>>2055427
>300 million dollars for
I guess we're pretending Skyline in Hawaii doesn't exist, or every other failtrain in the United States?
>Despite it being claimed to be a rapid transit corridor the actual rapid part will only work during weekday rush hour only service so 6am to 9am and 3pm to 6pm
Oh, so when people actually ride mass transit and not just sending empty buses 24/7
>A new Park and Ride Garage with kiss and ride (Oh look honey let's have a moment at the public transit garage, it will be so romantic, we will be harassed, assaulted, and robbed by homeless bums who smell like they haven't washed their asscheeks in decades)
That's just a name for pick up/drop off without parking a car
>Completely unnecessary Island Platforms at grade with fare gates as if all the negras won't just get on the platform from the side
So it's a bad thing that they're putting in fare gates?
>Train gates with slow ass loading times that will back up traffic, and the retarded southflorida carbrains that don't know how ROW works will cause hit the buses, and get hit by them
The train gates are in addition to the stoplights, which seemed to have existed for years

>>2055427
>>2055436
>Ron DeCraptas will piss and shit his diapers once all of the retarded South Dade residents write complaints to the mayor about the failure railgates and he will ban rail-gates from the state and will say some dumb shit like this in the press conference "Train passengers will have to wait at the lights just like the rest of us do" and end up completely killing all non-grade separated train service in the state.
Concocting some elaborate fantasy with what everyone will say in it and then getting mad over that fantasy isn't healthy or normal
>But it's probably not going to get to that point because FDOT is planning to do an assessment in 6months to determine if the rail gates are worth keeping, defeating the whole purpose of even spending 100 million dollars, let alone 300 on the corridor
The 300 million is for conversion to a full BRT system. I bet if it was a $3B train system you wouldn't even bat an eye.

Why are transit projects so expensive in the US? For 300 mil you'd almost get a sizeable LRT system in most of Europe. It's like caltrain electrification, that cost over 2 Billion with a B ffs.

In any case busways are the literal niggers of public transportation so this project was doa anyway.

>>2055440
US is too big, an average American backyard is bigger than your typical European country.

>>2055436
The Hawaii Skyline when finally built will actually be useful 24/7. This is a shitty limited service that doesn't even operate at every hour, and will have the same service as before the "upgrades" for most of the week.
>Oh, so when people actually ride mass transit and not just sending empty buses 24/7
Your concept of the average work shift is outdated, most people are no strictly working 9 to 5's. So fuck the guy that has to start work at 1am or leave at 12am right? He has to wait 1 hour for a midnight service bus, if he misses the nearest one.
>So it's a bad thing that they're putting in fare gates?
It's kind of useless when your platform is at grade, you could use a tap on and off system. Then again if there are supposed to be security guards at each major stop enforcing fares idk. But I do know it's gonna be a shit show to actually enforce the fares when the platform is at grade.
>The 300 million is for conversion to a full BRT system. I bet if it was a $3B train system you wouldn't even bat an eye.
I would rather have seen that price tag, than get a watered down pseudo rapid transit system for the cost that could build a light rail system, or even prevent the fucking bus shortage or Commuter Rail expansion. They didn't even have to build all 20 miles. They could have just done 10 miles of heavy rail, and the other 10 for BRT.
If they were going to build this slop, they should have used that 300million to keep Tri-Rail funded, and their bus garages well supplied

>>2055440
>Why are transit projects so expensive in the US?
We have too many regulations, and a higher stander of living, and higher wage expectations. On top of that, there is no way to make construction crews work faster so they end up taking their sweat time so they can get more paychecks the longer they delay their work.
Because the average American immigrant including the multi-generation European ones who aren't even Anglos have collectively convinced themselves that America is one big market place so everybody is out to see who can outjew each other.
Construction Workers who think they are entitled to 50k a year, women who think they are entitled to white collar jobs that pay well, and worst of all land lord niggers who think everyone is making 50k+ a year while knowing full well most corporate companies will only hire mostly part time staff and aren't willing to pay them more than slightly above the local poverty line, if not literally below it.

>>2055442
>The Hawaii Skyline when finally built will actually be useful 24/7. This is a shitty limited service that doesn't even operate at every hour, and will have the same service as before the "upgrades" for most of the week.
just one more train bro, I promise people will ride it if you get more funding
>Your concept of the average work shift is outdated, most people are no strictly working 9 to 5's. So fuck the guy that has to start work at 1am or leave at 12am right? He has to wait 1 hour for a midnight service bus, if he misses the nearest one.
Transit advocates are always arguing about "efficiency" and cry about huge vehicles being mostly empty. It's not efficient to run empty trains or buses. Besides, all the world's "best" transit systems like Tokyo or Berlin don't run trains in the wee hours of the night.
>It's kind of useless when your platform is at grade, you could use a tap on and off system. Then again if there are supposed to be security guards at each major stop enforcing fares idk. But I do know it's gonna be a shit show to actually enforce the fares when the platform is at grade.
Your entire argument boils down to "why have any system, the darkies will just jump it anyway", not the fact the system runs at grade
>I would rather have seen that price tag
Yeah I figured

