing or just mooring somewhere and living it large? An RV style solar setup should be perfectly achievable but I think I'd be more concerned about how to store fresh water and waste/black water. Obviously you could do what all Americans do and just use bottled water for everything lol. For electric PTO from the engine I'd just use whatever the installed plant and alternator is - usually a very reliable naturally aspirated 2 cylinder marine diesel 4-stroke. Have you got a link to any boats you're thinking of buying?

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>>2042599
I mentioned that would be where I plan to dump my house money into, if I end up convinced its way cooler than a house. Else I'll just get the house. So the use case is similar.
I imahine the thing to be more like a trailer, you know? Move it somewhere, towed if really need be. Cinch her down et voila. Really need to move? You'll find a way I guess. Prefferably under own power but if I need to pay someone to tow or trailer it so be it.
Id prefer to do away with the combustion engine entirely but like I said, I'd have to check how feasible that is while I'm going and then decide.
Guess it's illegal to just dump black water into the marina? Most have those amenities, right? So youd only ever need to dump when youre out at sea, which as explained I dont even really plan to. But I know that some are cruising perfectly fine on a converted lifeboat and I believe the design features of a lifeboat make it actually a pretty smart choice.
Fresh water? Again: Marina. Also desalination. I'm aware that the marina will markup electricity, water and everything else.
Link: Well theres a brit who is trading in decomissioned oil rig life boats.
https://commercial.apolloduck.com/boat/commercial-vessels-life-boat-for-sale/282352
I wouldnt want anything chinese. I'd value the hull condition and quality above all else. Just like with other assets: Cosmetics are cheap, foundations are not. Something like picrel perhaps.
>>2042596
well duh. I'm asking here how stupid the idea is. And I still expect to end up with the house. I just fear I have become old and boring and buying a house would prove it. But who knows, what if theres actually no issues I havent considered and am not fine with. Well other than the fact that I dont even know if id sleep well on a boat.

>>2042605
Jesus, a 20 person lifeboat... I work on 40 person boats and can't stand being on them for more than half an hour. Judged by the merits of boat-ness, they handle like dogshit, have zero visibility and are very harsh to ride in while the engine is running. Loads of vibration and you really need hearing protection. Are you in the UK?

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>>2042609
Aparently the largest type within reach is 12,5 meters long. This would then be rated for up to 90 people in a survival situation. I am amused by the idea of 90 oil rig workers, all in full gear, squeezing in and buckling up.
Anyways. Point is: I wouldn't want a very small one, like a 20 person boat, from what I have seen I think the 60 person ones are abundant and also a size that seems nice.
Picrel is one of the very stubby ones furnitured as a sort of hotel room or whatevs. That would be way too small.

>>2042599
What happened here?

>>2042605
>Living in a lifeboat
Kek, just stop now

This has got to be one of the more retarded ideas I have seen so far

>>2042653
>>2042649
house it is. Thanks guys. I'm still interested in the reasons tho, if anyone cares to elaborate.

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>>2042616
Big end bearing let go and threw the conrod through the liner and cam gallery.

Dont like going into lifeboats at all, theyre always hot as shit inside. I barely even bother checking all the shit regularly unless I really have to.

>>2042678
Based neverdoer of weeklies

>>2042668
Why not just buy a yurt tent for like 5 grand, you can barely move in lifeboats and theyre hot as shit and useless as a pleasurecraft

>>2033337
My ships in dry dock right now, I'm just sitting around all doing fuck all whilst the contractors do everything, at most I just show them around. Most of these fuckers are Romanians and so I'm not surprised that a lot of our tool cupboards and engineering stores have been ransacked

>>2042791
Your job was to prevent the gypsies from looting the ship, genius

>>2042683
There's always next week

>>2033337
That cabin looks like fure hazard waiting to happen; lights aren't even led, so I guess that's old as fuck.

