When the FUCK is the Northeast going to get High Speed Rail? Why does it take 9 hours to go from Pittsburgh to Philly? 4 hours to go NYC to Boston?
Because we'd need to base-tunnel and viaduct through the Alleghenies, which would be the single most expensive-yet-glorious infrastructure project in American history
>>2050231>4 hours to go NYC to Boston?Anon...
>>2050231What an odd map. It includes some freight-only lines but excludes many passenger lines.
>>2050231Republicans generally don't believe in infrastructure investment because then other people might benefit from it.
>>2050367>forgetting the extra 2 hours to go through security
>>2050385Not to mention the 45 minutes to get to JFK instead of just riding a citi bike to pennStill, we can surely admit that the boston "acela" is a joke
>>2050231Doesn't the NE have rapido express trains like Japan? They're not high speed, but they only stop at the more major stations so it takes a lot less time.
>>2050364They just passed a bill to hand $2.3 trillion to rich people, if america wasn't a single-party failed state maybe we could spend that on something other than more space yachts for manchildren in high heels, but making things better is woke, so here we are
>>2050385My TSA experiences vary greatly by the departing airport and never have taken close to two hours, but let's say it did; do you really think there wouldn't be something similar on HSR? (Amtrak already has as many restrictions on luggage as airplanes do) Even if there wasn't HSR TSA, there would be the minute there's a high-profile terrorist attack.
>>2050385I hate all of you faggots that talk about security and commuting to the airport being an hours long ordeal. Big airports I never show up more than 30 minutes before boarding. Small airports I usually show up around 5 minutes before boarding. >B-b-but traffic!Oh my, a 30 minute drive to the airport. Remind me again why every one drives? Oh yeah, because public transport is fucking slow and awful. I don't care about a train station dropping me off "in the middle of the city" because I'm still going to need a ride to where I'm going. Might as well have just done it at the airport instead of taking a slow train and going through the same process.People that advocate for trains are so dishonest in portraying how a typical journey is by flying or driving.
>>2050419Boarding usually starts 45 minutes before departure, so you're arriving 1 hour and 15 minutes before boarding. And then you have to get there, add 40 minutes if there's no traffic so there's your 2 hours.> I don't care about a train station dropping me off "in the middle of the city" because I'm still going to need a ride to where I'm going. Well some of us actually do live and work in cities, if you're complaining that trains take too long to take you to the mountaintop coal mine you work at in West Virginia, then yeah I can see why you are hostile to passenger rail.
>>2050441Boarding is half an hour before departure, shit heel. 30 minute drive. So a wopping hour, and that's for a big airport. I'd be doing about the same for a train. My normal airport is a five minute drive. I have honestly left my house when boarding started.>B-b-but the train drops you off in the middle of the city!Still not where I need to be and I still have to commute to the station on both ends.
>>2050381Let me guess, freeways "don't count" for some reason?
>>2050443>>2050419>>2050367Why are you so passionate about never improving another mode of transportation you won't be forced to used anyways
>>2050444freeways are free
>>2050457You people are dishonest beyond belief. I will not engage with liars and charlatons anymore.
>>2050474nta but how are they lying about you being forced to use it? Are the "communists" in the room with us right now?
>>2050475.
>>2050393"Rapid" still takes you 4 hours from NYC to Boston and is about as expensive as a plane ticket anyway. The commuter lines in NJ, Connecticut, Eastern PA, and New York are pretty useful for local travel but going between cities is anything but rapid.
>>2050385forget the plane, that's less than a 4 hour drive.
>>2050535With traffic that can easily be a 5-6 hour drive time.
>>2050537So what if it is? The train is 4 hours, and I have to leave when it tells me to leave, and I still have to get to and from the station, and it costs more.Sorry dude, but you're not convincing anyone with your lies. Everything in life is somewhere else, and you get there in a car.
>>2050393There was a plan to build a high-speed line from DC to Baltimore, but it was recently cancelled. The feds didn't want it going near an army base, and nimbys were predictably against it.
>>2050544If you can't get funding it's not going to get built. That's why nothing became of it. Not muh nimbys
>>2050537I lived in Worcester and had friends in NYC and BostonWorcester-NYC was only 4 hours if there was something catastrophic on 84, which I'll give you is a decent possibility especially depending on what time of day you're driving. Worcester-Boston is no more than an hour unless you're going outside the 95 belt and calling it Boston. I used to buy my weed in Swampscott, it's not that bad of a drive.Full disclaimer I've been out of the area for a decade, no idea how much this has changed in the years since.