>>2055446
Dude, they decided to build the rural part of the line first. Once they get to the urban part that's where people will ride. The Train will attract developers to the area which is why they built it that way.
>Transit advocates are always arguing about "efficiency" and cry about huge vehicles being mostly empty. It's not efficient to run empty trains or buses. Besides, all the world's "best" transit systems like Tokyo or Berlin don't run trains in the wee hours of the night.
Transit ridership tends to be volatile. It's difficult to be efficient when ridership is unpredictable at times.
That's why when it comes to mass transit availability is better than profitability
>Oh, so when people actually ride mass transit and not just sending empty buses 24/7
Also the problem here isn't the frequency but the signal pre-emption won't work during those hours defeating the purpose of a rapid transit system in the first place

>>2055441
>implying that rural areas have any relavance regarding construction of transit lines in urban areas

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>>2055447
>Transit ridership tends to be volatile
Can't argue with that

>>2055442
>The Hawaii Skyline when finally built will actually be useful
/n/igga what? That shit goes from the airport to nowhere, you think people are just gonna hop on that thing to go joyriding?

>>2055447
>they decided to build the rural part of the line first.
Well that was dumb. Why not build a more useful bit first? Why would people in ONE suburb ride that line to nowhere?
>Once they get to the urban part that's where people will ride.
Dubious claim, unless you mean bums
>The Train will attract developers to the area
The ABSOLUTE LAST thing Honolulu needs is MORE development. The whole point of Hawaii is its remote natural beauty, not cramming even more glass towers in and pricing natives out even further.

>>2055467
>>2055468
>Still not realizing that South Dade Corridor has nothing to do with Skytrain
Retards. The difference between the Skytrain and the South Dade corridor is that there is actually development in the later.
The concurrent Metrorail line has stations with density just as low as some stations on the Southdade Corridor.
That corridor is actually already used by many riders, and would benefit from a form of rapid transit that Actually has ROW.
The Skytrain is apple's to orange's
They spent 300 million dollars for a rapid transit service that isn't even going to be used outside of peak hours.
Even ignoring the frequency decreases, this shit will be effectively the same service for majority of riders outside of those hours. Believe me there are plenty of people who ride outside of those hours

>>2055499
>But, But you need to have ridership to prove that you need rail service
Shut the fuck up. The north corridor is getting a metrorail line and the busline that services that corridor gets around 200k boarders a month in total for the entire line, and the north corridor only covers half of the 27's route.
If they are willing to build Metrorail for the north corridor they could have at least built metrorail up to Southland Mall/SW 211th St, that area is actually more built up than the rest of the south dade corridor.
I hope the Busway fails and FDOT cancels the shitty gay railroad gates for buses shit, so everyone can see how retarded Dade County really is

>>2055500
Example Dadeland South and North have just as much population density as the lines on the south dade corridor yet they are are the 3rd and 4th most used metrorail stations.

anything that inconveniences the covid transplant new yorkers in SUVs that make US-1 a nightmare 24/7 is a win in my book. Anything south of coral gables should be made unlivable

>>2055517
>Anything South of Coral Gables should be made unlivable
Based. Rvturn South Dade to agricultural farmland

>>2055427
>This is literally the biggest waste of tax payer money ever.
Boston's Big Dig sees your claim and laughs.

>>2055548
DESU all those tiny parks in the middle of arterials does seem kind of useless

>>2055441
>build a normal transit system in a normal sized city
>"MURRICA SO BEEG"
holy shit you absolute NPC

>>2055548
The only problem with the big dig is that it was done 20 years late
If you want to talk about waste, the bay area is the goat. See: golden gate suicide net project

>>2055503
something tells me there's something other than population density driving ridership at dadeland north and south...
next thing you'll be proposing an twin cities blue line extension past mall of america station because the adjacent areas have just as much population density lmao

>>2055603
Well Dadeland South and North are major transit terminals for South Dade, and West Dade Residents which is feed by quite a few bus routes.
Also North has a Big Park and Ride Garage. Like really big, it has like 3,000 parking spots

>>2055604
sort of. they're also the terminal stations (plural because they're very close to one another), so everyone from kendall/pinecrest/palmetto bay who takes the metrorail takes it from dadeland

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>>2055605
I will say this, at least the Southland Mall area, IMO has the density to support at least on metro train stop

>>2055453
>OMG look at that feral crackhead negro
Obsessed. And no that's not what I mean.
Ridership is volatile because not everyone uses it at the same time. You can send a bunch of buses at "peak" hours and hardly anyone uses them, and in the afternoon a bunch of people demand to ride the bus.
Or sometimes it's vice versa, but no you cannot predict when and where people are going to go

>>2055707
Pic related was national news for like, a week, and transit advocates refuse to address that incidents like that, or close calls, are why there's less voluntary riders on transit.

Besides, your argument about how you cannot predict when and where people are going to go supports the idea of more and bigger freeways, since that's what the private automobile excels at.

>>2055710
>freeways
Come at the cost of demolishing way more property than a single metroline would, which the government isn't even willing to do for a metro train.
How many times do we need to destroy neighborhoods and create more homeless people to expand shitways?
How much more commercial/residential space we need to waste on parking lots.
Expressways take up way too much land

>>2055711
And again take the useless bridge they are building/expanding in Downtown Miami.
All of that money being used to expand an already existing freeway corridor when argueably there are other parts of Miami that are in a much bigger need of am entirely new freeway.
Even playing your arguement doesn't make sense because spending millions of dollars on freeway upgrades while neglecting other underserviced areas doesn't make sense

>>2055548
>Second Avenue Subway has entered the chat