>>2042879
I genuinely hate string lights and anyone who sets up string lights and I always associate them with complete horder crackheads who string them all over their rooms full of shit waiting to catch on fire because those are the only types of people I know IRL who have string lights

>>2042880
Cabin also has a light switch right next to the sink (over here you can't even have then in the bathroom, on homes, only outside; you can have a low power, non-grounded shaver/drier socket, tought), so I guess whoever designed the boat hadn't that much better judgement...

>>2042882
>(over here you can't even have then in the bathroom, on homes, only outside
Where I live you can do this but the switch must be on a circuit with a GFCI

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Been a minute fellas

Finally got my 3M license, finishing all the OICNW bullshit now, fuck these stupid cash grab classes, and fuck the CG for implementing these new bullshit pieces of paper for licenses, at least the book felt like it was worth something.

Guys, How are diesel tanks washed in small vessels? such as small offshore vessels. I know in big oil tankers crude oil and hot water is used.

>>2043162
great, congratulations mate.

>>2033337
>girl
>cabin
ngmi

Anyone here work for Centerline Logistics? They're trying to poach me from my current place, but I wanna see if I can get some Anon opinions before I make any definitive decisions. I'm more than 75% prepared to say yes, but there are things keeping me at my current gig

went for my medical renewal and the nurse looked shocked at the blood pressure reading, it might be over for me

>>2043337
Tell her she gave you the horn so your reading was abberantly high, she might fudge it for you

saudis are fucking retarded and im sick of them

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Kino

>>2043400
didn't work, got blacklisted from all seaman clinics in the country, said something about "harrassment" in the report whatever that means

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3 iranian drones just flew over my vessel, literally

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>>2044642
I was in Ukraine back in mid-late February, watched the night sky light up with drones and AA every night. 2 Days before departure zignigs targeted the city nearby the port, was spooky as fuck all night as I kept watching explosions in the sky in the distance.

>>2044971
Holy shit, sounds scary.

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>>2045273
When the air raid sirens go off the cargo operation stops and the entire port goes lights out probably to lower light pollution, was scary as fuck at first. It got annoying real fast because the air raid alerts would go off several times per day but the more we were there the intensity of the attacks increased every night. I saw a S-300 or whatever equivalent fire off a rocket not too far from out ship into the sky and thats when I kinda realized the danger lmao. At some point it just became normal and at times even comfy because the alerts went off and I would tell my guys to get out of the deck and inside, we'd warm up nicely because it was cold as shit and I'd scroll through my phone sitting on the staircase.

>>2045461
Did you get double salary for the days spent in ukr waters or fixed bonus?

>>2045482
150USD bonus per day, fixed amount same for each crew member regardless of rank/rating

>>2045539
You got kind of ripped off.
We are working 30nm offshore haifa and got double pay

so many spooks here

Where are the safety start up’s not the capitalist start ups

Also autonomous

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>>2035958

Anybody know what the deal is if I want to work on the Great Lakes? I've read these threads before, seems since 2022 the maritime schools are flooded and hiring is as fucked as anywhere else. Got no prospects on land except for an IT gig I hate and could lose at any minute, and rent is fucking me so hard I might as well go back home to my parents and live on the boat for half the year anyhow.

>29, M
>no gf
>no money for hobbies/education after bills
>shitty associates in IT
>gout
Not sure if any barges or tugs will take me, but at this point I'll take whatever I can get. The money I make atm is 25/hr, but after taxes the monthly income amounts to $3500. Monthly bills are ~$1200, add food+gas it becomes ~1500. So total take home for myself is ~2000 a month, is this better than the industry average or am I making mid-level seaman wages?

>>2046875
idk what the US doctors look for in medical examinations, but as long as the gout isn't something that's hindering your ability to work it shouldn't be a problem, but that's not something that's come up in my examinations so I have no idea if it's something to worry about

money wise I think the uscgmm courses cost so worst case you might have to live at parents place for a bit while saving

https://www.dco.uscg.mil/national_maritime_center/
https://www.dco.uscg.mil/nmc/merchant_mariner_credential/

Captain barges into my cabin jokingly saying he is doing a cabin inspection and messes around for 5 minutes with my wireless headset. I give him two beers and he fucks off not even once coming to bother my in my evening anchor watch.