>>2050542Why don't you read the OP you mouth-breathing nigger. I'm COMPLAINING that it currently takes 4 hours. I have a nicer car than you and I drove it from New Jersey to Boston the other weekend. Both directions it took me 5 hours to get between Boston and NYC taking the fastest available route on maps. It was a pain in the ass for a route that 100% should have a high speed rail. If I have to drive 7 hours to go skiing in Maine I don't give a shit, I'm going to the middle of nowhere of course I have to drive. There's 0 reason why I should have to drive to Boston when I live in New Jersey along one of the commuter lines. I fly to Pittsburgh fairly often and it costs like $110 if I'm flying a major carrier, $60 if I go Spirit. The ticket from Newark Penn to Boston would have been like $170 to go a shorter distance and taken more time. There's absolutely 0 reason why there shouldn't be a modern high speed rail that hits at least DC, Baltimore, Philly, NYC, and Boston.
>>2050555>There's absolutely 0 reason why there shouldn't be a modern high speed rail that hits at least DC, Baltimore, Philly, NYC, and Boston.Besides free market forces. Sorry, communist kid, but the average American doesn't want to subsidize your toy trains.
>>2050496lmaoo not even touching lirr and east of hudson mnr but spending billions on a manhattan si tunnel. like there are so many better ways to spend money. connect si to bay ridge or nj, fine, but then build a couple more subway lines with that money or beef up port wash line and give it it's own tracks into the city to serve as a <7> super express and save east of main st riders from bus transfer hell
>>2050457They aren't. What happens is that transit advocates like you fail to process their arguments or engage with good counter-arguments and productive discussion. This provokes frustration and anger. What you perceive as "passion against improving another mode of transportation" is in fact, hatred of your abject stupidity and unwillingness to discuss anything honestly or realistically.
>>2050394If you faggot socialists want anything nice ever again, the pre-requisite demands from the people who live in reality are: secure borders, deportation of the invaders, purging of DEI corruption and woke Marxism, and rolling back of """Green""" policies designed specifically to hamstring the US in its competition with other countries like China.The Democrat party is an absolute cesspool of corruption and incompetence has only gotten worse since the rise of Obama. They only thing they are actually good at is brainwashing retarded liberals and "socialists" to support them.Look at that map. The DC-Boston corridor might be the largest Democrat-controlled region in the entire country, maybe after California. Democrats controlled the Presidency for 12 of the last 16 years (and from 2016-2020 leveraged their control over media, big tech and corrupted federal agencies to hamstring Trump).They have absolutely no excuse for failing to deliver on transit promises. They suck and are pieces of shit. That's the answer. All Democrats care about is funneling taxpayer money into their pockets, their propaganda organs, and increasing their party's political power. They'd much rather see a pretty white woman raped and murdered by a crew of squatemalan goblins than see anyone enjoy a clean, fast and pleasant train ride between DC and Boston.
I'll take my old Ford Bronco over your toy train any day kiddo
>>2050591>vote against your own interests after being warned repeatedly that it's a bad idea because "but he promised to hurt someone I don't like">get everything taken away from you as predicted>still blame obongo the kenyan muslim for some reason even though he's been out of the picture for a generation and half alreadyare the "faggot socialists" in the room with us right now?
>>2050544>The feds didn't want it going near an army baseBecause moving troops and tanks at high speed is bad for national security or something I guess...
>>2050611I don't know what base that would be but it either already has a rail connection or doesn't need one
>>2050599>are the "faggot socialists" in the room with us right now?Yes.>>2050599>vote against your own interestslmao- Southern Border is closed and secure- USAIDs shut down.- Commie universities are being bullied to shut down their DEI anti-white discrimination programs.- Tariff-driven renegotiation of multiple key trade deals over the howling rage of the globalists who kept claiming there would be massive inflation, which hasn't materialized.- Americans persecuted for exercising their Free Speech on January 6th, 2021 have been pardoned.- Russia collusion hoax has been proven to have been ordered by The Gay Mullato.- Leftoid shills dropping left and right. Most recently that unfunny faggot Colbert revealed to have been losing CBS $40 million a year.But by all means keep voting for dipshit leftoids who promise free Ice Cream and No Homework, then asspulling excuses when all they deliver is fucking nothing.
>>2050625By this time next year you won't even have any hospitals in your podunk town, everything will cost twice as much as it costs today, and you'll probably have some kind of super-measles, but at least some kids in africa will die of something preventable so it was all worth it...
>>2050627You are deep in the delusions.Very common with rail advocates in the US.Your type does more harm than good to even your own causes.
>>2050231Because the private car ownership and operation is far more profitable, especially if car infrastructure costs are offloaded to taxpayers. More or less, the profits from the automotive and oil industry are used to lobby for for bills that promote car infrastructure and reduce infrastructure for other forms of transportation. Air transit is largely immune from this because it's heavily utilized by executives making lobbying decisions and because it requires little infrastructure beyond ATC and airports. Freight rail is immune because it's wildly profitable.Passenger rail and public transit doesn't see nearly the same profits so they cannot compete in the lobbying space, and thus are cut. It cannot survive so long as profit is the sole motive.
