As you guys may know, theres now huge subsidies coming from the WEF or the EU to remove car traffic from city areasits a bit sad because some of these towns and cities used to have extremelly walkable main streets in the early 20th century, beautiful cobblestone pavements, etc, and it was all removed for cheap asphalt when cars became the thing. Now the pedestrian pavement is often just cheap concrete or modern materials imitating older cobblestone. You even see some retarded mayors destroying an entire 19th century park to replace it with concrete and fake grass and it just breaks my soul. How can we conserve and preserve true traditional urban planning and 19th century walkable standards?
>>2057079>WEFwhat nice and trustworthy people to rely on
>>2057079These are intended to be open-air prisons. No one gets in or out without permission.
France, Paris is Based for the switch to bicycle infraI'm American
>>2057081wow this must be pure hell desu
>>2057088looks American, the opposite of WEF vision.
The only times I've been to Yurop and not rented a cage was when I was there for work and I never planned on leaving the glittering inner city. You really need a cage to get anywhere useful. Sure HSR can help if you literally just need to get from Paris to Lyon but otherwise the transportation is slow, sparse, and inconvenient.
>>2057081yess yesss we at the Democratic Citizens for Car Freedom advocacy group, generously supported by Ford-VolksWagen-Audi-Shell-BP inc. and the Saudi monarchy, support this message. They want to trap you in one mode of transportation that makes you subservient and economically dependent to their interests, how evil, hahaha yes.
>>2057095Being able to travel and choice over the means is a good thing. If people want total car exclusion and dependency on public transport, or needing permission to leave your area, they will choose it.Revealed preferences are that they don't want that and don't want to be hemmed in. They also want liquid fueled vehicles. That doesn't have anything to do with conspiracy theories about car makers or oil companies. It is ordinary consumer preference.
>>2057097I live in a Dutch city vastly more radically anti-car than all current 'walkable city' projects you think are an evil plan to become open air prisons. People are still free, people can still drive cars outside of the city center. The vast majority prefer driving bikes once the infrastructure is there for it.
>>2057099>The vast majority prefer driving bikes once cars are banned and car infrastructure destroyedftfy
european cities are made for driving into on the weekend with your wifeget this communist bug prison bullshit outta here
>>2057088thats literally one of the most american pictures ever, its literally a drive through and you dont see a single part of the ground thats meant for pedestrians there, they just made it look sorta mediterranean>>2057118i would say that once you reach certain population density, cars just become borderline useless because you just dont have space to allow people to use themtheres nothing commie about the logical choice to make a city center pedestrian only, you actually give more activity to stores on the street because you dont actually have to purposefully park on an specific parking lot, you're just on a leisure walk and can pick any store which is comfy and gives you more choices and ideas for buying stuff, stopping for coffee or whatever
>>2057124would you daily use your car in new york
>>2057118The cage is how they debt slave you into a perpetual string of debt from cage to cage. You can't be free if you have debt, that's how they enslave you
>>2057182>can't afford a few grand without debtcyclists, everyone
>>2057182>poor fag That's a you problem.
>>2057088I'm American and without further details I would assume that picture was Miami or at least somewhere in Florida.
>>2057099I always found it interesting that "having public transit options is about choice!" crowd won't ever advocate for a comprehensive freeway system in cities that lack one.
>>2057487cities are for people to live in, not for highways to cross throughthe logical thing to do is to have the freeways/highways surround the city, why would you waste away the most valuable, densely populated land of the city for a highway? you use the outskirts and build a ring or something of the likes, so that you can travel to opposite sides of the city actually faster by surrounding it with light traffic at a normal high way speed rather than driving through the center in dense traffic in a "highway" thats completelly filled with slow cars
>>2057097>It is ordinary consumer preference.Well then that should be stopped
>>2057488Building freeways/highways through the city is most effective. Cope with your poor fag unable to afford a car ass.
I've been noticing more and more t/o/urists coming to /n/ to shill for cages or shit up the threads with troll posts. Still not taking your bait. Please stop spewing fumes, noise, and microplastics into my local park. That would be greatly appreciated.
>>2057509>I can't handle criticism>This is clearly another board's faultBoring. No one from /o/ posts here to fuck with you. Come up with something new
>>2057488>cities are for people to live in, not for highways to cross throughHighways are infrastructure, it's used to get around and transport goods and services. There's no prize in seeing who can cram the most warm bodies into a 1km*1km space.>why would you waste away the most valuable, densely populated land of the city for a highway?One of the reasons why downtown land is so valuable is that it is easily accessible. I don't buy the "wasting valuable real estate space" argument because especially in Europe railways go straight through the middle of the city (and are as wide as freeways anyway), and still contribute to the center of town being highly valuable land-wise. Frankly the land value argument doesn't really work because what usually ends up happening is the land becomes so valuable literally nothing but a skyscraper is worth building on it, so it just stays a parking lot.>you use the outskirts and build a ring or something of the likesThe outskirts are going to be a moving target anyway.>so that you can travel to opposite sides of the city actually faster by surrounding it with light traffic at a normal high way speed rather than driving through the center in dense traffic in a "highway" thats completelly filled with slow carsThe inside highway is usually for commuters and local traffic. One of the reasons why the inner highways are so slow is lots of people entering and exiting, and even then that only happens during peak hours.
>>2057514>There's no prize in seeing who can cram the most warm bodies into a 1km*1km space.those warm bodies are already living in the city, you're cramming them further if you give up most of the streets for carsThe city streets are for citizens to use, not a pass-through for driversThats why tokyo has really good quality of life and access to amenities while LA is suffering extreme urban sprawlZoning laws in USA also make basic ammenities require a 10-30 minute drive whereas in most of europe and asia its a 5 minute walk if even that long
>>2057515You don't live in the US, how would you know how things are here?