>>2047242
he was trying to flirt

>>2033337
Is this worth going to if I know nothing about working on a boat and don't have a twic/MMC?
https://sealiftcommand.com/career-fair/7c6cb0b8e3dce46864d50f483d628391f1f6f5398a8404003ce8d12150f563b2

Hey guys,
Got out of the navy a few years ago (BM) and have missed working on ships but not the navy itself. Im interested in doing mariner work but ideally would want to live in a different country and potentially gain residency which i know is a whole other conversation. What countries might have comparable salaries to those in the US for ABs (if that's what their called outside the US). Is it even worth considering this or should I just stick to US companies and nomad during my time off? I plan on working for a US company for a while just to have non military experience on paper but ultimately I would like to move within the next 3 years, but I know things change.
Thanks guys

>>2048659
No word on switching countries?

I am US coast guard veteran and want Italian citizenship

>>2033337
Is this the mariner general?

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Sunday barbecue on the Pacific ocean. I go to change the Chief on the bridge so he can eat and he doesnt show up until a hour and a half later when it's almost time for my 20-00 watch.

Sunday ruined.

>>2042416
>I have absolutely no experience boating save for the little freshwater sailing I did as a kid and an old freshwater motorboating license I have.
I have even less experience boating and that sounds like a perfect reason not to do it. With a land house the only crash you need to worry about is a market crash.

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When this happens

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Use these

>>2033365
>>2033337
https://www.youtube.com/@SeaTube/videos

>>2049208
What country are you from?

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Some photos from my recent hitch in new york

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>>2033693
Long time 2nd officer here, Just got my Chief Officer license.

>>2035926
That looks unnecessary complex. I will not do knots that take more that 3 seconds to untie. I got better things (paperwork and writing logbooks) to do.
>>2036192
Sometimes things will never be the same no matter what you do...
>>2037303
I get it man. Don't even bother. I had a fucking superintendent captain tell me that the deviation is the gyro compass deviation. You fucker it says magnetic compass deviation right there on the deviation card. Fucking clown.

>>2041305
>>2041438
Eh, I am married with a kid, and so was my father with 3 kids. It works just fine, feels great having someone waiting for you at home. But not all women are made for seamen's wives. It takes a special stock. Others will just separate/cheat on you. But if you find the one, it's like a dream. I wouldn't try it with American women tho, these bitches look like they are crazy.

>>2042416
Free fall lifeboat? First of all, they are tiny for a house. Secondly, they get crazy hot in the summer. Thirdly, they would need extreme modifications to be livable in any sense. I don't see how anyone else except a hobo could live in one.
>>2042605
Do you realise how small this is? You can only stand up in one spot only for God's sake. Cease with this tomfoolery

>>2042683
>>2042830
Ahhh glad to know there is a club for this. Let me join! Although this Saturday I will do it!

>>2051155
Looks nice fag. Do you enjoy working there?

>>2041305
girlfriend?

anyone here a 88k?

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>got accepted
My NEETdom era is coming to an end...

>>2051155
kewl photo
Smartphone or camera?

>>2051568
camera, it's an old Canon 7D, still takes a pretty good picture though

>>2051567
How long you been a NEET? Least with Maritime you can be a pseudo-NEET with long breaks off unless you are going to do tug around a port.

>>2051616
Just 3 months after finishing uni, so for some it's a normal break. In theory, there were jobs that I could take, but I was looking for something decent, not a 6-month contract on shitty vessel with a cheap flag.
That time flew really fast.

>>2051629
>3 months after finishing uni
That's barely NEET that is like a long vacation, I've been a NEET 5 years and counting but there are people on 4chan that easily got that beat. Stopped working 2020 due to the lockdowns, haven't bothered going back since but eventually I will have to. Got people that help me lie on that gap at least.

Just got my MMC. No STCW, yet, but I've applied for everything on the great lakes and some ferries.
Tugs seem easier to get into fast. Are there any tug companies that do longer hitches >30 days?