>>2050556Infrastructure is a national public good, not a private one. Market forces have little to do with it. If you oppose making the nation stronger you're a subversive leftist and should be deported back to the brownoid shithole you're from.
>>2050591Team red and team blue are just two different factions of the capitalist ruling class. They appeal to different sets of social values in order to sway voters in this ridiculous game of popular support that they play with each other every 2-4 years. Once you see things like this, where all decisions are just capitalist class infighting, it really starts making a lot more sense. They also tend to agree where it matters to them, usually in the form of suppressing any form of working class movement (which is why team red lets team blue be so "socially progressive")Don't pick a side in this game unless you have the billions of dollars necessary to actually play on a team.>>2050627Yes, let's just wish the gift of zero healthcare upon our fellow man. Surely disease and destitution will let him see the error in his ways.>>2050631He doesn't have any causes, I can assure you. He's only acting out the image of what he thinks participating in a cause looks like, the image sold to him by team blue.
>>2050635>Team red and team blue are just two different factions of the capitalist ruling class. Several severe flaws with this analysis.1. 'Capitalism' is neither an ideology or political faction. It's an economic system only, one that can be paired with any number of other cultures, value systems and political systems. Most importantly, "capitalism" is not a defining trait of the "ruling class." It's an important distinction to make because lying commies frequently promote a fake and retarded dialectic between capitalism and socialism. They attack a straw man, call it capitalism, and suggest that socialism is the alternative. (PS, "globalism" is a more accurate term for the Ruling Class's priority. They're trying to take over the world and be the ones in control of it.)2. "The values they promote" matter a whole lot. Even if it's a meaningless game for them (it's not), the consequences of wedge issues are real. The consequences of activism and cultural Marxism are real. 3. Trump is a genuine exception to the Uniparty circus. That's why Democrats got away with the flagrantly immoral, illegal, unconstitutional and anti-American attacks on him for so long. Ruling trash Reds supported Obama. The MAGA movement has supplanted the previous red team and Trump clearly does not give a fuck about the donor class (just look at the Elon feud)>Don't pick a side in this game unless you have the billions of dollars necessary to actually play on a team.That's how it was for me until Trump. It's unbelievable, I never in my life thought I'd see a President work so hard to champion causes that I actually believe in and want to see. The contrast is insane. When I look at what Democrats actually support (in word and deed) it's not even a contest. I'll happily trade the blue team's fake support for public transit in return for border security and killing DEI.
>>2050633>Commies talk about seizing private property and then call you a freedom hating leftist.Whew
>>2050635I'm not the one wishing zero healthcare on these troglodytes.. But this is what they asked for, and this is what they'll get. They were probably told it would hurt a black person or something. Which of course it undoubtedly will, but it takes a special kind of insanity to support that at the cost of your own prosperity and safety.
>>2050632And here's the standard "it's all the lobbyists fault" tard twist on the economic question.>Because the private car ownership and operation is far more profitable, especially if car infrastructure costs are offloaded to taxpayers.Road infrastructure is supported by taxpayers because everyone benefits GREATLY. Not through some theoretical twice-indirect consequence of load shifting but everyday uses for commerce and transportation. Roads bring groceries to supermarkets. Roads bring construction materials for buildings. When I buy shit online, it gets to my house on roads.>>2050633>Infrastructure is a national public good, not a private one. Market forces have little to do with it.The economic illiteracy here is astounding. Economic viability and long-term ROI are very important metrics for a large infrastructure project. If a transit project can't even pay for itself, that's a very serious indictment.I assume most posters on /n/ rent city cuck boxes but if you ever own a home you'll know that some projects improve the value of your home and some don't. A pool, for example. Only buy a pool if you really want to enjoy one, because it doesn't do shit to improve your home's power level. A transit system that can't pay for itself in at least roughly the same timeframe as a road is a pure vanity project.
>>2050658Not surprising to find this pathetic NEET sentiment on /n/. Not everyone is a jobless loser who is nothing but a drain on society.
>>2050662Yeah because the only reason to not want to be living in a country plagued with millions of enraged destitute people who have no health care and are spreading all kinds of fucked up diseases is because of being a NEET, average rightoid "logic", let me guess you can just shoot them with your gun? Well now you'll have a chance, live the dream cleetus
>>2050457>we should redirect $100B in taxes for a pet project>don't complain, you're not forced to use itAbsolute retard
>>2050665Being dishonest for the sake of riposte won't change that you just hate public transit because something something muh liberals, anon.You're already well-content with the Federal Highway Authority getting $60 billion in funding yearly for roads you'll never even think of.
>>2050591oh my elon, so zased...keep owning the libs my kikeistani brother
>>2050664So far, every faggot leftoid prediction about anything Trump-related has failed to come true, so I think it's pretty safe to say your predictions about the total collapse of healthcare will be wrong, too.The fact is that the main reason the country is full of "enraged destitute" people is because they've been imported by leftists and radicalized by lying Marxists (or else they came pre-radicalized with Islamism). They need to be kicked out or imprisoned.
