>live in small city>main road through town is 4 lanes>city removes one lane on either side and puts in a bike lane>cyclists still ride on sidewalk>traffic has now doubled and gets horribly backed up several times a daywhy are you fucks like this
Try riding a bike through that area and I'm sure you'll figure it out. Sidewalks are almost never a good option, since they're full of pedestrians, so there is obviously something wrong with your town's implementation, as is usually the case with these things. Lane has too many obstructions, or it requires a dangerous merge, or there's always people parked in it (see: requires a dangerous merge). Use your eyes.If you're scared because you see it as too dangerous, then there's your answer. Or, instead of a random pic you got from google, post the street and city if it's on google street view, or take a pic next time you're there, and someone can tell you. it should be pretty obvious what the problem is upon casual examination.John Forester did nothing wrong.
>>2054425>>traffic has now doubled and gets horribly backed up several times a daygood. Car drivers need constraints to abandon their comfort and hop on public transports or bikes. It's time to sweat.
>>2054425>cyclists still ride on sidewalkDelivery browns and people on fat bikes are not cyclists.They are debatably not human.
>>2054425as you can see the only reason /n/iggers push for this garbage is to inconvenience car owners in some way, that's the entire point of it all.
>>2054454Misery loves company.
>>2054425>main road>side walkyou see, that's the problem - it should be mainwalk and sideroad
>>2054454That's part of it, the other part is it's a way for real estate developers to demonstrate that a neighborhood has undergone the first phase of gentrification, like an animal pissing to mark its territory.Second phase is they make the entire street a pedestrians-only area, rendering it fully useless to anything on wheels
The same intersection in better times
>build a suburb with winding streets and no sidewalks to deliberately be hostile to outsiders wandering in:D>rebuild a city street with narrower lanes and reduced parking to deliberately be hostile to outsiders driving in:(
>>2054459And the point of making it hostile to cyclists is because hey, if you're going to be a douche why do things in half measures right?
>>2054457based>>2054458cringe
>>2054457The reason it is the mark for gentrification is because rich people like nice things, and bike infrastructure is something wealthy people like to have. Have you ever biked a quarter mile on a nice sunny summer morning to get coffee?What you have told me just now, is that you are poor. You ever go to the poorest neighborhood in town? No tress, no bikelanes, concrete and shitty houses. You ever been to a poor suburb? No bike lanes, they can hardly affords to fix the roads forget about anything nice. Just there to shit out more kids so there can be even more cars on the road shitting up the world.>>2054425If you wanna improve traffic in your area, find the tallest building you can find and think about how to remove one more car that honestly, just doesnt need to be there.
>>2054459Even if that was only a false equivalence, that isn't even true. Most suburbs built in the last 30+ years have arterial roads with bike paths (and bike paths in parks) and streets are just modified grids. The way most people talk about suburbs on /n/ and Reddit they act like they've never actually seen a suburb before, only just memes.
>>2055148bitch I grew up in a fucking 'suburb' that has winding roads and to go to a place one mile away as a kid I had to bike 5 fucking miles by road. They still havent connected it up. Also, those commuter bike paths are built to serve the suburb only. They go into the city and out of the city and that's it. It's not a network. Try biking to another suburb on that shit, you fucking cant without taking some shit dangerous road. It is again, something that serves the wealthy who have nice city jobs. It's the same thing OP is complaining about.
>>2054425Here, there's always debris, bins or other stuff in the bikelane. Because they peg it off the street sweepers never touch it and it doesn't rain enough to do anything. They really should just make a barrier and just join both directions of bikelane. More space for cars and less shit for bikes.
if someone is riding on the sidewalk or road it's for one of a few reasons>they are a delivery ebike driver or s-works owning roadie (not human)>the bike path is full of debris, parked cars and will pop your tires because it's not fully separated>up ahead the bike path ends extremely dangerously and forces a merge onto the roadway so people get off onto the sidewalk preemptively
>>2055326Most of the cycling infrastructure in my area that was built over the last decade is a nightmare to use and feels like specifically designed to annoy anyone who wants to go faster than 10kph. Always shared with pedestrians, taking the right of way away, having to yield to every byroad every 20 meters, blind spots, lots of sharp and narrow corners to take the right of way away, ending after 300m or ending right on a busy road, etc. If possible I try to use low-traffic back roads instead of newly built bike paths.
