We won. This marks the start of a new era for public transportation.
>limit choices>steal people's moneyWinning!
https://archive.is/JmOr0 because OP is a massive faggot.
>>2045377downtown and midtown manhattan just don't look like places where cars belong. don't like it? move somewhere else
>>2045888>cars don't belong on this major road network because....well they just don't okay?!
>>2045896they can go there if they want, they just have to pay to be there due to how valuable the space is they are taking up. basic capitalism :)
>>2045896hey man you can pay the toll and shut up, you can take the subway or commuter rail. i don't hear you complaining about having to pay on a turnpike. the demand far outweighs the supply, so there needs to be a price, simple as.
I have to admit I wasn't a big fan of congestion pricing as it just struck me as a handout to the super rich who live downtownBut then trump decided it was bad and my tribalism rearranged itself and now I support it because it makes rightoids seethe
>>2045365Movement?
>>2046118I am a furry rightoid and I think Congestion pricing should be used in all major city downtowns
It's a success because it was designed to raise revenue for MTA contractor money laundering. Traffic is still shit though.
>>2045896Roads used to be for pedestrians. YWNBAP
>>2048809True, that's why standard road width has corresponded precisely to the width of human body for 2000 years by now.
>>2045900i guess there's no longer a need for those fuel and vehicle taxes then. they can get funds from those tolls in capitalism ;)
>>2048825Those taxes help pay for a TINY fraction of the damage cars do to the environment and the health of residents living around car traffic. The remainder is subsidized by everyone, regardless of how much, or if at all they drive a car.
>>2048832those everyone also enjoy the economic benefits of cars that are infinitely greater than the minute environmental damage they cause. if you want capitalism then these taxes must go. remove all the forced fuel economy regulations that are pushed onto car manufacturers and cause purchase and maintenance costs of cars to skyrocket while you're at it.
>>2048825MTA Bridges and Tunnels are the most profitable part of the system which is why the MTA rages when they shut the Verrazano down for the NYC Marathon.https://nypost.com/2024/04/03/us-news/mta-wants-nyc-marathon-to-cough-up-750k-for-lost-tolls-during-race/That's from ONE DAY for ONE BRIDGE. There's still 2 more tunnels and 4 more bridges.
>>2048825those are pigouvian taxes retard. You wouldn't make the same argument about tobacco tax "revenue".
>>2048834I don't want capitalism
>>2048851good, now that you've realized it you won't have to argue for it in bad faith anymore. you're welcome.
>>2045365Based. Poors shouldn't even own cars.
>>2048809>Roads used to be for horses.
>>2045365And now you'll need a mayor that will put in publicly funded grocery stores. Or you can all go back to buying your food at the corner bodega.>Chips, beer, beef jerky and cigarettes.
>>2050012The food deserts map kills me because the places that are actual food deserts like Staten Island and Eastern Queens are car dependent where most of the residents will just get in their car and drive to a Target/Trader Joe's and their criteria of "food desert" means anywhere that you can't get to a supermarket within a 5 minute walk (a 10 minute walk shows a lot more supermarkets and grocery stores...like half of the South Bronx isn't within proximity of a Trade Fair, Key Food, Associated, Food Bazaar, etc on top of Hunts Point Market). You seriously cannot claim anywhere in urban NYC is a food desert, it's not a Baltimore/Philly situation where you have boarded up row houses, missing sidewalks, crack being sold on the corner. It's unironically too safe with more foot traffic.
>>2045888>move somewhere elseyeah that's exactly what's been happening in shithole NY City and why Democrats have been mass-importing human waste. They are losing census power.
>>2045365Nice.Now cities just need to do something about the violent druggies infesting public transit and people would have zero issues using it.Lock them up, turn them into paste, it doesn't matter, just get rid of them.
>>2045888KYS Transplant faggot
>>2050725kys transplant faggot
>>2045365Many /o/ enthusiasts are retarded. Now when I ride or drive to manhattan I can always find parking near my destination quickly, and it’s significantly cheaper than parking lots. When you put barriers like this to cars it just leaves more road for the rest of us who actually like driving
>>2050019And yet Mandani is getting ready for that day.
>>2050915John Catsimatidis, on my /n/?
>>2045377Good. Having million people cram their cars into the downtown core everyday in a high-density city is so fucking retarded and any traffic engineer will agree with me. Only lazy fatasses who don't want to walk are upset about this.I'd only be upset if I can't afford the congestion pricing.
>>2050984I was going to say that lower Manhattan was literally the only place in America where you just don't need a car, but the lower east side seems to lack subways.