>>2050690>Triggered leftoid reveals he's the Elon-obsessed phenotype
>>2050702Say, how about those Epstein files?
>>2050690>>2050702>>2050703>>2050717>>>/pol/Captcha: GAY04
>>2050717
>>2050660>The economic illiteracy here is astounding. Economic viability and long-term ROI are very important metrics for a large infrastructure project. If a transit project can't even pay for itself, that's a very serious indictment.I literally have an economics degree and I own a business. Every project a government undertakes is not about profitability. The military is not a profitable organization. The postal service is not a profitable organization. But these organizations provide services for citizens that need to exist, and historically have always been serviced by large, competent states. Transportation is another one of these services that every major nation in history has seen to providing for obvious reasons. Our government is not a profit-maximizing corporate entity that exists to make line go up, it's a collective pooling of resources to provide services for the citizens in that pool. Amtrak is receiving a little over $2B next year from the government. Even the extra $22B over 4 year appropriation they were given is a pittance in the federal budget. I wouldn't call transportation infrastructure a vanity project anymore than I would an aircraft carrier or a moon landing. But even if you want to call all of these things vanity projects, so what? Governments should undertake vanity projects like landing on the moon or national monuments that celebrate collective victories. >B-B-B-BUT THE GOVERNMENT IS INSOLVENT!You know as well as I that these are not the allocations driving the deficit.
>>2050655Liberalism is leftism lad. If you're not a nationalist you're a subversive fighting against the interests of your people, which is the core tenant of leftism.
>>2050745You're trying to use logic to convince a human-shaped object that operates on vibes and gut reactions, most of which have been programmed into its primitive brain by an incomprehensibly vast, south african owned brainwashing machine designed to keep it confused and angry. Numbers don't work on that kind of thing. It's essentially a sickness that has assumed the shape of a homo sapiens
>>2050745>I literally have an economics degreeThat you think this matters is the first mark against you.>blah blah blahAll that nonsense and you're missing the important point that COST MATTERS. You can't just claim "infrastructure is a public good" and then completely ignore the economics.HOW good is the infrastructure?HOW much is it worth?WHY is it important?Financial viability is a great way to assess the importance of a given project. If you do nothing but vanity projects you're going to go bankrupt and collapse.>The military is not a profitable organization. Defense is not remotely exempt from market forces. But liberty is priceless and must be defended. Furthermore, plenty of military operations can be criticized as a foolish waste of resources not worth the cost. >Governments should undertake vanity projectsOK, but how much should they actually spend on them? The answer can't be infinity, so you have to consider the financial viability of any project.>I wouldn't call transportation infrastructure a vanity projectThat all depends on the relationship between the costs and benefits. With sufficiently high costs and sufficiently limited benefits, it's a vanity project. Finding the line requires assessing the value of the benefit. IOW looking at the MARKET FORCES. Expensive roads typically pay for themselves through economic output. Cheap roads are cheap and the bar is lower.If a transit enterprise is not going to be profitable, you have to assess the subsidy and the opportunity cost of spending to maintain a service people don't use. The threshold is not infinite.>moon landingWas a cold war military posturing project.NASA's funding was massively reduced when the cold war ended.The next space revolution came from SpaceX, a company very focused on market efficiency (even if their cash cow is still primarily government contracts).
>>2050745>Even the extra $22B over 4 year appropriation they were given is a pittance in the federal budget.Again, the issue is always opportunity cost. Sure you can always say "a pittance of the federal budget" about almost any one specific thing. But why should that pittance be for you and not for something else? It's an endless battle, so marshal your arguments.Touting the economic benefits is always helpful.
>>2050768Eliminate Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid and watch all our problems disappear.
>>2050419>Big airports I never show up more than 30 minutes before boardinglol, speaking of dishonesty. This is the biggest fucking lie I've ever heard. You aren't getting through TSA in 30 minutes at any major airport unless your idea of "major" is some podunk airstrip. I think the quickest it's ever been for me is 45 minutes and then there's usually about a 10 minute walk to your gate. And that's not counting waiting in line to check your baggage either.
>>2050768There is no real dollar-amount opportunity cost because Congress can simply increase the debt ceiling at will, as they do every year. The only real opportunity cost is political economy, ie should I fight to get this funded or that funded. The money itself is endless and people like >>2050766 who think of themselves as armchair economist because they bought their first house are morons. Talking about federal spending like it's your lemonade stand shows a fundamental misunderstanding for how federal funds are appropriated.
>>2050773>You aren't getting through TSA in 30 minutes at any major airport unless your idea of "major" is some podunk airstripMost people don't have a concept of time when they wait in line and grossly overestimate how long the actual wait was, i.e. you probably waited 10-15 minutes and called it 30 or 45.