How to make a good first impression on board? Now that I think about my previous contracts, I screwed it up several times by being kind of silent and reclusive.

dead...

>>2052450
Most are probably at sea right now.

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Hey anons brit fag here. On my final trip as a cadet before I go for my OOW orals. Any other Brits doing orals soon? Going to try and get myself a deck hand job in the meantime.

As another topic, what's people's thoughts on autonomous shipping? It's pretty scary that our jobs probably won't exist in 30 years. I'm in offshore, platform supply and anchor handling, so I'm hoping these will be among the last areas to face automation. Still, need to be prepared to maybe jump industries later on.

>>2049208
That's bullshit. Fuck the chief. Why are chiefs always wankers. What country you both from?

>>2052569
Don’t worry about it. The money in the automation industry is in selling the dream, not selling the product. Once you go from theoretical to practical the investment dollars dry up. Look at what has happened to the robotaxi companies once they went live?

The real world is a scary place and it’s much easier for these companies to exist in fantasy than deal with everyday entropy at the capability of a trained human. Once these technologies stray from the controlled environment of a factory or computer they struggle and once those struggles trickle down to investors that money flees to some other company who hasn’t yet been humbled by those struggles.

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>>2052582
Very good point actually anon. Trains could be fully automated arguably a lot easier than maritime but they're not. Robotaxis proved to be a meme. Only thing I do fear as a Brit is eventually getting pushed out of all work by flips and ukies. For now though the jobs are there so it's stupid of me to be scared lol.

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Anyone got any favourite ship types to work on? Anchor handling is pretty rad.

>>2052586
Your anxiety is the emotional reaction these companies are looking to use as a marketing tool. That’s all it is. They just want to feel like you’re going to be replaced because investors see that and get very excited.

>>2043169
Why the fuck would we wash them

Hey guys, I have a queston. So since the start of this year I've been working on a specialized utility vessel in dredging, and while it works on inland waters, it is also classed as an STCW vessel per the COI. So even though I'm not sailing in STCW waters, does my time on this vessel count towards STCW time? Or does that only count if you're sailing on STCW waters?

Come the end of October, I will have 360 accumulated days to qualify for my AB Limited national endorsement, but I was hoping that if this time is valid STCW time, I could instead go for my STCW AB Special instead or concurrently, which would give me better options, cause I really don't like inland. It's just not where I want to be on the water, as cool as my boat is.

Also I was planning on going straight for my 100 ton masters inland too, which only requires the 360 days on any vessel on any waters, which would definitely provide with more options too. End goal is I'm trying to eventually get to my 3rd Mate's license through the Hawsepipe.

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>>2052596
'Ere lads, look at this silly yank! Not even a proper salt water sailor!

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>>2052598
shut up im trying ok ;_;

Also technically I am, because we're right there on the edge of the coast.

>>2052599
Ah you're gonna make it man. If you do want to hawsepipe though, though I don't know everything within the US syllabus, I would say start studying fucking now. Sooner you can commit some of the COLREGs to memory the better for you.

Also fuck the engine cadet in the cabin right next to me. Can hear the day fuck stomping about and laughing like a retard on the phone though the bulkhead. Prick.

>>2048659
Unironically ask the merchant Marine reddit.

No discussion on the Mississippi?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_FY6_5326w

I heard the bottom tier cans were damaged and the higher tier cans were overweight.

>>2053512
I'm happy it was a ZIM ship and they were ZIM cans. Fuck Israel.

>>2053513
It's only chartered by ZIM. Owners are Norwegian.

Originally ordered by Germans who fixed the ship to ZIM for 7 years BUT extremely front loaded with most of the money up front because they didn't trust ZIM.
Then sold to Norwegians who kept the charter.

>>2038090

>What could possibly ago wrong here
>billions of gene manipulated fish escape after a crash and dillute the natural gene pool forever, spreading instable genetics and diseases

Thanks China

>>2051200
>Sometimes things will never be the same no matter what you do...
I need to finish the formation but it's not easy

>>2053512
Good video here. This guy knows his shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEg8EvG9o4w