>>2055134No, because I can just walk a quarter mile and if it's too crowded to sit, I can just walk back with a coffee in my hand. If I'm biking on a sunday morning to get coffee, it's going to be at least 20 milesWhat you've just told me now is that you don't ride and you look at bike infrastructure the way a real estate broker would look at it. And there's nothing wrong with that, we all have to eat, but you belong on /biz/ not /n/ where we understand: John Forester did nothing wrong
Picrel is LITERALLY considered the ideal bike lane by REBNY shills. If you don't think this is the best thing ever, you're poor.
>>2054425in my city cyclists are Like This and it's because all the bike paths are only like three blocks long and go nowhere. Everyone is convinced it was 100% done to market the city as "Eco" to businesses looking to move, and not to actually alleviate traffic. Same for roundabouts. They just put them in random places because memes.
>>2055378You're poor. Job creators like nice things, such as bike lanes that are completely unusable but give the appearance of being #walkablecities.
>>2055379I already lived here prior so I didn't need #bikelane #sprinkles to encourage me to start my billion dollar revenue per year defence contractor (I resell Kensington trackballs after hosing them down in plastidip to ruggedize them for highly agile tactical environments such as Critical Mass Suppression Events)
>>2054449>hop on public transports That shit isn't really widespread in Burger Land though.
>>2055395the kind of people who constantly talk about using public transportation are also conveniently the same exact people who pretend to not understand why the average person would much rather drive a car than take a bus
>>2055397in yurop driving in city cores is nightmarish because the streets are either super tight old 500 year old unplanned streets, or are just New York Lite and there's too much traffic to get anywhere in a reasonable time when you can just take an underground train and then use a crappy e-bike app for the 50ft on either side
>>2055378that could have been part of it. securing federal funding for various projects was probably another part. as for the roundabouts, I bet they were put in to slow traffic down
>>2055445> I bet they were put in to slow traffic downAs oppossed to waiting 30 seconds at a red light
>>2055397I grew up with public transit and also had a few car rides. i understand the benefits of the car but I also understand mathematically speaking we can't have to many people driving otherwise the whole city will be rebuilt to look like an interstate expressway
>>2055450roundabouts are much cheaper than lights, better at slowing traffic and lowering collision rates than lights or signs, and give better traffic flow than them too. also they're funner if you're a sanic bike cycle rider or have a miata
>traffic has now doubledi think what you meant to say is "traffic has remained the same because cagers can't cope with having limited space"
>>2055459roundabouts naturally lower speed while traffic signals may cause speeding i.e. a light turns yellow and you want to make it across before it turns red.
>>2055379>nice thingsUseless vanity projects that exist only for real estate developer memes aren't "nice" they're a pain in the ass.
>>2055459>roundabouts are much cheaper than lights, Arguably. Except when they don't work due to overcrowding and get traffic lights added.>better at slowing traffic and lowering collision ratesRoudabouts are nororious for collisions and really quite dangerous. Lethal for cyclists. >than lights or signs, and give better traffic flow than them too.They certainly do not with high traffic. They get channel capture and you get stuck. E.g. Simister Island or Boothferry Road/Ferriby Road A15/A63 junction which has been one long traffic jam since being built in the 1980s.>also they're funner if you're a sanic bike cycle rider or have a miataThat is another way to say dangerous and everyone in normal cars flying across all lanes without looking because the roundabout shouldn't be there, like the A682 New Hall Hey Road. Also a place with regular accidents.Roundabouts are complete shit and are only built to fulfil the demands of modern day Saturn worshippers who revel in destruction and require wheel symbolism. Which basically is any pre-Christian religion or cult.
>>2055463>traffic has remained the same because cagers can't cope with having limited space"Traffic congestion has doubled because of the evil motivations of those against private motor transport, who cloak their evil in lies about the evironment.
>>2055466Sounds like you just can't appreciate #mixeduse #endparkingminimums. Have you ever been to a cute cafe like they have in enlightened Europe? I have, because I went on vacation once. Everyone is stupid except me.