>>2050779>ackchually you grossly overestimate the time it took>not me, though, I'm definitely not grossly underestimating the time it tookYou aren't getting from the airport entrance, through baggage check, through security, and to your gate in 30 minutes at a major international airport, that's bullshit. You could have at least said something believable and said 90 or even 60 minutes instead of pulling 30 minutes out of your ass like a fucktard.Even more hilariously, you said you never show up more than 30 minutes early at major airports which implies there are times where you supposedly get through all those steps even quicker. Again, you're either a liar or your idea of a major airport is some landing strip in bumfuck nowhere. Either way, kys yourself.
>>2050781>not me, though, I'm definitely not grossly underestimating the time it tookCorrect, I do look at my watch if I get in a long line. The security line at my regional airport is never more than 10 minutes. Didn't read the rest because I know you can't tell time on pic rel
What's the point of coming to a board specifically about transportation methods useful in densely populated areas, just to complain that those methods aren't useful to you in the swamps of tallahassee? What is there for you to discuss on this board?
>>2050773I have precheck. It takes me like 5 minutes maybe to get through.
>>2050781>You aren't getting from the airport entrance, through baggage check, through security, and to your gate in 30 minutesI do. I don't check a bag ever because I'm not an idiot.
>>2050786I look at my watch too, which is why I know that you're lying.>>2050789That I can believe because the precheck lines are almost always empty.
>>2050790>I can actually get to my gate in 30 seconds because I pack nothing, show up to the airport naked during the time period of lowest possible volume of traffic, and sprint everywhere.That's really nice, anon, but we're talking about getting through general screening and baggage check like the average person.I'm well aware autists like yourself can think of a dozen different special cases that could cut down screening time to a few minutes.I'm talking about the average passenger.You don't see me arguing that it actually takes 4 hours because some travelers show up to the airport and fuck around forever before leaving or get trapped in a rush, but shut-in losers like yourself will insist that "actually" it only takes 15 minutes or some other bullshit time because they got lucky the one time they left their parent's basement to get on a plane.I can guarantee that you are missing the majority of your flights if you arrive at the airport 30 minutes before boarding.
>>2050791Even before I had precheck, security lines were seldom long. Only bad example I recall was flying out of MSY around Thanksgiving or Christmas and I missed my flight because I actually was in the security line for over an hour. I immediately rebooked on a different routing. It cost me 3 hours in additional travel time. MSY has the worst security screening process I've ever seen, so I can see it crumbling under high demand.
>>2050793>I'm a complete moron and struggle to quickly navigate through airports.>Places that have been specifically designed to quickly move people of below average intelligence that do not speak the language.You sure showed me, chief.
>>2050795I can get there in 30 seconds and you can't, slowfag. Thanks for playing.
>>2050793>I can guarantee that you are missing the majority of your flights if you arrive at the airport 30 minutes before boarding.I arrived 20 minutes before boarding today. I'd have shown up later, but I took an uber instead parking.
>>2050786>>2050795>>2050797>bunch of empty words and no proofYou never left your parent's basement.
>>2050798What would you even consider for proof, communist kid? I fly about 10 times a year and my method has failed me once in hundreds of flights.
>>2050791>I look at my watch too, which is why I know that you're lying.No you don't
>>2050788This thread was derailed earlier, now it's a train wreck. Seems like we've been getting some /pol/ and /o/ tourists lately.
>>2050800Easy, film yourself arriving at the airport and getting to your gate in 30 minutes with no cuts.You won't because you don't leave your parents basement.>>2050801>no uAmazing reply, anon. Exactly appropriate for the mental retardation I've seen from you.
>>2050800And before you try to get smart with me, I want to see you check your baggage and go through general screening at a major international hub airport, which is what the majority of travelers do as part of the process of flying.As I said to another anon all ready, I have zero doubts that if you check 0 bags and go through TSA precheck you'll get to your gate quickly. That isn't what the average flier does, though.
>>2050811You're just asspained because you were wrong. It's not that big of a deal
>>2050813I'll do it if you do it first, kiddo.
>>2050776>There is no real dollar-amount opportunity cost because Congress can simply increase the debt ceiling at will, as they do every year.Inflation is just a hidden tax. A small amount of consistent inflation is reasonable when paired with a similarly consistent growth. It discourages hoarding currency in favor of investment in the economy, and ensures there's enough currency in circulation to support the whole economy. But massive inflation such as what happened during the Joe Biden Former Vice-Presidency, is a major burden for middle-class people.Any given individual act of raising the debt ceiling is not big deal. It's always massively politicized. But long-term, over-spending on an inefficient government will have dire consequences. It's important to be heading in the right direction on that front and not just endlessly making excuses to blow money on whatever you feel like.