>>2050984No one chooses to drive into Manhattan, it's just that Manhattan is right between Queens/Brooklyn and the rest of the country. The people that can afford to drive a Escalade to shop in the city once a week don't give a fuck about the $11 charge hitting their EZ Pass, it's the ones having to commute from Central Jersey that cry about it
>>2050723This is mean.
>>2048809>Roads used to be for pedestrians.Roads were designed for the transportation of goods via wagons for thousands of yearsCars are just the natural extension of thatYou can cope and seethe about this reality all you want
>>2051014yeah, but transportation of goods is a perfect reason to drive. the problem is the million other lazy fatasses using a car to transport themselves and nothing else.
>>2045365Congestion pricing persuades some people not to drive. That makes things better for everyone else. It's a way of counteracting the tragedy of the commons.
>>2051027>the problem is the million other lazy fatasses using a car to transport themselves and nothing else.there's literally nothing wrong with that no matter how much you seethe about it. not fat btw.
>>2051168just lazy
>>2045377Carfags:>We can't have passenger rail, it has to pay for itself.Also carfags:>Road tolls?!?! NOOOO! Not like that!! This is unamerican!Eat shit carfags. You demanded this yourselves.
>>2051189>>2048825
>>2048832You shouldn’t be buying anything that’s transported by a truck.If it isn’t grown by you or a neighbor you shouldn’t enjoy it.
Crowd Control is the name of the game. My bike and I can go anywhere, but how long until it isn't legal to be anywhere my bike can take me?
>>2051519new markets are the name of the game and carbon pricing through policies with an ostensible aim to address "congestion," is but one approach to enabling those markets.
Capitalism wins again
>>2046118You're a shallow childish burden on everyone
>>2051293I'm sure you're typing this on the phone your neighbor grew in his garden out back, right?
>>2051293Okay Pablo for the last time, commercial vehicles like delivery trucks bringing goods as a last mile transportation aren't the subject. Your spic family insisting on never going anywhere except in your disgusting cuckover is. I'm tired of reading your stupid subhuman babble conflating the two, and hope ICE will soon be allowed to carpet bomb your neighborhoods.
We can't have functional public transit until we ban employers from discriminating against people who use public transportation.>start job>arrive by bus 5 minutes early>boss chatting with me, asks how i got there>small parking lot makes it obvious I didn't drive there>get fired on first day because he doesn't think I can get to work on time>despite sitting in his office 5 minutes earlyI want to see someone write death to cagers on their ammo.
>>2055492Wow your manager sounds like a total fag I bet he gets late to work all the time
>>2051189Idiots. They never just stop at one thing! Next it will be a toll to drive every single day anywhere.
>>2051168I also agree that there is nothing wrong with it, but the size of most cars does not justify the most common use case of personal transit.
>>2055492Better fired on the first day than finding out later how they throw you under the bus. Because that manager sounds unhinged.
>>2045365New York needs to invest a lot more in its transit system if it really wants to get rid of congestion I support it though, people from New Jersey clogging up the roads paying to improve transit strikes me as a good idea
>>2050019dude I know, but if stupid fucking niggers in east new york are getting fat off of corner store chicken tendies instead of walking two blocks further to the Key Food that still takes EBT, then we all must suffer and pay billions more so the undocumented uzbeks on Coney Island Avenue can open another giant grocery store and clog up traffic trying to get on the beltfuck
>>2051003finding parking in the LES/east village is surprisingly easy on weekends btw
>>2051027This is the part I don't understand.Like maybe i'm not an average person but I never drive anywhere without either needing to bring more kit (clothes for a trip of more then one day) or be purchasing something that requires more then a bicycle with racks could ever hope to achieve aka any normal persons average bi monthly grocery run.
>>2051168Traffic is what's wrong with itImagine if the subway stopped working for even a day, it would bring New York to a standstill. 3.4 million people ride it every day. That's three million people in their cars clogging up the streets
>>2045888I was here first.
>>2055492That boss was actually Albert Einstein.
>>2055492cause you only arrived 5 minutes earlier by pure luck, he knows that to consistently be on time with transit you have to be over a half hour early even if your lucky and have a 15 minute bus schedule not a 30 minute.
>>2048825We should have a generalized mileage tax. Gas taxes don't fund the roadways, and EVs certainly aren't helping.Put a GPS in every car that spits out a report of what roads you drove and how many miles, and maintenance funds are apportioned accordingly.And then if govts want to discourage certain trips from there, they can add on additional tolls, but traditional tolled routes will become toll-free by default since highway maintenance will no longer need to be funded by dedicated tolls.
