has anybody noticed how east asia completely kills every other place when it comes to urban planning and public transportation? why is this?
high population density + no niggers + late (relatively) to modernize compared to Europe.
>>2059702Because they don't build their cities around the car
has anyone noticed how shit for brains zoomlets have the worst takes on every topic imaginable?
>>2059706most ironic post in the thread award
>>2059702Japan and Korea are both space-constrained and freshly rebuilt in mid-20th century, they needed efficient transport so they got to develop the most efficient transport out there. China doesn't have much in terms of space constraints but they do have a need for rapid, constant and efficient expansion, and they have learned from japs, koreans and soviets all at once so there is a resemblance to these systems too.
>>2059702*laughs in Switzerland*
>>2059702>>2059712My hot take is that bad urbanism is weirdly specific to the Anglosphere.
>>2059704/thread
>>2059704They also didn't bulldoze their cities for the car.
>>2059718Should I remind you that United States of America used to have the most extensive rail network in the world just 100 years ago?
>>2059722>You don't live in the timeline where every Midwestern city has electrified suburban rail
>>2059702No i haven't.
>>2059732I wonder how much of that is due to Chinese autism around residency permits.
>>2059704>>2059720lollmao even
>>2059734its due to china having the densest cities on earth and making almost 0 accomdation for the comfort of people. Move to Chongching for a 4hr daily car commute
>>2059732>we don't need trains because we have low density>we have low commute times because our great traffic management not because our low densityturd.
>>2059739>>we don't need trains because we have low densitySounds like a solution tbqh.
>>2059738>be Wangdang Nipnong from the city of Chingchong, friends with Ding Dong and Bin Bong
>>2059737Sure, they built highways. But in many places they didn't destroy all the alternatives as a result. Also many of these highways go around the cities, not directly through them.
>>2059742Moving goalposts.
>>2059740When your country and your cities are more than a few days old they sometimes tend to develop certain urban density. This may be exacerbated due to geographical factors. But I wouldn't expect you to understand complex concepts like this.
>>2059702Loosely, a cultural willingness to endure hardship.Rebuild in 1945 also a big factor.
>>2059702It really isn't when you go outside of the obvious richer cities.>go to Kunming>8 million inhabitants + surroundings>6 metro lines
>>2059770This is the kind of exceptionally retarded post you can only find in internet urbanism discussions. Complete failure to understand both geography and human biomechanics.
>>2059708The photo with the cars is from East Asia you mong, probably that 50-lane-wide tollbooth you sometimes see photos of.
>>2059742I don't understand what this is showing, western cities also have sidewalks and bus routes.
>>2059722i often wonder what the cause behind this was
>>2059800hey now let's not let facts get in the way of zoomlet delusions
>>2059799Cope, seethe, dilate. Also not an argument.
>>2059814>He thinks he deserves an argumentHow many square centimeters of living space do you own?
>>2059718it is bizarre, isn't it?
>>2059770>When your country and your cities are more than a few days oldSo... not east asian countries' cities?
>>2059738chinese cities aren't dense, if anything they are really spread out.
>>2059847Population density
Holy shit fucking retard niggers KYS
>>2059702because most of their cities were built recently because they either got blown up by america, japan or themselves
>>2059870they really aren't. The perspective is skewed because they call a region the size of austria a city so every city is million plus in population and they built endless high-rises mostly because of real estate speculation desu.
>>2059722Yeah but the rails weren't able to deliver goods to their final destinations like trucks can today, that's the real reason for the switch. We still use lots of rails for things, over 80% of goods are shipped by rail at some point during their delivery process.
>>2059887>they really aren't.They really fucking are, moron.>>2059887>The perspective is skewed because they callIt does not matter what they call anything. Picrel has no borders whatsoever. It's just a population density heat map of China (and the US, which is included only incidentally because I don't feel like making a new one.)
>>2059970NTA; my understanding is that the rural Chinese small farmer is on its way out. The American small farmer died out during the farm crisis of the 80s and 90s, which explains the lack of density in American rural areas.
>>2059971>The American small farmer died out during the farm crisis of the 80s and 90s, which explains the lack of density in American rural areas.This isn't the explanation.First, lower density in the US isn't limited to rural areas. The cities themselves are far less dense than pretty much anywhere else in the world (especially East Asia). NY City is the only truly dense city in the US, and a few others are somewhat dense (Boston metro, San Francisco). Urbanists like to claim the US is "densifying" as they flood 3rd worlders into the country, waging soft war on China's behalf, but it's nothing like Asia.Second, the effect you describe, while true, isn't large enough to really show up on that particular map. Relative to the rest of the world the US has ALWAYS been less dense.The truth is that the US has just, historically, had an enormous amount of valuable and habitable land relative to its population size and technological power level. Americans had plenty of room to spread out everywhere east of the 100th meridian, where the Chinese (along with most of East Asia) did not, with substantial populations crammed into much smaller geographical areas. In 1850, there were some 400+ million people in China already, vs 20-25 million in the United States.The most substantial migrations in the US in the last 100 years have been from the denser Northern cities and the "Rust Belt" into the south and "Sun Belt." Contrast Buffalo, NY with Phoenix, AZ. This was also coupled with growth of suburbs, so some cities proper may have seen stagnant or declining populations even as their metro areas as a whole were booming. Again this is due to the ease of expanding outward in most of the US. Places like Dallas, TX or Atlanta, GA aren't hemmed in by any major geographical features (mountains, oceans, deserts) and can grow in 360 degrees. It's usually easier, cheaper and more desired to build out rather than build up, and it's been that way for a very long time.
>>2059720Nobody did, unless you think that clearing a handful out of thousands of blocks for a few freeways is "bulldozing the city".
>>2059722Almost all of those lines are still in use today except for redundant lines and spurs to random flyover towns anymore.