>>2050806This happens because transit shill /n/edditors say so many things that are both stupid, ignorant, and inherently political. You retards bring it on yourself by(a) crying about government spending on road infrastructure(b) crying about government not spending enough on passenger rail(c) crying about low density zoning(d) crying about the auto industry(e) crying about capitalism(f) crying when called out on claims like >>2050385Red diaper baby Pete Buttgig spent half the DoT's budget on DEI programs. For those who think DEI is just "code for anti-white," that's not the whole story. DEI is a viral strategy adopted from the Chinese cultural revolution, designed to increase the power of the political party. You divide people into Red categories and Black categories. You discriminate against the black categories and the only voluntary Red category is Commie Activist. Even if some of those DEI programs were just normal DoT programs with DEI branding (eg a Black-focused bus program is still a bus program), guarantee a lot of that money just went to useless government sinecures for party loyalists.Passenger rail is relentlessly pushed as a Socialist issue, framed as something essential the government MUST provide to its people. And then you cry about it, when the actual politics of this are actually debated?
>>2050827>anon pussies out again when told to prove itSaw that coming. I accept your concession of defeat.
>>2050813>I want to see you check your baggageWhy does he have to check his baggage?Tons of people don't check baggage, especially the kind of person inclined to optimize their travel time (which that guy seems to be).This is all pathetic autism. There are many reasonable claims you can make favoring rail travel over air travel without losing your mind over the specific number of minutes it fucking takes to get from the street to your seat.
>>2050848>Dude, just waste a bunch of time and effort documenting and uploading your airport process with my stupid rules.>No I won't extend the same courtesyYour head belongs on a pike.
>>2050849You made the claim, bitch tits.>>2050849Checked baggage or not, he's not stepping foot outside his parents basement, that much is clear.
>you made the claim, bitch>>2050850Meant for you
>>2050702>So far, every faggot leftoid prediction about anything Trump-related has failed to come true, so I think it's pretty safe to say your predictions about the total collapse of healthcare will be wrong, tooThis. >Oh no these tariffs will destroy the economy >Oh no getting rid of USAIDs will cripple the world>Oh no trying to deport illegals will cause Zimbabwe tier inflation and the 4th reich >Oh no if Colbert's show ends it'll be the end of AmericaThe boy has cried wolf too many times.
>>2050231>When the FUCK is the Northeast going to get High Speed Rail?Vemont, New Hampshire, and Maine are mostly empty. As is most of upstate New York.Who would be riding this train enough to pay for it?>Why does it take 9 hours to go from Pittsburgh to Philly?Because the middle of PA is also empty and very hilly terrain. I live in Pittsburgh. I have no interest in visiting Philly regularly because it's not an interesting place to visit.
>>2050857You made a ridiculous claim on it taking 2 hours to get through security and to your gate. You commies are so dishonest.
>>2050883For my part, I do tend to aim for 90+ minutes or more. But that's because> Get stuck in traffic on the way to the airport> wife + 2 kids, at least one has to go to the bathroom before we even check our bags.> 2 bags checked (airline requires bags be checked 45 minutes ahead of departure time)> delay in security because we forgot to empty kids' water bottles> 4yo who slept poorly last night decides to have a melty on the way to the gateAnd so on.The typical trip doesn't go this poorly but when you're traveling with a whole family there are a lot of variables and shit that can go wrong. (And the stakes are higher. Missing the flight as a solo passenger? No big deal unless you had some kind of hard deadline. But being stuck in an airport for 4 hours with a frustrated wife and bored kids is not a fun time).Also, I'll agree that going by train doesn't change most of that. I've never taken my family on the train but if I did, I'd still arrive at the station much earlier than I would, were I traveling solo. And as unpleasant as an airport can be, most train stations are even less comfortable.
Commie this, commie that, for gawd's sake I just wanna grill
>>20508832 hours is the normal recommendation for when to show up before your flight. You made the claim that you never show up more than 30 minutes before, so you've got to prove it, whiny little bitch.
>>2050946Do you also shampoo twice, never exceed the speed limit, and give money to Nigerian princes?
>>2050953>irrelevant bsYou pussied out exactly like I knew you would. How embarrassing for you.
>>2050956Did you know "gullible" is written on the ceiling?
>>2050879It would be cool if only to have to have a high speed Pennsylvanian + Keystone + revived Broadway Limited service, but yeh, not really a priority. PA's Ridge and Valley region would look kino from a viaduct in a train going 180+ mph though.
>>2050978Love the doublespeak but urbanism threads were bad enough on this board and now we're dealing with polshit
>>2050979If the policies your guys implement consistently center around demolishing state capacity and selling it off to private benefactors while rolling back entitlements and legal protections for everyone, I'm going to say that the function of your politics is to make America a shithole, it's not that hard.