>>2055470>who cloak their evil in lies about the evironment.This is a pretty hilarious coming from someone who lives in the era of the automobile. Your ancestors used to walk around or ride on horseback because there were no such luxuries back then. But don't worry, when the fossil fuels inevitably get depleted, all the car dependent, and sprawling suburbs that were built over the past centuries will be abandoned and left to rot inevitably. So a State like Florida will become a ghost town
>>2055459>cheaper than lightsmaybe if you play sim city but every time a city in NA tries to put in a roundabout, it ends up being a ten billion dollar project regrading the area and wasting money on red tape to re-zone or buy the land or whatever. also i doubt it's caring about speed anyway because my city at least fucking loves JUG HANDLES and all the urban design is centered around cars never having a legality-only reason to stop ever. >>2055469>Roundabouts are complete shitroundabouts are good when you have roads converging at stupid angles, or more than 4 roads converging, especially odd numbers. arranging signalling for something like a 5 road intersection would be the worst Professor Layton puzzle. they have no place in town replacing 3/4 exit intersections where traffic is start-stop and pedestrians exist though. roundabouts are there to improve traffic flow and keep it constant, which is incompatible with the realities of city driving. roundabouts should only be on country roads>lethal for cycliststrue but most ive seen have bike paths separated from the actual roundabout. but that makes its own problems, because now the cyclist who was on the road has to cross a sidewalk and get mean looks (or run over a child) to get onto the side path around the exterior of the roundabout>>2055472>#endparkingminimumstheyre doing this in my city by provincial order and i do not know why. they say it's to make housing "easier" to build but it obviously doesn't and all the jeets they import fucking love cars so it would make it less attractive to move here than say, toronto or ottawa. not even memeing about "juggernaut theory" here. india has a bosozoku-like car scene and all the imported jeets lease Dodge Chargers and generally fucking love big boxy american cars
>>2055498They fail to realize if that housing is deep in the suburbs with no transit coverage no one will be able to live there but retirees with nothing to do
>>2055469wrong on all counts, do some readinghttps://www.iihs.org/research-areas/roundabouts#safety-benefits>modern day Saturn worshippers oh never mind, it's retarded
>>2055459you're forgetting that most drivers are too retarded to figure them out, these morons have trouble with a regular intersection imagine throwing in curves and the principle of using your judgement to determine whether to stop rather than dead simple red equals stop.they get even more confusing when you add more lanes too. never mind pedestrian crossings. there should be more underpasses for pedestrians 2bh.
>>2055553>there should be more underpasses for pedestrians 2bh.those get filled up with niggers, thugs, and bums quickly
>>2055554fine, overpasses then
>>2054448They probably only converted one road, and connected it to neither residential nor commercial destinations, so it's basically an inaccessible island>>2054449Cost of car ownership is gonna start skyrocketing with the current and future real wage decreases. This is how most people are gonna feel the pressure.Better get in shape now folks or that first month of biking to work is gonna suck!
>>2054449They aren't abandoning their vehicles for transit desu. The omly way car mode share decreases significantly is as if fossil fuels get depleted or a catastrophic event resets the technological progress of humanity back a thousand years
>>2055557And by then the population of humanity will likely contract 10 fold
>>2055479>when the fossil fuels inevitably get depletedtwo more millenia, anticar sisters, and we'll have to switch to coal liquefaction and seethe about it instead!
>>2055559Tnere is a reason why in all tne post apocalyptic movies people don't live in the burbs
>>2055560>all tne post apocalyptic movieslmao
>>2055557>fossil fuelsmeme buzzword invented by oil companies to pretend oil is something scarce and non-renewable despite this not being true for almost a century by now.
>>2055506>deep in the suburbs with no transit coverageWhat do you think suburbs are actually like? Remember that one picture of the suburbs in the desert? They built commercial development in front of it. And the main road has a bike lane. According to Google, no one is more than 21 minutes from the convenience store or the bar/restaurant (even closer) by foot. Oh yeah and the main road has a bike lane.
>>2055566>have to drive for 20 minutes just to get some snacks, or bike for an hour on a 90 degree road where i will definitely get hit by a carBASED
>>2055553people suck at it at first but after some time they adapt. I live in an area with a shitload of them and even though we have the most retarded drivers in the US, it's not too badthat said there are a couple I can think of that are a total shitshow at any hour because of the bizarre way they designed them
>>2055575>on foot>driveyou should be hit by a car, preferably a big and heavy one.
>>2055577roundabouts are cancer because they make navigating them absolute ass without a responsive navigator. trying to count turns while moving along the curved lane along with other cars and wondering if it's the right misery. meanwhile it's impossible to fuck up navigating an intersection, you either go straight, right or left and you can always check and plan it beforehand so you can actually pay attention to the road when you're in the middle of traffic rather that trying to find the right direction at speed.roundabouts need to be color coded according to the cardinal directions so you can put a compass on a dashboard and instantly know where to go.
>>2055575>"20 minutes by foot">driving
>>2055577Its le traffic calming curve :)
>>2055579>compass on a dashboardmotherfucker are you amish or something? who the fuck uses a compass while driving? you know we have GPS now right?
>>2055661Sorcery