>>2057516i watched enough youtube videos to know
>>2057094>You really need a cage to get anywhere useful.Menteur menteur menteur. Kill yourself.
>>2057123>Yes, the Esplanade Lake Club is designed to be a walkable community, with internal walking trails and the ability to walk to its own amenities like the clubhouse, restaurant, and sports courts. It is also located near other walkable areas for shopping and dining, such as the Gulf Coast Town Center.
>>2057521>>2057515>i watched enough youtube to knowI have never seen a "urbanist" video that wasn't full of shit, every single one of them has some egregious flaw that wasn't discussed or outright lies and I can prove it>make basic ammenities require a 10-30 minute driveThis is completely invented horseshit but Europeans and shut-ins fall for it every time
>>2057534Fuck off Shlomo.
>>2057521Clearly you haven't.>>2057515>Zoning laws in USA also make basic amenities require a 10-30 minute driveThis one is mostly a myth. You can tell a complete retard the minute he starts drooling on about "zoning" being the reason for America's car-centric infrastructure. The average distance from a grocery store is like 3-4 miles(<10 minutes), and that number is inflated by people who choose live far away on purpose (or they live on a farm). Non-Americans accustomed to smelling their neighbors' farts from their living room and walking to get groceries 4+ times per week experience culture shock trying to do the same thing in the US, but "10-30 minute drive for basic shit" is an exaggeration. If you live 30 minutes from groceries it's because you chose to live someplace very rural.>Tokyo vs LALA is suffering from extreme mismanagement and illegal immigration. LA's uniquely fucked car-centric design is the least of its problems right now.
https://youtu.be/shtn5ODPmQEhttps://youtu.be/W2nB0zchM4I
>>2057577Buy an ad shithead
>>2057578Ladbrokes. We keep you broke, lad.
WEF/ EU subsidies?1234567890-% they're trying to make it so that the insurance payout actually covers rebui;d cost
>>2057577If your voice is that retarded-sounding you shouldn't make YouTube videos. Not talking about the Scottish guy I'm suppose that's comprehensible to other Scots. Talking about the drooling Chink.
>>2057577with that second video, it wasn't until about the past 10 years (i'm 28 now) that i realised that i was living in the exact same type of neighbourhood: newly built out in the city fringes over what used to be countryside, most of the lots around my house were empty, never saw a single soul walking around, boring and lonely. it wasn't until i started thinking in the past few years about old video games that i used to play in my bedroom in the mid to late 2000s that i remembered that my mum always used to ask me while i was playing "why don't you go to the park?" in which i would respond "ok", then put my shoes on and walk the 150 seconds in a straight line - as there were no houses - to the large but barren park with about 6 small trees planted, swing on the swings by myself and ride down the weird slide which didn't have side walls for some reason and i'd get bored in about 20 minutes and go home. i don't think i ever saw anybody at that park ever in the 4 or so years that i lived therethat neighbourhood helped greatly in forming my opinions on urbanism later in my life but i never realised it until recently
>>2057613>I had no friends growing up>obviously this was the fault of city planners and no other reason
>>2057618i had to move schools because i moved to that neighbourhood and my old friends were too far away to visit regularlyit took quite a while for me to make new friends at school because i became more withdrawn and maybe even a little depressed after the move
>>2057516I don't live in or have ever been to India and yet I know it's loud and stinks and is full of trash and shit, funny how that works. Almost like there is some sort of information superhighway where you can find out stuff about places without physically having to go there.
>>2057625Interesting thought but you're still wrong about the US, foreigner
>>2057550>The average distance from a grocery store is like 3-4 miles(<10 minutes)...by car...
>>2057577>>2057613i had the same issue iwth lack of socializing and playing but because my father was extremelly controlling and thought it "wasnt good to be in the streets" so i barely socialized or played at all with any children and spent most of my childhood locked at home, alone, which heavily impacted my social skills and i will probably never be able to connect socially with other people in a normal way thanks to that bullshit
>>2057630
The land around an urban-crossing freeway is a fucking blighted zone. A bunch of graffiti-ed concrete, storage shacks with dodgy construction permits, derelict cars and hobos. The most valuable land in that city looks like the gypsy slum at the edge of a Romanian town.
>>2057627You haven't even been to every state in the US, what would you know about life there
>>2057629That's actual supermarkets, not convenience store/food marts. Those can be found just about anywhere. Even in the sprawling, master-planned communities it's a 15-minute walk by foot.
>>2057629>...by car...Yes, moron, that's what I said. I'm not disputing that most of the US has car-centric infrastructure.I even emphasized this in the post, which you were too lazy or illiterate to finish. The tard I was responding to was claiming 10-30 minutes by car, implying an average of a 20 minute drive for basic necessities. That is just a ridiculous and not at all what it's actually like.>>2057625Why don't we play a game where we drop a random streetview pin somewhere in the United States and India and see what comes up.
>>2057849Why does that suburban street need to be 4 lanes wide when judging by the tar snakes they can barely afford to maintain it properly?
>>2057851>4 lanes wideForeigner can't even count
>>2057191NTA but the world is changing in ways that I like and you hate, sounds like the only one with a problem is you.
>>2057630Well, I grew up running through the gardens and parks until our parents were calling like an hour after sunset with a group of about 14 neighbourhood kids. I still turned out akward because most people today just don't operate socially like our little gang back then.
>>2057852Only 3 lanes in America because your cars are so fat
>>2057856>t. poor Enjoy getting stabbed on the cattle cart.
It's not an issue of europe vs the states, I find it hard to choose between rural and city living in general.