>>2050980Public policy discussion belongs on >>>/pol/
>>2050981Amtrak is a public policy discussion. Most passenger rail around the world receives some significant degree of public subsidy. It's impossible to avoid.That retard's problem is that he's mindlessly flinging shit at the "bad team" and not actually discussing public transit policy at all.
>>2050894>I'll agree that going by train doesn't change most of that.For me, it's>check https://www.amtrak.com/track-your-train.html>see when my train is actually going to arrive>plan to be there about 15 minutes beforehand>wait briefly on the antique benches in the air conditioned station>train arrives>everyone's excited>ALL ABOARD! *whistles*>we hop on the train>show conductor our e-ticket>they tag our seats with our destination so even if we fall asleep, they can let us know it's our stop>kids play handhelds, or thumb wrestle, or just snack and walk around the aisles to stretch their legs>I can relax>my wife can relax>not even worried about when we are arriving
>>2050989>antique benchesRoman Catholic Church Pews are more comfortable>Amtrak train actually arriving on timeMore like, leave the cold concrete benches, go out to the dingy platform when the train is supposed to arrive then wait there 15+ minutes (or more) while some stale water drips from a stalactite next to chipped paint.Train finally arrives, door opens way down on the other end of the platform and the conductor steps out.Drag the bags all the way down to the other end and haul them on.>kids play handhelds, or thumb wrestle, or just snack and walk around the aisles to stretch their legsOther than walking in the aisles, all that's the same on a plane too. Except every 6-8 hours on a train is like 45 minutes on a plane, so your kids would spend much less time rotting their brains on handhelds.The train where they let you ship your car along with you is great though.
>>2050879>Vemont, New Hampshire, and Maine are mostly empty. As is most of upstate New York.Why would you look at the most densely populated region in the US and assume a high-speed rail would be connected the least densely populated portions of that region...>Because the middle of PA is also empty and very hilly terrain. I live in Pittsburgh. I have no interest in visiting Philly regularly because it's not an interesting place to visit.A high speed rail would not have a single stop in the middle of PA, it would connect the two cities.
>>2051099>A high speed rail would not have a single stop in the middle of PA"We didn't need public support anyway"
>>2051105These commies parading as "urban development" enthusiasts are something else.>We're going to take your money and steal your land.>Why do think your city would get a station?
>>2051107If your city is Podunksville, PA, with a population of 237 (if you include the pets), then you better believe that nobody's going to give a shit about having a HSR station anywhere near you unless it happens to be convenient for somewhere actually important.Incorporation doesn't give the place the right to demand that.
>>2051135see >>2051105
>>2051135Not that anon, but I hope the "your podunk town shouldn't get a station" people aren't the same as the "look at how much rail has shrunk over the years" people.
>>2051105That's right.All we need is for the automotive and oil industries to stop using their immense profits to concoct diabolical lobbying schemes to thwart rail projects.
>>2051152Tell us more about how Brightline East (and West) and CAHSR never happened because of Big Oil's nefarious plans, Chang.
>>2051107Communists oppose rail development just like they oppose all development. Investing in the infrastructure of our country is right wing you subversive faggot. If you're not a nationalist, you're a left wing traitor.>>2051105Do you not understand how a high speed rail works? If if has 20 stops along the way you're stacking time onto the route and you're likely not going to be able to get up to speed anyway. Connecting urban metro areas that have their own local light rail accessible at your end stops brings significantly more people into the network than whatever retardation you're suggesting.
>>2051163>Do you not understand how a high speed rail works?Do you? If you did, you'd know about limited, rapid express, and local services that run on the same line. But you can't have those services without stations at outlying points. A hypothetical HSR line from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia would require a number of stops along the way at certain towns and small cities to be politically viable, retard.
The new Acela (based on the french TGV) will enter passenger service on August 28 on the Northeast Corridor.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGEQ3BspKLM
>>2051153I forgive you for missing the sarcasm.Understandable in this tard pen of a board.
>>2050231I have no expectation for a high speed rail network until there are enough good, clean, efficient LRT systems to demonstrably prove to Americans the benefits of rail transit.
>>2051179This already exists in the region, what's missing is efficient transport between cities.
>>2051184The state of the East Coast train lines and the MTA are embarrassing and the fact that they're the best in the US is even worse. You need infrastructure and vehicles with amenities that the middle class would use because that is something you can take pride in and worth expanding on.Before even doing anything as ambitious and expensive as a transcontinental high speed rail network, there should be a national infrastructure plan that takes regional. High speed rail lines running along the coasts, overhead contact wires on highways for electric trucks in the Heartland, and nuclear civilian cargo ships for the Great Lakes and the Mississippi River.
>>2051184>the fact that they're the best in the US is even worseThis is all just a consequence of geography and how Americans have chosen to live (low density small towns and suburbs).>You need infrastructure and vehicles with amenities that the middle class would use because that is something you can take pride in and worth expanding on.Correct, but the fact is that this is difficult in the United States because everything is so spread out.Take a random rapid transit / metro system in Europe. Compare annual ridership with total length of the system. Obviously there are a lot of variables but this still gives you a very rough estimate of system efficiency. You'll quickly see that the Europeans move many more people with much less track than the US. A typical European metro system may have 25 miles of track and move 100 million people per year. Chicago's L has over 100 miles of track to move 120 million people per year. It's a different scale.
>>2051187I use my local LRT line that's on that map and literally 90% of the people on it during rush hour are upper middle class White people going between their laptop jobs in the city and their homes in the suburbs. If you use it during an event like Gov Ball, a Yankees game, etc there's tons of normal people who are also using it for that purpose. On weekend nights local LRT are full of 20-somethings drinking on the train going to a bar either in the city or down the shore. Obviously there's room for improvement but your characterization of how they're used is not correct. The MTA is a different issue but frankly their services would be significantly improved just by cracking down on crime and vagrancy. That's ultimately going to be a local issue though, and most of these LRT lines are state run. A high speed rail would be federal through Amtrak. You wouldn't even need to be as ambitious as a transcontinental high speed rail, I don't think that even makes sense and it's not what anyone here has advocated for. The fastest train in the world would take like 10 hours from NYC to LA with no stops, it's a distance that's better handled with air travel. A high sped rail is best used for connecting regional hubs in dense areas. The Northeast, California, maybe something in Florida/the South but even that's pushing it.
>>2050231>When the FUCK>High Speed RailNever? We don't build transportation infrastructure for poors, we expect you to maintain and use your own vehicles. Trains are to move goods here, not fucking people. Besides, you'd have to ride it with the thirdies, so you're not gonna have many takers. It would only be useful as a source of government grift.
>>2051213High speed rail is not poor people infrastructure, it would be middle class. The utility isn't that it would somehow undercut the price of driving or taking a Greyhound bus, which are the poor people ways of traveling. The utility is the convenience and speed. A high speed rail from New York to Boston would take less than two hours, meanwhile Pedro driving his shitty little Toyota Corolla would take 4 hours assuming he hits no traffic, which is almost guaranteed at some point in the drive. In fact it's not even that much slower than the raw flight time from JFK to Boston, and it would include none of the nonsense that comes with airports.
>>2051216>A high speed rail from New York to Boston would take less than two hoursI remember when my wife and I lived in New York we actually did take a trip to Boston, but we decided against the train because we'd have to make our way all the way to Penn Station with our luggage, at a certain time of day, and then have to commute from South Station to our hotel. Just getting to Penn would've negated any time saved, plus the hassle of dealing with luggage on mass transit.
>>2051167>Do you? If you did, you'd know about limited, rapid express, and local services that run on the same line.Shinkansen runs dedicated lines on dedicated platform stops. It's got its own ticket gate too. I think you mean the station is shared, which is often the case, but not always. Sometimes, the only trains that stop at a station are Shinkansen.
>>2051254I mean this
>>2051216>it would include none of the nonsense that comes with airportsThe idea that "we need HSR because no TSA" is such a bad take. Trains are and will be subject to the exact same sort of thing airports have like long security lines, restrictions on luggage, and overpriced food and drink in the stations. The only thing that Amtrak has going for it in terms of that the 3.4 fluid ounce limit isn't there, everything else is either the same or more restricted (Amtrak has a particular "no seafood" rule), and the minute someone tries a terrorist attack on an HSR train, you WILL get all the airplane horseshit you didn't have already.
>>2051371TSA actually recently did away with the fluid limit and taking off your shoes.
>>2051389The 3.4 oz. rule is still in effect for carry-on. Checked is different, but you're paying $30 for a checked bag and that's additional time waiting around in the baggage area.
>>2051371>Trains are and will be subject to the exact same sort of thing airports have like long security lines, restrictions on luggage, and overpriced food and drink in the stations.This sentence is doing all of the lifting in your post and half of it is wrong and the other half is baseless speculation. First of all, trains ARE NOT subject to the same exact burdensome security requirements as airports. I can literally show up 5 minutes before the train leaves and there is nothing between me and stepping on the train. So don't say that they ARE subject to the same nonsense as airports, because as of right now they ARE NOT. Secondly, you have no reason to believe this will magically change because we've updated the routes and trains. Some sections of the Acela route already hit 150mph, and again I can get on that train without dealing with an hour of TSA bullshit. So I'm sorry but if you're entire argument is >IF someone successfully carries out a terrorist attack on a train at some point in the future then maybe you might have to deal with the same nonsense as an airport HYPOTHETICALLY!then you don't really have an argument. I'm not talking about the magic land of if and maybe that lives in your mind, I'm talking about reality as it is now, and the reality as it is now is that you don't have to deal with any of this crap to get on a 150mph train.
